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tonight, america's transfer of power, usually a celebration of democracy. threats. >> january 6, a deadly insurrection at the capitol. january 13th, the second impeachment ofnd donald trump. >> donald trump is a clear and present danger. >> security is priority one. >>it i have great confidence in the secret service. >>n joe biden will take the oa as a pandemic rages, as an impeachment trial looms and with
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at nation on edge, fueled by donald trump's lies.mp >> the work of the moment and the work of the next four years must be the restoration of democracy, of decency, honor. >> an inauguration that will see aon monumental first. >> while i may be the first woman in this office, i will not be the last. >> three days a way from a transfer of power. here now is lawrence o'donnell. tonight, as we look forward to the transfer of power to the biden/harris administration, we will be joined by dr. anthony fauci who will be advising the new president on handling the coronavirus pandemic, and we will be joined by security expertsy including former cia director toia address the breakg news of the hour. the associated press is reporting that the fbi is now vetting national guard troops because of concern about a possible insider attack or other
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threat fromk service members assigned to provide the security for the inauguration. we will have more details on that breaking news in a moment. jerry reed and eugene robinson will join us to discuss the list of executive actions joe biden plans to take on day one. at the end of this hour we will be joined by ruby bridges who became the subject of this 1963 norman rockwell painting when she was the first black student to attend the segregated school in new orleans. we will get her reaction to the historic inauguration of vp kamala harris at this hour. tonight the capitol grounds are surrounded by strong temporary fencing that is seven feet high. the kind of fencing that has surrounded the capitol for recent inaugurations, but nbc's pete williams reports the restricted area is much bigger
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for the biden/harris inauguration than previous inaugurations. pentagon officials said 15,000 national guard members had arrived in washington d.c. by saturday andng that as many as 25,000 could arrive by wednesday when joe biden and kamala harris are inaugurated. task and purpose reports that donald trump will leave office with vastly more troops in d.c. than in afghanistan, iraq and syria combined. the a.p. is reporting u.s. defense officials say they are worried about an insider attack or other threat from service members involved in securing president-elect joe biden's inauguration prompting the fbi to vet all of the 25,000 national guard troops coming in to washington for the event. the army secretary ryan mccarthy told the associated press on
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sunday thatpr officials are conscious of the potential threat, and he warned commanders to be on the lookout for any problems in their ranks as the inauguration approaches. so far however, he and other leaders say they have seen no evidence of any threats and officials said the vetting had not flagged any issues. the security forces provided for the biden/harris inauguration will be more than five times greater than the security forces provided for the 1965 inauguration of president lyndon johnson which was the first presidential inauguration ceremony after the assassination of president john f. kennedy. today the chair of the house intelligence committee adam schiff said this. >> it reminds me of going to baghdad and in if the green zone. i never thought i would see that
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in our own capitol. but there o is a threat of the nature we saw on january 6th. there are people coming into the washington d.c. area, bringing weapons.ng and we see threats to capitols all over the country. all 50 state capitols. i think the inauguration will proceed and proceed safely. but there will be gatherings of individuals and they could turn violent. there is a very high level of risk.gh >> a woman was arrested at an inauguration checkpoint saturday for impersonaing law enforcement officers and fleeing police. the woman was arrested after she said she was an officer and "a part of the presidential cabinet." the "washington post" reports she presented what was identifiedd as a military challenge coin, a pocket-size medallion that is typically given i out by military commanders. capitol police said the woman was taken for evaluation and
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later processed at capitol police headquarters and transported to the d.c. central cell block. john brennon, the former director of the cia and a senior national security and intelligence analyst for msnbc and the author of "undaunted." also"u with us a former directo of the national counterterrorism center. director, let me again with you in the breaking news of the hour that the fbi is now vetting all 25,000 national guard troops who are headed for washington d.c. first of all, is that even possible to conduct a meaningful vet of that many people? >> well, lawrence, i think it certainly is prudent to do as much as possible in terms of vetting in light of the assault on the capitol, undertaken by individuals across ourak countr
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including current and former members of law enforcement and the u.s. military. i thinku. it is necessary to ensure those individuals that had the responsibility of safeguarding not just president-elect biden but the other individualst- that will b assembled at the capitol on wednesday are t going to be lood at carefully. it is really rather appalling we are going through that now. i agree that these are the things reminiscent of what michael and int looked at over e years in terms of overseas activities and the concerns a lot of countries and governments havees about their own military and security services. what we have seen over several months is a growing crescendo of what basically amounts to a insurrection. i think the vetting as well as possible that could be done is certainly something the fbi and other authorities need to be doing at thisne time. >> michael, want a.p. report does not indicate that there was any tip to the fbi about this.
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seems like an action that the fbi is taking as a precaution and so far the a.p. report says they havepo not found anything troubling. >> lawrence, i think that is right. as john said the military is a cross-section of our society and the national guard are even more so. ifn you take 25,000 people in e country today and a little less than half of them might well have voted for donald trump and a small percentage of those might have been influenced towards extremism. as john was saying, this is challenging all overis the worl. we face this when we train troops in iraq and afghanistan. it is horrifying that we have to think about it here. but in fact i find it a little heartening. because it does show that the inauguration is being taken with the seriousness of security precautions, comprehensive ones that frankly were not present on january 6th, and that obviously
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contributed to the tragedy that we saw. >> inauguration security is very, very heavy under so-called normal circumstances. and when i have seen them, it seemedhe impossible to me to penetrate. this is going to be even more secure. what is your confidence level tonight about what we are going to see on wednesday? >> towell, i am confident that e authorities, law enforcement, homeland security and defense are l taking the appropriate measures that as michael said should have been in place before january 6th. because i don't think we would have seenth the same type of an assault if they pushed out the security perimeter, put in the barricades and the barriers and restricted access to the capitol area and had the appropriate personnel withad protective gea and riot control equipment and the weaponry. and also withth the reinforcemes that were going to be at the ready to be able to be deployed very quickly. so i think the measures that are being taken now are very
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comprehensive. i think it will ensure that thereil will be a very heighten amount of security at the venue of the inauguration. so what the authorities have to do is to make sure that trouble makers in other places, whether it be in the district of columbia or in the state capitols, that i think there needs to be vigilence across the country. thesess individuals have been whipped up into this frenzy because they have been so misled, unfortunately, by so many people including at the very top donald trump.el >> and michael, the "new york times" is reporting the fbi is vetting airline passengers, putting any that have been identified among the violent protesters at the capitol under a no fly list making sure none of them return to the capitol for wednesday. these measures are being taken
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and advertised, aren't they, to basically communicate to these people not to come back or try to get on airplanes. >> absolutely. this is a deterrence, just like the international terrorism watch list has been used since 9/11 to keep international terrorists off of airplanes. like john, i feel very, very confident of what will go on in washington d.c. and the safety and theon security of the inauguration. the much bigger challenge is state capitols where you don't have a no fly list to drive to the capitol and some states which haveso an ability to carr semi automatic weapons near the capitols and n near softer targets. those are actually much higher risk than washington d.c. allha of that, a domestic no fl list for domestic terrorists, vulnerability of the state capitols, that highlights the long-term challenge beyond january 20th, which is having the policies, the laws and the procedures and the people and
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the organization to spread out and to try to deter and to defeat this violent extremism that we are seeing here in the united states. >> let's listen to something chairman schiff said today. >> there is no circumstance in which this president should get another intelligence briefing, not now or in the future. i don't think he can be trusted with it now and in the future he certainly can't be trusted. there were any number of intelligence partners of ours around the world that started withholding information fromte because theyho did not trust th president would safeguard the information and protect the sources and the methods. that makes us less safe. >> director, your reaction to that. >>toou speaking as a former dirr of the central intelligence agency, i hope donald trump
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never receives any type of intelligence a briefing after departing the white houseef on wednesday. i feelwh so badly he has been given access to so much intelligence over the last four yearse given he has disparaged and denigrated the great men and women of the intelligence community andn i don't see any earthly reason he should be given intelligence nor do i trust he n would treat it with e appropriate safeguards they require. >> thank you very much for beginning ourer discussions tonight. i really appreciate scit.ly >> thank you. >> thank you. >> the transfer of power on wednesday will see a big change in how the nation changes their approach to stopping the coronavirus pandemic. joe biden's future chief of staff had a dire warning about how much suffering that we will still have to endure. dr. anthony fauci will join us next. endure dr. anthony fauci will join us next
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we were just following orders is a statement that is etched in our consciouses as what we should never become. we are following orders is now and always has been the last line of defense for the indefensible here and around the world. the world. in the final days of december in an interview with me our next guest, dr. anthony fauci, said this. >> unfortunately i think that january is going to be a bad month. i would imagine as we get a couple of weeks into january, things could get worse than they are now.
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it is likely that we will see an up tick in everything, in cases followed then by hospitalizations and then followed by death. >> that sad prediction has come true. so far in january we have suffered 52,067 deaths from the coronavirus, bringing the total number of reported deaths from covid-19 to 398,175 as of tonight. today the man who will be white house chief of staff as of 12:00 noon on wednesday said this. >> virus will get worse before it gets better. i expect we will hit 500,000 deaths in the month of february. we have a plan to fix it. we believe there will be adequate supply to give people their second shots and more importantly we believe there will be continued supply and distribution of the supply to hit the target of 100 million shots in 100 million days.
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>> we are joined now by dr. anthony fauci who is the director of the national institute of infectious diseases at the national institute of health and wednesday will become president biden's chief medical advisor on covid-19. doctor, thank you for joining us tonight. i really appreciate it. tell us what is the very first thing you will tell joe biden in your first meeting with him in the oval office? >> well, i think the plan that has been put together, i tote agree with about all hands on deck approach to this. to make sure, and i believe it is doable. i have confidence that we'll be able to do it. to get 100 million people vaccinated in the first 100 days of president-elect biden also called for the country to have 100 days at least of everyone wearing a mask, putting aside all of this public health and
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pull together as a nation. particularly a much stronger relationship between the federal government and the states in getting the job done. among all, the thing he told us when we were together on a zoom call of the team to be completely honest and transparent in everything that we do and to level with the american public about the things that might go wrong and about the fact that as ron klain said honestly that things will get worse before they get better. i mentioned to you last time that i was concerned january would be a very bad month because of the holiday season, gatherings and travel. but when you get more cases like you showed on the screen, there is always lag from cases to hospitalizations to critical care to death. so, we are still going to be seeing, even though things might actually plateau with regard to
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cases, the lag of people that get seriously ill and ultimately die will be a matter of weeks as ron klain had said correctly in the clip that you just showed. >> dr. fauci, we all saw you getting your first shot on december 22nd. have you gotten your second shot yet? >> nope. coming up on the 19th. coming up. >> so yours is scheduled. what do you say to people out there in the country who have received their first shot but are not sure about when their next shot is going to be scheduled? >> they will get their second shot. if they issue on the pfizer, 28 -- 21 days after the first shot. there was some confusion, there is now enough of a rather consistent flow.
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i spoke this morning about the flow of doses that will be coming in and without a doubt the people that have gotten the first dose will get a second dose. there was confusion about that. we really want to clarify that. the doses that are coming out and are available will make second doses possible and available to people who have received their first dose. >> i just want to go over this one more time. i heard you on meet the press this morning with this. at the end of the answer you said i hope i clarified that. i had to tell you, i needed to listen to it again to get it clarified that. let me say what i think you mean and you clarify me. there was the suggestion that there was a stockpile being held for the second doses for people. and then we discovered there is not a stockpile. what i thought that i heard you say this morning is that we don't need the stockpile because the vaccine manufacturers are
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manufacturing quick enough that we can guarantee you the second shot when you are supposed to have the second shot without us holding a stockpile. >> right. right. lawrence, that is exactly correct. so, that is the reason why i double-checked with the general last night and then again this morning to get it right. in the beginning when they were not quite confident that the flow of doses that would be coming out from the two companies would be able to guarantee that you would get a second dose, they held back what would be the second dose. so, if they had 50 million doses that went out, they would keep 50 million doses. after a couple of cycles it became clear they were quite confident that the companies would be able to keep up with the city flow. so what they would do is to essentially vaccinate everyone who has all of the doses that were available and when the next flow came in, the first preference would be to guarantee
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that people would get their second dose. and then everything else above that would go to the first dose to the next group. and on the next cycle, the first doses that would come out would be guaranteed to those that got the first dose so you can give them a second dose. it was a matter of increased confidence that the companies would be able to have a steady flow that you would not have to worry about people missing their second dose. >> what has to change to meet the biden goal of 100 million vaccinations in the first 100 days? >> the doses would now come out in an escalating way. you look at what is planned for the month of february, march and april, if you do the calculations by the time that you get to president-elect's 100 days you will have 100 people that received the vaccination.
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100 million people. >> there are a lot of talks of new variants of the coronavirus. the british one. the south af cab. you are suggesting there could be several more as time goes by. and we talked about this the last time that you were here doctor. people were very pleased to hear what you said at the time. you don't have to take any extra new precautions against the new variants. you just have to keep doing what you have been doing. washing hands, socially distancing, staying home as much as possible. we had a few more weeks experience with the variants. is it still your feeling that we do not have to take any extra measures than what we have been taking to fight the original strain of the coronavirus? >> yes. but that means you have to add here to the things we have been
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saying. people say should i well two or three masks as opposed to one mask. what you need to do is to strictly adhere to the recommendations. universal wearing of masks. avoiding settings indoors, washing your hands as often as you can. there are a number of studies that show those things work. if you get careless or slip, then you will put yourself at an increased risk because this is a new -- the variant it is here but not dominant. it is more transmissible than the wild type virus already here. i don't want people to think that it is nothing you should be concerned about. it means you need to double down making sure that you are very careful to follow the
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recommended public health measures. >> assuming someone is doing a good job hand washing and wearing masks in the proper settings. >> things that are seemingly innocent. a social event where someone comes into your home that you don't know where they have been. they look well and feel well. but since we know that 50% of all of the transmission come from someone who either is not sympton attic and never will be or someone who is presymptomatic and doesn't have symptoms yet but they are going to be getting symptoms. there is a risk.
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that is why we say as difficult as it might be keep the situation that you have in your home with the people that are there as part of the household. i know that is very difficult to do from a social distancing standpoint. but right now we are in a difficult situation. realizing that 50% of the spread is from someone that has no symptoms. >> dr. anthony fauci, every day is a long day for you, including this sunday. i cannot thank you enough for staying with us. i really appreciate it. >> good to be with you and thank you for having me. >> up next we have a new memo showing the biden administration is planning a very fast ten-day start with several executive actions on day one. biden/harris agenda is next. one
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incoming white house chief of staff ron klain issued a memo describing a fast start for the biden/harris administration in the first ten days. "new york times" reports according to the memo that on day one president-elect biden will rescind the travel ban on several muslim country, extend limits on evictions and student loan payments. president-elect biden also plans to send sweeping immigration legislation on his first day in office providing a pathway to citizenship for 11 million people in the country illegally.
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on mr. biden's second day in office he will sign executive actions related to the coronavirus pandemic aimed at helping schools and businesses to reopen safely, expand testing, protect workers and clarify public health standards. now host of msnbc's the reed out and will have a special interview with house speaker nancy pelosi tuesday at 10:00 p.m. here on msnbc. now an msnbc political analyst. joy, we always talk about the 100 days since fdr's first 100 days. but already too impatient for that. the first ten days. >> yeah. he is doing this under, you know, having washington d.c. being an armed camp because trump supporters are now
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dangerous and have to be considered so by law enforcement, et cetera. i think about two of those things. that is going to ring in there pretty loudly throughout trump america. the second is immigration. this is the whole reason donald trump has got such a lock on 06% of white american voters. protections and expanding protections for lots and lots of non-white immigrants. that sends a message that is who he is here to represent and expand. that will be a source of stress. i think we need to protect communities of color not just on inauguration day but they need to be ongoing. >> there is something else new
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in the ron klain memo. we are not going to be having government by surprise. you are not going to wake up on wednesday or thursday morning and discover look what they are doing they did not tell us they were going to do. >> yeah. yeah. the past week i have had several, numerous interactions with the incoming biden team. night and day, it is this universe against whatever the trump's was in. they are factual. they have plans. there is so much to do. only a fraction of the list of
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what this new administration is going to have to deep with as it tries to deal with and uncover this. one thing that he did is designate who these states designated as a terrorist organization. well, you know, you may or may not like it but you make the designation and you make it difficult to provide humanitarian aid to a disaster that is going on right now. that needs help from international organizations. but now they will have difficulty doing that. reversing all of the stuff that is being done at the last minute
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the way no other administration did. this administration is facing something nobody else has. they take office and the previous president is the subject of an impeachment trial in the u.s. senate. ron klain said the senate in the past has divided their workday between impeachment proceedings and other business. >> they have to do that while lindsey graham is cater walling that all they have to do is appease the outgoing president. the biden team has to cast a balance. you can't try to reunite the
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country which wasn't that reunited anyway until you get accountability and justice. they will be able to crack open the books in the agencies. they are going to need to get in the books. they are going to have to deal with that. joe biden wants to be someone to bring everyone together. he can't avoid having the accountability to have him. he has to root it out and root the people out that were left behind to sabotage the new administration. we can't move on until we have
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accountability and justice. >> as much as the senate might get slowed down half the day with an impeachment trial for a week or two. the house of representatives is open for business and nancy pelosi is in a position to move quickly so that chuck schumer will have a stack of bills ready to go after that impeachment trial. >> absolutely. you know they will be like planes circling laguardia trying to land. that is a big help. yes. it will be chuck schumer who is the majority leader and not mitch mcconnell. while it will be 50/50 senate. it is much better than being in the minority. i would just add one thing. i am not sure you are fair to
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them. he was a states man. you are absolutely right. >> we are going to have to leave it there. thank you both very much for joining our discussion tonight. the interview is tuesday night, 10:00 p.m. up next the history that will be made when kamala harris takes the oath of office as the vice president of united states. this image has gone viral. the woman who is the little girl in that image. ruby bridges. the first student to desegregate her elementary school in new orleans in 1960.
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approached based on race and gender. they raised us to be very proud black women. >> in 1960 the 6-year-old ruby bridges was escorted into an elementary school in new orleans by her mother and a team of u.s. marshals. a screaming mob gathered outside throwing tomatoes as ruby bridges became the first black student to attend that segregated elementary school. norman rockwell painted an image of ruby bridges first day at school titled the problem we all live with. that painting became a symbol of the civil rights movement in the united states in the 1960s. bria gellar reimagined that moment with kamala harris walking with ruby bridges. ruby bridges' mother passed away three days after joe biden and kamala harris won the election.
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it was lucille bridges who pushed for her daughter, ruby, to take the test that would allow her to attend that all-white school. and it was lucille bridges, along with the u.s. marches that bravely escorted her daughter to school on that historic day in 1960. when her mother died, ruby bridges wrote this tribute on instagram. today our country lost a hero, brave, progressive, a champion for change. she helped to alter the course of so many lives by setting me out on my path as a 6-year-old girl. our nation lost a mother of the civil rights movement today and i lost my mom. i love you and i am grateful for you. ruby bridges will join our discussion next. bridges will jr discussion next. th nostalgia. so to help you remember that liberty mutual customizes your home insurance, here's one that'll really take you back. wow! what'd you get, ryan? it's customized home insurance from liberty mutual!
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because every little girl watching tonight sees that this is a country of possibilities. joining us now is civil rights activist and icon, ruby bridges. the author of the book "this is your time." ruby bridges, i was wondering when we just heard kamala harris say that i may be the first, but i won't be the last. when you were six years old, the first black student walking into that elementary school in new orleans, were you thinking that i may be the first but i won't be the last? >> i wish i could say that. i always say what protected me at that moment in time is the innocence of a child. i was six years old and i did not understand what was happening at the time. thinking it was mardi gras because that is what it looked
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like in my eyes. it took me a while to understand that i was walking up those stairs and changing the face of education across the country. >> all of that yelling you heard and throwing things and tomatoes, that just seemed like there is a mardy grau thing going on? >> absolutely that is what i thought going on. none of our babies come into the world knowing anything about disliking one another. it is something passed on and taught to them. i had no idea what racism was all about and i did not understand what was happening around me. >> do you remember what your mother said to you before going to school? >> absolutely. my mom said ruby, you are going to go to a new school today and you better behave. that is what i was concentrating on.
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behaving. being a mom and grand mom, i totally understand now what she and my father were going through. it was quite different for them. i know what a huge sacrifice that must have been. even i don't think i would have the encouragement to send my child into a environment like that praying all day that they would come home safe, which is what she said she did. >> what is your feeling when you see the new image reworked a few months ago with you walking along with kamala harris? >> i was so moved by that. i have given it a name. i call it shadows and shoulders because that is what it reminded me of. seeing that, it reminded me that
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all of us, we are standing in the shadows of so many people that came before us and are standing on the shoulders of other people. there were lots of people, even before me that made huge sacrifices so that i would be able to go up those stairs. and i think kamala felt the same way, that standing in the shadow, that somehow it paved the way and it opened up a door for her to be able to take this position that i am just so excited about for her. >> what are you expecting to feel on wednesday to see her raising her right hand and being sworn in as vice president of the united states of america? >> you know, i think that for all of us and for all women no matter what race that you are, you know, there was a time we as women were not -- were not able
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to be heard. were not able to vote. and now to see a woman in that position, for me it is renewed hope and faith. definitely there is so much more work to be done. but we also have to be able to look at the strides that we make. and this is truly one for all women and for black women. >> do you feel the strides that you took that day walking into that school are connected through the years of history to the strides that kamala harris will take as she walks through to that podium to take that oath? >> you know lawrence, i really do. and it reminds me of the first time that i had an opportunity to meet president obama. you know, i knew he had been
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president. i was excited about seeing him for the first time. but it did not hit home for me until i saw him in person in the oval office. to see her stand there and raise her hand taking the oath. at that moment in time i am pretty sure that i will be so filled with joy and motion. i cannot wait to see that. >> well, it is a victory that you had a hand in. thank you for joining us. we really appreciate it. >> i appreciate you having me. stay safe. >> and we have some programming notes for inauguration week here. a special interview, one-on-one with speaker pelosi tuesday at 10:00 p.m. here on msnbc. and thursday, the day after the inauguration, the white house chief of staff ron klain will be among my guest for a special
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"last word" inside the biden agenda. that is thursday night 10:00 p.m. i will be back here tomorrow night for the "last word" here on msnbc. e "last word" here on msnbc welcome back. i'm alicia menendez. tonight, washington on lockdown. thousands of national guard troops staying in place to protect the peaceful transfer of power. just three days to go until joe biden's inauguration. the new president wants to hit the ground running and tonight his team is revealing their first day plans. an aggressive agenda with the backdrop of an impending impeachment trial. a sitting senator joins me tonight with how they're going to get it done. and as promised my exclusive interview withmi michigan's governor, secretary of state, and attorney general, who've all faced relentless attacks from donald trump andle his supporte. they're now working to protect their capitol building for a second time. this is "american voices."
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