her family. and thankful she shared that and so vulnerable with us. so many people are feeling what she's feeling. that does it for me. catch me every saturday and sunday. here on msnbc. 3 to 5:00 p.m. eastern. i'll be back here tomorrow night. the "the reidout" with joy reid starts now. good evening, everyone. we have two major stories we're following tonight. the coronavirus pandemic continues to worsen. russian cyber attack on america getting scarier with each new report. we'll have more on that later. first, the lengths to which the trump administration won't to deliberate ri advocate for herd

imhunty this summer cannot be under stated. example after example for the administration pushing for more people to get infected with covid. from e-mails to press conferences and to the american people. where the case count continues to rise. en june 24, when there were 2.3 million cases, hhs senior adviser wrote that we always knew as you relax and open up cases will rise. if we test more we'll find more. are the new cases a problem? publicly however trump referred to the strategy of denial. he's one day later complaining about testing. >> we have more cases. we do the greatest testing. >> july 3, the doctor wrote

there's in other way. we need to establish herd. he went further. we use them to develop herd. we want them infected. and recover with airnt bodies. hospitals are geared. icu beds on the ready. first of all. if you can get past the horror of the phrase we want them infected. it's not even true. on july 9 a few days later. america is running short on masks, gowns and dplgloves agai. the white houses next was disturbing. july 7 a round table to discuss reopening schools. >> now it's time to be open. time to stay open. and we will put out the fires as they come up. we have to open our schools.

it's so important. >> while people were pushing herd immunity and the infection of children. trump was pushing schools to reopen. that attitude persisted. july 27 there were 4.3 million cases. and the doctor was bemoaning the decision colleges were going virtual. we took off the battlefield the weapon we had. young healthy people. to vastly infect themselves. spread it around. develop immunity and stop the spread. trump tweeted that quote the student athletes have been working too hard for the season to be cancelled. let's recap. the trump administration pushed for more case. they had a fantasy that young people get infected and spread covid around and everything will be fine. they pursued that knowing black and brown americans were dying and didn't care. here we are now.

17 million cases and 309,000 deaths. the cdc forecast a total of 357,000 could be reported by january 9. dr. fauci warned today that christmas celebrations could create a catastrophic spread of the virus. than thanksgiving. his message to americans, we have a big problem. joining me now former health policy director in the obama white house. and former covid task force adviser to mike pence. i'll start with you. this sound like a giant experiment to be honest. run on the entire population. and let a lot of people die. get sick. see what happens. that sounds criminal to me. you were there in the administration. did you ever hear anything like

this? >> so i have to tell you when i read that i was sick to my stuck. it just brought everything back into per spect sieve. on a shift that really happened this summer. in terms of it was always a focus on reelection and focus opt economy. and it was all of the decisions made and disregarding public health consideration. that was how a lot of the white house response was run. even though we had people in the task force meeting saying herd immunity doesn't work. dr. fauci and birx pushed back. we thought it was tabled. now i understand there was a shift in messaging. and you see the pressure on everything that we have to open up and no matter what cost. it was detrimental -- >> this was more than just a concern about the economy and reelection. this was it seemed to be donald trump and people around him

internalizing the idea we would do a sweden. without disclosing it. you were asked to work on an op-ed that said there isn't a coronavirus second wave. at the time people were writing up op-eds to put in major newspapers, was it going around among the people that you were working with that this basic experiment was being performed on the american public without our consent? >> so we never discussed anything like that. nothing that i heard. i will tell you on the op-ed there were numerous people like myself and others and aappealed to staff to help me push back on the idea. when we knew the science and data cases were spiking that way. it would be ridiculous to publish saying everything was okay. we were over ruled of the that was the message being pushed. i'm not surprised there were

e-mails floating around that way. saying herd immunity and you see the president pick up on the message. regardless internally was saying no way. this is dangerous. it will kill more americans. >> i can't imagine what you think about this. as a clinician. hearing this story. i'll ask you to weigh in on what does sound like an expeerpt performed against the will of the american people and trump supporters. he was gathering them. putting them in parties. encouraging them to meet and be maskless. this was conducted on friend and foe. on people he didn't give a damn about. black and brown people who were going to die. sp supporters. that sounds like it sounds criminal. >> absolutely. he would be -- if he were a

clinician his license would be taken away. he would be stripped of any privilege to do anything not only sued for medical malpractice and put him in jail. why am i not surprised? we have known it's not just covid. it's the border. forced hysterectomy. history will not look kindly on the president and the administration. and the people that have kind of led this and that's exactly where it deserves to be. the toll of death and destruction is just mind boggling. i commend what she's done in taking action. but i think we're still just scratching the surface. herd immunity, understanding the cdc career staff e mals have been blocked from trying to be public. putting people away like dr. fauci not letting him speak.

not holding -- our standards are so low we don't have regular cdc briefings. president-elect biden talked about how the new incoming director will likely resume daily briefings. it's amazing to me we think that's novel. when we have 3,000 deaths a day. and unfortunately this chaos and destruction hides the fact that federal government still hasn't done anything for places like southern california. where we have icu patients waiting in hall ways. we have need to get testing out to schools and teachers. none of that is being discussed. because it's just not convenient to the message. >> you're right. people wonder why a lot of people particularly black and brown folks. people don't trust the vaccine. quickly, you have good news. the fda saying the vaccine should go ahead and go forward. you have news the pfizer vaccine

has extra doses. maybe you can get more. how do you as a public health personal who cares about public health even convince people to step forward and take this vaccine and take it seriously when the government has essentially want ld us all to get sick? >> yeah. it's not easy. it has to be done with trust and trust is hard to come by. one thing true. you have done it yourself honoring front line workers. men and women to physicians and environmental services staff and people who hand out food. they have an incredible amount of trust. watching -- i watched your show monday and cried when i saw the nurse from long island. we cathedrneed more examples li. sp speak out and talk about her experience. the data and how she wants to stop seeing the disease and death in her own community.

that's what we need to do more of. support that in the world today. and we can. in the next administration. >> you are part of that. you had the guts to come forward when a will the of people didn't. thank you for at least coming forward and letting us behind the scenes of what's happening in the administration. meanwhile with me now, congressman of new york. chairman of the house democratic caucus. wow, representative, leader clyburn has been doing a lot of tv. he was on earlier. this is what he said there needs to be truth and reconciliation about what we know. >> do you believe we need a 9/11 style commission? >> we may. that's something that the new administration may need to look at. it was the course of carrying on

responsibilities when we saw these heard the testimony. and now seeing documents. that indicate what the white house was saying was different from what was going on. >> do you agree? do we need hearings on what we learned? >> the response has been a disaster to the covid-19 pandemic. this president referred to it as a democratic hoax. saying there were 15 cases it would go to zero. there are 15 million. it's of course the president who suggested that the american people consider injecting themselves with lysol. as way to prevent acquiring the covid-19 disease. so, i think that goes without question that we need an after

action analysis beneath the president's remarks into the administration. so we can learn from this experience and figure out how to deal with a situation like this. in the future. and much more comprehensive way. >> it's not even just an after action. this to me sound criminal. we're not just talking about donald trump saying things that were stupid. but to down play the seriousness of it. don't let it take over your life. the cure can't be worse than the disease. playing down when he knew it was deadly and airborne. now it appears people around him were doing that because they want to lower people's defense and get people encourage people to get sick. they want people to get sick. they thought it was of the solution. that sound like more than incompetence. it's criminal. >> certainly sounds like the

indifference for human life. there should be accountability. we are focussed on trying to come to an agreement on providing immediate relief to americans. in the context of the negotiations that are ongoing. i think we are closer than we have been in a while. thanks to the great leadership of speaker nancy pelosi. who want to provide direct payments. child care. something about food insecurity. housing and unemployment. in the new congress we'll have over sight responsibility in terms of looking back at what happened to perfect the responses moving forward and hold anyone accountable for behavior that crossed the line. >> i'll send a couple ideas up for you. if you do hearings. which i hope happens. thereto are stories about rich countries hording vaccines. for their use. so poor countries are missing out. that's on the table.

and i wonder what you make of the example that we're getting out of the white house. mixed messages. mike pence will get the vaccine in public. the first lady when asked if she was going to get the vaccine she said that's not something she'll likely share. privately. is there anything like a message that is useful out of the white house at this point regarding the vaccine? >> not at all. that's no surprise. this white house from the beginning that has been characterized by chaos and crisis, confusion and corruption. so it's no surprise this particular moment that we're not getting a responsible clean direct unified message. help is on the way. i'm thankful for the leadership that joe biden and kamala harris will provide. >> very quickly, you live in new york. i'm from new york.

$600 isn't a lot of money. it won't go far. it won't pay rent. is $600 enough? is that a good deal? >> it's not enough. we are trying to negotiate more. we'll see what the final number is. as joe biden indicated this is a down payment on what needs to be done in the next congress. during joe biden's first 100 days. we can really do something meaningful. we'll have presidential leadership. >> that's if y'all have senate. a big if. happy holidays. appreciate you. up next trump continues his baseless whining about election fraud. he's completely silent about t putin hacking the united states government. on his watch. when the coach lost on the football field he didn't accuse the other team of rigging the

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times. russian hackers targeted multiple government agencies and private companies. through corrupted software. that was down loaded by nearly 18,000 public and private users. and it's been going on for up to nine months. today federal investigators warning the hackers have found ways to penetrate the system. that pose a graef risk to the federal government. trump said not one word about the cyber attack on the country. which poses a clear and present danger to the security. his former homeland security adviser is speaking out in a new op-ed. warning. we must act as if the russian government has control of all the net works it penetrated. it's unclear what they intend to do next. the access the russians enjoy could be used for far more than simply spying. he adds it will take years to know for certain which net works they control. and which ones they just occupy.

that's terrifying. joining me now congressman schiff of california. chairman of the house intelligence committee. i read that the article twice. scaring is caring. i was terrified. you have the story come out saying the nuclear weapons agency was also breeched in this attack. and hackers in that case access systems at the national nuclear security administration which maintains our nuclear weapons stockpile. how much trouble are we in? >> we're in deep trouble. this hack and pen traetration w on for months without detention. the bad actors here used good -- that is they may have exfiltrated so much data in the way they wouldn't tip their hand. and probably had the ability to do more. but didn't want to disclose their presence in our systems.

at the various agencies. it will take months maybe years before we know the extent of the damage. when we have seen other similar massive hacks and attacks like this. sometimes we have never been fully able it determine the damage. this is i would agree with the "new york times" a massive intelligence failure and defense failure. cyber security failure. and we'll have to do very serious examination about how this happened. if the public reporting is accurate it was the private sector that discovered this. that's the big question we have to answer. why didn't you catch in? >> absolutely. i'll play a russian president vladimir putin dismissing it. and saying it wasn't them. >> russian hackers have never interfered and the election. they have never helped trump get

elected. this is all just wild conjecture. just a pretext to solve the relations between russia and u.s. >> back to the election. back to what we know from the mueller report he did to help trump get elected and throw all of this in to that same soup. donald trump who is ben feted greatly from vladimir putin support and really sucked up to him. to be blunt. and acted as if he's jr. partner to putin. are you concerned that trump deliberately stood our federal resources down and allowed russia to do this? >> first of all, that's a fascinating clip. putin understands trump well. he plays him like a fiddle. one of the things he understands and you can see it in the clip, if he can somehow tie this hack to the hack of the democratic institution and leaking of documents that helped elect

trump and suggest it's all part of the same hoax. none of it happened. he can really appeal to trump where he lives. and this maybe why trump remained silent. i can't confirm the attribution. part of the establishing a deterrent. it will need to go beyond that and impose sanctions. i don't have a lot of expectation trump will do that. if the public reports are accurate and russian actors behind this, trump has shown no willingness to confront putin. i wouldn't say he's deliberate ri sat down the cyber guard. we have good people at the agenci agencies trying to do their best. we have had one weakness, that is we have not had a deterrent because trump has been so sycophant toward vladimir putin.

>> he's also fired a lot of people that actually could have done good. in trying to prkt ourselves. protect ourselves. putin will not deal with trump in 30 days. democrats have been a lot tougher in rhetoric. you had senator of illinois calling this a virtual declaration of war. here's what president-elect biden had to say. >> i want to be clear my administration will make cyber security a top priority at every level of government and make dealing with this breech a top priority from the moment we take office. imposing substantial cost on those responsible. including coordination with the allies and partners. as president i will not stand idly by. that's tough rhetoric. he needs support of the united states senate. which is controlled as of now by people bho are beholden to the

same base as trump. if trump stands down and says we're not going to be tough on russia because of this, can you count on and can we count on mcconnell and company to be tough? >> you can't count on mitch mcconnell. in any way. on just about any issue. i will say this, the republican ts don't agree with trump about russia. privately they don't agree with his sycophants. his character when it comes to putin. the false -- they don't agree with that stuff. when he's no longer in office there's the prospect they revert back to ideology form and willing to stand up to the russian threat. i have to say if you bet on the republicans who stand up to putin. in the past you lost every bet.

whether they are willing to do so on the front lines. with the tweets. there's the prospect of a bipartisan coalition in congress to hold the russians accountable if i say again they are indeed attributed with this attack. >> we shall see. congressman schiff. we hope you're right. thank you. >> it's not just this attack. you have to look at this in the context of other attacks by the same bad actors. they can accumulate the stolen data. it's an impact of the thefts. that is devastating. and we'll really have to up our game to defend against this in the future. >> yeah. well said. always appreciate you being here. we are shining a big spotlight on the bizarre weird stuff going on behind the scenes

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there are just 34 days left of the trurp administration. we call this the lame duck period.

after the 18th century term for a duck who is unable to keep up with the flock. a president and a congress on the way out. usually not much happens during this between governments. there have been times like during the civil rights era or first obama era lame duck congress where major progressive legislation happened. like the congress that passed obamacare and wiped out in the midterm and ending don't ask don't tell on the way out. tonight on the "the reidout" we're launching a new segment to document what lame duck trump and his republican lemmings are doing on their way out the door. nothing good will come of that. we're calling it what the duck? hallmark. the trump presidency has been -- trump took a blow torch to norms, decency and democracy. they had no problem with his foul language. >> they are pursuing an illegal,

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last night forever presidential candidate rubio. went to bed. out raged, out raged! that a woman dared to call out republicans. rubio who has carried trumps water in a dineny little bottle for four years was critical of president-elect call for unity after the campaign manager questioned republican motives. by using an expletive. earlier this month he defended the decision to nominate to after senate republicans warned she might not be confirmed because tweets about them were too offensive. what the duck? i love that duck. i guess they have been asleep for four years. joining me now former senator of the california.

and professor of politics. we want you to be involved in a segment that's kind of cohosted by a duck. we want to make sure you keep your head on straight. keep you humble. let's talk about the whiny. rubio who hasn't tweeted about the russian attack on the united states even though he is the chair of the senate intelligence committee. tweeted biden talks about unity and healing. you want to know what they think? read about how the person he wants as the white house deputy chief of staff called republicans a bunch of efers. here's what she said. in the primary people mock him. biden. like you think you can work with republicans? i'm not saying they are a bunch of efers. mcconnell is terrible. i'm not saying they're not a

bunch of f'ers. but in the saying you shouldn't work with them. is that enough to go on a tweet storm? >> this is a guy who if you ask your random person in the street, more people know his rap name than where he's a senator from. he's been attacked by the president he is holding water for. this is what happens with the republican party. they are out of power, when ever they don't feel they can criminal every aspect of american society. they engage in the ridiculous, hypocritical bad faith arguments. they got mad about franken and two years later voted for trump. and spending by democrats and bust the budget. they have more bad faith. it's ridiculous. what's important to remember is this is just going to continue as they realize more and more

that the language that democrats have been holding in for all the years is going to be common once biden gets into office. >> senator boxer, you didn't have rubio go on a tweet storm or tweet bible verses. when congressman called alexandria ocasio-cortez an fing b. he didn't have a problem with that. but now he's at morality police. call trump and tell him not to veto the defund the military. that's the other thing going on in the lame duck. your thoughts? >> my thoughts are that rubio and all the guys who just are the puppets of trump they are just hypocritical babies. grow up. we know what they say. when they're behind closed doors. for them to act so shocked when someone makes a comment like

that. in these days when everything you say is on social media. it's absurd. lame ducks are grumpy. and rubio is a grump. he thought he would be able to run. trump says he's running. he's grumpy. he's around people retiring and don't want to be there. he doesn't want to be there. he wasn't in the room where all the work happened. he's jealous of that. i can tell you having gone through more lame ducks than i care to remember. it is one grumpy time. they ought to just understand that people are hurting and they ought to get busy and do their job and stop worrying about somebody that hurts their feelings. >> it's remarkable to me. in the lame duck in 2010 that congress that got wiped out. they had the courage to vote for

healthcare. and lost seats. they will end don't ask don't tell. that was one of the most historic lame duck sessions. and huge pushes to pass legislation that helped people. we're deep into the lame duck and no decent bill that matches what the house tried to pass for people who are 8 million people in poverty. nast not getting done. if it does it will be a baby bill. >> it's about distraction. they want to give $600 to people. when you have 900,000 people asking for unemployment in a week. all the american have a right to use profanity right now. 300,000 plus people who families are suffering through a loss. someone who boent at the table this christmas. thanksgiving. it's the 900,000 applying for unemployment. rubio.

the most offense i have is not skyrocketing rates in covid. or eviction. that russians attacking us. not your president tried to cheat. the president insulted you. the most terrible thing in the the world a latin congresswoman from the new york exists. he wants to fight with ax ocasio-cortez and women in the atd mirgs. that's more offensive to him than people suffering in the country. >> important point. they seem to get much more tweaked by women. who say things and their minds step out of line. than anything that any man does. including vladimir putin or trump. >> i'm smiling with a wry smile. if i told you how many times they called on me to resign. i can't even tell you.

you know what, let's focus on reality. jason points it out. we're in a dire situation. we look at the clips from my state of california, my great state. i literally cry. people are waiting online in line to get food. people are never ever thought they had to do it. when you ask them about it, they just tear up and say i don't have a choice. meanwhile, they're grumpy in a lame duck. quack quack. bottom line, mitch mcconnell doesn't want to do anything. the only reason he's looking at doing something is a baby step. because he's scared that his two beloved candidates who are corrupt who are running in georgia, who wouldn't know what

the word want means or needy. and he's worried that people catching on. and he may put something forward. everyone who is left out of the room where it happens, they want to be in the room where it happens. they were stymied. they better get help to people or we won't look like america. we're not. >> yeah. it will be quite a lame duck session. i'm glad we have this segment. a perfect pair. former senator and thank you very much. as americans as we discussed turn to food banks in record numbers. congress is taking little tiny ba baby steps towards a bill on relief. will it be enough to rescue americans facing joblessness, poverty and hunger? to high quality computer science and stem education. ♪

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just days before critical economic relief programs are set to expire for millions of americans, congress is working out the details on a new stimulus package estimated at $900 billion fp a major climb down from the $3 trillion house democrats sought. the last minute scramble to come up with something follows a flood of new data. nearly 900,000 people applied for jobless benefits. the highest since september.

the eight million americans have slipped into poverty since this summer. the new plan is expected to include direct stimulus checks of $600 per person. half the amount provided in march as well as extension for unemployment insurance and money for businesses as well as rent and food assistance. what's not expected to be in it is funding for state and local government and liability protection for businesses. congress faces upcoming deadline including a midnight friday deadline to keep the government open, extended unemployment insurance expires the day after christmas and a national eviction moratorium expires on new year oos eve. joining me is co-chair of the poor people's campaign. i know you met with members of the biden team today and presented to them what you and the poor people's campaign and your allies would like to see done. what was said in that meeting and what do you think came out of it? >> we got about 22 people that

met with them. we had impacted people in those 41 people that have died from covid. we had white farmers. we had latinos, fast food workers. we had public health professors and economists. we basically said when you lookt the reality of where we were before covid with 140 million poor people in this country and 700 people dying a day from povrerty and now we have over 8 million have been added and nearly 3,000 people who die from poverty, you can't heal the nation without healing the body. the body is sick with systemic racism, systemic poverty, ecological devastation, denial of health care and misguided spending. what we laid out for them 14 point, i think you may have them. 14 points that we have to do beginning with comprehensive just and full covid relief. not one policy, not just one

action and what was interesting and we didn't want to meet with biden and harris them. waentsed to meet with top policy people. susan rice was there and others and after the inaugural, we want to meet in the white house with poor and low wealth people. this is going to require long term and fundamental transformation in this moment. biden said to 1.2 million people when he met with us on september, changing poverty would be at the sent of of change in his administration. we have to make sure we hold to that because it's the only wiet of this mess. >> this is that moment when now president-elect biden spoke to the poor people's campaign. here he is. >> at your forrum last year, i promised you we not only talk about but we do something about

it together. i want to be part of your movement. >> just to establish that is the commitment he's made. he's not in power yet. the people who are in power now are putting together a deal that would be $600, a one time payment. missouri congresswoman collect cori bush said they will act like the difference between the 600 and the 1200 there earlier is infuriating. i've been unhoused. i've lived paycheck to paycheck. the difference is having a hotel room or a car. $1200 was already the compromise. he's saying the compromise is not good enough. we're facing a time when black and latino americans are twice as likely to lose their home because their likely to rent than own. when billionaires like jeff bezos and elon musk have raked in more money, just untold amounts of money from this pandemic. what do you make of this

negotiation that will get the average person 600 bucks. >> we have people in congress who get free health care, who make nearly a quarter million dollars a year. now they are compromising and negotiating on the backs of low income people. low wealth people are dying. white people and so forts. then they want us to call this a christmas miracle. it's not a christmas miracle. it's a christmas mess and it's meanness. mcconnell has only wanted to give immunity, liability for corporations and not want to do right by all the people. you know, it is -- if i was in the old testament, joy, the praise that would be using is the bands of wickedness. this is out right meanness and wickedness in the middle of time when people are dying. they're so mean, they're hurting

their own constituents. it's not compromise. it's copitulation. it's the least amount they can do. we were already in a whole lot of pain. what we said today in this meeting going forward, liberalism is not going to get us out of this, trickle down economics will not get us out of this. you'll have to focus from the bottom up on poor and low wealth people. the blood of the people that are dying are on the hands of mitch mcconnell and these senators who refuse to do right by the people in this country. it's just mean. it's a mess and it's a form of political wickedness and political violence. >> i want to note that mitch mcconnell is only asssaying he wants to do a bill because he's worried it's hurting to two senate candidates in georgia. among the people who have gotten relief have been megachurches. joel olsteen got money.

the church of scinetology got money. that's me. that's not you. all in with chris hays starts right now. tonight on "all in." the hacking of america. >> this is as destructive and broad scale and engagement with our military systems, our intelligence systems as happened in my lifetime. >> the government agencies in charge of nuclear weapons hacked by russia in a undetectundetec undetected operation. silence from the president of the united states. then. >> and that concludes the vote. it looks like we have a favorable vote. >> second vaccine approved by the fda panel. new challenges for the roll out