and major david shannon, his remains will spend eternity here just down the road from home in the old military graveyard under the black prairie sod and the wind. >> that's all for this edition of "dateline." i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. it was just solving the problem. >> that's what she did, solve problems. as a busy mom and a business executive. but as her career was on the rise, her marriage was on the rocks. >> i still wanted this marriage to work. i didn't want to give up. >> soon he was gone. vanished without a word or a trace. >> he left a young daughter behind. he left a house. >> was this a husband who didn't want to be found? >> that doesn't sound like a missing person. >> no, it doesn't. >> or could this be something else? >> there was something very

wrong. >> detectives would launch an undercover operation. >> it's time to come clean, okay? >> that would lead to a long buried shocker. >> are you ready for what's coming? >> how do you say you're ready for that? i know that it has to happen. >> a disappearance in the desert. could it be the perfect crime? >> i can only imagine what it would be like keeping that type of a secret. welcome to "dateline." i'm lester holt. for eight years it was a mystery. a husband who had simply vanished. on the surface it didn't make sense. he had a wife, a lucrative job, a daughter he loved. but investigators were told he also had a secret. so was he missing or was he hiding? that question would lead detectives to a dark discovery because someone else had a secret too.

here's josh mankiewicz. >> there's an old saying that two people can keep a secret if one of them is dead. >> we never talked about what happened or why it happened. >> every marriage has its secrets. and this one was no different. but what if the secret becomes bigger than you? >> i was just solving the problem. >> they were two people who'd been unlucky in love the first time around. back then she was ellen sheffield in her early 30s, divorced with a young child. and looking for someone to share that next chapter of her life. and then quite literally in walked mike snyder. >> and i said hi, mike, how are you doing? >> it was the fall of '91. auto mechanic mike snyder was visiting a friend at the car dealership where ellen worked.

he was curious about the redhead who'd greeted him with a big hello. >> he didn't remember who i was. but he got back to work and called back over to find out who i was. >> turned out they'd worked together years before. this time the quick encounter led to a fixup by mutual friends. >> great guy. you know, showed interest in me. >> opposites attracted. the quiet introverted mike hit it off with the talkative outgoing ellen. >> he'd leave flowers on my car. we'd go out to dinner. he was nice to my son. >> and that was important to you? >> it was very important to me. absolutely. >> and ellen herself was smitten with mike. he was a skilled mechanic, regarded as one of the best in albuquerque. >> he probably worked at least six days a week. he was usually the first one there and the last one to leave. >> dave siler worked alongside mike for a decade at this jeep

dealership. >> if you owned a jeep and it was an older jeep, mike could fix it. he had a wealth of experience with the jeep product. >> and that wealth of experience earned mike a six-figure salary. >> were you happy for his success? >> absolutely. it was a proud thing to say that oh, yeah, mike snyder's my boyfriend. >> ellen was making a name for herself too. she was the automotight mo auto adviser at a neighboring dealership. >> there's a perception that women don't know about cars the way men do. >> that's right. that irritates me to no end. >> but ellen knew a lot, not just about cars but how to make the customer happy. mechanic jim hurtado calls her a problem solver. >> you know, what can we do to fix the problem, make it go away? all she wanted to do is take care of the customer. >> this problem solver was a rising star at work. and as for her personal life, well, ellen's was running on all cylinders. >> six weeks after we started dating he bought me diamond

earrings for christmas. so it was all very fast. >> so fast that after only a few months of dating ellen and her 8-year-old son michael moved in with mike. >> did he seem like he was ha y happy? >> he did seem like he was happy. he did. >> mike had no children of his own. now he was filling a void in young michael's life. mike's sister, terry. >> he treated him almost like his own son. they shared a lot of the same interests. they would tinker in the garage together. >> but it wasn't long until ellen says she noticed that mike's affection wasn't all she'd wished for. >> i'm all happy that we're going to have valentine's day together, we're in love, and he doesn't come home. he decided he was going to go out with his friends. >> on valentine's day? >> on valentine's day. he couldn't understand why i was upset about that. >> but let's face it, not every guy makes a big deal out of valentine's day. and so ellen chalked it up to simply mike not being the most sensitive of men.

>> made you sad? >> i'm not sure sad's the right word for it. i think i was a little confused at the time. >> confused or not, they stayed together. and a few years later they married. and then ellen became pregnant. they began to build a 4,000-square-foot house in an upscale subdivision in the foothills of albuquerque's sandia mountains. >> that house was our dream house. >> it was ready just in time for the baby. only mike wasn't ready. he wanted to stay at work on the day ellen was giving birth. >> so i called his boss. i said, well, i'm in the hospital having a baby. he says, well, mike's here. i said, yeah. he is. do you think you could send him? >> once again, maybe not the most sensitive husband. but mike loved that baby girl. they named her elizabeth. >> she was just the joy of my brother's life. he just thought the world of that child. >> ellen would come by the

dealership and bring elizabeth by. mike would get her a balloon, candy, soda, and just, you know, give his time to her. everything else stopped. >> but behind closed doors mike and ellen's marriage was starting to unravel. ellen said mike seemed jealous of her success at work. >> once i was promoted to service manager it basically became hurtful and he was standoffish. >> ellen says that from the time elizabeth was conceived mike had moved out of the bedroom. permanently. >> we never slept together again. >> and so mike and ellen began living two separate lives in that dream home with their children. but still they stayed together. >> i still wanted this marriage to work. i didn't want to give up. >> that is, until she learned about that secret. the big secret that would ultimately tear this family apart.

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on the outside you'd look at our marriage, it was just great marriage, great family, made lots of money. you go in that door, that's not how it was. >> ellen snyder says it had been eight years. >> he made the rules. >> he made the rules. >> you followed them. >> eight years in a marriage that was neither equal nor loving. >> and you were afraid to stand up to him? >> absolutely. >> eight years of living a lie to the outside world in that big home that she and her husband mike had worked so hard to build. but ellen wouldn't leave, determined to make her marriage work. >> i wasn't going to be a

failure at another marriage. >> mike hung on as well. but his sister teri says mike was thinking of ending it. >> i believe he was in the process of trying to leave her. he was moving belongings to my mother's house. >> mike and ellen's daughter elizabeth was now 6 years old and very much daddy's little girl. and michael, ellen's son from her first marriage, was 17, a high school junior. how was mike as a father toward michael? >> the older michael got the more harsh he was with him. >> then mike snyder got sick and life in the home grew much worse for just about everyone in the snyder family. >> his body would go numb. he would pass out. he was in severe pain. >> it was the summer of 2001 when mike went to see a doctor. >> the doctor came in and said we believe it is an onsetting case of multiple sclerosis. >> multiple sclerosis.

there's no cure and it can range from managing the disease to paralysis and even death. mike was put on medication to slow the disease. ellen gave him the shots. >> you know, it was my place. i was his wife. i was to take cake of him. >> as time went on, mike's work colleagues like chuck wyatt noticed a physically weaker mike. >> he was just kind of struggling to make it through the day. we weren't told what actually he had or what was going on but he was not coming in to work as often or every day. >> when he couldn't work at the level he expected of himself, mike went on disability. >> he was really starting to face it and try to understand how his life was going to be with m.s. >> which only added more stress to his marriage. >> i'm sure my brother was going through incredible emotional turmoil about his physical condition.

>> maybe that was the reason mike began waking ellen up in the middle of the night. to vent his anger. >> there was yelling and demeaning and calling names. telling me how worthless i was. he didn't want to necessarily have the big fights in front of elizabeth. so he would wake me up generally 2:00, 3:00 in the morning. >> and yell at you? >> and yell at me. >> of course she was careful not to tell her colleagues this. ellen was boss to a bunch of men and she says she feared if she showed a single chink in her emotional armor she would never again be effective. >> they see you're emotional or that becomes the focus. it's all about the woman thing. >> and they won't respect you anymore. >> right. >> but she did say aloud that now that mike was sick she'd be there for him. as she'd promised. through the good times and the bad. >> she asked to see him through this. she says what kind of wife would i be? >> in sickness and in health. >> right.

she wasn't going to leave him. >> but ellen says he had no problem leaving her. in fact, mike was spending more and more time away from ellen and his family. he was going back and forth between albuquerque and phoenix. that's where jeep held its continuing education classes in auto mechanics. >> he still wanted to go to training because he had been going to training all along through his work history. >> but a two-day trip became three days, then four days, then a week. ellen was becoming increasingly suspicious of exactly what mike was doing on those long trips away from his family and from her. >> and i felt hurt and betrayed that i had gone along all this time being the good wife for his m.s. >> then one night, mike was in the shower and his cell phone was sitting there on the table next to ellen. curiosity, she says, got the better of her. she picked up his phone and

opened it. >> so you listened to the messages. >> i listened to his messages. >> and what a shock that was. one message in particular from a man she'd never heard mike mention. someone named dave simmons, a man ellen believed was the reason mike was spending so much time in phoenix. >> he would talk about how satisfied he was with their sexual contact. he would be explicit as to what each had done to each other. >> so there really wasn't any question -- >> there wasn't any question. >> -- what was going on here. >> no, none. >> it was january 11th, 2002. ellen says like so many nights before mike woke her for their nightly screaming match. this one was at around 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning. ellen, who had never directly confronted mike about anything, now told him she knew all about

the aware that mike was having with dave simmons, the man from phoenix who left the explicit voice messages on mike's cell phone. there was, ellen says, a heated argument and then mike left the next morning. at the jeep dealership where mike worked colleagues knew only that he'd been out sick for a while. >> we didn't know if it was cancer or he'd come back or not come back. we had no idea. >> this was like losing the star player. >> pretty much, yes. >> but mike's tool box was still at work, worth around $40,000. so everyone assumed he'd return. that is, until ellen broke the news about mike leaving town. >> i'd ask ellen, so how's mike doing? she said, well, mike moved to phoenix, or arizona. he's living in arizona. >> it was all so puzzling to mike's family. they could understand why mike wasn't talking to ellen, but why wasn't he talking to them? their calls went straight to voice mail.

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perhaps the loneliest place on earth is in the middle of a bad marriage, which was exactly where ellen snyder found herself. but in the early-morning hours of january 11th, 2002, that came to an end. she had confronted her husband mike snyder with her knowledge of his love affair with another man and in a rage, she says, mike left his home and his family and disappeared. >> it was so calm in the house. it had been a very long, lonely time. to be married and to be lonely every day. and that loneliness was gone. >> but what disappeared along with mike was ellen's second marriage, which she says she fought so hard to save.

now it had failed, just like her first. on the plus side, she said, mike was no longer there to torment her, to belittle her and shout at her. your husband wasn't waking you up in the middle of the night to yell at you now. >> right. >> just you and the kids now. >> just me and the kids. >> ellen says she tried to reach him but couldn't, and neither could mike's family. he wasn't returning their calls either. mike's sister, teri. so your mother calls and you says i haven't heard from michael in a couple of weeks. >> right. >> and you're thinking his m.s. is getting -- >> well, we were concerned. >> she said she knew that mike was planning to leave ellen soon the whole family knew that much or assumed it. but he wasn't supposed to leave everyone. >> he would have never done that to his mother. he would have at least given her, look, i don't want to be contacted. please give me my space but i am okay. >> at work mechanic jim hurtado said his wife, ellen, seemed more relax,ed as if a weight had been lifted from her shoulders.

>> she seemed happier. she seemed more content, kind of more at a ease. >> and unbeknownst to ellen her collapsing marriage was the topic of office gossip. >> she didn't want anybody to know what was going on in her life. >> she didn't talk about her marriage, but other people did. >> yeah. >> what they said was what, it one working? >> they said mike was a hot head. >> mike had a reputation at work for having a hot temper, for being intimidating. mechanic dave siler worked with him for a decade. >> there was a lot of tension. you could just feel it from him. and a lot of people were very careful around him, what they say, what they did. >> because mike's fuse could blow and when it did you didn't want to be around. >> he could blow up at dispatchers and service advisers and the dispatcher would be

crying. >> so it didn't come as a big surprise when ellen announced that mike had left her. >> he makd up his stuff and moved to phoenix. >> probably going to end up living in phoenix. the marriage must be over. >> the rumors spread through the albuquerque auto business, quicker than the latest recall. >> mike had left town. took the money out of the house, took all of these things and just disappeared. and then later on i was hearing rumors that he was gay, had a male lover, went to the caribbean. >> do you have any idea who the source of these rumors was? >> no. everybody heard it and it was just passed along throughout the dealerships. >> did you believe it? >> disappearing? that was kind of -- that was one thing. but being gay, no. >> several months passed with no word from mike. now his side of the family was so concerned they decided to go to the police. >> i knew at some point we had

to -- we had to move on. we had to not just hope that he was out there, but had to at least explore other options. >> down at the albuquerque police station, sister teri filed a missing person's report. she had a feeling that something had happened to her brother. it was one thing to leave a bad marriage, but quite another to end contact with the daughter mike loved. >> i know my brother remained steadfast in his love for his daughter. she was just the joy of my brother's life. i believed he fell victim to foul play. i really did not have a concrete explanation besides that's just how i felt. that was my gut. >> but teri wasn't too pleased with the response the officer gave them. >> the officer that took our report was a little arrogant and said, you know, he's a grown adult and that he can come and go as he pleases. so he really at that time didn't even want to write our report. >> the police are essentially

making the same argument ellen was making. >> right. >> mike snyder's name was entered in to a national missing persons database but there was not much else the police could do or frankly would do. former albuquerque police chief ray schultz. >> it's not against the law to be a missing person unless there is suspicious circumstances. >> and chief shultz was right in saying that mike was totally within his rights to walk out and cut off ties with everyone in his life. the people he loved, the people he no longer loved. and so the investigation was limited to that of a missing person. winter 2002 turned to spring. no one heard from mike snyder. his expensive mechanic's tools lay unused at work. ellen, now a single mom, filed for divorce. she was awarded the house, the money in their joint account, and sole custody of their daughter elizabeth. >> when your daughter, mike's

daughter, would say to you, where's daddy? what would you say? >> i didn't know. that he had left because he was mad at mommy. >> a year after mike left her, ellen said she could no longer afford that home they built together. now that she only had her salary. so she sold the house and she and her kids, michael and elizabeth, moved to a much smaller one. it was fall 2003 when ellen received a follow-up call from the albuquerque police department. the investigator wanted to know if she had spoken with mike. >> and you say what? >> i say that i don't consider him missing. that he is right where he wants to be. that he left me with this gay boyfriend and that i haven't heard from him since. >> police seemed to find it understandable that perhaps ellen didn't really care much about mike's whereabouts at that point. >> they never asked me any more questions. >> ever show up at your house?

>> nope. >> whatever suspicions mike's side of the family had police apparently didn't share them. and so with a few computer key strokes and without the family's knowledge or any further investigation, mike snyder's name was literally wiped out of the national missing persons database. ellen had said he was not missing. and back then that was good enough for the police. >> there should have been obviously a little bit more investigation done other than just the word of ellen snyder. >> so all this time that you thought police were looking for him, turns out they weren't looking for him at all? >> they weren't looking for him at all. >> "dateline" returns after the break. robinhood believes now is the time to do money.

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with just two democrats voting for another representative. now back to "dateline." we would call missing persons and they would say someone would get back with us. so i believe almost in a three-year span we had little to no contact with the police department. and -- >> turns out they weren't even looking for him most of the time. >> right. and during that time he was not even in the database. >> it was now 2005. it had been three years since mike snyder left his home, his family, his whole life in albuquerque. no one had heard from the master mechanic, not even his little girl, who was now 9 carries oyea third-grader. >> that was one big red flag for me and maybe the leading one because i knew there would be no way my brother would have ever left his daughter, ever. >> at the jeep dealership where mike worked for ten years, his

name was rarely mentioned in conversation. >> after three or four years of mike being gone, it didn't come up too much anymore. >> we knew he was sick. we didn't really know if he was still in a hospital somewhere or if he had actually just passed away from his illness. >> his tools were no longer lying there unused. ellen's son michael was using them. he had followed in mike's shoes and had become a mechanic as well. and on those rare occasions when ellen would come by the shop where mike had once worked, his old colleague dave siler would ask -- >> have you heard from mike and she would say no. there seemed to be no concern for mike and she would just like no, i haven't seen mike. >> it is often said the happiness and saddest of occasions bring mike's family together. and when mike's family gathered to mourn the death of mike's father, any hope they had left for mike's return evaporated.

>> that definitely was probably the final straw where we were all on board that my brother would have definitely have shown up for his own father's funeral. >> but ellen and her children did show up. they no longer kept in touch with mike's side of the family, but they'd seen the death announcement in the newspaper and came to pay their respects. >> we weren't expecting them. so it was a little strange, kind of caught us off guard but once again we are in a state of mourning. we don't want to create any kind of issues. we certainly weren't going to have them escorted out. >> after all, mike's deceased father was the grandfather to elizabeth and stepgrandfather to ellen's son michael. >> we let them come up to the cask casket, you know, have their bereavement time. and then all of a sudden we noticed that michael was just hysterical, just crying uncontrollably. and at that point my sister and i are just looking at each other and poking each other thinking, what? >> michael cried so hysterically that his mother ellen had to

escort the 20-year-old out of the room. >> were he and your father close? >> not close, per se. i mean he was no closer to my father than he was my mother. so it was a very odd occurrence that we all took note of. >> there was something else that teri remembers about that day. something that enraged her. >> ellen at some point comes up to my sister and asks about my father's will. and wanted to know if there was anything in the will provision for his daughter, for mike's daughter. >> and she's asking about money. >> and she's asking about money. >> and the more she thought about it, the more teri had a sinking feeling that ellen knew something about mike's disappearance. >> she certainly wasn't acting like a woman who was trying to find the father of her child, and we could not understand why she didn't seem the least bit concerned about her child not having her father.

>> it just didn't make sense to mike's side of the family. they pleaded with police to take a fresh look at the case. and in the spring of 2005, the albuquerque police agreed. mark wilson, then a cold case detective, was assigned. >> the department said yes, we'll look in to it. it's been three years. he left a young daughter behind. he left a house. >> the detective began digging for any information on the missing mechanic. did any record of him exist? >> first, we look into obviously the criminal end to see if he had maybe been stopped or maybe there might be a police report on him somewhere. >> and there's nothing. >> right. there's nothing. we also look in to the fact could he be dead somewhere. >> checked the medical investigators office and he's not there. >> right, he's not there. then i started looking in to see if there might be any indication of financial records that might indicate he was working somewhere, and there was -- once

again we came into a dead end there. >> but the detective did discover one very curious thing. it turns out mike snyder filed state tax returns in 2004 and 2005. years after his disappearance. >> that doesn't sound like a missing person. >> no, it doesn't. >> what that sounds like to me, off the top of my head, is a guy who doesn't particularly want to be found. >> it suggests the possibility that he might be alive. >> is your brother the kind of person who would either know how to or want to sort of live off the grid? >> he certainly had the financial means. did he have the know-how? i wouldn't think so. i don't know what it takes to live underground so to speak and be a person of a different identity. i don't know if he would even have considered something like that. >> could mike snyder be hiding, not missing? and if so why and from whom?

>> coming up, the search for mike from the caribbean -- >> that's where he was with dave simmons? >> correct. >> to his own backyard. >> the neighbor said she remembered michael and ellen digging out behind the garage, digging a hole. >> when "dateline" continues. finish quantum with activeblu technology, cleans without pre-rinsing. switch to finish and skip the rinse to save water.

out here in the new mexico desert, the land is dry and vast. there are roads that lead nowhere, and mysteries that go unsolved. cold case detective mark wilson had been trying to unravel one of those mysteries, the disappearance of albuquerque native mike snyder. >> he could have had a successful job anywhere in the country. >> one that would have shown up on your search. >> right. yes. >> but there was no trace of him. not anywhere. it was as if the master mechanic had simply vanished. >> there wasn't any indication of anything that would match up to him. >> but mike snyder had filed income tax returns in 2004 and 2005, years after he disappeared. it was quite simply very, very odd. with the investigation seeming to stall, detective wilson called the local paper, the "albuquerque journal" asking if they would file a story on the

cold case. maybe the attention would shake loose some leads. jeff practicality proctor was a reporter with the paper. >> police were willing to say publicly that they believed this may have been a homicide. >> it's no secret that in any homicide investigation, the spouse is always the first to be questioned. but before the detective had a chance to reach out to ellen, she was calling him, complaining about that article. >> and she said, where did you get this information? she was upset that it portrayed that he was just an innocent man, father that had disappeared. >> the article didn't implicate you. >> yes, it did. >> i read it. it doesn't like lay the blame at your feet. >> yes, it does. >> what did she tell you? >> she and mike had had a heated discussion and the next morning

when she woke up he was gone and he hadn't taken a vehicle. >> ellen told the detective she was pretty sure initially mike had moved to phoenix, home of his lover dave simmons, but more recently she believed he'd moved on to the caribbean. >> she said he's probably on an island somewhere. >> we had looked at land on st. croix. as far as i knew, i figured he had gone to st. croix. >> and that that's where he was with dave simmons. >> correct. >> in fact, ellen said she had actually spoken with mike over the years. >> mike had called a couple of times. you heard his voice? >> yes. >> and that wherever he was, he was maybe not angry at you anymore but at least the two of you were talking in a sort of non-angry way about the kids? >> i think we were still angry. i think i told him we were still angry. >> but that he was gone and he wasn't coming back. >> right. >> mike's sister teri hadn't yet learned about mike's relationship with the mysterious dave simmons or about the accusation that her brother was

secretly gay. ellen didn't share any of that with teri until a few years after mike had disappeared. she told other people about it at the time. >> not us. she didn't seem to throw that out to us at first. >> any of that make any sense to you? >> oh, goodness, no. i don't believe for one minute that my brother is gay. >> that was only one of the components to ellen's story that detective wilson wanted to check out. he says he asked ellen to come down to the police department to meet with him in person. only she wouldn't. she said he's not missing. we said we want to find him and even asking her to come in to help us find him. she would not come in. >> and so ellen and detective wilson never did meet face to face. she claims she was giving him all of the information you had. you weren't giving him what he needed. he wanted to meet with you. >> he never said that. >> he says he did. >> he never, ever asked me to come down. ever.

>> instead ellen mailed the detective some paperwork that she'd found in mike's desk. a western union money transfer from mike snyder to dave simmons in the amount of $200. a u-haul receipt with dave simmons' name and number. and a copy of mike's cell phone bill from december 2001, right before he disappeared, which showed a number of phone calls to that same telephone number. >> you gave detective wilson all the documentation you had on dave simmons? >> yes. >> unfortunately ellen no longer had the voice mail, the one she claims to have discovered on mike's cell phone. the sexually explicit one from dave simmons. >> i mean, the only proof they had a relationship are the voice mails which don't exist anymore. >> well, i think people, if they knew mike, would know that he would never send anybody money ever unless there was some sort of relationship there.

>> mike was supporting this guy? >> i never found enough money that he was supporting him but he was definitely helping him out. >> police tell us ellen's information didn't lead anywhere. the detective didn't locate mike in the caribbean and when he tried to contact dave simmons from phoenix he never got a response. but that same "albuquerque journal" article, the one that so infuriated ellen, also got ellen's former neighbors talking about something they had seen years before. >> they'd seen michael and ellen digging out behind the garage, digging a hole. >> when was that? >> around the time that michael went missing. the neighbor said she remembered seeing them out behind the garage with shovels. >> and that was pretty intriguing to the detective. it sounded like a viable lead. so in late spring 2006, with the current homeowner's permission, detective wilson brought two search dogs and their handlers

to the snyders' old property. a neighbor showed them where a flowering tree had been planted in 2002, a year after mike disappeared. >> my suspicion was that there was a body under the tree. that they planted a tree to hide the body. >> the handlers let the dogs loose on the property. at first they showed little interest, that is, until they went under the flowering tree. incredibly, both dogs independently of one another gave their cadaver alert. >> the dog handler said this is an indication that possibly the scent is coming up through the tree. but she did say that, well, the body could be 10 feet down here or 30 feet over that direction. if indeed there was a body there. >> detective wilson had a new theory. maybe mike snyder had never actually left home after all. was this the big break the case needed? the detective discussed it with mike's sister.

>> and of course i get both excited, intrigued, anxious, and i start asking him a bunch of questions. >> the team tried to dig deeper but the ground was hard. >> what did you find? >> we didn't find anything and the dogs didn't -- they weren't excited about the hole itself. >> and soon the trail went cold. the tip had seemed like gold, and mike's sister teri was crushed. the detective was deflated. >> i had to think that, well, there's a possibility that maybe his body was somewhere else. i did have a feeling that michael snyder was dead somewhere. >> the digging here was over. but metaphorically, at least, detective wilson still held a shovel. he was trying to get to the bottom of what ellen snyder had been doing around the time her husband mysteriously disappeared. and it wasn't long before he found someone ellen worked with who had offered some very unusual help. >> the co-worker said i have a gun if you would like to use it, if that will help.

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it had been four years since mike snyder had gone missing. four years since he'd left his family including his young daughter in his hometown of albuquerque, new mexico. in 2006 the "albuquerque journal" ran an article on the missing mechanic and father. the cold case, which had been virtually dead for years, was suddenly picking up steam. reporter jeff proctor. >> it triggered some tips to the police department, and it got people, you know, talking about this as something other than a husband who had walked off on his family. >> for the first time albuquerque police were publicly calling the case a homicide investigation, and that caught the attention of a man named frank.

>> he said, i'm the one who lent her the gun. and if you think she's a suspect in this, i don't want my family in danger, so i want to turn the gun over to you. >> frank was retired military. a straight by-the-book guy who had befriended ellen snyder when they worked together in 2001. >> she was telling people that he yells at her all the time. >> it was christmas 2001. ellen says the daily fighting in the snyder home had escalated. mike's multiple sclerosis had grown progressively worse and with it so had his anger. >> he would push me around. he would -- you know, he hit me. >> he hit you how many times? one time? >> three or four. >> ellen now held an executive-level position at a large dealership. she was the boss to 30 mechanics and make upwards of $90,000 a year.

>> she'd put your feet to the fire. you'd make sure you get the job done and move on. >> she was no pushover. >> no pushover. >> she stood up for herself. >> right. >> but inside the walls of the nice home ellen's rank was near the bottom. >> he became very condescending, controlling, where i could go, who i could see. >> at home mike made the rules and ellen obeyed them. you had a significant executive job at a big company. >> yes. >> so you are not some little shrinking violet who's home cowering under her husband's direction. >> but when it came to being home and opening that door i was that shrinking violet. that's how things were. he ran the show. it was two different ellens, two different lives. >> detective wilson interviewed ellen's old boss, a man named james cassel. he told the detective he remembered an incident when ellen came to work with bruises.

>> she was wearing her sunglasses. i said why are you wearing sunglasses? so she finally took off her sunglasses and she had a nice big old shiner. i asked her, i said what the heck happened to you? she had stated to me that supposedly mike and michael got into some big old battle and mike was beating the crap out of him, so she jumped in the middle of it and of course she took the brunt of it. >> was she giving the classic battered wife's explanation for her bruises? a few days later, cassell says he heard yelling coming from ellen's office. >> i hear world war iii breaking loose in the office next to me. there was a guy screaming in there. >> turns out the loud, angry voice belonged to none other than mike snyder. >> he's standing on this side of the desk. she's standing on her side of the desk. and he's just screaming and he stops when i barge in and he looks at me.

i told him, i said, you know, you can't do this here and he basically told me i needed to mind my own f'in business. >> her colleague frank, having nothing but good intentions, volunteered to loan ellen a .32-caliber semi-automatic pistol. >> showed her how to use it, explained a bunch of things to her. you know, it was a ten-minute, please don't shoot yourself lesson. >> i never had one before. he offered me a gun after he saw my bruises. i took it home and put it in the back of the closet. >> why not just gather up the kids and leave? >> it was christmastime. i had a 6-year-old daughter. >> detective wilson checked for any police reports of domestic abuse or calls to 911. he found none. >> did they have altercations throughout their marriage? i would imagine. most couples do. but i have never seen any violent temper in my brother. >> you know there are no documented visits of the police to your house. >> i know that. >> it was a few months later when ellen returned the gun to

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his family, his friends, his co-workers. no one had seen mike snyder. had his illness grown worse? had he moved to another city with another man, as his wife, ellen, claimed? now, after all this time, someone is about to step forward from the shadows to say he knows exactly what happened to mike snyder. mystery over or just beginning? here again, josh mankiewicz. >> mike snyder had been missing for eight long years. his family didn't know where he

was. and the detective investigating the case had a hunch that mike's wife, ellen, was somehow involved. a co-worker of ellen's came forward, saying he had loaned ellen his gun and that when she returned it a few months later there were no bullets. >> he looked at it, he looked at her, he said, where's the bullets? >> ellen said she went to a gun range with a friend, who showed her how to use it. and detective wilson had discovered something else. ellen had actually tried to purchase another gun at a local pawn shop one month earlier. she was turned down after a routine background check. >> and you couldn't? what happened? >> it was a fraud charge. >> what did you do that got you in trouble? >> i was working for a company that i wrote a check on. >> it turns out that in the late '80s ellen had pled guilty tome bezelment. the charges were dropped after her probation. suddenly ellen snyder's skeletons were starting to see the light of day.

and while detective wilson was doing his investigative work, mike's sister teri, a schoolteacher, was doing hers. she told the detective about a second home mortgage that ellen took out, teri claims, without mike's knowledge. >> we actually have a copy of that document, of the second mortgage. and it's clearly not my brother's signature on either line. >> that's true, ellen says. she did sign mike's name, but says mike knew all about it. the more teri thought about mike, the more she remembered his growing frustration with ellen in the months before he disappeared. >> he would intercede phone calls of collectors calling wanting to know why their credit cards were past due and all these things he had no idea of. >> these were bills he thought ellen had run up and not identity theft. >> right. >> not long after mike

disappeared, ellen found herself in debt. she had 20 creditors and owed more than $120,000 on her credit cards. did mike know about the debt before he dropped by her work? is that why mike had showed up in a rage? had he discovered the financial mess in to which she put their family? and if mike had been abusive, had ellen come to the conclusion that she could solve that problem with a gun? detective wilson was growing more and more skeptical of ellen snyd snyder's story, and so was mike's sister teri. without any real proof that ellen had something to do with mike's disappearance, there was nothing that could be done about those aching suspicions. >> there was nothing that could tangibly prove murder enough to get an arrest warrant for it until they had a body. >> and so another four years passed.

mike's sister teri became more and more dissatisfied with the progress detective wilson is making. >> i think at first he was very zealous. he felt that, you are right, a lot of this isn't adding up and i believe at first they worked very hard to find my brother. >> but as the years went by, the unknown had become unbearable for the snyder family. they wanted answers from the police. >> i think he got very upset with me that i was being pushy. our phone conversations got less and less. i would call and leave a message and my messages weren't being returned. they kind of, i think, put the case on the back burner, i believe. >> detective wilson did continue to look for mike snyder but wilson also had to focus on the 20 other cold cases that needed his attention. and then one day in 2010 came the phone call that would break this case. a confidential informant who said he knew exactly where mike snyder was.

>> where are you two going? >> going to uncle mike now. >> you'd looked in the yard, not found anything, not found mike anywhere, not been able to talk to ellen. i mean, i'm not going to say this wasn't going anywhere, but it certainly didn't seem to be pointing immediately to any resolution. >> correct. >> and that's when you get this call. >> yes. >> detective mark wilson was sitting in his office when a most unexpected call came in. the caller, a confidential source who said he had information on mike snyder. >> who was this confidential source? >> somebody that was a friend with michael sheffield. >> ellen's son. >> ellen's son. >> the man's name was patrick. a 26-year-old motorcycle technician. he and ellen's son, michael sheffield, had gone to high school together and were close friends. >> he'd been living with me in

my house with my son for months. they were living there rent-free. >> out of the goodness of your heart. >> because it was michael friend, yeah. he was a good kid. they needed this break. >> not only was he michael sheffield's good friend, patrick was also ellen's employee at the rns kawasaki motorcycle dealership where she was now working as the service manager. >> my boss was giving me a lot of heat about patrick's productivity and his comebacks. so he told me in december that i needed to let him go but he wanted to wait until after christmas. i actually kept him much longer than i would have because he was a friend. >> the first week of january 2010 ellen fired patrick. she could not have known just how life altering that decision would be. >> what did he say? >> didn't say too much. just loaded up his stuff and left. >> of course ellen didn't know

that patrick knew the secret. >> and he went to the police. >> and he went to the police. >> and now patrick was sitting in a starbucks with detective wilson letting him in on the eight-year-old secret. >> so he didn't come forward out of the good neves his heart or civic duty. this was revenge. >> yes. >> but you'll take it. >> yes. >> patrick told the detective that mike snyder had been killed and his body was buried in the yard of the snyders' former home. and how did patrick know this? his best friend michael had told him and on more than one occasion. >> he said the next day he told him about it and then over the years if they were together drinking or something that he would break down and tell him again the story. >> you believe him? >> yes. >> so this is one more person pointing you to the backyard. >> yes. >> but you had already looked

there. >> yes. >> this seemed very believable, this information, and it really corroborated what we had suspected. >> patrick agreed to cooperate with police. he drove an under cover police vehicle with a hidden microphone to michael's home and told him they needed to speak privately. patrick said the police had contacted him about the disappearance of mike snyder, and he didn't know what to do. >> they are really freaking me out. and i just wanted to come to you and what the [ bleep ] do i say or not say, you know? they are at my house for like two hours. so i just need to know from you what i should do. >> tell them you don't know anything. >> i just don't want them to get -- >> i know how to handle myself. >> i'm just scared. because they seem to like know a lot of things, too. >> like what? >> they were saying something about hearing gunshots and they were also saying they might know

what the weapon is. >> you still have that? >> no. >> good. >> what do you want me to tell them when they come next week, or if they want to give out your number and stuff like that. should i give it to them? >> yeah. >> okay. >> then came the big question. the one the police had coached patrick to ask. >> is he still there? >> as far as i know. under a big slab of concrete. >> it was now time for detective wilson to pay a visit to michael sheffield, ellen snyder's son. mike snyder's stepson. and to begin to unravel an 8-year-old mystery. >> you wouldn't happen to have some place we could sit down and talk, would you? >> coming up -- the interrogation begins. >> michael, it's time to come clean. okay? >> can they get at the truth after all these years? >> i can only imagine what it would be like keeping that type of a secret.

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♪ it was friday, january 29th, 2010. and it was business as usual in the service department at this albuquerque saab dealership located on the west side of town. that is, until detective mark wilson and three of his colleagues from the cold case team showed up. >> you wouldn't happen to have some place we can sit down and talk, would you? thought i'd chat with you a bit. >> they were there to speak with 25-year-old mechanic michael sheffield, ellen snyder's son, mike snyder's stepson. >> he didn't seem to be surprised that the police showed up at his work and he said, sure, we have a break room we can talk in. and so we went to his break room and we conducted an interview with him there.

>> we are going to ask you questions. all right? that we already know the answers to. you knew this day was coming ever since you were 17 years old. how you answer the questions and your honesty here is really going to change your life from this moment on. okay? all right. detective wilson here has been investigating the disappearance of your stepfather. >> why don't you tell me right now that you know what happened to your stepdad, michael snyder. michael snyder who helped to raise you. >> at first, michael tells the same story that ellen has told since the day michael disappeared. >> remember what i told you. that's what your mother told you. think of when you were 17 years old and what you woke up to one

night. are you pretty sure that's what you want your statement to be to the district attorney? we're not going to find his body out there. michael, it's time to come clean. it's over. >> i am. >> as far as i'm concerned, he left us. he left my sister and i. you know what it's like trying to raise her? i was 17, she had no father figure anymore. it was me. >> he said as far as i know he ran off with a guy and left my mother and sister and i behind. and denied that he knew anything. >> so he's still telling the story he's been telling six, seven years. >> we have information, all right? that you assisted your mom in burying your stepfather in this back yard. >> no. >> no? you think we're here by chance?

you think we're making this up? >> i don't know where you got your information, but i would never -- no. that's a terrible crime. >> repeatedly the detective tells michael that it's time for him to confess. >> i need you to be honest with us. i need you to right here on this picture show us where you buried the body. >> i didn't bury a body. >> yeah, you did. >> how long did it take him to come off that story? >> after we told him that we had information that he knew where the body was and went a little further and told him that we heard him talking about it, he came forward after we showed him that we had evidence. >> tell us what happened and exactly where you buried the body. >> the detectives have broken him and the story came spilling out after eight years of lies.

it was early morning, january 2002, michael said, when he woke to the sound of gunshots and he called 911. >> he must have hung up just in time because there's no record of a 911 call from the snyder home that day. a few days later in a second interview, michael told police this. >> my mom tells me what had happened. >> what did she tell you? >> she told me she'd shot him in defense. she was scared. >> okay. >> told me she shouldn't have done it, sorry, but could you help me with this. and i was scared at the time and didn't know what to do. >> and so, he says, he

reluctantly helped his mother wrap mike snyder's dead body in a waterproof tarp, place it in a hole in the back yard, and put some construction waste on top of it. >> what's going through your mind at this time? >> i don't want to get caught. i don't want to go to jail. what am i doing? >> and michael told detectives about the breakdown he had a at mr. snyder's funeral. the one that the snyder family thought was so peculiar. >> i couldn't handle it. i had a breakdown then. so we leave. the family was staring at me and she's outside talking to me. she said is this my fault? is this about what happened? and i don't remember saying anything back. >> okay. >> but now it was. it was about that. >> i had the feeling that he was glad to finally get it off of his chest. he broke down somewhat. i can only imagine what it would be like keeping that type of

secret. >> the detective showed michael photographs of the snyders' property as it looked in 2002. and had michael circle where he believed his step father's body was buried. >> did michael believe he was on the hook legally for his part in this? >> i think he probably knew that he was. he knew he was an accomplice in the case. >> a few miles away, michael's mom, ellen snyder, was ending her work day. >> when i came out from work, his girlfriend came by. she was sitting in her car next to my car. she said you need to get in the car. >> she told ellen that michael had called. the police had shown up at his work and they knew the secret. >> so i called my mom and said i need to come over. and she was like, are you okay? and i said no. >> and with that ellen's mother phoned an old acquaintance of hers, a defense attorney named

penny adrian. >> her mom calls me up and says, i think we have a problem. there was apparently something very wrong. >> the next morning ellen went to meet with adrian. by then the story was breaking. >> breaking news. albuquerque police have an active crime scene investigation going on right now. >> police tell us a confidential source told them that the remains of snyder are buried underneath the garage of this home on -- >> she just sat really stiffly in front of me. she said, "have you heard about them bigging for a body in the northeast heights?" and i said, well, you couldn't not hear about it. it was on all of the television stations and all over the newspaper. and she said, well, my ex-husband is buried there because i shot him. >> "dateline" returns after the break. ne" returns after the break. proof of less joint pain and clearer skin.

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vehicles and news helicopters flying overhead. but in february of 2010, this was the scene in front of the home where ellen and mike snyder once lived. we just spoke to the police chief and he told us the police are here looking for the remains of michael snider. >> police begin to cut through the concrete of what was now a six-car garage. the job of finding mike snyder's remains proved difficult. the garage floor was a solid foot of steel reinforced concrete. >> police will resume digging tomorrow. >> finally on the third day, searchers uncovered a waterproof tarp. inside were the remains of mike >> mechanic jim hurtado, a long-time friend of ellen's, was at work when the news broke. >> i couldn't believe it. >> so you really believed that he left her and he was in phoenix? >> yeah. >> police began cutting through the concrete of what was now a six-car garage. the job of finding mike snyder's remains proved difficult. the garage floor was a solid

foot of steel-reinforced concrete. >> police say they will resume digging tomorrow. >> the excavation went on for two more days. finally, on the third day searchers uncovered a waterproof tarp. inside were the remains of mike snyder. >> she had been saying mike was in phoenix, mike, this mike that, and all along mike wasn't in phoenix. >> for mike's family the finality is devastating. >> to not know eight years and hold on to hope and have that pulled out from under you was very difficult for all of us. >> ellen snyder sat in defense attorney penny adrian's office knowing an arrest was imminent. >> they found the body and she wanted to get it over with. she said we just can't go on like this. >> so adrian informed the police that ellen snyder was ready to turn herself in. >> that following friday i met with the police detectives at her office, gave a full statement. >> before we ask you any questions, i want you to understand these are your miranda or constitutional rights. okay?

>> she gave police a 2 1/2 hour confession and her version of events is quite a story. >> woke me up. it was 2:00, 3:00 in the morning. we were arguing. pushing, you know, back and forth. and i told him that i know all about you and dave simmons. i know that you're gay. >> ellen says she had recently grown more courageous in her dealings with mike and on this night she'd confronted her husband over what she says was a secret gay affair. >> and i'm yelling at him and he's yelling at me and i told him, i said i'm going to tell everybody. i'm going to tell everybody about you. and he's telling me, you will never tell anybody about me. you are not going to tell anything. there's nothing to tell. he's denying it. he's screaming at me. i have never seen him so angry. ever. >> she says she ran to the bedroom and got the gun from the closet. the gun that her colleague frank had loaned her.

>> i said i have a gun. he's laughing at me. telling me i'm a coward and i'm never going to tell anyone. >> so he's like taunting you. >> he's taunting me. >> saying you don't have the courage to shoot me? >> calling me, you know, a [ bleep ] and telling me what a rotten person i am, screaming at me. >> in that moment of fear, ellen says, she pulled the trigger, not once, not twice, but repeatedly. >> i emptied the gun. i had never been so afraid in my life. >> he turned around and ran away from you. >> he did. >> and you kept shooting. >> i did. he just turned and ran. i kept shooting. >> how far did he get? >> ten feet. >> then what happened? >> then he fell down. >> elizabeth, mike and ellen's 6-year-old daughter, was fast asleep in the bedroom. she didn't wake up. but ellen's son michael, 17, was

in his bedroom and he did. >> he was calling 911. i told him just hang up, michael. >> and he hung up. >> and he hung up and i sat down on the step waiting for the police to come. >> but the police never did show. >> i covered him up. i told michael to get ready for school. i told him i shot mike. you need to just go to school. >> how is michael doing at this point? >> i thought he was doing okay. >> evidently michael was not okay. he skipped school that day, and he told his friend patrick about the horror he had gone through. >> did you talk to him about this? or from the first minute that this happened, did this sort of become like the thing you're not talking about? >> right. we never talked about it. >> once you said to him i shot mike, go to school. >> we didn't talk about it. >> later with michael and elizabeth at school, ellen planned to move the body into

the garage, but there was a problem. >> trying to get him situated to where i could get him, a board under him to move him to the garage. >> and you couldn't do it alone. >> i couldn't do it alone. >> so you asked your son. >> so i asked my son. yeah. >> you asked michael to help you move the body? >> yes. he didn't want to. i asked him please. and he said, okay. >> 17-year-old michael reluctantly agreed. >> were you aware that you were asking him to essentially help you commit a crime? >> i wasn't in the frame of mind to believe that as such. >> yet at the time you were willing to do that instead of the other option which is call the cops and face the music. >> yes. at that point i was just solving the problem.

>> so the tears and regret that i'm seeing now, you weren't feeling that then. >> no. never cried. >> because at the time ellen says she was on autopilot and needed to dispose of the body. and how did she do that? in the want ads she found a guy with a backhoe who came out to the house and dug a hole. >> did you tell the guy why you were doing this? >> he didn't ask. >> ellen and her son michael wrapped snyder's body in a tarp and put plastic bags on his hands, and then in the dark of night they moved him onto a dolly and into the hole. >> is your son helping you at this time or not? >> yeah. i asked him to help me throw some dirt on top of him. he said okay. >> they filled the hole with leftover construction waste so the body couldn't be seen. the next day ellen went back to the paper. found a different guy who had a bobcat and hired him to fill in

the hole. >> and you buried a body. >> and i buried a body. >> and then she came up with her story. >> you got better at telling that story as time went on. >> yeah, as time went on. it became a bigger and bigger story. >> it was the end of her 2 1/2 hour statement to police. and ellen snyder wanted to get one last thing on the record. >> is there anything else you want to say before we turn off the recorder? >> one thing i want to say is i'm not a horrible killer. >> and with that ellen snyder was charged with first-degree murder and held on $1 million bail. >> albuquerque police announce they've arrested the ex-wife of an albuquerque man who vanished eight years ago. >> an eight-year-old cover-up was over. but another storyline was just beginning.

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♪ you thought he was going to kill you even though you had the gun? >> yes. i did. i have never seen such anger, ever. i shot him because i was afraid. >> there are some things ellen snyder admits. she admits that she shot and

killed her husband mike snyder in the early-morning hours of january 11th, 2002. she admits that she buried his body and then lied about his disappearance for years, but she does not admit to being guilty of murder. >> you don't think of yourself as a murderer? >> no, i don't. i was saving my own life. he came down that night to me or him. >> she said it's a case of survival. but ask detective mark wilson and he calls it something else. >> i believe this is an evil woman who planned this from the beginning. >> maybe she did fear for her life. there are people who say they saw her with bruises. >> sure. it's a possibility. possibility there was a bruise. or it could have been something she set up to look like that to go along with her story. because it was closer to the time she was going to kill him. >> but even if it was an act of self defense that caused ellen snyder to shoot her husband, why hasn't she called police?

>> usually when abused women kill their abusers, they call the police and they are sitting there with the gun when the police drive up. >> okay. >> they don't try to evade responsibility. they admit what they did and they say, i didn't have any choice. pretty much as you are saying to me now. but they don't bury the body. and tell a series of pretty good lies over a long period of time. that's pretty unusual. >> okay. >> which suggests, to some people, that there's more to the story than you are telling. >> they didn't live through what we lived through. they weren't there that night. >> with ellen snyder now sitting in jail, detective wilson was trying to determine if the shooting happened the way that ellen now said it did because, after all, how believable was ellen?

>> we tried to gather information six, seven years later, we don't have the actual crime scene. at that time, they would have seen blood streams from where he first got shot to where the body was laying, to where the bullet projectiles had stopped. >> ellen claimed that mike woke her up yelling and they fought in the family room where mike slept. >> i'm in the middle of the family room and he's about as far as you and i facing me. >> and what happened? >> he comes -- steps forward and i started shooting. >> using some creative detective work, wilson had an idea. he remembered something that michael, ellen's son, had mentioned in his interview with police. something about a stereo speaker. >> apparently not all of the bullets hit the body. one of them went through a speaker, like the bottom of a speaker. i still have that speaker.

>> the detective went back to the house with michael. asked him to show where the speaker was positioned on the floor and where it was in relation to where mike slept and detective wilson came to this hypothesis. >> it appeared to me that michael snyder was laying in his bed when he was shot. >> not up and advancing on ellen to do her harm? >> exactly. the office of the medical investigator reported the projectiles came up through the victim's body from down, stomach area up into the shoulder air. >> almost as if the person was lying flat and the shooter was standing at his feet? >> yes. my estimation was that the body was on the mattress when he was being fired at. he may have gotten up and started running, if it didn't kill him right away. >> there was something else the detective uncovered that appeared a lot more sinister than a woman in fear for her

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just months after she shot her husband and filed for divorce ellen was awarded the couple's home and the cash in their joint account. and remember those tax returns that had been filed in mike's name after he disappeared? turns out it was ellen who filed them in order to get a refund. she also cashed out mike's $60,000 401(k) and she continued to collect the disability checks that mike had been getting because of his multiple sclerosis. >> you kept cashing those checks for a year. >> those checks were deposited into my account. yes. >> totaling about how much money?

>> about 4 grand a month. >> that must have helped. >> it did. >> so the argument could be made that you made some money out of this. >> so are you implying that it was because of that that it occurred? is that what you are implying? >> i'm not implying it. i'm saying you made money out of the death of your husband. >> i did not make substantial money out of the death of my husband, no. >> it was now the job of the pror to put together a case for a jury to hear. >> covering up the crime, i think would be our best evidence in terms of trying to convince a jury that her intent at the time of the killing was something along the lines of a premeditated murder. >> but the prosecution found itself in a rather unusual predicament. eight years had passed since the shooting and in that time the statute of limitations had run out on any charge other than first degree murder. that meant in order to get any conviction at all, prosecutors would have to prove to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that

ellen snyder planned mike snyder's murder. and with no crime scene and little in the way of forensics that was going to be hard to prove. >> so in her view it was self-defense, but maybe she was guilty of manslaughter or second-degree murder. but you couldn't prosecute her for either of those offenses. >> that's correct. the statute of limitations here in new mexico on a state case like this prohibited us from going forward on any of those lesser types of offenses. >> ellen snyder's defense attorney penny adrian knew a first-degree murder conviction could mean a life sentence for ellen, but felt the prosecution would have a tough time making their case. >> the premeditation would be hard to prove, but even harder would be to prove that she did not act in self-defense given all of the things that were going on with mike. >> adrian says ellen acted after

years of emotional and physical abuse. >> this guy was treating her horribly. >> that's right. and had been for a long, long time. >> and she couldn't leave him? >> no. no. and that's what the cycle of abuse is all about. there's an isolation. there's a dependency. there's a demeaning factor. and those things will all go together until the abuser has turned the abused into someone who thinks that he or she, because it happens both ways, is a worthless person. >> would ellen snyder spend the rest of her life behind bars, or had she committed the perfect murder? >> is it possible she's going to walk? >> it's certainly possible in this case? >> she could walk away from this? >> she might have committed first-degree murder and gotten away with it. >> "dateline" returns after the break. returns after the break.

mike snyder's side of the family had spent many years waiting. they'd waited for mike to call after he disappeared. he never did. they'd waited for the police to call when investigators first said they'd look for him. that didn't happen either. and finally, years later, with ellen snyder sitting in jail, facing a murder charge for killing mike, they waited for justice. mike's sister, teri. >> how could you look at us, the family, in the face and tell us that you have no idea where mike is at or you just spoke to mike and mike is doing just fine? >> thus giving all of you hope. >> thus giving all of us hope. it's beyond me how any one person can do that. it's unimaginable. >> finally, ellen snyder would pay the price for the murder of mike snyder and the cover-up that followed. at least that's what mike's side of the family fully expected.

but there was that problem. with the statute of limitations expired on anything less than first-degree murder there was the chance ellen snyder could be found not guilty. mike's family was willing to risk that. >> we felt that strongly that it was premeditated. and you know, that was a gamble we were willing to take. >> but when it comes to murder, prosecutor david waymeyer isn't willing to gamble. >> maybe she gets convicted of first-degree murder and maybe that's what she did all along and that would have been justice. but with an all or nothing where you're trying to convince beyond a reasonable doubt 12 jurors -- >> you didn't want to roll the dice. >> that's a huge risk, to roll the dice and not have somebody held accountable at all for the death of another human being. >> and it was a risk for ellen too. she knew that going to trial could mean a possible life sentence. one month before the case was set for trial prosecutors offered ellen a plea deal which

she accepted. ultimately, ellen snyder agreed to waive the statute of limitations restrictions and plead guilty to voluntary manslaughter, admitting that she shot herhhusband. she also pled guilty to tampering with etched for the burying and concealment of mike's body. and to one count of tax fraud for filing mike's tax returns after his death. in all, the maximum sentence possible was not life in prison but just 11 years. mike's side of the family was devastated. >> so whether she's sentenced to four years, five years, six years, seven years, eight years, 11 years, she's still getting away with it in your view? >> she's definitely getting away with murder. nothing is going to be long enough for us. >> in july 2011 family and friends of both ellen and mike gathered in the bernaleo county

district courthouse for ellen's sentencing. ellention s ellen's son michael was there in support of his mom, just as she had been on the day she shot her husband. michael was still a minor when the killing happened, and so in exchange for his cooperation he was given immunity and faced no charges. as we sit here, you're about to go into that courtroom and a judge is going to pronounce sentence. >> yeah. >> are you ready for what's coming? >> how do you say you're ready for that? i know that it has to happen. and i know it has to happen for this to be over. so i don't know that i can say yes, i'm ready. but it's going to happen. >> we have what became eight years of concealment, of lies -- >> the prosecution asked the judge to give ellen zmisnyder t maximum sentence of 11 years.

>> so she could have been looking at a total of 339 years. >> ellen's defense attorney asked the judge for some leniency. >> she does ask your honor that the court sentence her to five years in prison, which will allow her to at least be at her daughter's graduation from college. >> the judge addressed ellen directly, focusing on that construction waste she'd buried on top of her husband's body. >> it was reported that you unceremoniously threw trash in the same hole that mr. snyder had been placed. >> and with that ellen was given the maximum sentence of 11 years behind bars. >> miss snyder, hopefully once you are released you can get things together and go forward in life. >> and she hopes to. when we spoke with ellen shortly after her sentencing, ellen said she worried most about her children. her then 16-year-old daughter

elizabeth was a high school junior. she was only 6 when her father disappeared from her life. >> you told her that you'd been lying to her all those years. >> i did. >> what'd she say? >> she was most concerned about losing her mom. she's been to see me every week. she is such a remarkable young woman. she loves me. >> but ellen says the greatest regret of her life was putting her son michael in the middle of a cover-up. >> you said that you always looked out for him and that he always looked out for you. >> i didn't do such a good job. >> you didn't. >> and he's such a remarkable man. >> i know you wish you'd shielded him from that. >> yep. >> i get the feeling you have way more regret about that than about what happened. >> absolutely.

the shooting happened for a reason. the shooting happened. that was too much to give michael. >> no one but ellen snyder will ever know exactly what happened inside the walls of that dream home in the early morning o'houohours of january 2002. that will forever remain a mystery. but one thing is clear. ellen snyder is something of an expert on how to live a life of secrets and lies. one thing we know about you for sure is that you're pretty good at telling a lie. >> okay. >> and the truth is if you hadn't fired the wrong person i think you'd still be telling that lie today. >> you're right. i can't dispute that. >> do you have some sense of regret now? >> absolutely.

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