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earlier today head of "operation warp speed" detailed the plan. >> within the next 24 hours they will begin moving vaccine from the pfizer manufacturing facility to the u.p.s. and fedex hubs. and then it will go out to the 636 locations nationwide. we expect 145 sites across all the states to receive vaccine on monday. another 425 sites on tuesday, and the final 66 sites on wednesday. >> this major step comes as more than 296,000 americans have died from covid. more than the number of americans who died on the battle field during the four years of world war ii. just this week the united states passed a record 3,000 deaths per day. this comes as coronavirus relief talks stalled on capitol hill with next week's deadline inches closer.
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democratic congresswoman pressley slamming republicans over negotiations earlier on msnbc's "cross connection." >> majority of the house never lost sight of what's most important and that is mitigating this hurt and meeting the scale and scope of this crisis. these are not people we can negotiate with in good faith and they have been the obstructionist at every term prioritizing profit over people. >> more to share. president trump supporters rallying in d.c. trying to back his efforts to overturn election results. the president performing a flyover in marine one just in this last hour. today's rally comes at the president's legal battle is dealt a major and fatal blow. the u.s. supreme court rejected a lawsuit supported by 126 congress' republicans seeking to overturn joe biden's victory and the president lashing out at the supreme court this morning. the president also raging against attorney general bill
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barr. president trump alluding to the possibility of firing the nation's top law enforcement officer. we've got reporters across the country with more on the next steps for the vaccine. cori coffin in memphis and portage, michigan and chris jansing from tampa. ladies, welcome. start with you at the headquarters there in portage, michigan. what is pfizer doing to prepare for the rollout? got to be all hands on deck now? >> reporter: yes, and packing and loading boxes right now inside this plant. a huge part of this process is making sure that the doses of the vaccine are properly packaged so they can be stored, in fact, at the necessary subzero containers. after that we expect to start seeing trucks moving, leaving behind the loading dock just over my shoulder to be distributed to all 50 states. the distribution centers that it will go to from this plant are in memphis and louisville. we expect fedex to handle
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distribution for most of the states west of the mississippi. u.p.s. to handle it for most of those to the east. the head of "operation warp speed" said thated by monday morning, pfizer shipments arrive in 45 states. another 425 sites will receive the shipment tuesday and 66 sites receive shipment on wednesday. the u.s. government has allocated 6.4 million doses of this vaccine to each state, and u.s. territory, based on the size of their adult population. all of that is not going to leer leave the plant immediately. first shipment 2.9 million vaccines. holding back another 2.9 million, remember, this is a vaccine you need two doses. three weeks later. so 2.9 million will leave kind of in this cording to the head of
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"operation warp speed" and all should be out in all the states come wednesday. there were questions here in the last 24 hours about whether or not the fda's decision to give this pfizer vaccine the emergency use authorization. if it had anything to do with politics. reports that the fda commissioner dr. stephen hahn was threatened by the white house if he did not release the vaccine and move ahead with it by end of yesterday evening that he would no longer have a job. the fda commissioner, dr. hahn, adamantly denied that reporting saying it was a misrepresentation of that conversation and this morning he tried to make it clear that politic was not involved in the fda's decision to approve and temporarily authorize this vaccine. listen here. >> science and data guided the fda's decision. we worked quickly base and the urgency of this pandemic, not because of any other external pressure. this decision was based on the
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strongest scientific integrity and i am so proud of the work that our career scientists have done. >> reporter: keeping an eye on these loading docks here and let you know soon as we see any sort of truck movement. >> okay. thank you for all that in that report. move from michigan to florida where a jthere are jam-packed hospitals waiting for the vaccine. chris jansing, tampa general one of five to receive the vaccine? planning for it for ages. >> reporter: that's right. >> what's the plan to distribute it? >> reporter: yes. got the freezers ready. got the. e! s ppe, syringes and people as well and now neated vaccine that could come early as monday. depending when they get it, could give the first shots on monday. now, a little bit of an as tr g
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stri asterisk. less than asked for. population of 21.5 million, a very slow rollout. you said one of five hospitals. who's going to get them first? robe frontline workers. not just nurses and doctors. janitorial staff, anybody who works in close contact with a covid unit or covid patients will get it. we talked a little last hour, alex, about newasenthusiasm. there's a lot here. the stay seeing highest number of cases since july and also a little bit of reticence. people who wonder if it's tested enough. take a look at a survey don at a miami hospital. everybody who works there, about half the people responded. just under half said they would be willing to get this vaccine in the first round. 36% said they want to wait a little bit. maybe see what the side effects
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are. 15% questioned whether they would ever be willing to get it at all. a lot of folks blame mixed messaging. government saying one thing. medical professionals saying another. i talked to an infectious disease expert here at tampa general. she knows they have convincing to do. take a listen. >> so there's a lot of anxiety and uncertainty. but there's also been a tremendous amount of progress. so i think if we answer people's questions, if we inform them about what's going on, i think it will be okay. i mean, you also have to understand, all of us are tired of this, and i think if people sort of say, well, my chance of going back to a reasonable normal life in six months is that much higher bauer i ta eer a vaccine, it becomes worth it. >> reporter: look, this has been a long slog for everybody, not like it has been for people who
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work here and who work in nursing homes. at hospitals in this county, the icu beds are 87% full. they're nearing capacity. this vaccine can't come soon enough for them. speaking of nursing homes, less than 2% of the population live in nursing homes or long-term care facilities here in florida. but 40% of the deaths have come with patients and with people who work there. i talked to a group of folk whose do work at nursing homes here in florida. and they expressed concern about this as well. the truth of the matter is, alex, it's not just here in florida. it's everywhere. far more people want the vaccine in this first round than will be available, and there will be some time for people to take a look, see how the rollout is going, before they actually even have the opportunity to take the vaccine, alex. >> that's good. sway some of the concerns of those who wand to stand by and
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way. go from florida to tennessee. fedex and u.p.s. teaming up to ship millions of the doses across the country. going to memphis. msnbc's cori coffin is on the ground there outside of the fedex global headquarters there. what's the plan? trucks, planes the like, have to have, cori, really cold freezers to transport these vaccines safely? >> reporter: yeah. so really cold technology. subzero technology, alex, and several lay toeers to that. refrigerators of specific to this vaccine. was "knowe know harks to be kep 94 degrees. refrigerated trucks and each of the vax un paen vaccine package ice and a container within its
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own. they will ship it out priority overnight and immediately after that point. of course that historic teamup between fedex and u.p.s. each company has years of experience doing something like this. distributing vaccines. never on a massive scale like this. fedex takes the west. u.p.s. the east, goes to their hub in louisville before they distribute on the east coast. just a little bit ago we heard from the coo of "operation warp speed" about his timeline. he says he thinks that with this vaccine obviously talked about wednesday. all facilities across the nation having a little bit. he thinks by first of the year, all facilities across the country will have fluff for this fir enough for the first round of prioritized people who need the vaccine. listen to what he said. >> our goal ultimately, to make sure that we can deliver to all providers as the states identify. as a matter of fact, i took a briefing this morning on the
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plan to achieve that, and we think as early as of about three weeks from now we can be delivering vaccines to all providers as directed by the states. for example, to the local pharmacies as they would like. >> reporter: all right. so the ramp-up has to be, it's going to take a while. several months but has to be as quickly as possible for both pfizer and ma dern todermoderna. we have to get doses to 660 million right now and to get the once already distributed, fedex and u.p.s. are using tags like this monitoring every step of the process and even the u.s. marshals are providing security along the routes. >> yeah. okay. cori coffin, thank you for those details. joining me, msnbc medical contributor dr. patel. welcome. before we get to details on the vaccine, reportedly there are no
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isu beds left in the state of mississippi as the coronavirus cases hit the record high there's. dr. patel, it's extraordinary. is this situation happening often now? >> it's unfortunately becoming a pattern, alex, and even more disturbing is, where do these patients go? if you don't have icu beds, it's not as if doctors and nurses can turn off care? you're seeing icu-level care done in emergency rooms in hallways of regular in-patient wards. goodness, these are staff literally breaking their backs to give the best care possible, but are begging for help. i think the help is coming down the road for people in the form of a vaccine, but, alex, we've got to do everything possible to give these health care workers just the ability to just take care of the people they have, and not continue to hospitalize people at these record rates. >> curious of expectations for the coming months as the vaccine is distributed across the
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country. how many people in these prioritized groups will get their physical dose say by end of this week? >> by end of this week i do think it's going to be a fraction of that total dose that's coming out. 2 2.9 million in that first batch and i've canvassed. many hospitals that get it this week, alex, probably in some of the key states affected the most. new york, florida, texas, california. but then parts of the country are not getting some of their vaccines shipments and have been told by the states it might be next week or the general's point we just heard in two to three weeks. if i had to kind of take, say probably anywhere from 25% to 30% by end of this week and so on. 30% the following, 30% the following. by end of three weeks, though, we expect those 2.9 million doses to be in people's arms in
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some form or fashion. health care workers at high risk for getting covid. nursing home residents or nursing home workers. >> okay. a two-shot deal. two-shot vaccine. this first dose provides at least some protection. right? i mean, to what extent, how quickly could we see cases start to drop after just one vaxen asian? vash vaccination. >> three million doses out in three weeks. not expect cases to drop until we get to a certain he of immunity. think about the virus as coming through like a speeding bullet train and we're putting up a stronger wall to stop that bullet train, but it's going to take a while to build that wall. having these doses out there is critical, but it is not going to get us through the holiday season, where you heard now mai talking about dark numbers
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continuing. 3,000 deaths, alex, maybe even more. we will finally start to see relief in what we call herd immunity when we see about 70% of the population. i expect, alex, some mortality rates from nursing homes to start to dedecline. you heard nursing home residents, 2% of the population but make up 40% of covid deaths. i hope these shots make a difference in that statistic. >> look, double, though, everything, when you consider this, because you do have to have two shots to have the full implementation of the vaccine. right? so after the first shot, how protected are you? is it zero percent? do you have to have the second shot to give you any sort of immunity? is it 50%? do you have a sense of that? >> yes. data did, fortunately, all had a chance now to look at every aspect of this data from the pfizer vaccine. you are right, alex. after the first shot, about 10
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to 12 days after the first shot we start to see immunity present in people who received the first injecti injection. it's up to about 52% risk reduction compared to people who did not get the vaccine getting mild, moderate or severe covid. to be clear, the vaccine does not stop you from getting covid but reduces risk if and when you get you reduce the risk of getting hospitalized or having mild, moderate covid from it. some protection. the 95% numbers we've talked about and really excited about you need that second shot 21 days from the first one. yes, you do get some immunity after the first one. >> you have heard heard predominantly after the second shot is when people will have some adverse effects. are you at all concerned there there be folk whose say, look, i got the first shot. i'm just going to cut out of getting the second shot. what does that mean for the herd
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immunity? >> absolutely. number one, it has just a downstream effect if more and more people do not complete the two doses. then we're not necessarily going to achieve the herd immunity to the degree we would like. give you an analogy. we get a flu shot every year, supposed to get a flu shot every year. and that has a variable efficacy. anywhere from 40% to 60%. a certain number of people if they don't get the shots at its fullest and during the peaks we still see a lot of hospitalizations, a lot of cases and unfortunately deaths. same thing can happen if we do not complete the full course of the covid vaccine. but to your point, alex, to be clear. i want feel ask the questions you're asking about side effects and most of the common side effects even after the first or usually the second injection is local soreness in the arm, some fatigue, and some people have had low-grade fevers. source,
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of course, seems a lot like covid. talk to your doctor and fwhaunu what you're sensing and feeling. good news, tense of thousands of health care workers going through this first wave and watching them like a hawk to understand what's happening and how to learn from this and what we can do to be much more transbhartran transparent what we know with all patients. >> very good advice to ask questions of their doctors. i'll keep having you on to ask these questions to reach our audience and face fears and answer questions as well. thank you. as more mothan half the republicans back the president, what it means to try to unify this country. this country. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ here.
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starting tomorrow, join jonathan capehart as he cuts through political noise with compelling inpoints to help you understand what matters.
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watch "the sunday show" with jonathan capehart premieres tomorrow right here on msnbc. and the justices voted unanimously friday to toss out a texas lawsuit aimed at overturning ballot results in four battleground states. we go to josh letterman in washington for us. the question has to be asked, josh, is this the end of the road for the president? >> reporter: one would certainly think so, alex, given the electoral college is set to meet just 48 hours to cast their votes for the next president-elect. that is not the case. the president's legal team vowing they are going to continue with this as more and more republicans start to look at a different major date on the timeline. that's january 6th when congress will actually vote on whether to accept the votes from the electoral college. it would take an extraordinary intervention after the electoral college has certified winner of this election for the results to
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be upended. rudy guiliani, the president's attorney, was on television this morning saying they have a lot more lawsuits they intend to file. take a listen to what he said about the path ahead. >> what's next now is to take each one of those complaints that were against different states to break them down into individuals complaints and over the next two days bring them in those states where we would have standing. basically take advice of the supreme court. the supreme court says i think incorrectly the state of texas doesn't have standing. certainly the president of the united states has standing. >> reporter: there isn't barely anyone around the president at this point that believes any of these long-shot legal challenges actually stand a chance preventing president-elect joe biden from taking office in january. instead, this effort seems to be more at this point about trying to continue to stoke the sense of grievance, fuel the false narrative that president-elect joe biden will not be a legitimate president and help
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the president retain his grip on the republican party. a grip that judging from the thousands of trump supporters who are taking to the streets just outside the white house as we speak, alex, that grip remains incredibly strong. >> yeah. i did have a question to ask you about the proud boys tour you alluded to. it's so loud there with the gardener and whatever's being done on the lawn. hold that for next hour and get more details. is it still under way? you'll let me know. thank you. with me, kim letterly atkins from the "boston globe" and and msnbc contributor. we heard josh talking about the proud boys touring the white house, we know what's under way, a rally for the president that's ongoing. how do you interpret this form of resistance to the acceptance of the election results? how is this going to evolve as
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we move towards inauguration day and in the immediate days following? >> the president made clear in everything he's said and done he does not intend to let this go. i remember some republicans saying in the beginning they would be willing to give him room to vent essentially until this upcoming monday when the electors meet to cast their votes, as if that would be a cooling-off period, but the president had no intent on cooling off. if reports are correct, he will launch a re-election bid and everything about his election in the first place and his campaign has been stoking this sort of grievance, this grievance on his part and on the part of his supporters that he is wrong that he is under attack, that there is a deep state after him, that the democrats are the enemy, and the, his refusal to accept these election results plays right into this and the false claim that there was some sort of fraud in the election that joe
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biden did not win. joe biden did win, but the president is going to continue to fuel this grievance and he has plenty of supporters who are willing to back him in this well beyond his leaving the white house. >> kimberly, i asked my director barry to put up that shot again. freedom plaza. we see these, i'm not great at crowd estimates. a few thousand. right? the numbers seem to be dwindling in the public. i mean, there's a lot of space there. for more people to have tacked in to this particular demonstration. as we've mentioned, kimberly, there's no objection to this noted by any of the president's three hand-picked supreme court justices, in this decision to try to toss the bid to overturn election results. what's the message to the president? what is the message to those behind the lawsuit? and what is the message to those people that are standing out in the cold on freedom plaza? >> yeah. you know, alex, this goes back to, remember in 2013 when the
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republicans dan autopsy after the loss of the 2012 election? and trying to figure out what to do. they made clear that they have to expand. they have to reach out to more voters, to hispanic voters black voters to the women for the party not to shrink itself into oblivion. what's happened under president trump is the opposite. president trump is messaging to these type of folks standing out there now and shrinking the party, making it more trump i whatever the false claim in, that they're the winners and trying to suppress the votes of those in mostly black districts to reclaim and hold on to their power. they know they are shrinking. only way to win, suppress votes.
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what each of these lawsuits is about. that appears to be the new tactic of the republican party. not sustainable. if you believe in the rule of law. as was shown by yesterday's supreme court decision. >> yeah. >> that's the way forward. >> speaking of the rule of law, republican senator ben sasse, in fact one of the first republican lawmakers acknowledging joe biden as president-elect is out with this statement saying in part, every american who cares about the rule of law should take comfort that the supreme court including all three of president trump's picks closed the book on the nonsense. so what overall, kimberly, should americans take from this? given the question to expect from a 6-2 majority supreme court? >> a great lesson to americans who pay attention. think of everything including the supreme court as political bodies. have the latest appointments to the u.s. supreme court, very
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pl politicized. we see here the supreme court spoke clearly exception one small technicality unanimously saying there is no way one state can step in and try to tell other states how they contact elections. let alone make the case that other states were engaging in fraud when there is no evidence for that. that the supreme court will stand up and say, no. this is not what this court is meant to do. step in to this and disenfranchise voters. americans can take heart in a pandemic when millions of americans were still able to cast their votes and exercise their constitutional rights that they were able to do that and that those votes counted. this is a win for the rule of law. it's a win for democracy and hopefully americans outside of the noise can see that. >> you know what? a positive note to end this on. kimberly atkins, thank you so much. form ter trump attorney michael cohen joins me next for what awaits the president after he leaves the white house. ves .
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34 past. breaking news. showing trump supporters gathering in the nation's capital to protest election results. our colleague amanda golden is also there at freedom plaza in washington, d.c. amiranda, with a welcome to you. curious what you're seeing a sense of crowd size, i'm admittedly bad at that. suggest add few thousand. i think i overestimated that crowd? >> reporter: i think you're right on, alex. i'm not good at that either but the group has a permit and up to 15,000 people. i haven't seen more than a couple thousand. that's a generous number. this is a smaller crowd than a month ago led by women more ffo america first. you can see a number of supporters are here and saw the
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proud boyce a group came through in large groups and scattered throughout the crowd here. to put it in context, talking about this throughout the day, this comes as the supreme court rejected and attempt to turn over election results in four states. continued legal hits one after the other. supporters here are not waving but we cannot say it is a larger crowd than we saw here a month ago. >> amanda golden, very loud behind you. thank you for that reported. joining me michael cohen author of the blockbuster best-seller. welcome back. >> thank you. same to you. >> curious, you're an attorney. when you see the supreme court rejecting unanimously at least two of the challenges to the
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election, how do you read that? i just want to remind you. again, three of those supreme court justices trump hand-picked and appointed and got them confirmed. how bigging a inof a rebuke? >> tremendous. to let everybody know, i was disbarred for my interactions with the president. while i have the law degree i'm not a practicing attorney any longer. for the of that, the way donald trump sees it is very strange, and it's very scary. his feeling is that he gave these three individuals a job for life, and that the fact that they have not sided with him is such a disloyal act that he doesn't know how to respond. because his whole goal was to try to have the supreme court send the case to congress in order to make a determination whether or not the election was valid and who the electoral
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votes should go for, but that seems to be falling in hisis le it's supposed to be. >> also talk about you two. that, michael is making good on cracking down on election videos. taking down two overnight. what does this mean for the president's personal efforts? as we watch the president's supporters rally, how much relies on just a spread of misinformation? >> start right way with the fact that they're calling it "the million maga march" when you have a couple thousand people there. like me turning on twitter halden that i have 5 billion people, right? call it the michael cohen 5 billion twitter followers. it's nonsense but not just youtube doing it.
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right? finally these guys are getting together and acknowledging extent of misinformation put out there, whether by the president, which in and of itself is abhorrent, but also you have that coming on facebook, you also have that coming on twitter, where there's a mon ikr on the bottom saying this information is in dispute. you may think this is actually helpful, i don't believe that it is because donald trump's followers are so entrenched into this cult, this ecosmear of right-ring support it doesn't really make a difference what they put or whether they take it down, because he's going to create his own trump news network and he creates his own social atmosphere to continue to spew misinformation and this disinformation in order to be really a thorn in joe biden and kamala harris's administration. he's going to do everything that he can in order to disrupt it.
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including on the day of the inauguration he's counterprogramming. i want you to remember one thing, alex. the reason he's doing this, and people listen to this carefully, the reason he's doing this, it's a money grab. that's all that this is. he wants that 499 perk supporter to pay him each and every month, and while he has the 100 million supporters all he's looking for right now is 20 million of them at 499 a month. he's banking $100 million a month. $1.2 billion a year, right? more than he's ever earned in his entire life. it's so simple. >> so you have said that before on this broadcast. you are reiterating this, that you think he's going to try to create a news network. there are those, including the president, who have said, i'm considering 2024 to make a run. you basically called that poppycock and i think reasoning
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that this president can't focus on more than five minutes ahead. right? but there are -- >> first of all i think i called it a lot worse than poppycock. >> well, you know, anyway -- but you don't think he's going to run again? and if not, what is all of this about? is this just to bolster himself, bolster his creds, bolster his power, be something of a shadow president and a thorn in the side of joe biden? >> yeah. it's donald trump has an incredibly thin skin. a very fragile ego. the notion that he lost to joe biden, right? is in essence, goes straight to his core, that he's a loser. and that something that he just cannot contend with. so he will try to create this shadow government, he will be running it out of mar-a-lago termed on the blog, trump maga
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flags or trump now 2024 flags, he will not be running in 2024. for several reasons. first and foremost, the attorney general and the district attorney here both in new york. that's only two, only two, two agencies, will have him so busy between him, his children, his aponom st company, so entrenched in litigation he will not have time to go about in terms of campaigning. >> you mentioned the new york attorney general. letitia james, predicting just exactly how this term will end for this presidency. issuing a warning to the president concerning his future. wl let's listen to her. >> pardon his family members, children, son-in-law and individuals in his administration as well as some
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of his close associates. then i suspect at some point in time he will step down and allow the vice president to pardon him. now, it's important to understand he is pardoned from federal crimes. but not pardoned from state crimes. president trump cannot avoid justice in the great state of new york. >> to your point, michael, what awaits him from the great state of new york, that said, do you see donald trump stepping down? 39 days to inauguration. do you see him stepping down just before that in time to be issued a pardon as la teesetitis is thinking, pardons for his children from federal crimes? >> that poses a different problem, and part of the answer to your question is, donald trump will only do what benefits donald trump. so if people tell him, and he gets proper advice that a pre-pardon so to speak would be
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beneficial to him as well as to his children or some close associates, then he will do it, but what people are telling him is that the pre-pardon is actually something that could hurt him very, very badly with the tish james case as well as with the cy vance case, because if you are pre-pardoned, you no longer have inability to invoke fifth amendment because you can't be charged which means you have to tell the truth. that's the last thing that donald trump wants. to have to tell the truth? he doesn't want his kids to have to tell the truth, or individuals that surround him, because if they do, you still can be charged under the state crimes and some of them overlap. so it's a very dangerous game that donald trump is playing right now with this whole pre-pardon concept. >> michael cohen, always appreciate your insight. come see me again. still laughing about maga spfan.
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now to the escalating tensions in the middle east. new this week, two air force bombers fly near iranian air space. this following fallout of iran's top nuclear scientist's death. u.s. reducing staff at the baghdad embassy in anticipation of iran's retaliation. joining me, former cia intelligence organize and daily intelligence briefer during the george w. bush and bill clinton administrations. this week's bomber mission one of two this month, which is unusual. how does this help rising tensions in the middle east? what's the effect?
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>> the effect is uncertain at this point. the intent is to show iran and more importantly america's aal l allies in the region, yes, if there is hostilities, the united states will bring to bear to defend itself and defend allies in the region. supposed to be a signal to the actors in the region about that. but the effect is unclear. because this has happened periodically. the united states routinely has a carrier group nearby or contacts exercises with allies nearby, and, yes. flies bombers half way around the world as a show of force every once in a while. and it doesn't necessarily change iranian behavior, and we can't tell what from diplomacy to those military deployments to negotiations with allies has the affect on iranian behavior. have to tell you, the effect is
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unclear. >> here comes a question. the iranians vowed to avenge the death of both these top scientists as kel a soleimani by a drone attack? your thoughts? >> iran has a history but plays the long game. when soleimani was assassin ated january 3rd almost a year ago, clearly there was going to be a response of some kind but at a time and place of iran's choosing. and they are in no rush to necessarily do it. now, there have been rocket attacks in iraq. the easiest target for them just next door, but no reason that it has to be limited to that, or limited to a certain time frame. we have to remember that iran was contributing to or responsible for attacks not only iran in the middle east but as far as argentina over the past several decades an there's no reason iran needs to respond to those things quickly.
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the interesting thing to see will be whether the change of administrations from donald trump to joe biden in the presidency affects iran's calculations in terms of this. in terms of retaliation itself. >> so part of the of the calcul that iran wants the united states to return to the iran deal. that's what you're saying. that's why they are holding off, if you will, because were they to do something, that would greatly challenge the prospects of that, yeah? >> it's a multi level game here. you have some in iran who would like to see some kind of a return to a deal whether it is the deal that had been negotiated before and agreed to or now. something similar to it. there are many others in iran who have said forget it. we tried very hard. we went to the negotiations. we gave up some things that we didn't want to and we had this
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deal and then it fell apart and now we're enriching uranium and why do we need to go back in a deal. those parties in iran are at great tension. it's not clear to me whether you'll have the unity on the iranian side to have a unified message about negotiations on the deal. it really boils down to the supreme leader himself. he is not sharing his innermost thoughts with us on where he stands on negotiating with biden administration. >> quickly, with regard to the american perspective, what the biden administration might want on this deal. there's a potential that it would have to change significantly, do you think? >> yeah. the circumstances have changed. when this was negotiated going back many years now, the goal was to try to use this as a lever. not only to put a hold on iranian's nuclear program to they the break out time it would take for iran to develop a nuclear weapon, that was
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happening under the nuclear deal. it was delaying that. now those restraints are off. that's bad for everybody, but the other goal was to try to use it as a lever for iran to moderate some of its other behavior, regionally and iran has not done that. we had iranian attacks on saudi arabia. we had iranian support in yemen as well as continued support to hezbollah and others. it's going to be hard to unwrap all of that and get back to an easy deal. i think the mountain got a lot harder to climb. >> that's a great way to put it. a decision on fate of the senate begins in less than 48 hours. what's happening right now, next. what's happening right now next can actually attract pet hair? with new bounce pet hair & lint guard, your clothes can repel pet hair. look how the shirt on the left attracts pet hair like a magnet! pet hair is no match for bounce. with bounce, you can love your pets, and lint roll less. ♪ lift it. press it. ♪
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an monday, georgia voters will head to the polls for the start of early voting. the highly watched senate run off race will determine which party controls the u.s. senate.
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let's talk about what we can expect in georgia this week. >> reporter: some more big names coming to state of georgia. president-elect joe biden will be here on tuesday. vice president mike pence making another trip on thursday. alec, as we're just a couple of days away whefrom the start of early voting, i want to give you a sense of what it feels like on the ground. this a voter mobilization event. this is not featuring the reverend himself. he's down in savannah campaigning. this will be launch point if more volunteers. they will go and check in, get some swag and send that off into the communities going door to door. i spoke to an official with both campaigns and the focus on latino communities is very high. listen to what she told me.
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>> this specific event we're doing for immigrant latinos, asian communities and we know this is the hub of the tdiverse groups that we need. we need to be everywhere. just because reverend war nock isn't there, doesn't moon we can't engage and mobilize. sarah palin started a bus tour. there are also about six gop senators, newly elected republican senators. you really get the sense as people are going to start going to the polls on monday. you get the sense that both sides are taking this extremely seriously. alex. >> i have to say when i saw sarah palin out there, i was like what year is this. any way. thank you very much. appreciate that.
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