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more than i even imagined or he's still trying to prove what a man he was or things he is. >> that's all for now. i'm lester holt. thanks for joining us. right now on msnbc, a nation on edge. washington and state capitals across the country bracing for potential violence and unrest in the days leading up to joe biden's inauguration. in d.c., a massive show of force growing by the day. the national guard deploying 25,000 troops. at least 12 states have activated the national guard to bolster security as the fbi warns of potential armed protests. also this morning -- >> hey! hey!
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[ bleep ] >> hey! >> these people -- >> disturbing new video showing the capitol mob's confrontation with eugene goodman, the officer credited with leading rioters away from the senate. and a new report on how dangerously close that mob came to vice president mike pence. the fallout from the insurrection continues this morning. from alex azar, a parting shot to the president in a resignation letter. it all comes amid a new warning from the cdc about that highly contagious covid variant first found in the uk and how it could become a dominant strain in the u.s. by march. the president-elect laying out a plan in a race against this new threat. good morning, everyone. it's great of you to get up early with us.
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it's saturday, january 16th. welcome to this special edition of msnbc live. we have a team of reporters and analysts following the latest developments around the country. we begin with garrett haake in washington, d.c. and msnbc's mora barrett in harrisburg, pennsylvania where law enforcement officials are preparing for potential protests this weekend. talk about the scope of security where you are in washington. >> the bottom line is d.c. is closed. yesterday the mayor held a briefing in which she told anyone who thought they were coming here for the inauguration to just stay home. something like 12,000 national guardsmen and women are stationed all around the district. if you have ever been here as a tourist, anywhere you've been in d.c. downtown is inaccessible at this moment. it's more police presence, more security presence than i saw
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during the height of the protests this summer or during any previous inauguration i can remember. it is truly a different city than i've seen at any point in time. we haven't even gotten to the point which could be sunday night into monday when they shut down the bridges from virginia. truly a locked down capital city for the remainder of the trump administration. >> really from the pictures we're looking at, not like anything we've seen before. the city almost unrecognizable for an inauguration. that's a concern extending out to state capitals across the country. what's the security plan in harrisburg? >> local and state police are on emergency alert status here in pennsylvania. while they say there is not a specific threat made to the capitol complex in harrisburg they're cautious because of that fbi warning talking about potential armed marches at all 50 state capitols across the
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country. that said, the governor tom wolf here issuing a statement saying he does not want to see what happened in the nation's capitol happen here in pennsylvania. so he chose to activate 450 members of the pennsylvania national guard here in the state. some of them will be at the capitol. he also sent 2,000 members of the national guard in p.a. down to d.c. to support efforts as well. pennsylvania has the nation's second largest national guard, so they're pulling out all of the stops in order to prepare here locally the capitol complex and district offices across the state are closed. they set up barricades here. and the state and local police are also working in tandem to be able to provide extra support closing down roads, officers on horseback and surveillance by drone and helicopters. so police officers say that while they're used to seeing protests in harrisburg, we covered several of them over the past year, they say they're in it for the long haul and as long as is necessary.
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>> something that will be repeated in state capitols around the country. one thing we heard in the aftermath of the insurrection was that as time went on we would learn more and that is true. we have new video emerging showing what that mob inside the capitol was searching for as they tried to push past officer eugene goodman. we are learning they came perilously close to vice president mike pence, right? >> that's right. i remember watching that video on the day of the attack and the hallway in which officer goodman sort of made his stand and directed those rioters around the opposite direction is just feet from the senate floor. if you were to follow him back past the floor in the other direction you would have found the vice president's sermon nall office, that's where vice president pence and members of his family were holed up during much of the attack having refused to evacuate, wanting to stay in their post. just a scary situation in general. as we're hearing now from some officers responding, not just
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capitol police, but npd, washington, d.c. police officers who were some of the first on the scene. they're describing more terrifying accounts of that day, of the attack. take a listen to this npd officer who we spoke to yesterday. >> guys were trying to grab my gun and chanting like kill him with his own gun. at that point i was thinking, all right, you know, how to i survive the situation? then i started thinking like, you know, maybe i can appeal to somebody's humanity and i started just yelling that i have kids. i think, you know, fortunately there were some people in the crowd that recognize that i was a police officer and that, you know, i don't know, killing me was not the right thing to do. so at that point people started to kind of encircle me and offer me some degree of protection.
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>> as you said, the more we learn about this, the worse it gets. it seems we'll learn much more. yesterday speaker nancy pelosi saying she is appointing lieutenant russell honoree to lead an investigation of how we got to here and what needs to be done to keep the capitol safer in the future. >> in fact, garrett, one year to the date since donald trump's first impeachment trial there are reports of a kind of an ongoing debate among democrats about when to start this latest senate trial, how long it should go. what are you hearing and where do things stand right now? >> hard to believe we were doing another trial a year ago. speaker pelosi at her press conference yesterday refused to show her cards. she has the next decision to make, that is when does she want to send the articles over to the senate? that would trigger a set of
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rules that would require the senate to start the trial the next day. the other thing they're trying to work out is would it be possible to split the day? do work in the morning like confirming president-elect biden's nominees and then switching over to do the trial in the afternoon? that would require the consent of all 100 senators. it's not clear the pro-trump republican members of the senate want to let democrats do both of these things at the same time. there's widespread discussion about how quickly they could run this trial, perhaps even a couple days. but again, those are all still in discussion and all waiting on the decision by the speaker of the house ultimately to kick start this process at a time of her choosing really. >> garrett haake, maura barrett, thanks to both of you. i want to bring in jim cavanaugh, an msnbc terrorist analyst. you listened to an officer
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saying he was pleading for his life by saying i have kids, knowing the fear and terror these officers felt. moving forward, what's your assessment of what you can see of how law enforcement is handling security in washington, d.c. now and looking forward to the inauguration, not just in the capital but in state capitals across the country. >> let's start with washington. they're doing everything they have to do. they're doing a good job of it. but basically it's they're fighting the last war, which was last week. nobody will be able to penetrate this security, certainly not our white nationalists, extremists, they won't get in there short of some kind of drone attack or an attack on the perimeter with a car bomb, pipebomb, shooting in the air. nobody will be able to penetrate in that. so that's not where any attack is likely to come any way. it's too barricaded, it's too
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much of a stronghold. these guys don't want to get arrested. their psyche is completely different from last week. last week the president egged them on for two solid months, lied to them about the election being stolen, ginned them up, members of congress did as well. they were emboldened, went there, found lack security. they charged in and killed the capitol police officer, assaulted others. you heard the metropolitan police officers saying pull his own gun and kill him. and they're chanting hang mike pence, they're carrying nooses, building scaffolds. no one should not take these rioters in there seriously. the white hate, the white nationalists and the groups for years have said this stuff. their bible is the turner diaries, which mcveigh operated on. and the turner diaries has a chapter in there where they go
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to congress and hang congressmen. these guys would kill you. some of those that have been arrested have stated that, that, you know, they would have ripped people limb from limb or killed anybody they could get their hands on. this is a serious attack. >> so, let me -- to that point, let me ask you, obviously there's been a lot of arrests already, but the concern that has been expressed is obviously the people who are still out there. the suggestion that, well, they're just going to come back to the capitol even if just for the inauguration, they cannot go through that perimeter. if they can't get through the security, what's the ongoing threat? how do you approach this as the longer term problem? >> right. think about guerrilla welfare, it's an ongoing threat. i think state capitols have a bigger threat because they have more people who can drive in proximity to their capitol.
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they had activity in michigan, georgia and the battleground states which trump has attacked as stealing the election are more of an epicenter for problems this week. they could have a larger number of problems in michigan, georgia, arizona, even nevada. places that have been sort of contested by trump even though it's a lie. but those will be fortified by state troopers, beefed up pretty good. these extremist groups, the real hate groups, neo-nazis, the militia groups, these guys have a lot of military style thinking even though they're false patriots and, you know, insurrectionists, but they are not wanting to go to federal prison. most of them don't do very good in federal prison. i know we put a lot of them in there. they don't do time very well. they really don't want to be
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arrested. some claim they may want to die, but they're not generally a suicide force, suicidal force. so they're looking to do hit and run tactics. certainly we could see in the year going forward, bombings, sniper attacks, attacks on political leadership, law enforcement spread out in their comfort zone where they can make a hit, attack and retreat to their hideaway. that's what we're facing going forward. of course the biggest threat even more than all these people, which we had our whole life of our republic is the politicians that are supporting them. we have the president, we have members of congress voting for a lie. wehave senators who won't stand up. that's why we're here today. >> i want to ask you in our last minute about capitol police investigating these allegations that there were members of congress who may have given tours to some of these rioters
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beforehand, basically making them familiar with the layout of the capitol. last night on rachel maddow congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez had this to say about what happened. take a listen. >> there is a resolution that has already been drafted. i'm a proud cosponsor of it. it's cory bush's resolution to investigate and essentially sanction and expel members of congress that have been found by investigation to be essentially working with -- with the folks who flew a confederate flag in our nation's capitol. >> we'll leave that to the investigators, but in terms of figuring out what actually happened, how complicated or how straightforward should it be to figure that out? >> i think there will be a lot of evidence. there's going to be video of people being walked through the capitol.
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you know, mikie sherrill said she wanted to look at that. there will be visitors logs, phone records, text messages, a lot of people if they were involved with congress or staff, they might be arrested for already being involved in violence at the capitol. they may want to flip and cooperate. there will be plenty of evidence, if it's true. if it is true, they should be charged. you know, it would be treachery against the united states and all these former military people or former federal law enforcement or anybody like that involved in this, they'll not only go to prison, they would lose their pension, survivor benefits. when you're involved in insurrection and rebellion against the republic, people -- we hear a lot of talk about people in the military, they ought to stop and take pause. you will forfeit all your military pension benefits and your survivors, and you can never hold office in the united states. these are the strongest laws to protect our democracy. we need to use them forcefully.
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>> jim cavanaugh, thank you so much. always good to see you, my friend. still to come, another member of the trump administration criticizing the president's rhetoric leading up to the capitol hill riot. coming up, a look at trump's state of mind as he becomes increasingly isolated at the white house. and a quick programming note, this weekend msnbc host ali velshi is in washington, d.c. covering this pivotal moment in history. he'll explore how the insurrection and president trump's impeachment may impact joe biden on a inauguration. that's at 8:00 a.m. eastern on msnbc.
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administration's legacy but he's not actually leaving until inauguration day. yesterday talking with nbc's lester holt, he was still defending trump's response to the coronavirus crisis. >> you seem to be laying the blame at the feet of governors, but i'll remind you it was the trump administration that said 20 million doses by the end of 2020. we're two weeks into the new year, what went wrong? >> well, lester, we said we would have doses available for 20 million people that could be available. and of course that was a projection based on estimates of when fda would approve. fda ended up approving later, close to christmas. >> but projections didn't come close to meeting. the fact it is tradition for cabinet members to introduce
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resignation letters. we know the president's circle is growing smaller and smaller. how isolated is he with four days left before his exit? >> well, it's been reported numerous times over the past four years about when crises hit,flicted ones to president trump he becomes increasingly isolated and holes up in his own little hub of grievance and pettiness. but it's been true over the past week or so in a way that it simply hasn't for any of the other low points of the past four years of his administration, even the really, really low moments where the pr crisis was just abysmal for him and republicans started tiptoeing away or at least denouncing the rhetoric if not the actions of the president himself. i'm talking about things like
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the 2017 charlottesville attack. but it has gotten to a point where various former senior administration officials and former top allies and confidantes to the president have not been shy about coming out and denouncing the man, accusing him of risking overshadowing all of the things they would like you to believe are great accomplishments of the trump administration. and it's gotten to the point where trump is zeroing in on things that i think a lot of viewers would expect him to at this point. which don't include things like his treasured operation warp speed or his administration's response to the coronavirus pandemic. certain advisers have tried to get him to focus on that very issue for his final days or weeks in office. there's been very little dice on that issue. and according to our sources
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with direct knowledge of the matter, he's spent his last -- very last days in office doing things like practicing self-care and demanding from top advisers and aides printout of recent polling from different organizations that show he does continue to maintain large support within the republican party and republican voters so he can use that as evidence to remind himself that, okay, in spite of all of these people and official d.c. backing away from me, i could still have a place to remain hugely influential in the conservative movement >> there's also new reporting out that he -- we've been talking about this since he started doing pardons a month or two ago, there could be an effort to dish out another wave of pardons, said to be considering one for steve bannon. what are you hearing? >> there had been some discussions, some more
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discussions about individuals and trump allies such as mr. bannon. but when it comes to the pardons or commutations that president trump will issue in his final full day perhaps, or before he's out the door this coming wednesday, it still remains unclear according to sources in and outside of the west wing of how expansive it's going to be. particularly from the standpoint of criminal justice reform who have been pushing this president on the way out the door to issue as much mercy as possible to individuals such as low-level offenders or drug owe fernds.of pardons to be far less ambitious than they were expecting at the start of this transition. >> asawin, thank you very much for being with us. the devastating coronavirus
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now to the latest on the coronavirus pandemic. globally deaths surpassing 2 million. and in los angeles county alone a person is dying every six minutes. the cdc is now warning the uk variant could become the most common coronavirus strain in the u.s. by march. and moderna is proposing giving a third vaccine injection to phase one clinical trial patients. that's one more than the fda has approved to use. the next round of injections is part of ongoing research into how long antibodies will last.
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all of this has joe biden unveiling a new plan of attack. >> this is one of the most challenging operational efforts ever undertaken by our country. but you have my word that we will manage the hell out of this operation. >> joining me now is dr. derek cass, yahoo! medical contributor. the plan encourages states to allow more people to get vaccinated. boosts vaccine supply by releasing the majority of available doses now. sets up federally funded mass vaccination sites and mobile units to go to hard to reach parts of the country. basically what he's saying is the federal government needs to be bigger operationally. if this plan can be implemented, doctor, is it too late to arrest the surge upon the surge we're in and dial back some of the dire predictions of almost unthinkable death counts? >> it is not too late.
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it's definitely not too late. it can't be too late. every day we start working better is a day we prevent more death. we know that we have not done enough at the federal level to support the production of the vaccine, the support of vaccine distribution, the support of patients on the ground to get vaccinated. now we're seeing the biden administration come in and say we'll give the full test of the federal government to get more vaccine to states and support them to get vaccinations done. this is really encouraging to those of us on the front line who feel like we've been screaming into the void of the things we needed. >> there's still some criticism from governors in several states, they're ticked off at the federal government because it turns out the vaccine reserve was already used up when the trump administration vowed to release it. they say that the numbers they got of how many vaccine doses they were going to get is not the number they actually got. look, talk about the rollout.
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what needs to happen here now and what do you see that maybe the new administration is proposing that could get this back on track? >> that's actually part of the problem. there's been no transparency or consistency in what was coming to the states. not just week one but two, three, four. so they plan on building new centers, expanding the number of people that are eligible for vaccination and giving their populations reasonable expectations of what was coming next. now we're seeing this information that we may have less vaccine available than they told us. so what we really need is the administration to come in and get a handle on the information first, be transparent with us, the american people and the states, which will help us with what has been a horrific rollout when it comes to expectations from the citizens of america and the ability for governors and state officials, local public
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health officials to execute any strategy. >> ground zero right now is california. all projections show that state hitting another peak beginning this weekend and over the next 7 to 10 days. hospitals were already stretched to the brink. they're arguing they need more leeway to transfer patients to nursing homes and other long-term care facilities. critics sometimes call that practice dumping patients. they say it can be dangerous. take a listen to both sides of the argument. >> long before covid hit the united states these kinds of facilities, nursing homes in particular were in crisis. they were in crisis because they did not have enough staff and poor infection control, two key ingredients that support the explosion of covid in those facilities now. >> if we can't open the back door and move patients to other settings when they no longer need hospital care we're in trouble. and that means patients not only lining up in the emergency
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department but actually on the sidewalk and into the parking lots. >> this is just one more problem that people on the front lines are facing. even beyond getting out the vaccine, how complex, doctor, is the pig picture of the health care issues that are facing us moving forward? >> nursing home patients and specifically head of control infection in nursing homes has been a problem since day one. that's where the first outbreak occurred in washington state and then in new york we made decisions early on that in retrospect were not the best infection control decisions but were the ones made on the ground. now we're seeing in california where they're looking at every aspect of patient care and every place that they can use resources they have to say is there a way to get patients to a different setting safely? we know a lot more about this virus than we did before. we have to make decisions that save as many lives as possible. so if it means sending patients who are no longer infectious
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because we know when the infection basically ends for certain patients, and get them back to their nursing home even if they are technically still testing positive it's got to be something we think about. we have more patients every day coming in the door with new active infections that need the resources that those patients may be taking and we can then serve them both in a new and creative way. >> dr. dara kass, thank you very much. still ahead, experts now warning the biggest terror threat is not from abroad, it's from home grown terrorists. i'll talk with a national security analyst about how dangerous this is and whether intelligence officials are prepared for an ongoing threat. and coming up, tiffany cross has a packed show with cedric richmond, joaquin castro and congresswoman bonnie watson-coleman calling out her republican colleagues for not wearing masks during that
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capitol hill lockdown. she has covid herself now. all that on "the cross connection" on msnbc. you try to stay ahead of the mess but scrubbing still takes time. now there's powerwash dish spray it's the faster way to clean as you go just spray, wipe and rinse it cleans grease five times faster dawn powerwash. spray, wipe, rinse.
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dh dhjs and eight other agencies say these threats pose the biggest threat to the inauguration. joining us now is msnbc senior security analyst, juan zarate. >> good morning. >> how concerned should we be about domestic terrorists? >> i think we should be concerned directly not only because of what we saw on january 6th but because of concerns growing over the past few years. the we know that there's been a domestic extremism problem brewing. we know white supremacists have begun to organize better. we know there's a global movement of right wing extremists that u.s., european and other officials have been worried about. we've seen that in australia and new zealand. this is not a new concern but what happened on january 6th was of a different order of magnitude and obviously of disruption and attack on america's democracy. so what officials are worried
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about now is galvanizing or inspirational moments for these groups, and they will gain momentum in trying to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power. that's why you have so much security attention now to january 20th. >> dhs acting secretary said the department is monitoring discussions regarding riots across the country. take a listen. >> we certainly agree there's a good deal of online chatter. it is not just about washington, by the way. there's also conversations about state capitals, though very unspecific, just elevated online chatter that indicates a higher level of tension right now. it's that higher level of tension that we focus on. >> how do you differentiate chatter, bravado, from a real threat? and how should state governments
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be preparing? >> well, i think everyone should be assuming the worst given what we saw on january 6thment i don't think we can take any of this for granted or assume it's just a lot of hot air. but it is difficult. you have political speech. everyone has a right under the first amendment to express their opinion. there is then bravado and hot air out there, no doubt. but then a serious threat that authorities have to sift through. trying to determine if there's a real network emerging here is a major concern for officials. really the concern for me is is there a broader national network that is active and violent in concert? do you see things in coordination, not just protests that get out of hand in state capitols but plots and attacks being coordinated? that's when we crossed the rubicon and see a danger and
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movement to our government not just in washington but around the country. >> capitol police intelligence reports we now know warned three days before the violent attacks on january 6th that congress itself could be targeted saying, i'm quoting here, supporters of the current president see january 6th as the last opportunity to overturn the results of the election. unlike previous post-election protests, the targets are not necessarily the counter protesters but rather congress itself is the target on january 6th. what did we learn -- because we learned a lot from what went wrong here and how does that get applied to ensure that the inauguration is safe? >> i think the first lesson is to assume that these movements, these rallies are not necessarily all peaceful. obviously i think the assumption running in here was that this was a political rally first and foremost. as opposed to looking at the markers of potential terrorist
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attack or potential violent activity that targeted the actual capitol and the seat of government for the united states. so i think the very first lesson is you cannot assume there won't be violence. that there won't be mass attacks of the type we saw on january 6th. unfortunately that begins to make it difficult for law enforcement to deal with what should otherwise be peaceful protests, but with the potential that there are those willing to attack and perhaps even kill and disrupt the transfer of power in washington and other state capitols. so it's a very difficult job for authorities at this point. >> a sobering warning. juan zarate, thank you very much for being with us today. there's growing criticism this morning with four days until the inauguration of president-elect joe biden that the trump administration has been actively working to sabotage biden's foreign policy. the "new york times" editorial board headline said secretary
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state mike pompeo will leave no bridges unburned. writing on the way out the door the trump administration is trying its utmost to make things difficult for joe biden. nbc news foreign correspondent matt bradley joins us from paris. matt, what are world leaders saying? what are they saying from the biden administration, particularly our allies that will be different from the trump administration. >> a lot of u.s. allies, especially those in europe, they couldn't be more thrilled that this president is leaving the white house. but, you know, they're expecting changes but more in terms of style rather than in terms of substance. remember, a lot of those things that president trump pursued as foreign policies here in europe, those were kind of just more belligerent, aggressive continuation of a lot of obama policies. and a lot of leaders in europe are expecting a reboot of the obama administration. one of the major issues that president trump had with europe
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was the european union, the use of international institutions and his constant complaint that european countries weren't ponying up the cash to fund their defense programs to basically bolster nato when it comes to eastern aggression from russia and from china. he constantly insisted that european governments should be spending more on defense. the biden administration is probably going to be insisting upon the same thing, just doing it in a much more diplomatic way. you mentioned that new york sometimes article about mike pompeo, traveling around the world and doing things that really are so easily reversed by an incoming biden administration. all of those things are essentially obstruction. he's going to be designating the houthis in yemen as a terrorist organization. he allowed for more american officials to have better contact with taiwanese officials, which is likely to anger china at a sensitive moment. he said iran is a new safe haven
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for al qaeda with no evidence. and he said he plans to designate cuba as a state sponsor of terrorism, again with no evidence. a lot of these things can be reversed but they'll cause inconvenience for the incoming biden administration. >> matt bradley braving the elements for us in paris, thank you very much. still ahead, as many as 25,000 national guard troops will be in d.c. for joe biden's inauguration. what the president-elect is saying about the security situation and calls for him to move the event indoors. that's next.
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swearing-in indoors. reporter deepa shiv ran is in delaware with the latest for us. good morning. and what are you hearing about this from team biden? >> good morning, chris. that's right, happy weekend before inauguration. we're just four days out from joe biden being sworn in as the next president of the united states. but we know since january 6th, security concerns have been very top of mind for the biden team as well as secret service and other parts of this process. i can tell you, even just having left d.c. yesterday, there is a massive amount of security presence all throughout the capitol and the white house. this is something that's very concerning for a lot of folks involved in the process. but what you do hear from the biden team and biden, himself, is that they're very adamant that they want this process to continue outside. biden would want to be inaugurated outside on that west front of the capitol. make sure there's a sense of normalcy in all of this, despite all of the chaos of the pandemic, and of course, these riots that we've seen coming through. these protesters and rioters coming through the city. incoming chief of staff ron
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klain spoke a little bit about this yesterday. take a listen to what he said. >> this inauguration was always going to be very, very different because of covid-19. the security issues, the violence in the capitol on january 6th has only added another element to that. i have a lot of confidence. i have a great deal of confidence in the ability of the secret service and the other assets supporting them to make this inauguration a safe one. and the extraordinary measures that are being taken i think are prudent and wise, but i think they will lead to a safe inaugural event on january 20th. >> so, you hear there, chris, ron klain not just talking about the threat that comes -- that we've seen with a lot of these different groups coming into d.c., but also the pandemic. you know, having this much smaller footprint as we get closer to inauguration is definitely going to be a change in scenery, you could say. but of course, biden is still pushing forward on the promises that he's making, a speech that's going to be about uniting the country, that's a message
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that he's been carrying since he ran for president all the way last, two years ago now, 2019. and so, that's what we're going to be hearing up in this next coming week. chris? >> let me ask you in the last 30 seconds that we have sort of the feeling within the biden camp after he made his big announcement yesterday. he laid out a much more aggressive federal response, and certainly, more federal involvement in taking on the coronavirus pandemic. what are they saying inside camp biden? >> reporter: chris, this has been a huge top-of-mind concern, i mean, just for several, several months now we've seen biden talk about how much of tackling covid is a priority, a day one priority for his administration. he's basically said his top three things that he's going to be getting done are covid, covid, and then covid. so, it's very much a huge priority for this incoming administration and something that the biden/harris team wants to hit the ground running on, on day one. and so, come wednesday, when he's sworn in as president, you know, a lot of this rollout, the
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first 100 days, getting these vaccines in order, the rollout plan, then making sure things like getting kids back in schools, that's something that biden has been talking about for a long time now and something that we're hoping and a lot of folks are hoping to see take action on, on day one. >> deepa shivaram before sunrise in wilmington. thank you for that. when donald trump leaves office in just four days, he will get some significant postpresidential perks, by law -- a pension of $200,000 a year, up to $1 million a year for travel, and secret service protection. but his personal wealth remains a question mark, with banks bailing on him, new york city canceling contracts, even the pga taking a major tournament away from his new jersey golf course. nbc senior business correspondent stephanie ruhle has the latest on what trump's financial future might look like after his second impeachment. good morning, stephanie. >> we know since the riots on capitol hill president trump has been under huge political pressure and his political brand has been damaged.
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well, the same can be said for his business brand and the financial pressure that he's under. we learned through financial disclosure six months ago, president trump owes over $300 million to deutsche bank. well, deutsch announced this week they're not going to be doing business with president trump going forward. so, the question is, where is he going to get that money to pay them back? he's personally guaranteed these loans. that means they could take those assets, like mar-a-lago and trump tower. in the last week, we've seen a number of businesses try to distance themselves from president trump and also specific republicans who voted not to certify the election. this is damaging for his brand. right here in new york city, they terminated his lease with roman rink, with the golf course. down in palm beach, florida, west palm beach is looking to terminate a lease with one of trump's golf courses there. and as far as being a landlord, one of his largest tenants, cushman and wakefield, terminated their lease as well.
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this as many people are looking at this impeachment trial, saying what does president trump know? how much information, how much power does he have, even in the next few days, to ensure he's not going to put himself and his business interests ahead of the country? this is a massive issue if you think about the money he owes and the businesses he's in. put all of this aside and think about the trump brand. it's in travel and hospitality, hotels, golf courses, restaurants. all of those businesses have been damaged because of covid. so, the big question is, where will he get large sums of money to pay off his debt? right now, the only large sum of money we can see is the money he's raised in the last two months over fighting the election results. and many, many people are suing to get that money back. there is a lot of questions and the pressure is on for the president, not just politically, but for financially. and we know money matters to him. >> stephanie ruhle, thank you so much. and thank you for watching. i'm chris jansing. i'll be back with extended
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