the election. >> timethy snyder, thanks for being with us. and that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports," kasie hunt is in for chuck todd, up next on "mtp daily," only on msnbc. if it's thursday what happens to this country next? after the president's second impeachment. mitch mcconnell won't rule out a conviction, and president-elect biden is set to speak in prime time as washington braces for both a transition and a trial amid historic threats of violence and unrest. plus, in a taped address the president urges his supporters to remain peaceful. but is it too little too late after so many lies about our election were embraced by so many? and, new dire warnings from the white house coronavirus task force as 100,000 americans could

die. just in the month of january. welcome to thursday, it's "meet the press daily," i am kasie hunt in for chuck todd. the severity of this country's divisions and the dangers that lie immediately ahead seem to be on display more than ever before. ten house republicans joined with house democrats to impeach the president yesterday which makes it either a stunning bipartisan rebuke of trump or a stunning reminder of his political power over so many in the party. the next stop, the trial in the senate where majority leader mitch mcconnell has publicly said he has not ruled out voting to convict president trump signaling just how divided the party might be about the road ahead or just how concerned

mcconnell is about the president's actions in the coming week. for president-elect joe biden we now know that the start of his presidency and the start of the senate's impeachment trial are possibly going to happen at the same time next week and biden is trying to figure out what that means for his ambitious agenda, which he will be talking about in prime time tonight. meanwhile, the threat of more unrest and violence remains as the inauguration and the trial of course will both be taking place at a capitol building that was attacked. just a week ago. and is now being occupied by security forces in ways you'd really expect to see in a war torn country, not here in america. amid the unrest of this moment, just hours after being impeached the president released a video message, not mentioning the house's actions, but condemning the attack on the capitol that prompted the impeachment and urging his supporters to stay peaceful in the days ahead.

>> i want to be very clear. i unequivocally condemn the violence that we saw last week. no true supporter of mine could ever endorse political violence. no true supporter of mine could ever disrespect law enforcement or our great american flag. no true supporter of mine could ever threaten or harass their fellow americans. if you do any of these things you are not supporting our movement, you're attacking it, and you're attacking our country. we cannot tolerate it. >> that is a pretty clear contrast to what the president said when he incited that deadly mob last week, and then told them to remember this day forever and, quote, we love you, you're very special. let's get the very latest from our reporters, joining me now from capitol hill is nbc's leigh ann caldwell, and nbc's kelly o'donnell is outside the white

house. leigh ann, let me start with you as we try to figure out collectively, and i know we've been going back and forth with this among ourselves all day trying to report out what happens next in the senate. mcconnell put out that timeline -- or at least, i'm sorry, we have come to expect that if, in fact, we go along with the timeline that mitch mcconnell has set that the trial could actually start an hour after joe biden is sworn in, but it is up to democrats to a certain extent as to whether it happens that way. what are you hearing? >> reporter: it is, kasie. so it's not up to the majority leader, which is going to be mcconnell for another week or so, or the minority leader, schumer, who is going to also take over the majority at some point next week. that's another factor that we don't quite know yet either. depends on when the two georgia senators, democrats, are seated, giving schumer the majority. but it's not up to them individually. they have to come to an agreement on what this trial

would look like, how long it could last, when it's going to start, and we are told by the schumer office that they are currently in negotiations and discussing such things with republicans. so it's going to be a big back and forth. we are told on what this impeachment trial could look like. we know that democrats are worried about it interfering with the beginning of the biden administration, the very first days when they are trying to stand up a government, to get his big nominees through, to get him staffed so he can start governing. there's some rumblings on capitol hill of people who democrats especially who are calling for a very quick trial, something that perhaps lasts just one day. some democrats think the evidence is all there. this isn't a complicated case

like the last impeachment was. it's much easier to explain. it doesn't need days and weeks of evidence. instead it can be done really, really quickly, get done with it, move on, let biden -- let the biden administration get to work. but it depends, republicans have to agree to some of that too, kasie. >> so leigh ann what are the incentives for republicans to move this trial either quickly or slowly? last time mcconnell really wanted to get through it, the badges they gave us to cover it didn't even say impeachment on them. what are the incentives this time? >> there's a few incentives for mcconnell. because if the president is, in fact, convicted in the senate then that means that he will never be able to run for office again. mcconnell wants to -- our sources say mcconnell wants to get rid of the president. he doesn't want to ever hear the words donald trump again so if he is no longer a factor for

senate republicans in 2022 and 2024 that could give mcconnell an easier path to the majority in the near future. but mcconnell is also a negotiator. he has to extract something in exchange so while he's doing these negotiations with democrats, perhaps if they want a quick trial, perhaps mcconnell's going to get something out of it and he might want to slow down joe biden's ability to stand up his government, kasie. >> so kelly o'donnell, and i know you know all the players on both ends of pennsylvania avenue, having covered the trump administration the last four years, and of course all the time that you spent up on capitol hill. it seems to me, one motivating thing here is an effort to keep the president inside the lines. he obviously crossed them all last wednesday. and this gives mcconnell a tool to say, okay, if you do what you

did last week again we are going to leave open the option of convicting -- of convicting you and making it so you can't hold office ever again. what impact does that have on the president? it's clear he listened to his aides yesterday in putting out based on your reporting do you think that holds? and how would you explain m right now? >> reporter: well, it's so interesting because we've already seen the very personal defection of mcconnell's wife, transportation secretary elaine chao resigning, we know there hasn't been communication between the majority leader and the president in some time. and he is known, as we've all covered him, we can nerd out here for a moment, that mcconnell holds his cards as close to the vest as possible. so doing that gives him some power over the remaining days of trump's term. this is the final thursday of the trump presidency. it's a can we get through thursday without any crisis kind of mind-set at this point? and so holding his own potential determination, and what that

would mean for other senators, can be a mitigating factor on the president. for example, the president giving that video address, which was not observed by independent journalists, like you would typically have with a presidential address but having very specific language in there is something that republicans who might be running for office in the senate in 2022, i'm thinking rob portman of ohio, a state the president carried by a significant margin, if there is something there that portman can hold onto to say the president has disavowed violence you might hear it parroted in speeches in a senate trial and that might be a way for individual senators based on their own issues to make decisions. now, for the president the room has gotten very small. people who have been able to be in touch with him regularly are finding they can't get through on the phone, the number of people really around the president is dramatically limited and we were surprised in some ways to see lindsey graham back in the fold because he had

said i'm done, enough is enough, i'm out, and then he was back in. he has been a bit of an intermediary between the president and senators. >> kelly o'donnell, leigh ann caldwell, thank you very much for your great reporting. someone who knows these players on the hill, someone i used to cover every day, former republican senator from tennessee, bob corker. senator, it's great to see you again, even if it's through the tv screen. thank you so much for being here. i think the top of the line question for all of us right now, you've been in these rooms, you know mitch mcconnell well, you know your fellow senators well, are there 17 of them that you think would be willing to vote to convict the president? >> i don't know. first of all, it is great to see you, i've been on a sabbatical for two years and great to be back and seeing you in the hallways. >> we miss you. >> so i think that -- look,

senators are jurists, they're not supposed to declare what their position is. it's a trial and evidence is presented. a far greater number of them are open to being true jurists where they listen to the and evidence make a decision. that's the way the people on the democratic and republican side need to be. it depends on the evidence. i'm not sure we can say there's even going to be a trial at this juncture. so i heard you all talking before -- >> wait, why do you say that? >> well, i don't know what president-elect biden says tonight, but is it really in his interest, you know for me, personally, obviously this has been a very dark moment for our country, and while republicans celebrate a lot of policy achievements, hopefully president trump will never, ever return to the oval office. to me, that -- i hope to never see him there myself. and i almost think what has happened in the house this week, which is what has been my

concern, is that to a degree it's felt very passionate, very personal, i actually think there were some republican congressmen that might have voted for impeachment had there actually been hearings. i think it's actually strengthened his hand among many people who were peeling off of him after seeing who he truly is, watching what's happened over the last couple months with the end being the insurgence at the capitol. so i think -- i'm not sure we're even going to have one and certainly i think the worst thing our country could do would be to have a show trial, where there's not really evidence that's put forth. >> so talk to me a little bit about mcconnell then, i'm sure you, right along with all of us, read "the new york times" piece on tuesday night that came across as a bombshell where he was actually pleased the house was impeaching trump. liz they knee announcing she was

going to vote against the president. how do you -- with what you just laid out. >> i have not talked to senator mcconnell. he's a very strategic, prudent pragmatist. i would say that, look, they went along. but republicans, let's face it, damaged themselves in front of the nation by not going ahead and declaring that the election had been won by president-elect biden. they did so to humor president trump so that he would hopefully play a constructive role in the election in georgia, and i would say that because of his actions those races were lost. and so extremely non-plussed. i mean, they've had to deal with a president that's volatile and unstable, and certainly appeals to the darkest of americans' emotions, hopefully to make it through, and now obviously are extremely disappointed, i'm

sure, with where they've had to be during -- or felt like they've had to be during this period of time. and what its done to our country, and certainly not most important, the most important to what it's done to our country and actually democracy all around the world. but it's what it's done to the republican brand, which has been greatly damaged by all that has occurred. >> so senator, what's the difference between what you were willing to do and what you just have laid out for us, you have painted this picture of -- i mean, i have covered this republican congress the entire time trump has been in office, and i have seen every day exactly what you are explaining and, you know, we have tried to explain it to our viewers a thousand times, but you were willing to go out there and say, i mean you called the white house an adult day care. you left washington eventually, and now you're here saying acknowledging a plain reality, that still you can't get many of your former colleagues to acknowledge in public, i mean,

what's the difference between you and them, why can't they do what you've done? >> well, look, i actually -- everybody has to decide the role that they're going to play, you know, kasie, as you know, look, i'm a business person who went to washington to serve for a period of time, and leave. and there are other people who were there playing a different role. and actually, all of those roles are important. i felt like i had a degree, 100% independence the day that i arrived. i felt like the president was purposely divisive. i knew there were character issues. i was -- you know, there were people who trusted me at the white house who were calling me, you know it was almost like they were calling, i think they were in some cases calling from a coat closet to talk about the types of things that were occurring. i was close to tillerson, had breakfast with him often, i talked to a large degree with secretary mattis.

so i was aware of the chaos that was taking place. i was aware of the unstable way that things were being conducted. and i spoke out about it. and, look, that's just who i am, and i'm glad that i did. i'm actually glad, i hate what happened, what has happened in our country, i hate whapd what happened at the capitol. i hate the way we're being viewed as if we're almost run by a tin pot dictator around the world but i'm actually thankful that people have been able to see the president's true character. let's celebrate as republicans some of the policy gains but never allow this type of person ever to become the republican nominee and certainly be president of the united states. >> well, certainly, i know you don't mean to suggest that you're glad that anyone was injured or killed, of course, in the capitol. >> no, no. >> but it is very clear that we certainly have gotten a view of the president's character that we had not seen in the past.

senator bob corker, thank you very much, we're glad you're back and chatting with us, so come back anytime. thank you very much. >> thank you, thank you very much, good-bye. and just ahead now, the trump impeachment now set to collide with the start of the biden administration. plus, democrats' growing concern that fellow lawmakers may have somehow helped the rioters. i'll talk to dick durbin coming up next. and the fbi is warning state capitols to be on high alert next week, i'm going to talk to the governor of kentucky about how he's preparing for potential violence. a video call. you got to move the phone in front of you like..like it's a mirror, dad. you know? alright, okay. how's that? is that how you hold a mirror? [ding] power e*trade gives you an award-winning mobile app with powerful, easy-to-use tools and interactive charts to give you an edge, 24/7 support when you need it the most and $0 commissions for online u.s. listed stocks.

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deal with their constitutional responsibilities on impeachment while also working on the other urgent business of this nation. too many of our fellow americans have suffered for too long over the past year to delay this urgent work." meanwhile, lindsey graham, one of president trump's most ardent supporters in the president is urging biden to call off impeachment, tweeting it's now time for president-elect biden to reject post-presidential impeachment because of the destructive force it would have on the presidency and nation. i am joined now by senator dick durbin of illinois who is the minority whip right now but is poised to become, of course, a major player in the senate majority when he and democrats take control of the chamber next week. it's great to have you here on "mtp daily," let's start with what we know or don't know when this trial may start. nancy pelosi is keeping her cards close to the vest in terms of when she's going to send that article over. do you anticipate we're going to

be starting a trial an hour or so after joe biden is sworn in as president? >> i don't know the answer to that. i called chuck schumer this morning, there's been no exchange or conversation with senator mcconnell about setting a specific time to begin the trial. keep in mind that we are waiting for certification of the election to democratic senators in georgia, their presence is important for us to establish our majority. >> so do you anticipate that they won't be sworn in on january 19th, that we may have to wait for a little while longer before democrats are in the majority? >> my fingers are crossed that we can do it on the 19th. but this is a matter of a state decision, state certification, not entirely within our control. >> so talk to me about what that decision would look like, and what the biden team would want in this scenario. i mean, it's quite a split screen, or at least, i suppose it's a splat split day, but you'd have on the one hand joe

biden taking this oath of office, transition of power immediately followed by turning the spotlight back to his predecessor as he is leaving the stage. is that something that the biden team wants on their inauguration day? >> of course not but if that was the decision made by the house to impeach this president a second time and the senate has a responsibility under the constitution. clearly what joe biden has been anxious to see since november 3rd and before is an opportunity to lead this country in a new direction. he has announced some pretty ambitious goals, 100 million americans being vaccinated within 100 days. that's an incredible improvement over the pace we've seen so far, the notion of getting america to pull together, to wearing masks and social distancing. literally to break the back of this pandemic once and for all so we can get back to the normal life we enjoyed for so long. secondly, the president-elect is announcing today his plans for an economic program, put america

back to work, get companies in a position where they can reopen or at least survive as this economy recovers. make sure that we have the logistical support for the distribution of vaccine. these are things we should do immediately. >> so senator, do you think there are 17 republicans who would be willing to convict donald trump after what happened at the capitol? >> i honestly don't know. i will tell you, i think it was a shattering experience for all of us, and we were shielded from some of the worst conduct of these mobsters and terrorists that were in our capitol building. but it still had a profound impact. members of the senate on our side. who were flat on the floor in their offices hoping that the rioters would not realize they were inside, wondering if they were going to be harmed as a result of this, to be spirited off the senate floor and to watch the vice president yanked off the chair by the secret

service and taken to a safe location. these are things i will never forget. and i think a lot of members of the senate on both sides of the aisle realize the gravity of the situation. >> yeah. do you think that senators kcruz and hawley should face repercussions in the senate for their efforts to overturn the election results in the electoral college certification? >> let's make it clear, i think they are facing those repercussions back home trying to explain how they initiated this effort to challenge the electoral vote. there have been protests in the past of the electoral vote, but never a challenge that went to the heart of whether a president was duly elected. and they have really reached a point, and initiated, and in some respects one of the senators went out to cheer the crowd on. i mean, this kind of conduct, they'll have to answer at home for it first. but the senate, i'm sure, is going to be cognizant of the fact that they went too far.

>> senator, i also want to ask you, as you were reflecting on that terrifying day, i mean, we're learning, as this investigation unfolds, and earlier, yesterday with my colleague rachel maddow, congresswoman cheryl said she had seen members of the public being given tours of the capitol the day before, people that seemed like they may have been part of the riot the next day and there are a lot of concerns that there may have been some inside help for these people. do you share those concerns, do you think that there are people inside the capitol, whether it's the capitol police or others, who are potentially or were assisting these people, and continue to be a security risk? >> none of us should pre-judge the situation until there is a thorough investigation and we know the facts. but anyone who is complicitous

in this insurrection needs to be held accountable. hundreds across the united states who were part of it, and who decided that they would advertise their participation on facebook or other places are getting visits now from federal officials and charged with crimes. if their participation in coming into this insurrection results in that sort of price to be paid, then certainly anyone who's complicitous should be involved as well. >> all right, senator, dick durbin, thank you very much for spending some time with us today, especially after such a devastating week for so many. so thank you very much for your time. >> thanks, kasie. some developing news out of michigan, former governor rick snyder could face up to a year in prison over the flint water crisis. the charges just announced 90 minutes ago prosecutors say he was negligent when he took flint off of detroit's water supply and switched it to untreated

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welcome back. as the country reels from the attack on the capitol that led to president trump's second impeachment social media platforms like facebook and twitter have been trying to crack down on far right extremists, ridding mainstream social media of the falsehood that the election was stolen from president trump, or the conspiracy fueled qanon content, or blocking major activity from major accounts like twitter did to the president or even removing whole sites like amazon did to parler. are some steps towards combatting the growing scourge of online extremism in this country. the alarming reality, some of the forces behind the content have been brewing for years. even if you can't see it on mainstream social media sites it doesn't mean the movement's gone away. the concern is that it's just further underground.

nbc news reporter ben collins has been doing very important work following these online groups for us. he joins us now. when, you and your colleague brandy have become household names for our viewers. i'm personally grateful you do this job. we were talking in the break that my producer and i don't think we could stomach seeing every day what you see. here's what i want to ask you about in terms of what happens next here. if these movements are forced further underground does that limit the exposure and conversion of new people to this, how important is it that they're removed from mainstream platforms? and then we'll talk about what they're saying and doing on these new platforms in a second. >> sure, you know, it's -- it's a double edged sword. these groups go deeper down into these smaller social networks or just websites now, forums, where they are completely in an echo

chamber, driving each other further and further into that radicalization cycle. that's where it gets kind of dangerous. these people are not as heavily scrutinized. they can't be checked by regular people. if they were on facebook saying this stuff, maybe somebody would disagree with them. but now they're just egging each other ton commit attacks, that's the dangerous part. since they are off facebook and since they are off of youtube it kind of limits their ability to recruit. i was just reading a little bit about one of the people who was in the capitol on the vice president's chair last week, and she was a school therapist. a lot of people make fun of this guy, the qanon -- he was arrested and now he's in jail, on a hunger strike -- >> the guy with the antlers, yeah. >> a lot of people are like -- this guy is into organic food and yet he is trying to overthrow the government. it's very conceivable how the algorithm has worked last couple

years. if you were into extreme movements or if you're into just like regular but alternative movements, wellness movements, into crystals, into alternative diets facebook and youtube would drive you further and further down these paths and eventually you're in a qanon group and you think the government is being run by pedophiles. these are people who are otherwise members of society who have, you know, maybe one weird kink in their personality and social media really exploited that. that's how a lot of these people ended up at the capitol last week. >> that is so terrifying. i saw that you posted a thread on twitter about how to talk to people that are taking steps toward this, because i do think people, as this has been something that has roiled the country, i've talked to people who say, oh, my god, my high school friend or ex-boyfriend, or, you know, sorority sister is

posting that they went to a -- i had no idea, how could this be? how do we talk to the people in our lives about this? what are the signs to look for, and at what point do you think people are past being rehabilitated from something like this? >> yeah, the really strange part of this right now is that there are not a lot of success stories of people who come out ofqanon. we're talking a handful of people who have been public about getting to the other side of it. when we're talking about deradicalizing people, once you're all the way in, you're pretty much -- you're gone. it's very hard to get people out of it. so you can't -- these people need to be prosecuted, they need to be brought to justice because they're not finding their way out. but there are people on the path, if somebody is sending you a flat earth video, or something, you know, silly on the internet, they can, you know, just step in right now, you can kind of stop it.

>> so ben, i do have to ask you, what are we seeing people say on these new deeper, darker channels about what they're planning for the next week? >> there were two major things, right, so one of the only positive things to happen last week is that a lot of people hit a line where they just do not accept that that violence was necessary. so either they're blaming antifa or they're off the movement. but militia movements have gotten even more extreme. they've kicked out a bunch of qanon people who think that everything is still going according to plan and donald trump will still be president on the 21st. they realize that donald trump is no longer their savior but they still want to overthrow the government. that's what's happening in these militia movements in these private chat groups where they're talking about actionable steps to do, actionable steps to commit terror attacks. that's the worry, those people are in much more private spaces, in hiding, but their urgency has really ramped up.

>> it's all terrifying. you could in some ways tell the difference in the crowd at the capitol whether you were looking at the pictures or whether you were on the ground, there were clearly people that were in some ways almost tourists in the movement, and just kind of looking around. and then there were others that clearly had pretty significant and very scary plans. ben collins, thank you so much for bringing all this to us, and stay safe out there, my friend. meanwhile, state capitols across the nation are responding to the federal warning about potential domestic terror threats. we're going to talk to the governor of kentucky how his state is taking action, up next. it's a reason to come together. it's a taste of something good. a taste we all could use right now. so let's make the most of it. and make every sandwich count. with oscar mayer deli fresh if you need the key to fresh laundry try gain flings. and make every sandwich count. they have more freshness ingredients compared to bargain liquid detergent. they have 3 super powered ingredients that fight stink

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who spoke to nbc news said the fbi and dhs were concerned about possible attacks on state capitol buildings as well as federal buildings in cities around the country. they also mentioned the homes of federal lawmakers as possible targ targets, and right now more than 6,000 armed national guardsmen are protecting parts of downtown washington and over 20,000 more expected to arrive in the coming days. that is more than the number of combined u.s. armed troops in iraq and afghanistan. right now. and joining those troops are thousands of federal and local law enforcement officers whose usual day jobs are protecting the nation's capitol. joining me now to discuss this as well as of course the coronavirus and vaccine distribution in his home state is kentucky governor andy bashir, governor, thank you so much for being with us here today and i'd like to start with the security threat. what have you learned that you're able to share with us from federal officials about threats in your state and what are you doing to try and keep

everybody safe? >> at this point what we can share is that there is a reason to be concerned but that we are going to be prepared. what we saw with the attack on the u.s. capitol is the need for a paradigm shift. just like 9/11 told us that someone hijacking a plane wasn't simply going to take it to another country and negotiate for the return of the passengers. the attack on the u.s. capitol tells us the same thing. it will not occur here in kentucky. we will be ready, and we recognize terrorists for who they are. >> what are you doing to protect especially homes of lawmakers? i know mitch mcconnell's home in kentucky was vandalized not that long ago. >> we'll be reaching out to everyone where we believe that there is a credible threat and ensuring they have the security that they need. we're going to have a much larger presence, certainly,

around our state capitol buildings, our national guard will be available and helping. we are taking this very seriously because we have a duty to protect everyone, whether it's on our capitol grounds or the streets in our neighborhoods. but i hope everyone out there in hearing all of this says enough is enough, you know we can't play patty cake with so called militias anymore and pretend they just dressed up for halloween. these are dangerous folks that want to in many cases topple our government and are willing to use violence to do it and we cannot allow this to become the new normal. it's taking it seriously, and it's condemning it every time it happens. not giving a platform to it. you know, now is the time in this country where i think the real patriots, which are our everyday americans, have to say no, and never again, and not acceptable at any time, and at any moment. >> governor, let me turn now to

the coronavirus which is, of course, the crisis that is -- has changed the lives of americans across this country and while it hasn't been at the forefront for the last couple of days because of these awful events more people are dying than ever before, and we're struggling with vaccine distribution. so let's start with your hospitals and the state of play in terms of trying to care for coronavirus patients, what do you need, do you have enough icu beds to treat everyone, what's your message to your citizens today? >> well, the covid-19 is spreading, and it's spreading at an alarming rate, both in my state again, after we went through a period where the rest of the country was increasing, and we were actually decreasing. we are seeing a post-holiday escalation. and concerns that while we haven't detected it, that the mutation may have gotten to kentucky. we still have hospital capacity. icu beds are only a problem in

one of our ten regions but we're able to help out that region through others. but it's very precarious. los angeles county filled up really quickly and look at where they are now. we are working hard on vaccine distribution. >> yeah. >> you know, there are a couple of difficulties. one was the expectations that were set, but the other is we received our first doses of vaccine before we ever received dollars to build out the infrastructure. but no excuses. our job's to build the plane while we're flying it. last week we did -- we doubled the amount of vaccines we did the week before, we vaccinated more people than we actually got doses that week and i think you're going to see that pick up in each and every state, we're going to get this done, it's going to be messy at times. it's the largest logistical challenge we've faced since world war ii but it's how we protect the lives of our citizens so we've got to have urgency and every day we've got to improve how we do it. >> so the federal government has warned here in the final weeks

of the trump administration that they may start giving more doses of vaccine to states that are more efficient in distributing it. we just had kentucky's numbers up on the screen, it looks like you've only doled out about half of the doses you've received, are you concerned about kentucky being on the wrong side of that list and losing out because of your efficiency or do you feel good about where you are? >> you've got to dip into the numbers. in our long-term care program, with walgreens and cvs, that's a federal contract that the federal government manages we had to go ahead and provide them all of the initial doses for all of our residents and staff in long-term care even though those federal partners haven't gotten to them yet. hopefully the federal government won't punish us for the speed of their program. on our side i believe we are becoming more and more and more efficient but i believe the federal government's got a job to get this out to states that, again, didn't receive the dollars to put together the infrastructure ahead of time.

we're going to make an announcement even later today about a new partnership where we're going to end up having real opportunity regionally for people to get through real quickly. we're going to get this done, we're going to get better and better each day. >> all right, governor andy beshear, you have a herculean task ahead of you, thank you for taking time out of your day to talk to us. >> thank you. coming up next the dire new warnings from the coronavirus task force on how bad the winter coronavirus surge really is, and how much worse it could get. cold coming on? zicam® is clinically proven to shorten colds! highly recommend it! zifans love zicam's unique zinc formula. it shortens colds! zicam zinc that cold!

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♪ express yourself ♪ ♪ welcome back. nbc news obtained the latest report from the white house coronavirus task force. and it is unfortunately pretty alarming. they say all metro areas over 500,000 people are in full resurgence. metros that continue to improve after thanksgiving are now destabilizing. the fall/winter surge has been nearly twice the rate of rise as the spring/summer surges which may be due in part to a mutated strain. we have had the most deaths for any seven-day period so far.

joining me now is a practicing primary care physician and the former white house director of policy. she is also an msnbc medical contributor. it is always great to see you. thank you for being here. can we start with this report. the top lines here are troubling and part of that may be due to a new variant and how fast it spreads. what do you read into these numbers around that question? >> good to be with you. sorry it is under these discussions. i read what the white house put out as well as what infectious disease doctors are worried about with the potential for that mutant virus, the mutations that we know is in the united states to potentially become a large driver of the new cases combined with the post holiday surge. combined, i think, kaci with

what you're pointing out. we have hot spots that were doing well and now they're in a resurgence. once they exhaust capacity it will be time. what they distributed around the country is only 25% of them are being used. there is a lot of questions here for what we need to do to leap -- lean in and help. putting a federal response in places where they need it is twaktly where we should be focusing on today as well as the biden administration. >> can we talk for a second about the vaccine? we learned today that the congressman from new york has tested positive for coronavirus after he informs that room with others. but what is strange about this is that he received two doses of the vaccine according to his office and still has tested

positive for covid. what does that say to you about the science of the vaccine and how people should conduct themselves. >> first, it highlights a couple things. it takes both doses and time after both doses that we saw build in the top line data. that is number one, there wasn't enough time from the two doses well as the immunity and perhaps the more important point is the point of the vaccine, not to prevent you from contracting the virus. it can still get into your system, but it stops the virus from replicating, taking over, and causing disease in your body. the initial trial data was researching if it prevented death and severe disease.

i think it is highlighting all of the lessons about what it is and what it isn't. just getting the shot alone is not enough. you need time with your body. some thought it could build up some immunity, but it is not 100% risk reduction. i think it tells us why people like myself that have been vaccinated as well. i wear full ppe and i practice all of the same measures. you saw as much as i did that we still had members of congress very close quarters not wearing masks even though many of them had been vaccinated, still a potential for a super spreader event despite the promise of the vaccines. >> really, really stunning. thank you as always for being

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