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if it's monday t house is beginning efforts to remove president trump. businesses are bailing on him and his allies and social media is silencing him like never before. what's next for an increasingly isolated president and his party? plus, inside the assault on our democracy. new reporting and new images coming to light show just how
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violent, how organized and how dangerous the siege on the capitol truly was. now there are calls for more armed protests. the covid crisis. the devastating surge in cases and deaths continue as vaccination efforts are struggling to keep up with the demand and sadly, so are funeral homes. welcome to monday. it's "meet the press daily." i'm kasie hunt in for chuck todd. house democrats are moving toward impeaching president trump within days. house majority leader told reporters there may be a vote on impeachment on wednesday. this morning, house democrats introduced a single article of impeachment backed by more than 200 members of the caucus charging trump with inkriecitem
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of insurrection. this may or may not be the final version of what the house will vote on once they actually do hold a vote on it. democrats are also trying to pass legislation calling on vice president pence to invoke the 25th amendment. it failed in a unanimous con sent vote this morning and they could hold a full house vote as early as tomorrow. at the white house, an increasingly isolated president has been walled off from his supporters on social media. businesses and donors are abandoning him and some congressional lawmakers have grown distraught over his behavior especially amid new revelations about last week's siege. as terrifying as it was to watch in realtime, this attack was more sinister and dangerous than many initially believed. some of the video you're about to see is pretty graphic. new images show rioters crushing a police officer who was trying to defend one of the buildings
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entrances. one point using an american flag. another shows cry rotters throwing crutches and beating people with trump flags and as amentioned that american flag. we also see rioters outfitted with paramilitary gear and restraints entering the building as you hear people yell things in other videos like where is nancy and hang mike pence. the reality is sinking in that lawmakers lives were very seriously in danger because of a mob incited by the president of the united states. here is speaker pelosi in an interview that aired last night. watch. >> what happened was a terrible, terrible violation of the capitol, of the first branch of government, the legislative
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branch. he's done something so serious that there should be prosecution against him. >> let's get the very latest. let me start with you just because we saw this action unfold an hour or two ago on the house floor what's the debate among house democrats how to proceed and how do they balance the clear imperative that democrats are feeling to vote to remove this president as quickly as possible with the reality that many acknowledge they will need republican support if they hope to actually convict president trump? >> reporter: there is overwhelming support among democrats to do something, to hold the president accountable.
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it's now supported by 213 house democrats. that is near a majority of the house of representatives and me meaning it will pass the house of representatives if they get a couple more members to support it. as far as where republicans stand, that is the question. there's a lot of discussion about if republicans are going to come out and join democrats in these articles of impeachment. if so, will it be a few? will it be a few dozen? that's really unclear. we're also watching what's happening in the senate as well because senate republicans also have a big choice to make. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell over the weekend circulated a memo to his members saying the earliest that impeachment can come up is january 19th. that is the day before biden's inauguration and that is essentially telling his members
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and telling the senate and telling the country that, look, senate democrats will be in control of the senate very soon after biden's inauguration, after the georgia senators are sworn in. is this what you're going to want to do during a biden administrati administration. i'm told by my sources that mcconnell is giving his members a lot of space to come to their own decision on what they want to do. something that's weighing very heavily on them is not just the 2022 midterm elections but also tied into that the fact that there are a lot of corporations and a lot of people who will no longer willing to donate to republicans or the republican party at this moment in time. that has big political ramifications for the future as well. a lot of republicans, especially are grappling with how to deal with this and how to act. >> it's a very real threat. the kind of threat that might actually prompt us to see change in behavior from what we have
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seen over the course of the past four years. peter alexander, let's pick up there. first, we'll start with the current president and i want to talk about the incoming president but for president trump, he's been silenced by social media companies. we don't have that window that we sometimes get into what he is thinking. what do we know about his plans for the final nine days of his presidency? >> reporter: it's a good question. the president as of right now is planning to go forward with plans as if nothing happened last week. just moments ago as i was standing here, we heard from the white house that the president as nbc news reported would be awarding the republican congress member from ohio, jim jordan, the medal of freedom. no indication that's happened yet. it's remarkable given jordan is one of those republicans in congress who supported objecting to the certification of president-elect joe biden's
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victory. tomorrow we know the president is planning a trip to go to alamo, texas. not the alamo but the border town. what his aides view as a legacy trip to focus on construction of the border wall to highlight some of his pleasuremenaccompli. some reporting he might make remarks about his accomplishments and complain about big tech, frustrations with the social media companies and others that have banned him. a white house official telling us at this point that remains under discussion. no clarity what he will do. you hit it on the head in your sfw introduction. the president remains isolated but very defiant in this moment right here. president trump, barely less than a week and a half until he's out of office facing pressure, increasingly likely he would become the first american president to be itch peempeache. a lot of happens on what his
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former running mate mike pence will do about this. we have witnessed the growing divide between the two men as we have reported. it appears that pence and the president did not speak since wednesday of last week. president trump, we're told by multiple people familiar with the matter, never reached out to pence or his family while they were hunkered down in the capitol as the riots were taking place. if the 25th amendment is to be invoked, mike pence would need to support this as well as a majority of the 15 members of the president's cabinet. our reporting, according to those familiar with pence's thinking is that pence opposes that. impeachment would look increasingly like the best course going forward. this in some ways what we witnessed was dramatic. in some ways it was not surprising. the president who has amplified the calls over the course of the last several years under all the circumstances matly encouraging his supporters at the rally to head up to the capitol this
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would end the way it did is awful but not entirely surprising. >> that, i think, is something we're all grappling with here as we learn more and more about the violent nature of that and the incoming president is going to have to decide how he wants to grapple with this. he ran on that message of unity. i think there's a lot of people who were looking for that but trying to figure out,000 ma howe sure there's consequences. thank you both very much for kicking us off this afternoon. joining me now is pennsylvania democratic congresswoman dean. she backs the removal of president trump through the 25th amendment or impeachment. thank you so much for being here. we are glad that you and all of your colleagues made it out safely after those riots last week. we have learned many additional terrifying details about just
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how organized this protest was. i'm hoping you can take us behind the scenes of the conversation you're having with your colleagues on the democrat side, inside the democratic caucus about how best to proceed and also if you have spoken to any of your republican colleagues who may be willing to sign onto something you're doing here to an impeachment article and vote to impeach this president after what happened on wednesday. >> thank you for having me. i was thinking about you and your colleagues. i don't know who from among your colleagues was up in the gallery where i was but there were press in the gallery when all of this went down. it was an incredibly frightening time. terrifying. it seemed ungodly, other wordily, would not be happening and of course it was happening. i hope everybody is safe and work their way through it. >> thank you. our colleague haley was up there with you. i know that several of you were very helpful to her. we thank you for that as well.
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go ahead. >> in terms of where we go from here, we're in such unprecedented, doesn't begin to touch it anymore. we have a president of the united states who is so out of control, who incited by his words and his deeds and his actions and those who he put around him, a storming of the capit capitol. literally an attack on our democracy, that precious temple of democracy and attack on all of us. as we see more and more of this reporting, what you probably understand those of us evacuated from the capitol, from the gallery and put in a secure holding, we did not have a television in front of us. when they told us that some people had breached the capitol and that they were as close as the rotunda at the time we were evacuated that we put our gas masks on because tear gas had been deployed, that we get down
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and seek cover. i thought it was only maybe a handful of people. it wasn't until i got to a television in the room of the room we were being held in that i saw the gravity of this. this president must be held accountable. i signed on immediately. called for the resignation of the president, called for the invocation of the 25th amendment by vice president pence. i still call him to do that. that would be one thing he could do to redeem some part of his public service. we know the president never was hoping to public service. he was hoping only for self-service. vice president pence should call and invoke the 25th amendment. shy of that, we will impeach this president. >> congresswoman, my question and mcconnell has laid out mitch mcconnell, if you impeach, it would head over the senate. there would be a trial. jim clyburn suggest hold the
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articles, not start a trial for fear a trial might overtake the first weeks or months of joe biden's incoming administration and potentially serve to derail his agenda or divide the country. what is your opinion? should if democrats impeach this president and the votes seem to be there to do it, should they send the articles to the senate right away? >> i failed to answer your question about speaking to republicans. i did speak to some republicans at the time we were being held and to say do you recognize many of your colleagues have gone too far. we have extraordinary minds, extraordinary men of history who understand where we have been and that is jim clyburn. he was a teacher of history. i am of the mind right now because of the urgency of the
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moment and the anger that i feel that we must put down an indelible marker. impeach the president and swiftly try him in the senate. that is my hope. i understand the wisdom of the other opportunity but this is such an extraordinary moment that we must meet it with extraordinary speed and do it well. we can have an impeachment vote. you see us bringing it to floor very quickly. i'm in favor of that. the evidence speaks for itself. america has watched in horror as this president incited insurrection and an attack by people of our country against our country. i think the senate says we have to participate in this. we have to make sure that we shut this down. >> they voted to overturn the
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electoral college votes because they were afraid for their safety and the safety of their families. what's your response to that decision to vote to overturn the election because of that fear and do you think that republicans will join you in impeaching the president if you do it this week? >> i hope that we will have republicans join us. you saw we have 205 co-sponsors. i was an original co-sponsor early on. i hope republicans will join us. this is a defining moment. shame on those who brought up the challenges. as you know, pennsylvania was challenged. i had the chance to argue on the floor. shame on those who brought thousands challenges and even greater shame on those who after shouting insurrection and attack on the capitol continue the lies and the argument on the floor. for people to vote based on their safety, that simply wrong. we vote based on our oath of
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office. we have no idea how deadly that could become. it was deadly. five people have lost their lives. a capitol police officer was slain. i worry for my safety but that can't change my vote. i have to vote what is correct. i have to vote what is constitutional. that's a silly excuse for how they cast their votes. i didn't feel safe today so i voted the wrong way. that's not how it works. >> congresswoman, thank you very much for taking some time with us to explain your per speckive and your experiences on wednesday. we're glad you're safe. thank you for the time. >> thank you. ahead here, the debate in both parties over how to hold the president accountable for urging on the mob that stormed the capitol. lawmakers facing fears of not just political consequences but as we were talking about, their own safety as well. later amid calls for more
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. welcome back. as the house prepares to vote on impeachment president trump again, democrats are trying to determine how hard to push for his removal and republicans are trying to wrap their arms around the consequences if they aggressively break with trump. i'd like to start with you. you're a member of boehner land which is the circle of aides and advisers that worked for boehner when he was speaker and we have
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reported he sent an e-mail out saying this is a moment to stand up. we need to do our part. we can still do good in this country. if you're a republican, someone who worked through all of this and everything we have seen through the last four years supposedly through the times. what are you thinking right now today after not just what happened on wednesday but everything we learned about how bad this could have been. how dangerous to people like yourself and others you have known and worked with for many years think about what needs to happen next? >> icalled for a lot of self-reflection.
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i think that's something missing. the president demonstrated for four years he cannot be trusted. he's a liar. some of us thought the best way to handle him was to try to put up some guardrails. to a certain degree were successful in that. at the end of the day, you have to stop and look at what matters. what is important? why are you there? i've come on this show and yours and others and try to explain the political incentives that republicans are facing back home and why they act the way they do. at some point screw your local politics. why are you there? this is fundamental to being in public office. when it got to this level, the level of who won the election, the unwillingness to say something about the honest truth, that wa probably most striking to me.
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>> will there be enough republicans to convict president trump of inciting insurrection? >> i really doubt it. i still think that you will see a handful of republicans who support it. it's still probably political suicide for them to do so. i hate to say that but it really is. the president will still continue to have this sway over them. i wish there would. there has to be some type of consequence for this. if there's any reason to impeach a president, it's for trying to lead an insurrection after you lost. the precedent that will set is so porpts for next strong man to come along. he should never be allowed to serve in office again. it's really easy to push this aside. it's easy to say this will cause more angst and violence.
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i don't want to hear that from anybody who was supporting the effort to question the results. if you want to be honest and bring people together, you need to be clear that joe biden won the election. that's a good place to start. >> it's a very, very good point. there's millions who believe the president won because their leader told them. the thing we saw from the mob that overran the capitol were racist and worse. how should this unfold? >> i hear the process about why they shouldn't impeach in is not a moment in time we should worry about the process arguments.
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the president urged an insurrection that put lives of vice president and the speaker of house in danger. if you look at the polling that's out right now, it's interesting you do have majority of americans that says the president should be removed. his approval had dropped from 44, 45 down to 33%. you do have a broader movement for his removal that i had not seen before and it wasn't in the first impeachment. this is about larger values at stake. we cannot have a president urging insurrection and the taking of the capitol without consequence.
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we cannot let this stand. there has to be consequences because if there's not consequences for this, it will happen again. this president has not seen a lot of consequences for his lawlessness and authoritarian mannerisms and it's sort of brought us to this moment where we're in, we're in a cold civil war that could turn to a hot civil war and we saw that last week. >> cornell, how if the information systems are so divergent of people don't share the same set of facts. how do we avoid going from this cool civil war you described into something worse. >> republicans are in a tough place because better or worse the base of the republican party
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is trump. they are more president trump than traditional republicans. his old boss and governor kasich and the bush's are not mainstream, they are not the heart and soul of the republican party. donald trump is. for all these calls that senator hol hawley has hurt himself. he's now the young leader of their revolt. it is problematic that republicans will not -- the you won't see republicans move strongly and unitedly against donald trump because of the politics. they fear being primaried. most don't lose internal elections. they lose in primaries. as long as trump holds sway over that group of voters, it's problematic. >> we'll see if corporate
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america moves here have any meaningful influence. thank you both. we appreciate it. coming up, after the riot at the capitol, new fears there could be more violence in dcomig bays. yet another sign of the impact of the coronavirus pandemic. the funeral homes struggling to keep up and in many cases forced to turn grieving families away. y [♪]
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welcome back. as more images come to light showing pro-trump insur rrectios insurrectionists storming the capitol, we're getting a clear picture of how violent and organized the mob was. the videos are disturbing but we think it's important to show them so you can understand the full extent of what happened. the rioters launched violent attacks on outnumbered capitol police officers in their effort force their way into the building grabbing and bludgeoning before police officers before using homemade battering rams to break doors and windows. once they got inside, rioters were prepared to do much worse. >> where's mike pence.
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where's mike pence? >> in that video you hear the mob threaten the vice president's very life. footage also emphasizes how clees we were to seeing the threats realize if not for the heroic actions of capitol police officer, including one officer who made a split second decision to single handlely lead the mob away from the senate chamber and we now know the doors were not secured when he did that. joining me now is nbc news investigation correspondent tom winter. you're learning more about what we know here from the fbi approximate tell us what you have learned? >> that's right. we have come to get an understanding that the fbi national crisis coordination center sent out a memo and it summarizes a number of memos and briefing products from the atf, dod, park police, u.s. marshals, kind of putting together a here is what we know about the world
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of online threats, open source information, social media information, information from other sources that says what are people talking about potentially doing in next couple of weeks. there's two things that have been talked about. one is the idea of protesting all 50 state capitols. in particularly those that certified the election forpresident-elect joe biden. and to demonstrate, have armed protests there. the second one is an idea of if congress, this is what the people are talking about. if congress invokes the 25th amendment, starting january 16th, there will be some sort of violent uprising in washington, d.c. most people are smart enough to know that congress can't invoke the 25th amendment. that raises questions about what the group is thinking about. this type of information is a survey of what's out there as far as what people are talking about. it's being shared among law
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enforcement so everybody has an understanding as far as what's the discussion. on that front we're hearing from some of frk bifield offices across the country. they don't have any information specific and credible to their capitols on inauguration day. they don't have anything specific to our capitols. it's important note a quick indulgence on how law enforcement intelligence works. there's the side that gathers information and says this is what people are talking about. this is what they are discussing online. some of that information is the same time that if you and i were highly trained and spent all day focusing on this, we could derive ourselves. sometimes law enforcement puts out a bulletin information that is derived from the investigations they are doing and derived from law enforcement information. we don't appear to have that
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today. basically, we have a summary of what's going on in the world and we also have the idea that specific investigations or information is being derive d. >> my question is, obviously we saw a ton of this traffic online. you and our colleagues have been report i reporting. it's clearly that wasn't taken seriously. how has the posture changed? are they taking those same groups that much more seriously now? >> i think there's been a ramp up over the last years as far as some of the right wing extremists groups to taking them more seriously. there was information and we have been discussing here today on msnbc, the idea that the nypd specifically told capitol police about the online threats and the possibility of real trouble. same with the fbi to a degree as well. i think when you look at this, i
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think everybody will look at it now and say, okay, any sort of threat information we really need to take seriously from these groups. it doesn't matter whether it's the u.s. capitol or the capitol in montana. everybody needs to be focused on this. >> thank you always. you'll continue to follow this through the next weeks and months the necessary. president-elect biden is nominating william burns as cia director. he's a veteran in american diplomacy. he served as deputy secretary of state and under secretary of state. he is also the former u.s. ambassador to russia and jordan. transition official confirms that the cia director will not be a cabinet level position in the biden administration. while that's change from the trump administration, it's in line with previous administrations. rjs co r coming up, we'll have the latest on the growing pandemic
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welcome back. we are reckoning with what happened at the capitol wednesday and what it means for the future. we're still in the midst of a pandemic that is raging completely out of control. the capitol hill physician is urging lawmakers to get tested for the coronavirus after they may have been exposed while sheltering the place at the capitol complex on wednesday where some members went maskless. congresswoman bonnie coleman of
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new jersey says she has tested positive and right now we are averaging more than 3200 deaths a day which is higher than it has ever been. more than 22,000 people are reported two have died last week making it the deadliest week of the pandemic so far. vaccinations continue to be sluggish. less than a third of distributed vaccines have been administered. nbc steve patterson is in orange county, california where funeral homes are overwhelmed by the increasing deaths as the state marks 30,000 lost to the virus. senior citizens are having trouble getting their vaccination appointments. the situation has been incredibly difficult for florida seniors. what's the status weeks after this was first rolled out? >> reporter: here in florida in the absence of there being a statewide comprehensive vaccine distribution plan, counties have been left to get creative.
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here in sarasota, the county turned to a website called eventbrite. better known for competitive tickets for concerts and parties and not so much for health care services. the senior citizens who are eligible to get vaccinated, many are feeling frustrated like their opportunity to get vaccinated is being treated the way a bouncing might treat tickets to party. i spent the day with an 88-year-old who has tried to get the vaccine and tried to get onto the website. >> we just kept clicking and clicking and clicking. freshing, refreshing, refreshing. you get this little bartha says, we got your request. looking for your tickets. there's your ticket. we never get to that third bar. it's patience, a lottery system.
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>> reporter: the county started out with about 4,9900 vaccine doses. they saw about 160,000 page visits. there are hundreds of people who are trying to get in and get vaccinated and so far haven't had any luck. >> just incredibly difficult to watch. you can understand why for that gentleman it would be so frustrating. steve patterson, let me two to you out in california where the situation is just incredibly dire and people are struggling to get their loved ones passed away taken care of. what you seeing on the scene there? >> reporter: the numbers of people that are dying from covid are so overwhelm iing that deciding to do to do with the dead is a crisis one on top of
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the other. you have several funeral homes that are turning away families because they cannot process the bodies fast enough. there's several funeral homes that are using reception and conference space to house cas t caske caskets. the process of embalming is taking longer because there's no process on how long it's taking. obtaining death certificates is complicated. turning away families is something no funeral director wants the deal with. they have been able to avoid it because they brought in these refrigerated storage spaces is house bodies. they brought in two of those mobile units now which house about 50 bodies each. we spoke to funeral director in the area who says he's not been able to deal with it. he has to turn away clients.
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here is what he's saying about this on a daily basis. >> this is unprecedented, sad, particularly when a death occurs in a residence. hospitals have their own morgues, their own refrigeration. they are getting full. at a residence they are trying to get the body picked up, i've got to tell them to continue to call and try to find somebody else and keep the body cold. >> reporter: the daily death rates are stunning. 200 people dying every day on average in los angeles county. when you broaden out to california it's more like 450 plus. all the projective modelling when you factor in the holiday travel, everybody saying it's going to get worse. back to you. >> so difficult to hear. wear your mask. thank you both. stay safe out there. still ahead here, twitter's
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on social media. as "the washington post" said, the comments made by the president were tamer than during his candidacy and presidency. but twitter says they were worried about contributing to a second attack on state government facilities. meanwhile the social media cite, parler, is now offline after amazon suspended it. parler is now suing amazon over that decision. let's listen in for one moment to joe biden. >> it is a really serious focus on holding those folks who engaged in sedition to be held
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responsible. >> sir, do you think impeachment could delay trying to pass the stimulus bill you're about to propose? >> my plan is to rebuild the economy and the way that i will be laying that out on thursday. i had a discussion today about folks in the house and the senate. and the question is whether or not the house moves forward with the impose -- can they bifurcate this. dealing with the impeachment, and a half day getting my people nominated and confirmed in the
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senate as well as -- that is my hope and expectation. >> i have not going an answer yet. >> come on, guys, let's go. thank you. >> so we got some nice there from the president-elect joe biden. he says he talked to members in the house and the senate about the impeachment process going forward here. he was asked what his take was on whether or not they could do both. confirm cabinet knob nationomin well as an impeachment trial. they're looking at how to do that. that is a significant update in terms of where democrats are. it sounds to me like it may be more likely that there is a senate trial. i want to bring in tony roam. it is great to see you i apologize that this will be a
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little approvuated here, the social media aspect of this is so important because that was used to organize what happened on wednesday. >> you're absolutely right. and actually to the point that the soon to be president joe biden was just making about accountabili accountability, we're hearing from folks on capitol hill that don't just want to take action at those that helped organize the riots, but the social media platforms that with so instrumental in the leadership of it, and those that were threatening additional acts of violence with the inauguration just ahead of us. >> so tony, at what point is there a day of reckoning for these companies? i realize that we're now here, they took these actions, but a lot of us are wondering why didn't they do it before there was a democratic senate coming in? what's next? >> i think what is next is a
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series of hearings and regulations. i think it happened for a good number of years in the trump administration. there was folks on the research side of the community, folks on capitol hill saying social media can incite real world violence. but we saw those concerns and what manifested. so what we're hearing is they're looking at new ways to hold the industry liable, to punish these industries and we heard that message from vice president joe biden. we heard this from him on the campaign trail, and we're likely to see democrat dos this as they have control of the house, the senate, and the white house into this reckoning that you mentioned is really on the horizon for this industry. >> all right, tony, thank you very much for your expertise. do i know how to say it. it was grateful to be co-workers with you in the past at
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politico. thank you for being with us. thank you also for joining all of us. msnbc coverage continues with my friend katy tur after the break. ? exactly jen! calm + restore oat gel is formulated with prebiotic oat. and strengthens skin's moisture barrier. uh! i love it! aveeno® healthy. it's our nature.™
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good afternoon. it is 11 a.m. out west, and 2:00 p.m. in the east. today house democrats trying to pass a resolution by unanimous consent calling for vice president mike pence to invoke the 25th amendment. republicans objected so it failed. in response democrats have now introduced one article of impeachment against the president for inciting insurrection. a vote come could as soon as wednesday. meanwhile ang seer is growing i washington and across the country as the gravity of what happened last week now sets in. the deluge of images and videos showing all of us just how bad it could have
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