good morning. it is sunday, january 9. i'm ali velshi. there are ten days before president-elect joe biden's inauguration. the sedition of outgoing president has not been charged for his role in the coup, but

impeachment is expected to be introduced tomorrow amid trump followers begging to let him off the hook. there is a reason trump has been a catastrophe for the country in the last couple days. his love for north korea has led kim jong-un to call trump his biggest enemy and putting their arms in range. the 22 million cases of coronavirus has led to the collapse of the economy. in fact, president trump is now the worst jobs president in american history. he's the only one since modern employment statistics started in the 1930s to leave office with fewer americans working than since he was sworn in.

the law and order of police is so grotesque that not only did the mob crush one police officer, as seen in this shocking footage, but the injuries of others. one officer was killed. his shocking action was a gift to his enemies. they record aed a russian interpreter and told a judge, i don't know what unlawful entry you're referring to. it was not an embarrassment, it was a national catastrophe. they demanded that the state officer denounce president trump's role in the attack on the american government, something never heard in american history and the

crumbling overseas. mike pompeo criticized the media for making that rightful connection. and in pompeo's second response to the insurrection instigated by trump, he criticized twitter for banning trump to instigate the resurrection. trump later lamented his own social media followers. pompeo and others all make the same ridiculous claim that the ban has led to less speech. but there are restrictions. for instance, we all know you can't yell fire in a movie theater if there isn't a fire and you can't instigate an insurrection. republicans should know better. they fought hard for private companies to have the right to not make wedding cakes for gay couples, but they complain when twitter shuts down the account of a man trying to overthrow democracy. twitter has spoken out about the

domestic terrorists saying their role was to execute mike pence by hanging. president trump did not reach out to check on his vp while he and his family were hiding out in a bunker. in fact, trump has not called pence at all since the siege. despite the insurrection and the growing coup, there are some kour cowards in the republican party who do not want to impeach trump. these senators beg against an impeachment, saying it would be inflammatory and would undermine unifying americans and would be, quote, a further distraction to our nation during the pandemic. hey, ken buck, chip roy, thomas massey, nancy mace, kelly armstrong, tom mcclintock and mike gallagher, the ones you saw on the screen, and others are saying the same thing. rioters were trying to overthrow

the government and trying to execute the vice president wasn't lying? what part of lying for months about the reality of who won the election and then jeopardizing joe biden's victory hours after the capitol was under siege wasn't a further distraction to our nation, end quote, during the pandemic which all of a sudden the gop has an interest in now that they need a distraction from a failed coup that their party supported? they want to hide the fact that it was their party that organized and participated in the rally and ensuing siege, reportedly including dozens of elected republicans across the country, at least one of whom has been arrested. an idiot named derrick evans from west virginia, invading the capitol while screaming, we're in! derrick evans is in the capitol. they are calling on ted cruz to resign for trying to overthrow

democracy. the "kansas city star" are demanding senator hawley resign, the "star" going so far as to say he be imprisoned. they are citing trump a insurrection, that mr. trump demanded that the georgia secretary of state commit voter fraud are reportedly not off the table. now we have heard of another phone call from mid-december which has been confirmed by georgia's deputy of state in which president trump purposely called georgia's lead investigator and asked them to

find the fraud, adding if they did so they would be, quote, a national hero. joining us now is congressman tom malinowski of new jersey. he is the member of foreign affairs and infrastructure committees, and he served as an infrastructure secretary of state for democracy rights and labor during the obama administration. congressman malinowski, thank you for being here. there are various reasons for calling for the impeachment or resignation of donald trump. one is punitive, as a punishment for being involved in an insurrection. another is being a derterrent s no other president does that. he's gotten days in office and he does damage to democracy on almost an hourly basis. there is a great deal more that donald trump can do in his ten days left in office. >> that's absolutely right, and you know, we talk about the assault on the capitol that occurred on wednesday, but it's an ongoing assault. these people went home feeling emboldened by the fact that they had gotten into the capitol.

they're living in this world of unreality in which they believe, thanks to the leadership of the republican party which has emboldened them in this belief that they are a part of some righteous revolution, and they are planning to come back to the capitol around the inauguration of joe biden. so this is an ongoing clear and present danger to the security of the capitol and, of course, to the integrity of our democra democracy, and i'm tired of playing defense. i don't like seeing fences go up around capitol hill and the white house. we may have to do that, but that's defense. we need to be playing offense. we're done playing with these people. it is time to start drawing the line that donald trump has been erasing in this country between lawlessness and the rule of law. >> there is a poll that was put out today by abc news and ipsos.

it says 67% of americans think donald trump deserves a great deal or good amount of blame for the riots. 33% say not so much or known. it's heartening that some americans think so. there are few that think what donald trump is impeachable or that he should be removed from office, but in the house, nobody but adam kensinger yet. >> you mean my fellow republicans. >> i'm sorry, fellow republicans, thank you. >> it's more than adam kensinger, although he deserves a tremendous amount of credit for the courage he has shown. i believe we would get -- i don't know how many, but we would get several republican votes if the vote were today. the seven republican members you just criticized, they all actually voted with us to certify the election of joe biden. they would agree that donald trump is responsible, but they're still stuck in this fear, this intimidation that he

has imposed on the party. you know, i don't know how many conversations i've had with these guys over the last two years in which they say, we know, we know, we know what he's doing, but if you confront him directly, he'll just get worse. his supporters will just get worse. their basic argument is if he shoots a guy on fifth avenue five times, we've got to forgive that and move on, otherwise things will get worse. i've had enough of that. they have no alternative. they're not proposing any other means of holding him accountable and drawing this line, and we're going to put this to a vote and they are going to have to choose. i think what you're getting to is fear. they're all getting death threats now, by the way, right? i'm used to that. >> there is another piece of this poll in which they ask should donald trump be removed from office before the term ends? 50% said yes. you'll recall in the last

impeachment, it took a while to get to that. a lot of people thought it wasn't impeachable and then they got to that. that shows across party lines people think something needs to be done. the argument that a number of your republican colleagues are making are that it will divide the country further. impeachment is divisive, there is no question about that, but there is something else here that should be achieved and that is the danger of the man in office. how do you square those two things? it will be divisive. we're divided. >> you made the point that staging a violent assault on the united states capitol to stop the congress from doing its job is divisive. and we cannot have a relationship with the president of the united states in which he repeatedly violates the law. he repeatedly commits outrageous, unspeakable acts, and then we take it upon ourselves to move on to avoid disunity in the country.

for four years that's been happening. at least, that's what the mainstream republicans have been advocating, and it's gotten worse and worse and worse and worse. so my message to them is, you don't want us to impeach them? what else are you willing to do? remember, the reason we didn't impeach lirichard nixon was republicans went to the white house and they said, it's time to resign now. if these republicans were willing to go to the white house and tell trump to resign, i might let them take the lead, right? but they're not doing that, either. they just want to move on as if this didn't happen. and that's absolutely not possible, not in a democratic rule of law republic when something like this happens. >> congressman, good to see you again. thank you for joining us this morning. democratic congressman tom malinowski of new jersey. joining me now live on capitol hill is political reporter monica alba. some of those involved in

wednesday's siege have been arrested, they were taken into custody and they're still looking for other insurrectionists. whael what's the update? >> reporter: that's right, ali, there is a manhunt underway. we've seen dozens and dozens of arrests across many states with the example there that people came from all over this country to participate in this chaos and violence on capitol hill at the urging of president trump. but we're now seeing some of those individuals who are featured in some of the most haunting and disturbing images really of the events on wednesday arrested, some of them also charged with federal crimes. for example, the person who tried to steal nancy pelosi's lectern, the individual who put his feet up on her desk, those closely involved with the conspiracy theorists of qanon. we're also learning of a combat veteran who was participating and got all the way inside the chamber who was carrying zip

ties. you can see in that photo there on screen, unclear exactly for what, but he confirmed his involvement and gave a quote to the new yorker, actually, stating specifically the reason he wanted to come to the capitol, breach the grounds was because the president urged his supporters to do so, and, quote, he felt it was important because of how much i love this country to actually be there. that's what he told the new yorker, but i have to tell you here, ali, there is a heightened security presence, there is a new fence that's goes all the way around the capitol grounds, but something striking, the flags here are at half staff because of officer brian sicknick who was killed. that's something we haven't seen here, most notably the white house, ali. >> those people who want executive control have not lowered their flags, those with congressional control have, and

that's important to note. monica alba, thank you for joining us on capitol hill. joyce advance is a professor at the alabama school of law. she wrote about the charges that the insurrectionists themselves can face, and she gives light to the truth that leaders face the insurrection. i'm now asking you questions i didn't think were going to be questions in american democracy, but talk to me about the legal liability and implication that donald trump faces in having encouraged a rally that became a riot that became murderous and deadly. what's your analysis so far. >> i agree with you. it's nothing short of crazy that we're up early on a sunday morning discussing whether or not the president of the united

states could be criminally liable for insurrection. but, unfortunately, that's a possibility we can't discount. you know, you've heard me say this before, ali, criminal statutes, the criminal laws of the united states are formalistic. there are specific elements prosecutors must have evidence of beyond a reasonable doubt to indict and convict. so it's far too early to judge what the president's actual liability looks like. but if there is evidence that he intended to unleash this mob in the attack on the capitol, if he was, in essence, soliciting acts of violence on the capitol, wanted to interfere with the government as the congress tried to finalize joe biden's election, then the president really will face serious scrutiny from federal prosecutors in this regard. >> what's the way to do this, and maybe it's both. the president, as a lot of

members of congress and others have said, has to be held accountable for being at the front of an attempted coup or insurrection, but at the same time these participants also have to be held responsible. some have. there have been 60-plus arrests. there are still people being looked for, many of whom are coming from the nation's police forces. you right in "time" there is no distinct statute but those involved in the riot at the capitol may still be prosecuted under these laws. you talk about charges of seditious conspiracy, possession of firearms and explosives, restricted area violations, local vandalism and trespassing. how do you make sure people are held accountable for this? >> fortunately doj is pretty good, or at least the doj i worked at is pretty good at walking and chewing gum at the same time. we'll see a task force that we have to prioritize different types of offenses, but i think

the feeling will emerge that it's important to have full accountability for what happened. that means looking at people who were leaders or organizers of these events in one way, people who participated and committed crimes, we will have to figure out who left bombs at the rnc and dnc headquarters in washington, d.c. and hold that person accountable to emiliorate the public service. so we'll look at different kinds of people for different culpability. this is one of the underlying reasons we have a criminal justice system. we have to get to the truth before we can move forward. we have to hold people accountable before we can feel safe again. this is what's been absent from president trump's conduct of the criminal justice system which he has used as a tool for political purposes. there is a reason we have a criminal justice system. i hope we're about to see it in action with new leadership at doj. >> i want to talk about that,

because you said "the doj i worked at." when merrick garland was named attorney general the other day, both he and joe biden underscored the thing we all know has been the problem with bill barr. bill barr has been a water-carrying lackey for donald trump since before he took the job. both merrick garland and joe biden said, you're not my lawyer, you're the people's lawyer, you don't do the president's bidding, you do the work of the people. is it your sense that this will be that overhaul at the justice department that will reinvigorate the place and deal with the morale issues and the departures we've seen over the last few years? >> you know, joe biden has put together a really extraordinary team at doj, and i view it as a team more than as individual people. something folks may not be aware of is that judge garland and the deputy attorney general lisa monaco, both have deep experience and bones in these white supremacist incidents. both of them were around and

involved in the oklahoma city bombing prosecutions, so they understand what white supremacist-motivated tear in this country looks like. i think they'll put the best priority on the sorts of challenges we face. >> joyce, good to talk to you, as always. joyce vance, professor and attorney in alabama and msnbc contributor. one day joyce and i will talk about interesting stuff that is not about the crumble of democracy. i look forward to that day, my friend. we're unfortunately watching democracy crumble, and let's not forget when democracy prevailed. despite trump's best efforts, georgia flipped the senate. i'll have details on that ahead. . i'm cologuard. i'm noninvasive and detect altered dna in your stool to find 92% of colon cancers even in early stages. tell me more.

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buried in all the chaos on capitol hill was a defining choice in america. georgia flipped and went blue. they replaced republicans with two newcomers, reverend warnock on the right of your screen and jon ossoff. they will control both the chamber and the white house for the first time in a decade. how did they get that done in georgia? black activistactivists, black oh, and a woman named stacey abrams. in 2002, abrams lost her fight to run georgia. she lost with fewer than 55,000 votes. the democratic establishment begged her to run a georgia senate seat in 2020, but she said, i'll do you one better, i'll flip the whole senate. abrams started several political associations to stop voter

suppression. she became a force with which to reckon, spending the last two years boosting voter turnout and galvanizing blacks in georgia. they raised $100 million, most of which helped win the senate races in georgia. abrams is a powerhouse and deserves the credit she is receiving, and although she may be a household name, painting georgia blue was not a one-woman job. she said herself it was a massive grassroots effort. it was combined with the network of organizers and advocacy groups and a coalition of black women who put in the work long before the 2020 senate races. black women devoted years to organizing, canvassing and campaigning for the future of georgia. that's why they were referred to as the backbone of the party there. abe rarams made it easy but flig the party didn't happen overnight. and on the same day georgia went

from red to blue, there was desecration on the nation's capitol. it took four long years, but we owe the four to officially make georgia the swing state it is today. coming up next, the racial disparity between black lives matter protests and last week's capitol riots. no one can explain it better than my friend joy reid. >> they know they are not in jeopardy because the cops are taking selfies with them, walking them down the steps making sure they're not hurt, taking care not to hurt their bodies. not like they treated freddie gray's body. white americans are not afraid of the cops. white americans are never afraid of the cops, even when they're committing insurrection, even when they're occupying our capitol to steal the votes of people that look like me, because in their minds they own this country, they own the capitol, they own the cops, the cops work for them, and people like me have no damn right to

try to elect a president. a pret

there was no racism in the united states. there was no racism. there was none. now they've recreated racism. what do you think it's going to do to race relations when they make me pay you for reparations? what do you think that's going to do for race relations, officer? do you think it's going to help? do you think it's going to make white people like black people? >> it's kind of not the point, making white people like black people, but we'll talk about that in a minute. while wednesday's attack on capitol hill was an unprecedented sight for almost all americans, the motivation behind the siege has actually been seen before in history. in 1861, southerners attempted to storm the capitol to affect the counting of votes for abraham lincoln. a key difference between the two attacks was the guarding of the united states capitol by genuine

field scott who prevented an angry mob from entering the building's hallowed halls. inside the capitol that day, people raged against his victory. three weeks later, lincoln made his inaugural address in front of the capitol dome, which was still being built, in which he said, the mystic chording of memory, stretching from every battlefield and patriot grave to every living heart and heartstone all over this broad land, will yet swell the chorus of the union, when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature. doors were broken, windows broken, as they tried to break our democracy. the riots reminded us of mostly

peaceful individuals protesting in the wake of george floyd's murder were met with tear gas and smoke bombs. all that force used not to quell a violent insurrection four days ago, but to clear people striving for a better, more fair, more just america who were inconveniently standing in the way of donald trump's photo op with a bible held upside down in front of a church. the contrast between the two events is actually stark. on wednesday, some capitol police officers even moved out of the way for protesters to get inside the building while others reportedly gave directions to the angry mob on where they could find certain members of congress. 1300 protesters were arrested at lafayette park that day that summer, 316. how many were taken into custody in the last four days? 61 so far. i'm joined now by nicole hannah jones, pulitzer prize-winning journalist of the "los angeles

times," staff writer at "the new yorker." good morning to you. i can't say it better than joy reid said it. the lack of fear in the people who were threatening the police and imposing violence on them, i was in the streets, as you know, in minneapolis after the death of george floyd. it was not like that. people were not able to go up to cops in their faces and threaten them without fear of consequences, certainly not black people. this insurrection is nothing like the black lives matter movement. >> no, it's not. and what it really goes to is who are considered legitimate citizens who can legitimately protest the government and who are not. we know that the history of this is very long. we can go back to dread scott in 1867 when they ruled that black people could never be citizens of this country because they belonged to a slave race. when you take that and you look

at certain parts of the south and northeast came from slave controls, so the design was to preserve white americans and control black americans, so what we see happening in the treatment of protesters is very predictable. black protesters considered illegitimate even though black protesters were literally saying, we want the rule of law. we are protesting so we can be treated the same before the law, versus these protesters who have had every access to the courts. we know donald trump tried his case in dozens of courts. he lost the election, and they don't want the rule of law. that's actually not what they're looking for. they're trying to overturn the law and yet are being treated with the utmost respect that law enforcement treats people whom it considers to be full citizens. >> it's interesting, because when you think about big marches and you think about black lives matter, fighting for justice, right, people mwanted the same justice other americans get, or you're fighting against a war you think is unjust, or you're fighting for the protection of

the climate, you're fighting for gun control, you're fighting for something, some kind of thachan. these folks in washington on wednesday were fighting for democracy. there was a democratic thing that was going on, and they were trying to prevent it. it deserves a particular type of scorn. >> sure, it does. but the other side of it is, if we're going to be brutally honest about american history, that vantage point has won out more often than it has not. if we look at the elections between 1876 and 1965, none of those elections were legitimate. if you're counting on the entire populist being able to vote, and we're only looking after the 14th amendment said we were citizens. we're not counting those prior that were up in the air. but when the u.s. constitution said black people were citizens of the united states, it wasn't until well into two-thirds of the 20th century had elapsed before we actually began having

what could be considered legitimate elections. so they are simply trying to recall a period of american history, which isn't that distant, which is not that far from where we are right now. now, the other thing i'll say about this is that we should be very concerned that this movement will go on january 20th from seeing the inauguration of the president, the incoming president joe biden, to becoming a movement to restore donald trump, from preventing the inauguration to restoring donald trump, and i think that will be the next rallying cry that we will see organized violence around. >> nikole, you tweeted on january 9, what has always appalled me about this country is how we always have so much empathy for powerful people who commit crimes out of greed than for poor people who commit crimes out of desperation. tell me a little bit more about that. >> we can look already at this push for reconciliation. it's pushed to if we actually

hold people who broke into the seat of democracy in this country, some of them with zip ties, with bombs, with weapons, that that will be more divisive. and we don't ever see that type of empathy for poor people who commit crimes, because they have no choice. they're trying to survive. then we believe in law and order. we believe that if you do the crime, you must do the time. so i think we have to be really concerned about this tremendous pressure that is already starting to build, and that we've seen so many times in history before for reconciliation. i had to pull out my copy of david white's race reunion because he talks about the civil war that always pushed for unity, that the union general said these people are not loyal, they are only conquered, and they'll simply try through politics to do what they are able to do through force. we know this is what jiladi was

just speaking about. this is not over. i don't think the politics are over. they have tried to implement policies and have implemented policies that have been devastating to black and brown communities, and i think it would be very dangerous if we see an effort to subvert -- excuse me, to kind of leave the base behind, the base being the black americans who actually helped biden win in south carolina, who flipped the senate and go ahead and try to appease those who would do an insurrection against our country. >> so both you and jilani have talked about this cause that has kind of come back. jilani, you wrote this in "the new yorker" when you said, trump's insistence that he was

swindled out of the presidency is ridiculous, yet it is only a degree removed from similar arguments that americans have been making for years as a rationale for tightening voting requirements in ways that disadvantage minority voters. you're saying they have the right to be swindled. >> the integrity of the ballot largely since the civil war has been largely to reduce the number of black people or eliminate the number of black people who can participate. what we're seeing now is the modern incarnation of this. when you saw the tremendous, astounding organizing that happened in georgia and really throughout the country to make sure that there was a turnout that could deliver the presidency to joe biden, and the central place that

african-american voters mobilized by the army of black women, the central place that those voters played in that, that is the definition of illegitimate in their eyes. that is what they are fighting against. the idea of illegitimacy is an election that you lose because all these people who are never supposed to be citizens in the first place have made -- have cast decisive ballots. that's what we're talking about, and to nikole's earlier point, you can't see it, but my copy of david blight's "race and ruin" is over my shoulder here. we're all breaking out those books right now. >> absolutely. and for the rest of us, the two of you come on and make some of these ideas that are in those books and have been studied for generations accessible to all of our viewers, and i thank you for being here for us. thank you to both of you.

the assault on the capitol has been years in the making as wea we've just been discussing by white nationalists and the people who con dodone them. we're going to talk about hate in america and also the coronavirus pandemic. stay with us. e coronavirus pandemic stay with us laundry isn't done until it's done with downy.

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another week of records, unfortunately, for the coronavirus pandemic in america. the country saw a record number of deaths this week, more than 4,000 in a single day. we also saw a record number of nearly 300,000 new cases on friday. all of this as dr. anthony fauci appeared on npr with a warning that has become all too familiar that the worst is still yet to come. part of this is because the covid-19 vaccine rollout has stalled and the u.s. needs to catch up on vaccinations. the trump administration has shipped about 21 million doses of the vaccine, yet only 6

million people have received their first dose. president-elect biden plans to release all doses of the vaccine as soon as he is in office. he vows to get 100 million doses done in the first 100 days in office. a pulmonologist is joining me. ben, we're talking about the smallpox outbreak in new york city in 1947, and the degree to which there was an existing vaccine and they worked to stay ahead of it. with a rapid spreading infection, the only way to deal with it is either through vaccinations or preventative measures. we now have a mutation of this virus that is getting ahead of us again. >> good morning, ali, good to see you. you raise a really vital question here, which is how do we deal with this new strain from the united kingdom,

potentially one coming from south africa that we think is more transmissible but not necessarily more lethal, which is an important distinction. but for our purposes here, we have an out-of-control pandemic and we need to get control of it. more cases means more hospitalizations and more people passing away. this is some things that we need. this new strain forces quick action on vaccinations, so more places to get the shot, more people who can give the shot. there is no way out of this other than to vaccinate, and now we have early data suggesting that the vaccine that pfizer biontech vaccine will be effective. it looks like the vaccine will be broadly effective, and we really need to scale vaccination, ali. >> you and i talked about this back when we thought this was going to happen, that when this vaccine comes out, i thought we would see tents in public parks,

vaccinations going on everywhere all the time, maybe the military involved or the national guard. i'm a little surprised that we haven't. >> you're going to start seeing that now. unfortunately, it hasn't happened yet. there were some hiccups. i think that was to be expected. things will start smoothing out. what the biden administration has done is two things that i think are critical. number one, let's release all the shots available to us now, not assuming we'll have some sort of catastrophic vaccine supply issue. we're going to have enough supply in people who have already had the first dose, and we have government saying we're going to release criteria now so people can get the shot. that's vital. they're thinking about school reopenings. staff and students in those schools should be included so we can safely open schools for adults that are at risk in that environment. we need full mobilization of the

military. we need to think big here. broaden our definition of who can be an i mmunizer. you don't have to be a health practitioner to deliver an immunization, we just need someone to oversee it. >> vin, it is very early where you are out of washington state, so we're always appreciative when you get up and join us because you know something about this and have been dealing with it. dr. vin gupta is a pulmonologist expert and an msnbc contributor. thank you, sir. apple, by the way, has decided to remove the controversial social platform p parler in its app store because parler calls for violence. the tech giant has said we always support points of view in

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charlottesville, virginia, august 12th, 2017. far-right groups and counterprotesters clashed at the unite the right rally and a 20-year-old ohio man drove his car into a crowd of demonstrators. the man's car struck and killed one woman and injured 19 others. the scene was shocking and horrific on the surface but it revealed that white nationalism was very much alive and well in this country and this wasn't a revelation to many people of color and jews and muslims. but the rally underscored the strength and growth of a bold

racist movement that had been underestimated. that's why wednesday at the capitol was years in the making. years of white extremist groups proliferating online with trump proudly signaling them to emerge. remember stand back and stand by? ali sufon is the head of a nonprofit that study how extremist groups operate and the author of "the anatomy of terror, from the death of bin laden to the rise of the islamic state" and "the inside story of 9/11." it's now been released in its entirety. ali, didn't -- good to see you. you were ahead of the curve at the fbi when they weren't looking at islamic terrorism and al qaeda and isis and things like that and you were part of the group that got them to shift to that. you've now been warning the last few years you're missing something else here, this rise

of insurgent, white terrorism, white nationalism is the single biggest deadly threat that america faces. >> thank you, and good morning, ali. we've been talking about this for a long time. i testified in congress about the threat. let me tell you something, that wednesday is not the end. it is actually the beginning. for these supremists and extremists and skpeconspiracist they have troves of new material for future recruitment. what happened on capitol hill is the equivalent of the failed coup that eventually led to the rise of hitler and the nazis in 1923. so we have to learn from history, ali. we cannot undo what took place

on last wednesday. neither can we put the genie back in the bottle or close pandora's box or the trump box or the nazi box or whatever you want to call it and move on as if nothing happened. if we do that, if we pretend nothing happened, the chaos that was seen last wednesday will come back, but it will come back more lethal, it will come back more dangerous, it will come back more emboldened, and it might have the potential to eventually consume our nation and even melt down the foundations of our public, so it's crucial -- >> which is the important part. you studied this in other countries. we've actually looked at countries coming apart, a weakened central government and then these nonstate actors. it has never sounded like something that was even remotely possible in the united states, so what are the things we actually have to shore up to make sure these people don't gain the kind of notoriety and power that we associate with these insurgent groups that end

up toppling or destabilizing governments in other parts of the world? >> exactly. one of the most important thing that we need to do is accountability. we need to respond in a unified voice against what happened. ali, for years, decades even, we have tolerated a culture of near and total impunity in america. the conspiracy mongering, the misinformation, the lies of donald trump is merely the logical consequence of this culture. you and i spoke about that at length so many times, even on your show. this time it must be different. an existential threat, and i'm not saying that lightly, an existential threat, the one we're facing today requires a unified response. the immediate aftermath of 9/11, americans came together. we united, all of us, behind president george bush despite how many americans felt towards the results of the disputed election. today, very public, it requires such a moment of unity. we need a broad bipartisan

unified response to this unprecedented desecration of our democracy. the vice president has probably the most important role to do in unifying the country. there's so many people who actually voted for him as well on that ballot. they are confused of what's going on. he owes the republic, he owes them to be honest and truthful and unite the country. we need both parties in congress, both of them must respond in a unified tone that reflects this existential moment. we need immediate actions to swiftly punish all these insurrectionists and there must be real consequences, criminal consequences for the organizers of this insurrection, for all those who gave them aid and comfort, regardless of rank and position. this is a federal law. it is on the books. we should apply it. the leaders of this country has to step up to the moment and they have to deliver a bipartisan rebuke to the ideas

that led to this disaster and all those who fomented it. we cannot just look the other way or move on like some are asks us to do. we must oppose our foes, that america is bigger than a demagogue, stronger than a mob. neo-nazis have no place in america. only then can we save our republic from the abyss. >> ali soufan, chairman and ceo of the soufan group, thanks for joining us. "velshi" just getting started. in the next hour i'll speak with senator gary peters about the probe that he's opened into the siege on capitol hill, and senator bernie sanders will be along to talk about what democrats hope to accomplish now that they have got a unified government. at 10:00 a.m. eastern, eric swalwell and karen bass join us on the sunday show. grab a snack and come right back. "velshi" continues after a quick break.

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good morning. it is sunday, january 10th. i'm ali velshi. we're ten days away from a presidential transition that will welcome joe biden as the next commander in chief of the united states. but following wednesday's historic siege of the capitol, outgoing president donald j. trump is in serious doubt of completing the final days of his term due to his instance gags. we'll speak with four capitol hill lawmakers and get their take on the dangers surrounding trump's final days in office. this comes as democratic members of the house of representatives are planning to introduce legislation urging the impeachment of donald trump tomorrow morning. this with the tally between the house and senate, nearly 250 lawmakers have now called for president trump's removal from office via impeachment or the