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♪ welcome to a very busy wednesday. it's meet the press daily. i'm kasie hunt in for chuck todd who begins this hour with breaking news agency the white house is under fire for falling well short of its target for covid vaccinations. and as that new more contagious coronavirus variant from the uk now found here in the u.s. the goal was 20 million vaccinations by year-end. the actual number, according to the cdc, right now is just 1/10 of that. while the approval of multiple vaccines should rightly be credited as a medical marvel, the distributions of getting them into people's arms have been criticized as excruciatingly slow, including president-elect joe biden who
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condemned the response. and those involved in operation warp speed spoke to reporters acknowledging that the number of vaccinations administered is lower than hoped for but they do hope that's going to turn around and soon. >> as more vaccine becomes available, and we do see, you know, very good steady drumbeat of our vaccine coming off the manufacture i manufacturing fill finish line. then we'll be able to expand distribution through the local brick and mortar pharmacy chain. as vaccines become available, states determine distribution priorities. i visualize, as early as 8 and 15 of january, the expansion to the utilization will greatly increase access of vaccines to the american people. >> and this comes as public health officials, including dr. fauci are publicly acknowledging we've missed the mark on vaccine administration
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so far. the obvious questions are why and how do we fix it? the president and the white house are pinning blame on the states. they claim they've delivered these vaccines as promised and it's up to local officials to finish the job. states are pointing the finger back at the federal government for not giving them the resources needed for sufficient a massive undertaking and for communications failures some of which the white house has apologized for. the bottom line here amid a ranging pandemic, we have known for months that this vaccination effort was going to be one of the biggest challenges our country would ever face. that it would require massive investments in logistics, resources, management, and communication. and right now, it's clear what were warp speed it may be, right now, it's not fast enough. nbc's monica alba is following it in florida. and peter baker, and infectious
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disease physician, associate professor at the boston university school of medicine and an msnbc medical contributor. monica alba. let me go to you first. we did hear, of course, from the operation warp speed task force. and nobody is suggesting that what we have seen in terms of vaccine development has been anything put a marvel, the speed with which these vaccines were developed, the levels that we believe they work, all of that. but this basic public health execution of getting shots into people's arms is something that the trump administration had promised. and we have so much videotape of trump officials saying that there were going to be 20 million of these shots by the end of the year. and yet, here we are. how are they explaining themselves right now? >> that's right, caseyikasie. the consensus seems to be that operation warp speed is an appropriate moniker and label for getting the vaccines and getting them approved but it
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certainly doesn't apply at the moment to the distribution process which we have known for months was going to be a challenge. and the lack of a federal distribution plan is what has made many local health officials raise alarm bells. saying it's great today that today general gustav perna has said, they've been distributed but local officials can't say or tell or know how many people have been vaccinated. the latest update from the cdc data tracker that, again, comes in a federal government agency is only 2.1 million americans have actually received that first dose of the coronavirus vaccine. that is well, well, well short of what their own trump administration goal had been for december which was 20 million people. but you have to remember, that would mean that 40 million doses have been distributed since they require two shots, of course. so the fact that only 14 million have been distributed according
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to the trump administration really does show you they're so beneath their mark. and the other issue of concern here, kasie, is this is not something that we know much about in terms of the biden incoming administration, how they're going to do this handoff. and that's something you've heard the president-elect raise a lot of concerns over. and he continues to make remarks and pleas to the current president for more information, guidelines and briefings. this is really going to fall to them. and that brings us to where it president trump in all of this. he is complaining and shifting blame to the states entirely. he wants to take credit for the warp speed portion of this, in terms of the development. but he's really trying to wash his hands to the distribution. of course, he's still the president of the united states, the commander in chief. but where is he? he's on the golf course here in florida. that's where he's spent the majority of his time. he's not addressed the coronavirus pandemic on camera in a matter of weeks. certainly, since he's been here
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for the holiday season, nothing on his schedule planned for today, no plans for the rest of the week either, kasie. >> well, i mean, peter baker, this comes as he's in the waning days of his presidency. he is spending all of his time trying to focus on trying to overturn the results of the election so he can stay president without taking on the responsibilities of the presidency. we've had several -- a long list of things that have happened that in a different world the president would have commented on or taken action around or gone to visit in nashville, for example. but in the vaccine distribution, specifically, you've covered the entirety of this administration. you've also covered many other administrations in the past. how would you put -- i don't know that we can call it a failure yet, but certainly, the launch of this vaccine distribution effort has been plagued with problems. how is history, do you think, going to reflect on what we're seeing unfold right now? >> well, certainly not what was
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promised. that's exactly right. look, as monica said, the development of this vaccine obviously is a great victory for this administration. for the country, for the scientists who developed it. but if it can't get into people's arms fast enough then that obviously comes with a great cause. it's not just a matter of being patient. it's not just a matter of waiting another few weeks and it will be okay. there are real consequences. 3600 americans died yesterday from covid. think about that morning 9/11 on pearl harbor day. and the troops that died in the iraq war. and somebody in congress, to pass away in congress, a young man, 41 years old, therefore, getting the vaccine out is a great urgency. you're not seeing the president express that surgency. you're not seeing him, at least
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taking a public role in finding way to find the problems and get it out more expeditiously. remember in september, at a press conference he said there would be 100 million doses distributed by the end of the year. we're nowhere there that. if you're going the rate we're going, it would take 300 some weeks, basically six years to vaccinate everybody in the country. obviously, it will speed up, obviously it will get faster at some point but you're not seeing that urgency from the president on what would have been one of those most important victories, most important accomplishments. >> well, peter, just to continue on this, it's not just there's no emergency, he's blaming other officials. this is not the first time he's done that, but it has extraordinary consequences in this case. no? >> it does. the buck does not stop in the oval office when it comes to failures and missteps and problems as we've seen during the last nine, ten months with
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this epidemic every time something goes right, of course, he quickly claims credit. every time something goes wrong it's somebody else's fault. look, obviously there could be fault spread around. the point is who is not at fault. the point is how to get it fixed as you said rightly in the opening. the point is how do you get this going. and rather than, you know, engaging in squabbles with the governors which he seems to like doing, he could be out there trying to figure out a way to solve the problem and speed this up. >> well, and dr. bhadelia, that's a perfect setup for you. what does need to be done differently to fix this problem? what are things that officials should be doing now that they should be cancelling their new year's holiday plans to scramble to try to figure out, so that as peter points out some of those thousands of lives we're losing every day might be saved? >> yeah, kasie, i want to underscore it, because the
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urgency is even higher because we're expected to move into the darkest month given the holiday travels. you're seeing an increasing number of transmissions and the new variant recently discovered in u.s. soil, that setting us up for potentially more losses of life. so there's two aspects of this. i think that we have simply not spent enough resources on the allocution and distribution of these vaccines. and maybe some of those resources will come from the relief bill that was signed on sunday but the way the bill is played out, the vaccines have been delivered to states and right now, it's medical facilities, in long-term facilities that are doing the administration. look at those two bodies of -- you know, of distributions. departments of public health have been understaffed, overworked. have worked on staffing -- i'm sorry, testing, on contact tracing, allocation of medical
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tracing. health care and they're lacking in personal protective equipment. that's who has been assigned at those allocations because they're looking to reinvent the wheel because some staff have taken an entirely different path in terms of allocation and that's okay. they're basing it on priority but the question is, there hasn't been enough federal input and you see what happens, the federal government doesn't get its hands dirt with with regard to testing with personal protective equipment. we can't have the federal government step off and say this is the state's responsibility. there has to be a lot more involvement. i really like what president-elect biden said yesterday which is we need to invoke the defense protection act which i hope they do. between then, we need to work closer with governance to do a root cause analysis to get resources to the front line where vaccines can be administered. particularly because now, we're going to open it up to more sites, right?
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what are the common challenges? let's discover that. that's what the perg nefederal government needs to be doing right now in collaboration with the government. >> so, monica, what do we know what others around the president are doing. if it's not the president himself, jared kushner had involved himself in earlier with the covid-related issues trying to solve them. vice president mike pence is ahead of the coronavirus task force. what is going on right now, if anything, to try and get this solved? >> well, the vice president currently, kasie, is on vacation in vail, colorado, where he's been since christmas day. we haven't gotten any guidance, specifically as you point out as the head of the task force and the person who has been convening meetings at times of critical crisis in this pandemic which you could argue we certainly are in right now but because it happens to fall on
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the holidays, the white house and task force are not coming together with any regularity. you do have the doctors that come out and the doctors come out and talk about publicly just how worried they are about the state of things. but we're not hearing that kind of message at all from the vice president who did publicly show that the vaccine was safe and efficient. he got it on camera before leaving on his holiday travels. but we're also not hearing from somebody like jared kushner or other top officials who wanted to take credit for what the administration had done early on. you'll remember, we could play an incredible series of bites from these officials saying back in may and june, we're in wonderful shape. the country is going to be rocking again by july. trying again to claim victory over the testing. all of these things that had been fraught with issues. again, the president is probably the most notable absence on any of this. he just wants to take credit for
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the vaccine. he's not at all talking about how this is actually going to become vaccinations which is, of course, critical shots in arms. that's the major challenge going forward in the final weeks of the trump administration, kasie. >> so, peter baker, what kind of expectations challenge does that set up for the president-elect, for joe biden? we saw him over the past couple of days criticize the trump administration's pandemic response but, you know, as this drags on, people are distracted right now. we are in the middle of a holiday week. but as the weeks start to pass, if people are not able to get this vaccine, eventually, it's going to be biden sitting in that chair, not trump. >> that's right, exactly. and a new president, often blames his predecessor for any issues in the early days of office because he's simply inheriting something that he didn't create. and trying to figure out how to get his administration going. but there's going to be such enormous impatience. there's going to be a lot of pressure on biden.
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it won't be enough to simply say trump left me a broken system. people expect him to fix it fast because there is again urgency here. there is consequences in what's going on. and biden has repeatedly throughout the election and post-election period promised to do a better job. so if he ends up running into his own problems which might happen there might be enormous criticism of him as well. people are putting great expectation on a president from the start which is hard to do for a president particularly in a national crisis like this. >> certainly after so many years of the trump administration and the way they have treated the federal government apparatus. people are not working from or with the kind of resources they may have had after previous transitions. thanks to you, peter and monica and dr. bhadelia as well. i want to first talk to you about what the administration is facing right now. kerry sanders is at a
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vaccination site in ft. lauderdale, florida. kerry, you have been documenting a pretty unusual way of distributing this vaccine in florida. and some of the unique challenges it's creating. what have you learned? >> reporter: well, let's take a look at the bottom line. you want to go get a vaccine. you're 65 years or older. you fall into a certain category. you're a health care worker, you want to get a vaccine. here are the complications. i'm in broward county, as you noted, i'm in ft. lauderdale. i'll get to this hospital in a moment. let's talk first about another one nearby, broward health. yesterday, they announced to the public in the greater ft. lauderdale area if you're 65 or older, you can go to broward health and they will give you your vaccination. just call in and sign up. well, it crashed the phone system. i mean, it actually knocked it out. today, less than 24 hours later, they announced that they are now completely filled up with appointments for people to get vaccinations to the end of
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february. i've heard from people today, it's like i tried all day. i got all morning busy signals. couldn't get through. the phone system saying it wasn't connecting. and then they discover that now there are no more opportunities to get an appointment. now, i take you here to holy cross health. okay. this is where health care workers have been told they can come. and they started showing up here today. just after midnight lining up. no appointment necessary. they could just come here, line up and get it. well, this really kind of points out the problem which is what we'll hear in a moment, they call it access points. where are the access points to get these actual vaccinations. they seem to be limited and they're overwhelmed. take a listen. >> what i'd like to see is are increased number of access points because as you can see from the line every day, it is not a lack of health care providers wanting to get the vaccine. it's lack of access points to
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get the vaccine. >> some of these folks got here at 12:30 this morning. >> yep, yep. every day we have people who get here at midnight, 12:30. 3:45. and it goes into their practice day. patients are upset by their physicians waiting to get a vaccine. the more access points we have to give vaccines, the better this is going to be and the less lines we'll see. >> reporter: how bad is it? well, some people have been traveling significant distances to get the vaccine. some people have driven five hours from tampa to ventura drive, drive back, they'll have to come back for the second shot. definitely confusion, kasie. >> definitely sounds like it. and we have a lot of tough beaks ahead of us trying to get everyone the shots that they so desperately need. kerry sanders, thank you as always. it's great to see you. coming up here, we're going to have the latest from capitol hill as the senate battles over
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welcome back. right now, the fate of the bill to increase direct coronavirus payments to $2,000 is in the hands of senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. and with only a few days left in the congressional term, mcconnell appears to be running out the clock. rather than allowing just a vote on just the increased payments, mcconnell teed up a bill that would tie the extra money for legislation with liability protections for big tech companies and the creation of an election commission. these are two pet issues for the president that are no-gos for democrats. and while mcconnell appears to be trying to appease the white house and his republican
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senators with the move, one of those senators is breaking on a senate issue. senator josh hawley announced he intends to challenge the certification next week. it will force lawmakers to go on the record about who they believe won in november and one that mcconnell repeatedly urged republicans not to make. joining me the democratic w.h.i.p. dick durbin. senator durbin, thank you for your time today. i'd actually like to start with the stimulus checks just because there are so many people looking in their bank accounts now for the $600 that they're hoping will be there, who, perhaps, need much more than $600. so many people saying that doesn't make a dent in the debts or rent that they owe now, after months of having to deal with this pandemic. so, what is going to happen next in the senate here? and do democrats have any tools at their disposal to try and
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push back what mcconnell has set up here which seems destined to fail? >> there is only one bill that will give american families $2,000 apiece. and that's the bill that passed the house. in the alternative by senator mcconnell or any other republican senator is destined to fail since there's so little time left before january 3rd on sunday. and secondly, this effort to provide $2,000 to americans is in the hands of one senator, mitch mcconnell. he alone has the authority to call measures for a vote on the floor. if he refuses to do so, if he dl delays it with his alternative bill, he is personally responsible for american families not receiving this additional funds. >> so, is there any way you could vote for a bill that included these checks, but also had these other policy items that mcconnell had added? >> let me tell you, beyond the policy, and there are serious policy questions about the mcconnell alternative, the selection of a new bill that has
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to be sent over to the house before noon on january the 3rd is physically, politically impossible. he knows it. it is only a cover, i'll say this carefully -- a cover your behind vote for republicans who don't want to give $2,000 to individuals across america. >> do you think that this makes it more likely that jon ossoff and raphael warnock can pull out those races in georgia, or do you think it's too late for that? >> well, let me tell you what, the republican finger print are all over the scene of the crime if the $2,000 measure is stopped. the senators in georgia for it are said to be elected under the unites senate for the man in control of the man who is responsible for killing the $2,000 payment. let's go to the electoral college, usually a pro forma
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procedure, takes 24 minutes in the past from year to year. we learned today that josh hawley plans to object. that's what republicans in the house needed in order to draw out this process and force members of the congress to hold votes on whether those objections should be sustained. of course, mcconnell didn't want to have to do this, if you have to vote to say trump lost, that's something that could be used against many republican members in their re-election fights to create a division, if you will, within the republican party. what do you think we'll see play out on january 6th? and is there anything democrats can do to ensure that this process reflects the reality that joe biden won the election? >> kasie, this is the political equivalent of barking at the moon. it is not an effort that's going to be taken seriously, although we are going to take it through the steps that are necessary to make sure the american people who made a decision on november 3rd have that decision honored
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and protected by the united states senate and the house. now, senator hawley is an attorney. he's a former attorney general of missouri, the show me state. i would say to attorney hawley, show me one major piece of litigation that this president and those who support his point of view has won since november 3rd on the issue of vote fraud? show me one example, if you will, of where this president in gathering all of the republican congressmen and sending the matter to the supreme court had that complaint thrown out in a matter of minutes by the highest court of the land. where's your evidence, senator hawley? is this just a political exercise? because if it's a legal exercise, there's no evidence. >> and do you have any concerns that democrats wouldn't be able to stop an effort to reject a certain state or more than one state potentially? or are you confident that there will not be the votes in the senate to throw out any of these critical electors?
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>> i cannot speak to votes in the senate, but, of course, to go to the next stage of deliberation, it takes an affirmative vote in both the house and senate. so, i believe the house will stand with the american people in the results of the november 3rd election. i don't know what's going to happen in the senate now that senator hawley is making this challenge. >> and finally, before we let you go here, the president-elect joe biden is set to take office in the january 20th inauguration. we still don't know who is going to control the senate. but if mcconnell remains majority leader, he hasn't been clear about whether biden will be able to get votes on his cabinet picks early on. for example, the secretary of defense under trump, jim mattas, the first one, was confirmed the day that president trump was inaugurated. do you think that joe biden is going to get that same courtesy or not? >> he certainly deserves it as the newly elected president of the united states. we have an obligation, i think,
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personally and politically, to give him a team in place, particularly in the critical departments like the departments of defense. so, i certainly hope the same courtesy will be extended to president biden that we extended to president trump. >> all right. senator dick durbin, thank you very much for being with us today. i know you didn't expect to be working quite so much this holiday week but here we are. >> thanks, kasie. coming up next here, senator hawley is not the only one fighting over the president's loss, how some are still trying to overturn elections in congress. coming up next. up next [phone rings] "hello, how can i"
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♪ welcome back. another development today in the dangerous efforts by the president and his allies to overturn the election results. as we mentioned earlier, missouri senator josh hawley plans to object to the electoral vote certification, suggesting falsely that pennsylvania election officials ignored their own election laws. that follows a lawsuit filed earlier this week by willie gohmert and republican electors from arizona that vice president pence who will preside over the joint session has discretion over which of those votes get counted. as for the president, he is continuing his baseless claims that the election was rigged, on a quest to overturn results
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again attacking georgia peace governor and secretary of state on twitter. this comes after a day of audit of 1500 absentee ballots found no evidence of fraud. i'm joined by daniel riggleman of virginia. one of the few to call out president trump for the election. congressman, it's great to have you on "meet the press" today. there are many questions about the process simply because we have not faced a precedent for this. and the law that exists to governor the certification process is a little vague in key areas. but we potentially expect to see dozens of your colleagues in the house, be willing to object to the results of the presidential election, two specific states, to challenge the results, to speak on the floor, challenging the results. what do you say to them about what impact that has on our democracy? >> you know, politically, and
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again, thanks for having me. politically for them, it might be great for their base, for their fundraising, for things like that, but nationally, it's horrific. i find it amazing that right now we have republicans actually objects to federalism. and wanting this overthrow, sort of let's throw out the electoral voters, ignore the states who have litigated this and let's move forward. the only thing i can say it's nuts. it doesn't make any sense unless it's fundraising for a specific base. whether they want to favor the president over the next four years but really it's based on conspiracy theories. i think that's what will bothers me. is that they're throwing away federalism and what is good for the states for who they choose to represent them all for a baseless ridiculousness. i would say for a few months,
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stop, when does a scam become a coup. when do we have fantasy dictating parties as individuals and i think it's a difficult prospect down the road. >> were you surprised that senator josh hawley was willing to join in on this? and how do you view that? is that a fight generally for the country? what's your take on his willingness to go ahead with colleagues in the house? >> i think he must have talked to individuals who thought his fundraising would go higher to do this. there's three facets. number one, this is the ultimate self-licking ice cream cone. you inject this into constituents and use that to protest this. it's unbelievable. it's a self-licking ice cream cone. fundraising, people are fund raising off of fantasy and
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getting more provocative. that provocative nature can cause radicalism. and the third, it seems that josh hawley is looking for higher office. maybe he's positioning for 2024. this is all political. it has nothing to do with real law or what's good for the country it has to do with what's good for an individual. that's what we have with elected individuals. it's really about twitter followers, assuaging the twitter mobs or your electorate. instead of doing what's right and that's serving your country based on the constitution. again, that's why people are tired of politicians. like senator hawley. it's anti-federalism. i think it's not what republicans are not for. it is interesting that we're looking for a federal takeover of elections when we stand to the first vote in 2019 and hr1. it doesn't make any sense to me. >> so what you do you know about
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what kind of conversations your colleagues in the house have had with the vice president and his team? because a lot of how this all plays out and what the country is going to be subjected to on january 6th may end up resting with him. you've got willie gohmert attacking mike pence over this, literally suing him literally, to try to force his hand. can you give us any insight into what those conversations have been like? and how this may actually play out on that day. >> well, i've been with the vice president multiple times. i'm going to say this, i would be incredibly surprised if he went along with any of this. he's a man of integrity. i can't imagine he would do that. however, you look at willie gohmert and kelly ward, and specific republican parties, they seem to have an affinity for conspiracy theories. this lawsuit from him, it's not worth the paper it's written on. it's crap.
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i don't think the vice president would entertain it. this lawsuit is not going to go anywhere. but what frightens me, again, i want to emphasize this. this is being used as fundraising. it is a grist. it is to fool people to giving them money. it's like taking milk money as a bully in the schoolyard. but instead of fighting for it, you tell them that a vampire is going to come in and room and take it if you don't pay them. it's hurting the american public because it's dictating dialogue that is based on euna correspondence and big foot. and not exactly what we're doing right now which is trying to have a republic based on fact. >> big foot. congressman daniel riggleman, thank you very much for being here today. appreciate your time. and coming up ahead here, new revelations in the nashville bombing investigation. could conspiracy theories be involved? but first, our own andrea mitchell what she's learned from 2020 and her hopes for the new year. i am so thankful and grateful to the front line
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welcome back. we have new developments today in the investigation into the christmas day bombing in nashville. it now appears that the bomber, anthony warner, may have been planning this for more than a year. and the police were warned. nashville police released a police report from august of 2019, in which the bomber's girlfriend told officers that warner was building bombs in the rv trailer in his home. and in their search for a motive behind the bombing, investigators are now exploring several conspiracy theories the bomber may have believed, unconcluding one claiming powerful politicians and hollywood figures were actually lizards trying to take over the society. oh, dear. our own tom winter has been
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covering this since christmas day. and he joins us now. tom, fill us in on the latest of how and why this happened. >> reporter: right, kasie, a couple things have come up in the course of the investigations that the law enforcement and myself and my colleague mikes couldner have spoken to. it's still unclear. unclear what the particular motive will be, and it's at least several weeks away. but what investigators are starting to kind of probe and search around, the person who they believed responsible for this, anthony quinn warner, perhaps, believed in several conspiracy theories. they're asking questions and being told first off, the at&t and 5g conspiracy theories which we've covered before. obviously, the at&t building appears to be the target of this attack, certainly the seat of the blast. so that's the first one. they've asked questions about
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that. but an area where they've been told about that this person may have believed -- had beliefs in, is the idea of the reptilian theory or lizard theory, which is this completely unfounded conspiracy theory that exists online that somehow there's a group of powerful figures in hollywood, as well as powerful politicians who are in fact not human. they're reptiles or lizards. perhaps extraterrestrials who are secretly trying to take over society and are responsible for some of the worst and most tragic events in human history. some people named in this include the clintons, bob hope, justin bieber, the obamas, several others. obviously a completely unfounded conspiracy theory. but there are some indications that this individual may have believed in that. they're also looking into whether or not he took his rv to an undisclosed location in tennessee in an effort to hunt aliens. these are just some of the things that they're taking a look at. again, we'll have to see how this all shakes out.
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one thing we have been told is that the amount of digital media writings, photographs, even videos that this person had is bigger than first believed. and it could be a substantial trove that could help kind of guide the fbi into this what is increasingly appears to be a very confused and conspiracy-believing mind of this person anthony quinn warner. so that's something they're continuing to go through. while they may wrap up that crime scene this week, that blast site, kasie, it appears there's a lot more work they need to do to try to figure out why this person got to this point and set off this large bomb. >> very scary. all right, tom winter, thank you very much for your reporting. >> thank you. >> we know you'll be staying on the story for us. we'll see you again soon. and coming up here, is the pandemic costing cancer patients the care they need? an important warning about a threat we cannot ignore, even during covid. keeping your oysters business growing
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welcome back. the coronavirus crisis situation in hospitals is affecting more than just covid patients and their care givers. some non-covid patients are at risk of not getting the help they need. colon cancer screenings dropped
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by 76%. breast cancer is the second deadliest form of cancer for women in the united states with one in eight women developing in in the course of their lifetime. we spoke with ali rogan about this issue. she is author of "beat breast cancer like a boss." chuck spoke to her about the book and what she learned in the course of writing it and how covid is changing cancer care. watch. >> i didn't fully appreciate that not everybody sees their breast cancer journey in the same way. what i mean by that is a lot of women, and as i expected many women in this book viewed it as they're all survivors to one extent or another. living having gone through this or they are living with the disease. but there are a lot of women in
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this community who really still have a hard time with this disease even in the years after they have gone through it. the mental scars, the emotional scars, can last a lifetime. people going in to get their annual checkouts experience scanxiety that can be debill stating. i don't think i fully appreciated that. >> what did you notice generationally. you spoke to some people that are no longer with us. did you notice some generational situations in how the woman you talked talked to handled this? >> yes, the difference is the willingness to be open, transparent, and to share with people. i think there has been a taboo that until very recently existed
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when it came to cancer in general and particularly when it comes to breast cancer. it is such an emotionally charged part of the body. it can be frankly viewed as a personal thing. but i think that young er women are more willing to share their experiences because they know there is strength in sharing our stories. there is strength in being able to commiserate with people doing the same thing. i think that lead to a wonderful erosion to those taboos that is a great generation rational achievement. >> so one of the things that i have seen is at least some improvement in how health insurance handles things like this, but there is still laws on the books that could be added to
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give women more more comfort. >> i think the covid-19 crisis lead to a really critical aspect in the health care experience. and i think it is loptiz sided. we're talking about access to kwaugs care and clinical trials that particularly black people have. it is a very overdue conversation in terms of the federal response and the private sector if is something that advocates in the space have been shouting for generations. the health december parties were staggering. black women are 40% more likely to die of breast cancer than white women. that is a shocking statistic and one that i think that while there have been tremendous
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advances in ensuring that breast cancer is not the across the board killer of women its once was, those advances are not being applied equally in the black community. >> i want today end this on the ton of progress. my mother survived it and she had it very late in life, and they have diagnosed it late in life and it is not as lethal as it would have been we made some advances, how much of that is access to preventive care. >> preventive care is one of the most important elements. they are done in later stage breast cancers.
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however, when it comes to preventive care it is so critical that people are getting those routine mammograms that they're speaking up if they see something that is unusual that they know they're breast density. some women that have dense breasts it's not enough to get a mammogram, but you need an ul a ultrasound. it's causing so many people to put off, and we can talk more about it but the covid crisis. it is causing people to put off preventive screenings even that is a whole new problem. if your viewers take away one thing get back on the books. make the preventive appointments, cancer doesn't care if we're in the middle of a global pandemic. >> that is a very good reminder
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right there. take care of yourselves. thank you to all of you for being with us this hour. catch me tomorrow and every morning on "way too early." don't go anywhere because coverage continues with katy tur after the break. e coverage continues with katy tur after the break.
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