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thanks for joining us on "the beat with ari melber" tonight. impeachment begins tomorrow, a scheduled vote. we have special coverage on msnbc from 9:00 a.m. eastern on. i will be part of it. i'm anchoring from 1:00 p.m. on, on msnbc. for now "the reid out" with joy reid is next. by this time tomorrow, donald trump will likely be the first u.s. president to be impeached twice. the house will vote on one article of impeachment, charging donald trump with incitement of insurrection against the united states government. and tonight, the walls are
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closing in. liz cheney, the third highest ranking republican in the house, says that she will vote to impeach trump, adding in a statement there has never been a greater betrayal by a president of the united states of his office and his oath to the constitution. now again, that was liz cheney, daughter of former republican vice president dick cheney. two other republicans say they, too, will vote to impeach donald trump. john katko and illinois congressman adam kisinger. even the long-time partner in the senate sees the writing on the wall. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell is telling associates he believes trump did, indeed, commit impeachable offenses and seems to be pleased that the democrats are moving to impeach him. mitch didn't emerge from his shell to say that himself. like a mafia don, he just let
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the message get out. calling on mike pence to invoke the 25th amendment and remove donald trump from office immediately. the house is set to begin the first procedural votes at any moment. house committee rules jim mcgovern and jamie raskin of maryland excoriated jim jordan, who contested some of biden's electoral votes last week even after the maga mob's assault on our capitol but who now says impeachment would be too divisive. >> i'm glad that all it took for you to call for unity and healing was for our freedom and our democracy to be attacked. but for the last several months, the gentleman from ohio and others have given oxygen to the president's conspiracy theories. >> even after a mob of violent insurrectionists staged a
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gallows outside of the congress, and chanted hang mike pence, even after they tried to force mike pence not to do his job, even after five people are dead, we continue to hear these lies and slurs about the 2020 presidential election. is there anything the president could do that would cause mr. jordan not to defend him? >> for his part, when donald trump came out of hiding today, he accepted zero responsibility for inflaming the insurrectionists, nor did he express any remorse or regret for a mob violence that killed a capitol police officer and saw a second dead a day later and left others injured. and he said his comments were totally appropriate. ted lieu serves on the house judiciary committee and is one of the co-authors of the article of impeachment and charlie sykes, editor at large. i want to start with you, representative lieu.
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i ask you both as a member of congress and a member of our military. as you are watching this nightmare go down and are preparing for the impeachment of the president for a second time, what do you make of the fact that the reporting is that there could be up to a dozen republicans voting to impeach on wednesday when, in fact, there are hundreds of republicans in the united states house, more than 100 of whom voted to overturn the election? why is it just about a dozen? >> thank you, joy, for your question. i previously served in active duty military. i never thought there would be a day when our commander in chief incites an attack on our nation's capitol, resulting in multiple deaths. i'm grateful we already have the number three republican in house leadership liz cheney saying she's going to vote to impeach. for two additional republicans. your right. there should be over 100 republicans voting for this impeachment resolution. it is very simply and
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straightforward. it's just one article on incitement to insurrection, which is also a felony, violation of a federal statute. and the evidence is in plain sight. no one disputes that donald trump gave that inflammatory speech. no one disputes that this mob attacked our democracy and people died from it. i hope we get a lot more republicans. >> do you think after this vote goes through, and it seems likely it will pass, that some of these republicans themselves, who gave speeches on the mall, who were also urging trump's followers to fight, fight, fight, and were using that kind of "lord of the rings" fight scene language ahead of the siege of our capitol, do you think some of them should also face some sanctions? >> absolutely. no one is above the law. not the president. not the president's attorney, and not members of congress. so, if you're a member of congress who gave a speech to this mob and you helped incite an insurrection, that's a
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violation of 18 usc code section 2383. the fbi should investigate whether you committed a felony and, if so, the prosecutor should charge you. >> and charlie sykes, it alsot of the 14th amendment does prohibit anyone who engaged in insurrection and rebellion against the united states from holding any office of the united states. that seems to fit donald trump and his followers. liz cheney and john katko were the first to break from trump. you have "the new york times" reporting that kevin mccarthy, who is supposed to be the leader of house republicans, asking other republicans whether he should call on donald trump to resign. there's also reporting from the national review's john mccormack that mccarthy had a call in other republicans in which he warned them not to speak ill of any republicans who did vote for impeachment because it might put
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them in danger of their lives. that sounds to me like a supposed leader of the house who understands his own voting base is dangerous. >> well, it is dangerous. and this is not over. it's not just that democracy was attacked last week. that is ongoing and may get worse. this is a remarkable moment. it feels like a watershed moment, civil war in the republican party just became a very hot civil war. i would never underestimate the power and strength of trumpism, but now republicans have a choice. and they're getting a green light from, of all people, mitch mcconnell and liz cheney. so, they're going to have a very stark choice. country first or trump first? and that's why it kind of feels like a watershed. what they're doing is they're passing out hall passes to republicans. you want to break with trump, we're going to provide you with some cover. it may only be a few dozen. but keep in mind, we have gone through four years of lockstep
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support for donald trump. no one wanted to put their head up. no one wanted to be first. now they're looking around and realizing, maybe we can say what we've been thinking for a long time. this is a remarkable moment. and, quite frankly, i do think we'll look back on what's happening right now, the way we looked back on the end of president nixon's presidency. when you had republicans go to the white house and say it is time for you to go. donald trump is not going to resign. he's not going to go voluntarily, but this is the moment that some of us have been talking about and hoping for, for a very long time, to be quite honest with you. >> yeah. no, i mean, charles, let's stay with you for one moment. let's talk about the raw political calculations of republicans right now. if donald trump is convicted, ted cruz, josh hawley and all the other people who look in the mirror and see a president will never have to run against him on a ballot. and even while he still controls a cult, a very violent cult
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around the country, over time, you know, his donors have left him. he's a toxic brand. no business will do -- deutsche bank has dumped him. in theory, they could emerge at some point. by 2024, having shaken him off -- i don't understand what the incentive is not to vote to convict. you would get rid of him. that's what mitch mcconnell has seemed to have decided. why not dump him? >> that's exactly what mitch mcconnell seems to be thinking and why he's pleased by all of this, because he thinks it will be easyer to wipe the stink off. it will attack a long time to wipe that stiffening off. this is the calculation. think about where we were a couple of months ago. people were thinking donald trump would announce he was going to run in 2024. he would be the odds-on favorite to be the nominee. he would freeze the party. and you would have the dead hand of trumpism over the republican party for as long as the eye can see. and now it looks more likely that donald trump is going to
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leave in absolute complete disgrace as his support disintegrates. don't underestimate that grassroots support for trump or the possibility that there will be a spasm of violence in the reaction to this. but now we're going to have this conversation about the republican party and whether or not it's going to continue down this path of authoritarianism, whether it's going to be married to the big lie. and i think the shock of last week is playing out here. and, obviously, congressman lieu is talking about this. you had a republican party that has been willing to look the other way for a long time. what happened last week is so awful. it was so egregious. they felt it so personally. so this feels like a very powerful, political and historical reckoning. >> yeah. and, congressman, even alex couldn't even say, you know, that donald trump ought to stay in office. he couldn't even really defend him at this point. the few remaining people around
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him that are left. sort of looking at the next week, starting with dr. king's birthday on the 15th and then the official birthday that sunday -- the weekend, the sunday before, when there are lots of church services around the country, moving all the way to the inauguration. those dates make me nervous. because a lot of this movement is fundamentally racist and race based. and so i worry about everything, every place, every church, every synagogue in this country, as well as every capital. do you have confidence, as a uniformed member of the military and as somebody who works up close to the capitol police and secret service that these agencies and that the pentagon, et cetera, are not so infiltrated with trumpists that they will actually keep the elected president, elected vice president and members of congress such as yourself safe? do you trust these agencies to keep y'all safe? >> i do. and what the american people saw
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on january 6th was donald trump's most fervent supporters beating up police officers. they murdered a police officer. law enforcement is very aware that trump's most violent supporters are coming after law enforcement, and they will try to kill law enforcement. so i do believe that law enforcement will do whatever they can to maintain safety. i was n a conference call last night with multiple levels of law enforcement, and they're very aware of what happened on january 6th, and they're going to make sure that january 6th never happens again. >> yeah. i think we're going to talk about 1/6 the way we talk about 9/11. that day will never go away in our memory, so horrific. ted lieu, charlie sykes, thank you very much. a very special guest i'll have next week on the eve of the inauguration of joe biden as president of the united states,
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speaker of the house nancy pelosi joins me for a full hour to discuss the attack on our democracy. impeachment and the road ahead for democrats. join me for the speaker, one on one. that's next tuesday, january 19th at 10:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. okay. coming up next on "the reid out," house democrats receive a chilling briefing on threats to the capitol. plus the other threat. three democratic house members test positive for covid after sheltering with anti-mask republicans. one of those members joins me tonight. back with more of "the reid out" after this. reid out" after this want to sell the best burger in every zip code? add an employee. or ten... then easily and automatically pay your team and file payroll taxes. that means... world domination! or just the west side. run payroll in less than five minutes with intuit quickbooks. woman: i have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. now, there's skyrizi.
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now just imagine for a moment if a plot to attack america was organized and successfully perpetrated by a foreign power with its
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insurgents storming into our capitol and further violent and organized attacks were coming in the days ahead. the nation would rightfully be seeing press conferences on the hour every hour. instead we heard from the fbi and the department of justice for the first time today, six days after the attempted insurrection. >> we're looking at significant felony cases tied to sedition and conspiracy. these are significant charges that have felonies with prison terms up to 20 years. >> the fbi director, the acting attorney general were not even present for this briefing. meanwhile the nation remains completely on edge over escalating fears of more violence to come, both in d.c. and across the nation. capitol police have briefed house democrats on security preparations ahead of the inauguration. according to police, there is an increased threat to the capitol. one member calling the briefing chilling and horrific. we're also hearing troubling new reports about several law
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enforcement agencies. the washington post reported a secret service agent is under internal investigation for social media posts that accused lawmakers of treason for certifying biden's victory. various law enforcement agencies have opened probes into whether their own members took part in the capitol riot or cheered on the attackers. i think it's fair to say the peaceful transfer of power is no longer a thing. that ship has clearly sailed. joining me now is lieutenant governor john federman of pennsylvania, former u.s. attorney joyce vance and intelligence analyst malcolm nance. lieutenant governor, apologies. i would normally go to you first due to indeference to your position. i have to go to malcolm first. the joint chiefs of staff today, malcolm, issued a memorandum to the entire united states military saying the violent riot january 6th, 2021, any act to
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disrupt the constitutional process is not only against our traditions, values and oath, it is against the law. nbc reports metal detectors have been set up outside the house chamber. anyone going in, including members, have to go through metal detectors. that says to me that the call is coming from way inside the house if the joint chiefs have to issue a memo like that and now republican members of congress, who some of them brag that they are -- have guns have to go through a metal detector. are you worried about the military standing behind dem ocracy on the 20th? >> i am certainly not. at the end of the american revolution, there was almost a revolution itself inside u.s. forces that were stationed at the headquarters in newberg, new york. no one was getting paid. people weren't being let out of the armed services and george
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washington almost had a revolt of his army. washington came into a meeting of the people who were actually conspiring to overthrow him as commander in chief and abandon the country. and he gave what's now known as the famous newberg address. the newberg address appealed to their loyalty as citizens to make the american experiment happen. every officer in the armed forces has read the newberg address. i suspect today the document that was written by the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, forever in american history, will be equal if not just a little bit below the importance of the newberg address. it laid out clearly and specifically that the armed forces of the united states does not only but oppose these activities and refer to the people who did it as insurrectionists and insurgents. the armed forces does not play
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in this game, i'm sure to the chagrin of donald trump. and all the people in right-wing fever swap have been saying the military is coming to the rescue, mike flynn and special operations are going to arrest nancy pelosi. not happening. we will defend the constitution, the constitution is the lawful order. and in less than a week, there will be a new president who will command all u.s. forces. >> that makes me feel better. hearing about the secret service person -- i have tremendous respect for the secret service. they're such great professionals and protected the first black president for eight years. i know they know what they're doing. the military, been around military folks, you want to believe these two institutions are not corruptible. maybe some ex-military might participate in shenanigans but we have to be able to trust the national guard, the secret service, the uniformed military are going to protect our democracy. that makes me feel really much better.
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now we'll go to you, lieutenant governor federman. on the issue of police, we've seen investigations, one of -- all over the country, in various states, where law enforcement officers who were off duty were part of the mob. now that these officers and their unions, to be very specific, understand that there were cop killers in that mob and that police are also the target of the people like the bugaloo boys who are promising to come back to d.c. and have killed cops, do you think now they understand that this unbreakable support -- particularly white police officers, to be blunt, and donald trump, is that spell broken in do you trust uniform police to protect your capitol? apparently that's also being threatened. every capital. >> i do. i do very much. and this idea -- i think everybody -- certainly, by far and above the threshold of the critical mass was horrified what they saw on january 6th.
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i do. and i don't think anyone's tolerance for insurrection or movement in that direction will be tolerated. i think everything will be on lockdown. they're going to expect the most extreme kind of attempt. i don't think it will amount to much of anything. i do not believe that if there are any sympathizers at this point, they are a tiny, tiny minority of them. and i do not suspect they are going to align themselves with a fringe organization that has demonstrated that they are willing to kill members of law enforcement in order to try to advance all of this, which is entirely predicated on a lie that the election was stolen, that everyone from the president on down knows. >> so that is good to hear as well. this brings me to you, joyce. because we had some failures of imagination. one of the main failures of imagination was that you had people, it seems to me, from the
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fbi down to the capitol police could not imagine that groups of white trump supporters, of white conservatives could ever be dangerous. that they're not dangerous by default, because they're groups of white people. they presume all sorts of stuff when it's black lives matter groups that are coming. we're having reports today that fbi had reports that there was going to be war, that fbi office in virginia issued an explicit internal warning that extremists were preparing to travel to washington to commit violence and war. that's an internal document we're getting from the fbi. that was ignored. and i ask you whether or not we can trust the agencies that have been denuted by donald trump in the last four years to do their job. in the post 9/11 era, muslims were vertebrasly surveiled
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relentlessly. relentlessly infiltrated by the fbi. people were knitting peace blankets were surveiled. when it's anti-war and muslims, they go in. do you trust the department of justice to go in now, ahead of the 20th? >> i do. i trust the leadership in law enforcement and i trust the career people to get this right. look, joy, everything that you're saying confirms what we know, that leadership really matters, and that donald trump was a wholly deficient leader. we don't have to look any further than the fact that he perverted intelligence, which depends, in the law enforcement sense, on getting the facts and using the facts to assess the risk. and because the risk posed by white supremacist organizations did not fit into donald trump's preconceived notions of america, law enforcement, dhs and some of the agencies lost funding and they were essentially forced to
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relinquish that part of their operation. we saw it from the bulletin from the norfolk fbi office, from other agencies that fought to put forward this information. now that we've gotten past wednesday's events and people are looking at risk in a little bit clear eyed of a way, i think that we can have comfort that this work will return to normal, that it will be done in the way it needs to be done, based on facts and not bias. >> for their honor alone. very quickly, joyce, and then to malcolm next. we now note these extremists, off regular social media, are moving to these dark web places, secret online channels to try to communicate about coming to d.c. can you talk about the limits law enforcement have when it comes to american citizens who, even if they're communicating madness online, they can't really -- what can law enforcement actually do? >> sure. when groups like this get deplatformed, they move to more
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fringe parts of the internet and then law enforcement has to chase them down and start over again. and you'll hear there is some concern in law enforcement about whether or not they have the tools that they need to keep tabs on domestic terrorist organizations. those tools are more abundant in the foreign terrorism spectrum. there's an important conversation to be had when this need to get information and intelligence about criminal activity bumps up against cherished civil rights. i think that's a nuanced conversation that needs to include all the equities. >> yeah. >> but the reality here is that there's a plethora of investigative tools that can be brought to bear right now. >> you're right. we have to have a whole other conversation about the civil liberties impact if we were to create domestic terrorist legislation. we'll come back to you for that. malcolm, the secret service has changed the secret service detail to bring back obama-era secret service to protect joe biden and kamala harris, which i think is a very good thing. we heard democratic members were
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reminded they could use government money to buy bulletproof vests. it sounds like everyone is on very, very high alert. how do you catch these people if they are americans? they have first amendment rights. if they can hide in plain sight, as the hairdresser and the florist down the street? how do you stop an insurrection that's launched by american citizens? >> you know, the week after the election, i was on bill maher's show and talked this very point. we have just entered insurrection. next week, we are going to leave insurrection. we are going to be an insurgency. an insurgency is where they will go underground and they will operate in a clandestine manner. their political body will be above ground trying to delegitimize people. how do we deal with that environment in the united states is essentially, you know, occupied iraq in 2003. it's simple. there are two factors that these
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people are afraid of the most. one is the efficiency of u.s. law enforcement. no matter what you say about cops, we know there are some really bad cops out there. most cops really like law and order. so if anybody wants to get froggy with their weapons and come out and pretend like they're a militia man, they'll quickly determine, find out why we fund s.w.a.t. teams. and i trained them. these people are very, very good at what they do. if there's any shooting to be happening, there's going to be shooting that's going to go both ways, and the professionals are going to dominate. on the other hand, there is the approprium of the people of the united states. in simple talk, we should shame them. these people are no longer patriots. they are insurrectionists. they are insurgents. at some point very soon, some of them will choose to become terrorists, where they will choose terrorist tactics and carry out a terrorist action.
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these two will break their will to a certain extent and take away their belief that they are the true americans and sons of liberty. they are not. they're a really bad version of the british. >> very thorough. lieutenant governor fetterman, i'll give you the last word on this. you are charged with trying to protect your capital. there have been threats that all capitals, particularly in states like yours, which were some of the determining states for the biden/harris victory, michigan -- in michigan the attorney general there said it ain't safe. she said my job is not to apply state employees and visitors to our capital with a false sense of security. the michigan capital is not safe. how do you make sure your capital is safe? >> our capital police are on high alert. they've already put out a show of force. and i am not concerned. i certainly would not get to the point where i would say that. but also michigan had a plot
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where they had planned to capture and maybe even harm the governor of michigan. so, circumstances there are a little different. but last tuesday, there was a demonstration of a couple hundred angry trump supporters underneath my office balcony. certainly the threat is there. i think our capitol police are equipped and understand that they have to remain very vigilant to this kind of threat for the foreseeable future, at least until donald trump is out of office. >> yeah. i think the idea, the bottom line is that law enforcement will have to rethink what they think is dangerous. black lives matter. that ain't the threat y'all. that's not who is trying to overthrow the united states government. you'll have to start looking at those people who are backing donald trump to the hilt. thank you all. stay safe. donald trump's stunning but not at all surprising response to the deadly assault on the capitol that was committed in his name. stay with us. mitted in his name stay with us
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house republican leader kevin mccarthy, senator lindsey graham and other politicians proudly boarded the trump train back in 2017. the people who styled themselves as principled conservatives traded the core values they said they had for trump beans and money and judges. while blood thirsty
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insurrectionists hunted some of those same politicians down, trump, their dear leader and the man who promised to end american carnage was too busy to take their calls for help. what was he doing? according to "the washington post," he was enjoying the show on tv, transfixed by the kriez and buoyed to see that his supporters were fighting so hard on his behalf. days, weeks and months before the assault, congressional republicans were more than happy to help keep up this big lie about a rigged election. here is kevin mccarthy days after the election, urging all republicans to keep up the fight. >> republicans will not back down. we will not wait four years from now to change this. we are going to fight this now and we're going to change it. >> but today they're calling on democrats to turn the page and just move on from the murderous
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assault. they're also trying to reconnect with their long, dormant moral consciences. reports of mccarthy's alleged bravery were leaked to axios. according to officials familiar with the call, quote, unquote, trump refused to accept his supporters role in the siege as he ranted about the election and exasperated mccarthy had to tell the president, stop it. it's over. the election is over! brave. here is the thing. as they say in the stores, you break it, you own it. after the break, why nobody is buying the republicans' new calls for peace and unity. stay with us. y. stay with us a new era has begun so keep pushing forward... because this is twenty twenty won make a different future start different at godaddy.com
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while the republican party attempts to distance itself from the failed coup attempt last week, remember it was members of that same party fang the flames ahead of the attack on our capitol. >> call your congressman and
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feel free. you can lightly threaten them and say, you know what? if you don't start supporting election integrity, i'm coming after you. >> basically, in effect, the ruling would be that you've got to go as violent as antifa and blm. >> we will not go quietly into the night. we will defend liberty into the future. and we are going to -- >> today is the day american patriots start taking down names and kicking ass! are you willing to do what it takes to fight for america? >> hmm. joining me now, staff writer at the america and tim miller, from the bulwark. tim miller, i basically kidnapped you from nicole's show. i enjoy watching you with
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nicole. a year is but a day. she said today is 1776. you had marjorie taylor green, the qanon lady, it's our 1776 moment. they were all talking revolution. but now they're like, oh, wait. that was me? i didn't mean any of that. how can the republican party, by any stretch of the imagination, try to distance themselves from what happened on the 6th? >> well, joy, nicole is happy to run me out. so thanks for having me. there's no way to distance, and watching those clips got me mad all over again. but i want to just go even a step further than you did, which is we all know that lauren boebert and madison cawthorn, mo brooks and ted cruz incited this insurrection over any phony fraud claim they fabricated and the smart ones knew they
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fabricated. it went much deeper than that. on the night before the insurrection, kelly loeffler was on stage in georgia with donald trump, and she said that i will vote tomorrow to overturn this election, to raucus applause. every republican celebrated kelly loeffler when she ran on a pro-coup georgia run-off campaign. she supported an overthrowing the election based on fabricated fraud. there wasn't a single republican that said wait a minute, i don't know that i can support somebody that's running for senate on a pro-coup platform. not one person said that. she said it on stage with the president. they spoured her. mitch supported her. rnc did. this went all the way down. adam kisinger, there are some exceptions but 90% of the republicans in washington supported the insurrection. it was just a matter of whether they silently coddled it or
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actively encouraged and incited it. >> on the silently coddled side, i put mitch mcconnell, who was happy to let the insurrection whip up what he thought were votes to keep him in the majority but when the jewish guy and black guy won, he was suddenly like, i'm sick of this trump guy. he got his judges and lost his majority because of the result of the senate race, which he blames on donald trump, now he conveniently is like, right side of history, jumping over. it is not credible. >> no, it's not. you know, it's strategic. you understand what the calculations are there. but, you know, the fact of the matter is that people saw this coming from a mile away. and, you know, to give you another comparison that's really not very deep in history at all, but when we saw the destruction, the bombing of the oklahoma city building in 1994 and that
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target, 168 people killed, it was directly connected to the rhetoric that people had been using, anti-government rhetoric, which had become prominent then as now in the republican party, and the reckoning with consequences, saying even if we didn't directly nurture and assist timothy mcveigh and what he did, we created a climate in which these sentiments thrive. people have forgotten that message and we find ourselves, a generation later, right back in that same sort of situation. >> and i wonder if the only incentive, tim, that pulls republicans out of it are the main incentives, electoral if they realize there's no base for it. there is obviously a huge electoral base for it, let's be honest. you have donald trump losing his precious open. that's going away. you've got major companies like
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jp morgan chase and microsoft and blue cross and everybody jumping off the ship of the republican party. rick scott has no idea how he will raise money as the head of the republican senate committee that's supposed to raise money. at the end of the day, do corporations actually have more ability to reform the republican party than any republican? >> yeah. hey, one cheer for corporate america here on msnbc. the government and the republican party has failed, joy. i'll give you the bad news first. as far as the political incentives, they'll remain to stay with president trump. this has been a bottom-up thing. the mob, the maga mob has been the tail wagging the dog for the last five years. and these senators and these house members respond to their support, their voters. their voters will want them to stand with donald trump by a clear majority, despite the fact that he attempted a coup. in order to get them to act, it's going to have to be
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political pressure from d.c. it's going to have to be hopefully even more information about how complicit donald trump was, sitting in that white house, as this attack came out. and thanks to not just the corporations pulling out money but deplatforming from big tech finally doing the right thing, donald trump can't intimidate them over twitter like he has been able to do the last four years. i don't want to be loose with the football here, republicans do the right thing but if they do, it will be because of that kind of pressure, not bottom-up pressure from voters. >> i agree with you. jelani, final word from the historian here. on the democrat side, do you think it's important then -- does joe biden need to do this big public, you know, inaugural? you know, it's a show of force against a foreign insurgency or attack on the you state is one thing. he now has to do a show of force against americans who attempted to overthrow him even before he was sworn in.
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your final word. >> if you remember back not very far in history, in 2008 when barack obama was inaugurated, and he got out of the limo. and everyone was terrified, because of the sorts of threats that surged and were swirling around him. >> yeah. >> it with him. i think it sets a tone to say you're not afraid of these people. that said, i think there really need to be comprehensive measures taken. perhaps this doesn't happen in the same way. perhaps it happens indoors. covid also means we're going to have to change lots of things, anyway. i think maybe it's okay if we have an inauguration that looks very, very different from the way it traditionally has. >> yeah. tim miller, thank you both for being here. i really appreciate you. meanwhile, some republicans refuse to wear masks while sheltering during the insurrection. now three democrats have covid.
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rochester. >> and now three democratic members of the house have tested positive for coronavirus, bonnie watson coleman of new jersey, pramila jayapal of washington and brad schneider of illinois. bonnie watson coleman, a 75-month cancer survivor, wrote, i got covid because the republicans refused to listen to facts. pramila jayapal wrote, on top of a domestic terror attack. and brad schneider is angry at
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the selfishness and arrogance of the anti-maskers who put their own contempt and disregard for decency ahead of the health and safety of their colleagues and our staff. brad, how are you feeling? >> hello, joy. i'm happy to report that i'm asymptomatic, but i'm angry that so many of my colleagues were put at risk, and now three of us are diagnosed as positive, and i'm just hoping for a fast recovery for all my colleagues and for everybody in the country dealing with this. >> you have every reason to be angry, all three of you do. one of the three of you is a cancer survivor. it was completely not your fault. i want to read a little bit from leanne cobble, one of our reporters, who has this reporting on one of your colleagues. his name is representative mike kelly. it says representative annie custer tells me she asked representative mike kelly to put on a mask. he refused and said, i can't breathe. which in and of itself is
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something. kelly denies the exchange happened shsz but he adds his risk to others is minimal because he has antibodies from a march diagnosis. you need to wear a mask even if you have antibodies because there is no science confirming you aren't able to spread it. did you get the sense that the republicans in the room with you just didn't care about covid, didn't believe covid is real, or in a sense, felt they had a right to spread covid if they had it? >> i think it's just sheer contempt, as i said in my statement. i think they look at their colleagues, i think they look at not just our fellow members of congress, it's the staff, the people who work in the capitol, it's people who fly a plane and refuse to wear a mask saying, i don't care about you, this is about myself. it's not just disrespectful, it's disgraceful. >> there is an attempt now -- there are house members that will now be fined if they don't wear masks on the floor, fined members not wearing a mask on
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the house floor will be included in the house tonight. there will be a $500 fine for the first offense, a $2500 fine for the second offense. do you feel that yourself, your staff members and other members of congress, should be able to sue other republican members that deliberately put you at risk? >> it's a complicated question. i know my greatest exposure was during that five hours we were in the secure space during wednesday's attack on the capitol, but i can't say for certain that's where i got infected. i was in the capitol all day thursday. i've been driving back and forth to try to reduce my exposure, but i still made pit stops along the way. just out of respect for each other, a face mask is not a political statement. a face mask is a simple device to try to reduce the spread of this virus that is causing death and devastation across our country. we could do this if we work together, and that's why i'm so upset about the disregard of my
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republican colleagues. >> we know that nationwide they're at 22.8 million americans that have covid, along with yourself. there have been 379,000 people who have passed away, and we know that washington, d.c. is now reeling from a new outbreak in the wake of the riot. are you concerned that we are not going to be able to get this virus under control, even with vaccines because of the attitudes of people like your republican colleagues? >> i'm very concerned. first, everyone should take a vaccine. i had my first vaccine on monday the 4th. i was exposed on the 6th. the vaccine doesn't take effect for a couple weeks, unfortunately, but if we don't take the vaccine, it spreads at such a rate. you mentioned 2100 infected today. two weeks ago it was less than 1500. the more people who get sick, the more people will die. if we wash our hands, keep our
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distance and we get the vaccine out in a structured way, and we work as one nation, not republicans, democrats, city or rural, we have to work as one nation to get it done. >> yeah. absolutely. congressman brad schneider, wishing you the best, as well as pramila jayapal and bonnie watson coleman. feel better. that is tonight's readout. "all in with chris hayes" starts now. tonight on "all in," donald trump has never been closer to impeachment and removal from office. tonight breaking news that mitch mcconnell will turn on his partner in the white house and attempt to purge the president with impeachment as the house prepares to vote the bipartisan push to remove trump. then -- >> we're looking at felony cases tied to sedition and conspiracy. >> what we learn from the first big briefing about last week's attack on the capitol and the clear and present danger we still face. all that and the growing push to

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