strange niece, will join us to talk about her uncle's sedition. she's a psychologist. three days away from the inauguration of joe biden as president. this year's transfer of power is unlike any in history. the capitol region is on high alert. this morning following the january 6th coup attempt by a mob of insurrectionists trying to disrupt democracy in the counting of the electoral votes. now the grounds are secured by a military presence in an effort to stop a repeat performance by right-wing extremists and white supremacists. up to 25,000 national guard troops are being brought in to the city to guard against security threats for wednesday's inauguration. that's five times more than the roughly 5,000 u.s. service members currently stationed in iraq and afghanistan. npr is reporting there's no historicals predernlt for this level of national guard

activations. another report that more than 13,000 guard troops were called into the district after the assassination of martin luther king in 1968. and that was the most to occupy a city since the civil war. a virginia man has been arrested after showing an unauthorized credential at an inauguration checkpoint a few blocks from here. police found a gun and 500 rounds of ammunition inside his vehicle. the 31-year-old security guard's vehicle had weapons-related stickers on display including one that read "assault life" and another that said "if they come for your guns, give them your bullets first." wesley alan vealer told "the washington post" it was a, quote, honest mistake. biden plans to issue dozens of executive orders in the early days of his presidency including measures to rescind the muslim country travel ban, rejoin the

paris climate accords, extend relief for student loan payments and evictions instituted during the pandemic and mobilizing an actual federal response to the covid-19 crisis as priority number one as we near 400,000 deaths in america. >> for getting more people vaccinated, we need more vaccination sites. that's where we're going to harness the full resources of the federal government to establish thousands of community vaccination centers. on my first day in office, i'll instruct the federal emergency management agency, fema, to begin setting up the first of these centers. by the end of our first month in office, we will have 100 feld rally supported centers across the nation that will ultimately vaccinate millions of people. >> to underscore the remarkable political moment in which we're living, a new nbc news poll shows that 61% of voters say joe

biden won the election legitimately compared to 35% who say he didn't. for those of you keeping track at home, it's 100% true that joe biden in fact won the election legitimately. there have been almost 100 court cases challenging this. none have succeeded. here's what's dragging down the numbers on that fact. republicans -- 21% of them believe the fact that biden's victory is legitimate. as for the legitimate loser of the presidential election, though he's yet to concede, he will be leaving office on wednesday, and during his final hours he's reportedly retreated into the shadows largely leaving his presidential duties in the hands of vice president mike pence. "l.a. times" reports, "trump has withdrawn almost completely from the duties of the job he fought so hard to keep. aides and friends who have spoke within him this week describe him as irate about twitter deleting his account but also

saying he's sober by warnings from his lawyers about his potential liability for inciting last week's riot." as trump prepares to leave office, it sets up a crisis in the republican party. the infighting underscores the deep divisions he's created in the gop and all but ensures the next campaign will represent a pichal test of the party's direction with a series of clashes looming in the months ahead. first i want to talk about what is going on right around me in preparation for this inauguration. joining me now, nbc correspondent allison barber. 25,000 troops have been deployed to d.c. this week. there's still a threat of violence. we saw a well-armed man arrested near the capitol yesterday. what's the scene this morning? >> police, military officers are across the city. there are check points across capitol hill and downtown d.c. at a checkpoint similar to the one we see just down the block from us, that is where police

say they arrested a virginia man yesterday evening. wesley vealer pulled up to a security checkpoint with an unauthorized inauguration pass. he had a handgun under an armrest and told police. as officers searched his truck they found more than 500 rounds of ammunition. he was arrested and booked on suspicion of carrying a weapon and unregistered firearms and ammunition. he told our nbc affiliate that he was working as a security guard, that he was trying to get directions, he was lost heading home so stopped to ask police for directions. he said that his weapon is legally registered in virginia and he forgot that he had it in his car. he was arrested. he was booked. d.c. police, capitol police told him to stay away from d.c. it's increasingly becoming what many have described, the green zone in iraq. there will be some 25,000 national guard members on the ground in d.c. come inauguration

day. 15,000 are here. those 25,000, they're going to come from all 50 states, three u.s. territories as well as the district of columbia. and that is all in between this. police, fbi, law enforcement are still looking for rioters who sieged the capitol on january 6th. this is one of a few bill boards that are up in d.c. showing the faces of some of these alleged rioters, hoping people can identify them and more people will call and turn them in to the fbi. we know the fbi has said they have gotten at least 140,000 videos and photos of people involved in the riot. they say many rioters they've arrested, they were turned in by family and friends. ali? >> i'm so glad you showed us that bus shelter. that's what gabe and i were talking about in the last hour. all over d.c., these electronic pictures of people who are wanted are being displayed. allison barber here in the district of columbia. not only is donald trump facing

an impeachment trial in the senate, but some of his closest allies may face legal consequences related to his sedition. the attorney general for washington, d.c., the district of columbia, is considering filing riot incitement charge against donald trump jr., rudy giuliani, and mo brooks for roles in the capitol invasion, also leaving up the question of prosecuting donald trump himself for same conduct once he leaves office. with me is carl racine, attorney general for the district of columbia. he's also the president of the bipartisan national association of attorneys general. good to see you. thanks for being with us. >> nice to see you, ali. >> tell me your thinking about these people. you are considering bringing charges. that's what the reporting is. against people for inciting this riot. >> the reporting is accurate. the office of attorney general has jurisdiction over a number of potential offenses, including weapons, ammunition, curfew violations, and the one that's gotten the most attention, of course, is the inciting violence

charge. we've brought that charge before. it's law in d.c. since 2011. it makes illegal the statements of individuals that clearly encourage, cajole, and otherwise, you know, get people motivated to commit violence. we'll balance the first amendment rights of speakers versus this law and will be judicious with whether to charge and who to charge. but every single person at that rally is being reviewed. >> right-wing media and politicians always say this is about freedom of speech and censorship, ironic to someone coming from the floor of the house of representatives if you're making a speech on the floor of house of representatives you're not being censored. how do you balance that? what is the theoretical line one crosses between arguing for, you know, protecting our democracy

and storming the capitol? >> well, it's all about the worries, the crowd that's present, all about the dynamics and the environment. the energy around the environment. if one is talking about combat justice in a crowd that is all amped up and really focused on taking over a particular building, like the capitol. i think it gets closer to that line. when folks are talking about fighting, fighting, fighting, i think it gets closer to that line. ultimately, we're going to have to do a thorough investigation, which is under way, including, i must say, talking to people who were at that rally, talking to people who indeed stormed the capitol and went inside. >> let's talk about the president of the united states himself. not only was he a participant in that rally but he had been tweeting about it, talking about it, and while it was going on, he then released a video further encouraging people. the video didn't talk about

violence, just talked about how he loved them. in the moment he was called upon by joe biden to get on tv and stop the riot, he encouraged them. is there any potential charge that donald trump might face? >> you know, we're looking at the president, of course. you have to be, you know, incredibly diligent and responsible whenever you're going to charge anyone. the president is not above the law. he's not below the law. i think his conduct prior to the mob storming the capitol is relevance. i think his conduct during that time and immediately thereafter is also relevant. and you'll remember it wasn't until hours after the capitol was cleared that the president actually made a statement of contrition and actually chastised and called the stormers rioters. that's a long time after what everyone saw on their tv was an attempt essentially to undo our democracy. so we're going to be thorough,

patient, and rigorous. >> what do charges like this carry in terms of penalty? >> it's great question. so our charge is a misdemeanor, a six-month-in-jail maximum. the federal charge carries far more jail time. our charge is nonetheless very important, and we're going to make sure that we use our prosecutorial discretion in an appropriate manner. we're obviously collaborating at a high level with the federal prosecutors and will continue t to do so. but let it be known that the office of attorney general has a potential charge that it may utilize. >> attorney general karl racine, good to see you. karl racine is the attorney general for the district of columbia. we'll follow your office's doings in the next few days. up next, donald trump's estranged niece, mary trump, will comment on the possible harm her own uncle brought upon the country in his final days of

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she's going to have. they all realize that they're all in trouble, so what you see is you're seeing a mass exodus away from donald trump. while he was in power, it made sense to try to hang on to his coattails. what happens when somebody loses all that power and they're going down a path of destructiveness? that's the time that all of the rats start to flee. >> i want to bring in mary trump, donald trump's niece, psychologist and the author of a book "too much and never enough: how my family created the world's most dangerous man." thanks for join us. you heard what michael cohen was talking about. this becomes a dark moment for your uncle donald trump because the same people have kind of left, the people who keep the guard rails have left. he's surrounded by a little built of family and rudy giuliani and the foam pillow guy. he may be getting the worst advice of his entire career right now.

>> oh, he absolutely is. michael cohen is correct in his assessment of what's going on with people like jared and ivanka. you know, their relationships with donald have always been transactional, and as long as they believe there's no upside for them, they're going to get away from him as quickly as possible. as for the people left, you know, the other -- the flip side of it is that donald only wants people around him who are going to tell him what he wants to hear no matter how destructive it might be for him. and the fact that it's down to rudy giuliani and a pillow guy tells us everything we need to know about the quality of people left. i understand steven miller is still in there, too, so that just enforces the theory that the worst among them are the only ones hanging in there with him. >> i guess the concern is, is it

just sad and it will be over in a few days and he'll go to mar-a-lago and live out his days, or is it dangerous in the next three days? >> it's incredibly dangerous. you know, there's no reason to think that his incitement for an armed insurrection was the end of it. you know, in some ways, on wednesday, that wednesday, january 6th, they were able to claim a victory. they actually did storm the capitol, after all, and there is no moderating influence in the white house to the extent that there ever was one, and donald is increasingly desperate. you know, we need to realize that it isn't just what we're seeing, it's what we're not seeing that we need to be really worried about. >> what do you think that is? in other words, what we're not seeing? >> i have this terrible feeling we're in for some pretty horrific pardons, which is saying something considering the pardons he's already granted.

you know, i'm worried about what's going on at the department of defense in terms of the installing of donald's loyalists. and, you know, i've been worrying for a while about what might be going on with our most closely guarded secrets, all of which donald has access to. he's a desperate man who is in serious financial trouble and who is looking at very serious criminal charges and lawsuits being brought against him as soon as he no longer has the powers and protections of the oval office. so i don't think anything's off the table in terms of what he might do. >> during the rally leading up to the storming of the capitol on january 6th, we saw images of donald trump with his family, with eric, don jr. they were in a control center of sorts watching it all on tv, dancing to music. then we saw him release a video that said he loved them and is

with them. late they're night released another video condemning violence. it doesn't look like he was condemning the violence. he was aggravating it. karl racine is looking into charging rudy giuliani and donald trump jr. and maybe donald trump himself with inciting violence. what do you think was going through donald trump's mind while he was watching coverage of the people storming the capitol? >> i'm sorry to say he loved every second of it. there was no way while it was happening anybody was going to convince him to step in and tell them to tone it down. that was for him. and he reveled in it. the video that he later made calling them out and criticizing it was entirely inauthentic. it was a lie from beginning to end. and that was simply something he was forced to do probably by an attorney to cover himself in

case he was open to charges. and i think the attorney general of d.c. is entirely correct to pursue those. >> things can go two ways. articles portray him as a sad, lonely, isolated man going to florida to get the adulation he seeks. on the other hand, he holds sway among several million disaffected americans. there's media power in there, money to be made. he continues to be a force to be reckoned with in the republican party. what do you think happens next to donald trump? >> you know, we can laugh about rudy giuliani and the my pillow guy, which i suppose we shouldn't, but we can't discount the fact that donald has people still advising him who know a lot more than he does, how to manipulate the system. as you mentioned, there are still millions of people who support him and who think that this was not a legitimate election. donald is not going away to the

extent that he is allowed to stick around and remain relevant. so my hope is one, that the media ignore him as much as that's possible, because as soon as president biden is sworn in, donald should be irrelevant, and he is looking at all of those things i mentioned earlier -- state-level charges, lawsuits, also his banks have no reason anymore not to call in his enormous debts. so on the one hand, i believe that he will continue to try to stir things up, but i hope he's not allowed to slink away to mar-a-lago and live out his days. i hope he's looking at a lot of depositions and indictments and hopefully criminal charges because if anybody deserves them it's him. he incited an armed insurrection against our country, and the fact that he hasn't been removed

from office yet is an indictment, i believe, of our system. >> mary, than you so much for joining us this morning. mary trump, the niece of donald trump, the author of "too much and never enough." joe biden will be inaugurated in three days. donald trump will likely face a post-presidency impeachment in the senate. i'll talk to a congresswoman coming up. up.

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all right. you're getting a live look on the right at the capitol building where on wednesday 232 representatives voted to impeach donald trump. on the left side, this is ground level, what it looks like around d.c. you've heard the term green zone, usually reserved for war-torn city. that's what's happening in d.c. they closed off a large area around the capitol to traffic or you have to be stopped and show i.d. that's what's going on in the capitol. there have only been four impeachments of a president in u.s. history. donald trump now has half of

them. timing on when the trump senate trial begins is unclear but this week speaker nancy pelosi named nine impeachment managers to present the case for house democrats once it starts. joininging me now is one of those managers, democratic congresswoman diana degette of colorado, representing the state's first congressional district about 24 years, so she knows a few things about congress. congresswoman deget, thank for being with us. remind our viewers what your job is. for all intents and purposes in the parlance to which they are accustomed you are a prosecutor heading into a trial. >> we're prosecutors heading into the trial. it's our job to present the evidence to the senate and ask for conviction. i must say, i've been in congress, i was in congress for the clinton impeachment, obviously, for this last one. this feels much more like a criminal prosecution than anything i've seen. >> in fact, your argument is

that it's relatively clear cut. it's not a complicated case to put forward because we all saw it happen. >> right. not only did -- i mean, here we have on tv president trump says come to washington, help me stop the count of the legally certified elections. then everybody comes to washington. he has them come down to the white house where he says, we've got to stop this count, march up to the white house and stop them where then the crowd marches up to the white house, bursts into the capitol, and tries to stop the count. it's interesting because every single person who was at that capitol is a victim, including the senators who are going to be sitting in judgment of the president. >> i'm so glad that thankses to the work of some people, including that one capitol police officer, they didn't get near the senators, but i worry there are some senators who don't take seriously that

this -- whether you're republican or independent or whatever it was, whatever you are in congress, you could have been in great danger on january 6th. >> well, everybody was in great danger. i myself was in the balcony up above the house floor. we were some of the last that were able to get evacuated. and believe you me, that was no small thing. and so those senators have to realize that the mob came very close not to just them but also to vice president pence who apparently they wanted to hang. i think this weighs very heavily on almost all of the members of congress and the senators. there are a few maybe who are denying it, but i think everybody realizes the enormity of this situation. the shocking absence of him, which i hope leads to his conviction. >> what do you say to those people who are saying let by

gones be bygones, we need to come together and you people are further dividing things in an already divided country? >> i think that they wish it would go away, but the fact is donald trump incited the crowd to come up to the white -- to the capitol and to try to overturn the results of a legitimate election, threatening our very democracy. and so we can't let this go. this is the most serious assault on our democracy by a sitting u.s. president. we have to go through with the legal process. we have to uphold our democracy. i think most people realize that. >> you know, a whole bunch of these people are getting arrested because they posted pictures of themselves inside the capitol or breaching the lines or live streaming themselves. one guy is live streaming and calling on other people who are there and those people are getting arrested. a whole bunch said we should be pardoned by donald trump because we came here because he told us

to. i think some local authorities, maybe federal authorities, might use that to charge certain people, but the bottom line is does that work into your argument? did these people save themselves in legal settings that they were here because the president told them to come here? >> well, i was a criminal defense lawyer for a long time, and i'll tell you what, if you commit a crime, you're guilty and the person who told you to do it is guilty. donald trump told those people to come to washington to stop the certification of the election. then when they all, got to the white house, invited by him, he told them to march up pennsylvania avenue and to stop the count, and he had all kinds of references to violence and to everything else. so they're all guilty. and they can't now point the finger at each other and say, well, he said it so i'm not guilty, well, he did it, so i'm not guilty. it's part of the criminal conspiracy. and the whole conspiracy was

designed to undermine our democratic process and our democracy. that's mind-boggling if you think about what a serious threat that was from our own sitting president of the united states. >> congresswoman diana degette thanks for joining us this morning. democratic congresswoman diana degette of colorado is a two 21 impeachment manager in the forthcoming senate trial against donald trump. with fears of protests and violence erupting in state capitols around the country in the next few days, our nbc reporters are on the ground from coast to coast as america remains on high alert. that includes michigan, which had their own capitol siege last year. we'll check in with dasha burns after this. kraft. for the win win.

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downtown area. we've seen michigan deal we vents of this nature before. over the summer, we saw gun-toting michiganders ok tiing the capitol after president trump told hem to occupy after her covid restrictions. we learned of a plot to kidnap and potentially harm the governor for those restrictions. partially due to lax gun laws, it's an active breeding ground for those who self-identify as militia groups. but they're not militia. they're gun club members or gangs who love gun us and talk about people who favor gun control are incessantly trying to steal them. in recent days there were reports of these groups to descend on lansing to cause maximum chaos but they backtracked due to increased public attention. dasha burns has been covering this topic for months and joins me from lansing, michigan. what's the latest on the potential for violence in lansing? >> reporter: hey, ali. good morning. welcome to a beautiful snowy day

here in michigan. it is calm and quiet right now. all we've seen is a very large security presence, national guard troops marching, helicopters in the air. we're not expecting to see anything really get going here until around noon. as you mentioned, michigan of course has a long history of this seeing armed protesters at the capitol. it's nothing new. we've seen this across the state throughout the last year. i was on your show reporting in the lead-up to the election about some of these armed rallies, the issue of open carry at polling places. but here's the interesting sort of plot twist that we're running into here with what we're anticipating today and in the coming days. i reached out to some of those contacts and militia groups and other right-wing groups from my reporting in the last year. not a single one of them is planning to be here today or in the lead-up to inauguration, including the american patriot council, which is actually one of the groups that organize some of the bigger rallies we saw here at the capitol last year.

i also spoke to the leader of the southeast michigan volunteer militia, who, ali, just days ago was on tv saying he would be coming with thousands of people, bringing guns and would be protesting. i spoke to him last night via zoom. he was at his lake house on lake huron. he said he wanted to get as far away from the capitol as possible without going to canada. he was telling his members to do the same. he says other militias in the area are saying the same thing. basically he said they did an assessment and were concerned for their own safety. he says he was hearing from sources that the brown boys and others might be coming. he was worried they would cause some chaos and violence, and he didn't want any part of that both for safety reasons and also sort of for almost branding purposes, ali. he didn't want militia groups to be associated if anything were to happen here. a bit of brand preservation there. this is what's interesting. i have seen a bit of a shift in

mood, a shift in tone and climate compared to what i was seeing over the past year even for law enforcement, ali, who have seen a lot here. i spoke to the chief of police here in lansing who told me he is concerned for the safety of his officers and has had to have tough conversations in the last few days after the images in d.c. targeted by blue lives matters supporters. also from the militia leader, the governor, mayor, law enforcement, and militias are all in agreement that you should stay away from the capitol until after inauguration. he says those groups are never in agreement, so that's pretty striking, ali. >> that is a remarkable story, that they're worried about other people wrecking their image and brand. da dasha, thanks for your reporting. a quick michigan-related programming note, stick around tonight for a special edition of

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new support along the way, including from across the aisle, when republican senator and fellow black legislator edward brook of massachusetts joined conyers by issuing a senate resolution 159. bills continue to be introduced, were voted on and failed, although the bill in 1979 was defeated by just five votes. while support in congress grew slowly, there was a groundswell from outside. stevie wonder wrote "happy birthday" to honor dr. king and asked why anyone would oppose the holiday. this led to a rally of support with 100,000 people congregating three miles from here and that monument helped gather 6 million signatures from the american public in the support of the idea. that's the largest petition in favor of an issue in u.s. history. the dedication and commitment to creating a holiday in dr. king's honor might only be matched by dr. king's commitment to civil rights and economic justice itself. but the greatest take-away may

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what you saw last week on capitol hill was not only an assault on democracy but trump supporters throwing a tantrum not just because of some actual injustice but because they didn't get the outcome they wanted in the presidential election. many right wing extremists ignored their blue lives matter motto, killing one of them. why do blue lives only matter when it's in contrast to black lives matter? because our nation's policing cult surengrained with racism. because of that, there's a built-in double standard. what you saw last week wasn't a

protest with some violence like you saw in the social justice demonstrations last summer. january 6th was a protest that was meant to be violent at its score. more than 14,000 black lives matter protesters were arrested during the spring and summer. last wednesday during the capitol riot, fewer than a dozen arrests. and as of this morning about 100 arrests but more are expected. right wing media, the president and his allies egged on their violent supporters because it was beneficial to them. unlike the protest of killing black people, these were based on a lie of a stolen election. joining us is the host of the undistracted podcast. and back with me, mehdi hassan on the streaming network peacock. brittany in the summer of 2020, as i was going to different cities covering the protests, i was in new york city on 14th street. there were a group of youngsters lined up with zip ties waiting

for transportation. the police pushed me back and told me if i tried to get closer, they'd arrest me. i was asking, what are they under arrest for? breaking curfew. the summer demonstrations, they were arresting people for everything. thousands of people walked out of this capitol without being arrested after storming the place. tell me about this. >> this is a hypocrisy that's been on display for decades, generations. we always know that when people with black skin show up, the police operate one way. and when people with white skin show up, they operate a different way. but this is also deeper in some certain ways. we certainly see hypocrisy of police. we see the participation of some police. the more and more we know, the more we're finding out there were members of capitol police that engaged with this activity, that there were members of police departments all across this country, along with olympians and school counselors

and even more folks who participated in this insurrection. so we're seeing the hypocrisy on full display in full technicolor as you see on your screen right now. we also see the hypocrisy of republicans because blue lives only seem to matter when they're carrying out state actions that enact violence against black, brown and indigenous people. when the police are, in fact, getting in the way, even just a little bit, of insurrectionists, white supremacists, people there simply because they didn't get their way, the republicans have nothing to say about those blue lives mattering. so if we're going to continue to endure this hypocrisy from republicans who maintain their seats in congress and from police who continue to take up massive amounts of municipal budgets, the question is, what are we going to do differently? it is painfully obvious, but our choices still seem to be the same. >> well, one of the things we

have to think about is what you talked about with me earlier. the existential nature of this. during the summer, the protests were about saying you have these laws that are supposed to be applied to us equally but you're not doing that and we'd like the more fair application of laws to black and brown people. this thing was weird because this move on congress was the idea that we think the election was stolen. the idea that white supremacists and extremists were here as the aggrieved party is kind of fascinating because the stuff that they're talking about isn't really true. >> no, and it's a good point you make about the threat. they were trying. the aim of those people was to overrun the capitol, maybe to execute legislators, take them hostage. definitely to stop a constitutional process. no one can accuse any black lives matter or antifa protest of trying to do that last year. you remember in portland, oregon, where they were tear gassing people just for standing outside federal or state buildings. this is absurd the double

standard. i'm glad you raised the issue of the arrests, 14,000 versus less than 100 in 10 days. the under charging going on. there seems to be a lot of under charging right now. a lot of them are being charged for being on federal property or trespassing which is kind of ridiculous as we know what went down. and we talk about extremist groups or terrorist groups abroad and how do we make piece with the i.r.a., peace in israel/palestine? how do you make peace with these people whose central grievance is mad, it's lies. cabals of pedophiles running congress. you can't negotiate with these people. i'm all for let's talk stuff out. diplomacy over war. how do you talk to people whose central animating motive for violence is completely bonkers? >> and yet, brittany, some of the central animating cause for the violence we saw here on january 6th is black lives

matter. they'll tell you it's about antifa. that very night they kept telling people, it's not us. until we see all the arrests and the pictures. nobody from antifa was arrested. >> fundamentally, the animating cause here is a perception of a loss of power. the idea that when a black people, brown people, indigenous people marginalize people across this country stand up and say that we deserve our full humanity, that is seen as an assault on white supremacy. that is seen as an assault on the superiority of whiteness, not just white people but the concept of whiteness. so ultimately that is the perceived threat that they were fighting against. the thing, though, is that when we're talking about more equity and more justice for black people and brown people and indigenous people it ultimately benefits everyone, just like we saw the work of blk electoral justice organizers benefiting everyone in states like georgia and wisconsin and pennsylvania. those are the very places that their hero, donald trump,

attacked in trying to get his way with these election results. so all of these things are one in the same. they all have to do, not with any kind of economic anxiety, but with a deeply held racialized anxiety that more free black and brown people will mean less freedom for certain white people. that's the fear that we saw on display at the capitol and that's the fear that we've seen on display from police when it comes to black lives. and that's the fear we see on display for hundreds of years in this country. again, the question is we know the answer. what are we going to do about it? this is not new. >> yeah, well, we're going to have to keep on talking about that. thanks to both of you. it's my pleasure to have you on the show. brittany packet cunningham and mehdi hasan, on nbc's streaming network peacock. thank you for waking up on

"velshi." catch me all this week. as well as every saturday and sunday from 8:00 to 10:00 a.m. eastern. have a great weekend. do not reach for the crossword puzzle just yet. "the sunday show with jonathan capehart" begins right now. on edge. washington, d.c. divided between red and green zones just three days before joe biden's inauguration. my exclusive interview with the man in charge of investigating capitol security, retired military commander russel honore. plus, lockdown. state capitols are hardened due to intelligence of new domestic terror attacks. the incoming chair of senate homeland security, gary peters, of michigan is here. and final failure. growing anger after the trump administration promised to stockpile covid vaccines it didn't have. i'm jonathan capehart. this is "the sunday show."

♪♪ this sunday, three days until the inauguration, and 21,000 members of the national guard are now stationed in washington, d.c. four times the number of troops deployed to iraq and afghanistan combined. already, the inauguration rehearsal originally scheduled for today had to be postponed due to security threats. and amtrak's most famous passenger has been forced to make alternative travel plans. now this. the arrest of a virginia man at an inauguration checkpoint with 500 rounds of ammunition. the man, a private security contractor, claims he made an honest mistake. coast to coast, state capitols are on high alert for threats of violence from disgruntled trump voters. still, joe biden is unwavering in his wish for a patriotic display of our peaceful transfer of power.

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