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an intense pressure to keep its basic promise, 100 million vaccinations in the first 100 days. and on his last full day in office donald trump prepares to flex whatever presidential power he has left with dozens of pardons. as an impeachment trial awaits. ♪♪ welcome to tuesday, it is "meet the press daily," the enultimate day of the trump presidency. i'm chuck todd here in washington. we're now 23 hours from the inauguration of president-elect joe biden. he is expected to deliver remarks in delaware when he departs for washington in the next 30 minutes or so. we will bring you those remarks when they begin. there was a time he was going to train into washington, security sadly has made that a much tougher task. considers will be speaking

reflecting the victims of -- 200,000 flags in honor of those who could not attend this inauguration the mall has been closed. amid the security concerns in capitol hill the senate is holding confirmation hearings for some of biden's most critical cabinet posts. the hearing for treasury secretary is under way right now. the hearings for homeland security and the director of national intelligence just wrapped up a few moments ago and later today we will see the first hearings for defense secretary as well as joe biden's choice for secretary of state. and moments ago senate majority leader mitch mcconnell, who will not have that title sometime tomorrow, spoke on the senate floor for the first time since the events of january 6th. he said the mob was fed lies and provoked by president trump. quite a statement to make as the senate prepares for trump's impeachment trial, perhaps at the end of this next week, and

this week, or the beginning of next. biden is going to need this deeply divided senate to move quickly. he has cor yo graphed an ambitious start. unlike anything an incoming president has seen in our lifetimes, perhaps go back to fdr, together our latest poll seven of ten voters believe the country is on the wrong track, another seven of ten think the next four years will remain politically divided and a majority are worried about the nation's future. so maybe that's a low bar, that's the upside so these poll numbers from joe biden. let's be realistic, biden's first task is to vaccinate america, to fulfill that promise of 100 million vaccinations in the first 100 days. the ultimate success or failure of the presidency they hinge on that one promise. might be his only way to begin immediately cotterizing the

economical wounds and combat the pessimism you saw dripping from our poll. if biden wants to succeed he has to fulfill that first vaccination promise. the biden administration can make government competent again. he doesn't even have to make it efficient, just workable. if biden doesn't get it right, he will have failed on the job he was elected to do. so joining me now from wilmington, delaware as joe biden prepares to head to d.c., nbc's mike memoli. so, mike, it's interesting to me, i feel like in many ways these words will matter today. and the words will matter tomorrow. but boy do to actions matter so much more. all of these words he utters tomorrow at his inaugural address will ring follow if on the 101st day of his administration we haven't hit 100 million vaccinations. >> that's exactly right, chuck. and we know the style and the

substance are both important. we're going to see a very clear stylistic break from the president-elect when the very first thing he will do after arriving in washington is paying tribute, is mourning the 400,000 lives that have been lost to this pandemic. it's a very clear break from president trump who has often, and we think about what is joe biden's superpower as the biden campaign often reminded us, he has empathy, his ability to relate is very well one of the reasons why he is, in fact the president of the united states and i can't help but think as we get ready to leave wilmington today to that moment in march when the campaign shut down and biden gave the first of what would be many addresses about the need to act and his recommendations for the president for what to do. but then comes, of course, as you say, the substance. biden has not shied from setting goals. initially that 100 million vaccination goal, some were saying, was not ambitious at all and then we saw how hard it was, once the vaccine process began

to unfold. but biden is going to be obviously citing some executive orders quickly on wednesday to demonstrate the sense of you are general generalsy on a range ofitious but thursday is the day about covid on the part of the white house and they're going to take a number of steps to try to begin to take into effect the covid action plan he's been laying out throughout the campaign, chuck. >> well, look, he built his cabinet around covid. if you look at ron klain, his chief of staff, janet yellen, treasury, covid is first and foremost on his mind. you've spent a lot of time in wilmington, delaware last 12 years. >> in joe biden's driveway. >> i want to take a moment here, and explain, you know, delaware can be a punch line to people that live in new jersey or maryland or if you live in the i-95 corridor, right, the joke is don't blink, you'll miss delaware. but there is a real -- i mean, this is a big moment for delaware, joe biden's

relationship to wilmington. just talk to that a minute. >> well, yeah, there are signs on the billboards all over marking this moment. it's certainly for this little state a big moment as well. and really delaware is very much -- yes, he's from scranton, so much a part of biden's identity and the story we hear over the course of the campaign but there's something that they call the delaware way, which is very much informing the way joe biden is approaching the presidency. you have a state that now is seen as a solidly blue state but has been like many suburban areas of the northeast and particular a republican stronghold. biden beat a long-term former republican governor and senator to take the seat. and that delaware way is one that biden has been preaching throughout his career about working together. it's his confidence and his ability to bring both sides together that he's going to be trying to bring to washington as president, chuck. >> ironically, the forces that gave -- that handed the republican party to donald trump

took the republican party's power away from delaware, a guy named mike castle probably would still be a united states senator today. >> exactly right. >> had he ever gotten that republican nomination back in 2010 and you would have seen that, quote, delaware way probably in a bit more -- a bit more in the foreground. mike memoli, we're going to see you in washington, brother, we look forward to it. >> see you there, thanks, chuck. capitol hill, we find nbc's garrett haake, a lot of action today, garrett, these confirmation hearings i was able to -- i sort of was, i guess, channel surfing the way we can channel surf here between confirmation hearings, spent the most time on dhs, a few fireworks on immigration between ron johnson and ali mayorkas. >> largely none of these folks

have created major headlines and largely not creating headaches. that's what the biden team would like to see. chuck schumer was on the floor a while ago and he's going to try to get some of these nominees passed, confirmed tomorrow when he takes over asthma juvenile court -- as majority leader. the idea is to get the national security related nominees who they hope will be noncontroversial enough that nobody throws sand in the gear. confirmed on his first day in that role. the first time in decades there had not been any cabinet secretaries confirmed. as long as no one has caused the raucous on twitter, it's probably a pretty good day as far as the biden transition team is concerned. >> we all thought these first four would go pretty smoothly in that sense. i want to turn to what we've also previewed at the top, another powerful statement from mitch mcconnell. about january 6. let me play it for you, and i

want to let people know, ted cruz was presiding over the senate when mitch mcconnell made these remarks, let's take a listen. >> the mob was fed lies. they were provoked by the president and other powerful people. and they tried to use fear and violence to stop a specific proceeding of the first branch of the federal government which they did not like. but we pressed on. we stood together. and said an angry mob would not get veto power over the rule of law in our nation, not even for one night. >> so garrett, i think it's a pretty powerful statement that basically the last time mitch mcconnell addresses the chamber as the majority leader, that he made those remarks, sounds like he is still leaning towards maybe those "new york times" reports were true that he may be more likely leaning towards

conviction than not. >> i think that is entirely possible. i mean, the thing about mcconnell is, he's the most unsentimental politician you're ever likely to encounter. he has been done with donald trump for quite some time. you heard it on january 6th, actually, before the riot, before the attack, mcconnell gave a pretty strong speech on january 6th how joe biden was going to be president and how these objections were bad for democracy. me continues to hold that view, and clearly wasn't shy about making ted cruz uncomfortable in the president of the senate's seat that he was filling that duty. look, mcconnell on impeachment is the big question here because even if he just sits on his hands you probably have a handful of senate republicans vote for conviction. but if mitch mcconnell decides that what the president did on and before january 6th was worthy of conviction i think you could see the requisite number of senate republicans joining him in convicting this president. >> i don't think he speaks -- there's quite a few senators that can't bring many people

with them. i don't think he's one of them. that's for sure. >> correct. >> we shall see. garrett haake, on capitol hill, thank you. joining me now michigan democratic senator debbie stabenow. she's holding janet yellen's confirmation hearing today. senator stabenow, thank you for coming on. do you think you'll know when this senate hearing may start? senator pelosi may not send the article until early next week. would you like to delay it or see it sent over tomorrow. >> it's good to be with you always. we are sorting out the schedule. you talked about the powerful words that the current majority leader just said on the senate floor, mitch mcconnell, and he and incoming majority leader senator schumer are going to be

meeting today. there's a lot of work to get through both on the schedule. there will be an impeachment process. there will be the trial. we also have to confirm, as you know, key people right away. and we've got a covid package to pass because we've got to focus on people's lives and livelihoods. so at this moment people are working together. it's complicated. there's a lot of pieces. >> sure. >> and it only works, chuck, if everybody works together. and so, you know, this is the moment when we need our best leadership together. it's got to be bipartisan. to be able to move this forward. >> senator stabenow i've had a hopeful theory that the attacks would sober up the polarization for a small period of time.

have you seen any sort of tone change, just among your colleagues, since january 6th? >> you know, chuck, i'm always kind of going back and forth with my own feelings on this but i really do see some hopefulness here, i think today is an example of that. with the confirmation hearings going on. i mean, technically senator mcconnell or the current committee chairs could have said we're not going to hold hearings, you have to wait until we have the organizing resolution, and the new committee chairs, and that's not what happened. we have been doing this really great hearing with janet yellen who, by the way, i am incredibly enthused about as incoming secretary of treasury. we have five different hearings going on today because people were willing to work together to do that. i'm not naive. i've been around here a long time. but, you know, this is a moment when we sure hope that's what's

happening. >> how much patience do you have for the filibuster? at what point do you give 60 votes a shot for a while and at what point do you say, you know what, maybe enough's enough, how much time are you willing to give republicans on this? >> well, first of all, we have to move. we have to act. >> and so 400,000 lives lost. you know as you've been talking about. stunning. we have to move. people are holding on with their breath every day whether they're going to be able to keep their small business, and on and on and on. we really want to sort of move forward saying, yes, we want things to be bipartisan. absolutely. people in our caucus are the first ones at the head of the line to do things that are bipartisan. but we're not going to have a robideaux situation going on where it's just about stalling so the president can't be successful. we have to be successful because

the country is desperate for all of us to be successful. we essentially move along in a bipartisan way. but knowing that we've got to act. and if folks aren't willing to act, then we have other ways, as you know, budget reconciliation that only requires a majority vote. and so we look at other things. but the preferable route is to do this in a way that's bipartisan. >> let me ask the question this way. you don't sound like somebody that's eager to scrap the filibuster. is that a fair way to put it? >> i'm not eager. but i'm not saying no. i mean, the most important thing is to have action happening. we cannot have a situation where folks just go back to their corners, partisan politics and the minority decides that, at all costs, they've got to make sure the new president is not successful. our country can't take that. we have to be successful as a country and so, you know, i work

across the aisle all the time with my agriculture hat on, we do a five year farm bill and with huge bipartisan votes. >> the last place that still does bipartisanship, the ag committees, i feel like you guys are the last place on earth that works across the aisle. can it get contagious with other committees? >> we're hoping. we're actually reaching out, we're doing bipartisan work right now and reaching, you know, hoping we can do that. chuck, we have to, if at all possible, right now. i mean, we understand the stakes for our country. this is way past partisanship right now. i'm hopeful that enough people feel that way and we certainly saw comments on the senate floor from mitch mcconnell that were hopeful. >> your entire political career in michigan, i could argue, the michigan militia has always sort of been around. right, this has been a stain on the state of michigan. >> yes. >> arguably for decades. what do you think needs to be done about them now that hasn't been done before?

>> well, first of all, you're right, chuck, we've had michigan militia for a long time. i hate to say it. but, you know, when we look at the oklahoma city bombing and timothy mcvay, that was michigan militia. i wish that we had listened to janet napolitano when she more than ten years ago put out a very important report about domestic terrorism as being the highest threat for our country. we all saw what happened to her at the time and she was absolutely right. and so what we need is a focus in homeland security on domestic terrorism and understand that threats, particularly now, we saw it in full view, we experienced it at the capitol in full view, and it didn't go away. after the report was released over ten years ago that unfortunately didn't -- the seriousness that it deserves.

we've got to understand what this is. and it's also fueled by russians, by others who find that it's a lot cheaper to try to debunk us from within, right, rather than spending money on their own military budget. and so there's a lot of folks that, you know, from a lot of places around the world, that are going to try to amplify this. and so we've got to take it seriously. >> well, it will begin with the department of homeland security, that isn't just working on one issue, immigration. this one needs to work on multiple issues, including actual domestic security. senator debbie stabenow, from michigan, thank you for coming on. >> absolutely. i'll be speaking with one of the impeachment managers, congressman joe nugese later this hour. but up next, democrats are about to be in control of the house and the senate. will this be a moment of reckoning inside the gop. and tomorrow be sure to join

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as president trump prepares to leave office in the next 24 hours what is next for the republican party? a lot of that may depend on where you are geographically in this country. for more than four years president trump has defined the party as so-called mainstream republicans have had to remain silent or decided to remain silent and now trumpism and extremism has become more mainstream inside the gop tent than considered traditional

republicanism, say pre-2014. tomorrow, in addition to president-elect biden there will be three new democratic senators sworn into office, the minority party, republicans will face a choice, will they recommit to the trump playbook or do they recommit to the sort of pre-trump republican roots. joining me now is new york republican, congressman tom reed, congressman reed, you and i have had lots of conversations about this topic. here's where i want to begin. at the end of the day you're a representative of some 1 million constituents, a majority who voted for donald trump. let me ask you, can the republican party move away from donald trump without losing your constituents? >> i absolutely believe that, chuck and we have had numerous conversations about it and let me be clear, i am a bipartisan

member in congress. i'm a republican who's a proud republican. i was one of the first eight to endorse president trump, i was part of his -- supported him in his reelection effort. i disagreed with his style. i disagreed with rhetoric that i saw on january 6th. i called for accountability with his kren censure and i'm going to continue to listen to those 74 million voices that voted for him. but of the 74 million, the small percentage that stormed the capitol, and engaged in that insurrection of trump supporters i will tell them there's no place in the republican party for you, in my opinion. that's not the republican party i believe in. they need to be held to account and we need to isolate and purge them from our republican ranks. but to the remaining 70 plus million republicans, there's a home here. there's a home here for what we believe in as republicans. >> is there a home for donald trump? or do you think his presence makes it harder?

>> of course he's a big persona but i think what we have to do is move beyond this election. we have president biden coming into office and i was one to recognize president biden and i hope president biden will heal this nation, and i extend him a hand in compromise, good faith. but i think president trump is going to be part of the conversation moving forward. but as i listen to these voices that are angry, that are frustrated, that don't believe in america right now, and the institutions of democracy, i think what we have to do is listen to their voice and why they feel the way that they feel. they feel that they are forgotten in america and that is the moment we face in the republican party today, and i am inspired -- go ahead. >> i'm curious, though, here we are four years after donald trump was president, right, and you had two of those four years was all republican control. what do you say to those constituents, they feel as if nothing's changed for them?

why do you think they don't hold donald trump accountable for that? >> you know, i think because they're in this conclusion that the election was not real, that they lost the election because of election integrity issues that there was widespread fraud and they've rationalized that position and i also think there was a misunderstanding that they thought we controlled all levers of power, just as democrats feel that they control all levers of power in washington, d.c. without 60 votes in the senate they're going to face the same problem we faced in the first two years of president trump's administration where we faced the obstruction on the left. so that's why it's not good for the country. that's why we have to get outside of d.c.'s beltway, and recognize if we're here to do the people's work it's time to do the people's work and get it done. >> you know, if this were two warring countries, there'd be a peace agreement, there'd be some sort of negotiation. you'd meet somewhere and

negotiate. and, you know, it's interesting. i was really, you know, one of the conversations i had, and i don't want to -- you know, we were speaking very candidly with each other but it's interesting to me somehow democrats have to figure out how to forgive some republicans to work with them, and republicans have to admit they lied about some of this rhetoric. but i feel like we're not there get. right? how do you think you get there? >> you stay in the room, like we do in the problem solvers caucus. where you have these honest conversations. and remember, you're the american family. i come from 12 -- a large family, eight sisters, three older brothers and how we fixed our problems as a family is you stayed in the room and you respected each other and you listened to each other. that's where we are as a nation right now and that's what i hope president biden does, president biden takes an open approach to this and says to our republican colleagues and to democratic

colleagues we cannot be vindictive, we cannot be judgmental, we need to understand truly where these folks are coming from. you know what we have to do is we have to be realistic, it's not going to be kum-ba-yah, it's a fight, based on mutual respect and listening to each other and not leaving the room saying it's my way or the highway. >> it does feel as if -- i do buy the idea that when you get everybody in a room you can get there but i'll tell you, this -- the conservative echo chamber makes it nearly impossible for you to work across the aisle at times. i assume you get a lot of grief anytime you try to work with a democrat by some of your constituents no? >> we do, but they respect as i've stood in front of them at our town halls and i have support in our district across all spectrums of the conservative spectrum, they know who i am, where i stand, i deal with them genuinely and with my sincere beliefs and they give me that leeway because they know

i'm with them to the end. they understand that i will compromise and that i'm compromising on is what we can find that common ground on of 80%. democrats are facing this same fight. don't lose sight of this. i've talked to my democratic colleagues at length. they are having this battle with their hard left. extremism is what is at the root of this problem that is adding to this gridlock in washington and the fact that we can't get anything done because people won't stand up to their extremes on both sides of the aisle. >> whenever you hear both sides people get triggered by this, by that phrase both sides and i kind of understand why at times because it's sort of like, okay, you know, those on the left will argue, wait a minute, this guy over here trump's just triggering left and right, you look at that 1776 garbage he put out yesterday, these aren't the attempts to bring america together. >> i would agree with that and that's where -- that was a

missed opportunity. i just got asked by our local press on that, a missed opportunity from the trump administration was that opportunity when we had economic records before covid-19, an opportunity to bring the country together and i recognize that. that's why i hope president biden seizes that opportunity when covid-19 is history, brings the country together. when we have the opportunity to heal the nation, we should use it and bring it together and the rhetoric on the left can be very divisive. i experienced a dead rat, a dead brick, it is on both sides of the aisle, chuck, and it's not acceptable, and we both can agree that's not acceptable behavior in america. >> there's no doubt. but there was only one side that tried to overthrow the capitol, and i think that that is where i think -- look, everybody hopefully blows the whistle here, but i think that's where people get very, you know, hey, let's not share the blame immediately here. this got out of hand on the

right. >> totally, absolutely correct on that, chuck, we should stand up as republicans, and, you know, i stood up immediately, and i went to the floor that night and sent the message. >> i know you did. >> what the mob did that night was wrong, and that is not the american way, and we need to do better than that, and that's how we move forward. >> and this is something you have been extraordinarily consistent on. congressman tom reed, republican from new york. thanks for coming on and sharing your perspective and candor. >> thank you so much, chuck. up ahead the extraordinary security measures on capitol hill, tens of thousands of national guard troops are on high alert ahead of tomorrow's inauguration, live with the latest on these last-minute preparations. >> the house impeachment managers are preparing to make their case against what will be former president trump to the senate. we'll talk with one of them, democratic congressman joe neguse, coming up. , coming up. ridiculous. [ chuckles ] no one looks ridiculous, bob. progressive is always here for you with round-the-clock service. just so you know, next time,

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residents in the three -- in the dmv here has listened, there wasn't a lot of traffic today in the city. i assume that helps security for preparations. >> reporter: yeah, it seems like it has. if you look across with me now you can see what has replaced the normal line of traffic, it is military vehicles driving right through here in front of union station in the shod doe of the capitol dome. across the street you can see the security that we've seen building the last couple of days, the barricades with razor wire on the top. the soldiers standing guard, the sea of different federal law enforcement officials. we are at union station, which is one of the biggest -- bigger transportation hubs in northeast -- in the northeast part of the united states. it is a train station that many politicians, perhaps most famously the incoming president joe biden have taken to come to go and start their week at the u.s. capitol. right now amtrak service is south of d.c., most of them have

been suspended because of security concerns, the normal metro stop, d.c.'s subway here, that is one of 13 that are closed across this city. this place is not just a train station, not just a transportation hub, it's also been an integral part of inaugurations in the past. president george w. bush had an inaugural ball here, president obama did, president trump did in 2007. bill clinton in 1996, if you could walk with me in here, i want to show you, chuck, what it looks like right now. remember the pomp, the circumstances, all the inaugurations of years past, this is it today. it is largely empty. there will be no -- here because of covid-19. this place, you can hear my voice echoing because of security concerns and the global pandemic. chuck? >> ellison, that's a terrific visual for any of us that spend time in that train station. and you're right, it's a gorgeous train station on the inside. and you can see why it's always

been a home for one of the inaugural balls. so it is one of the -- one of the points of pride for washingtonians is our train station there and that empty sight, another reminder of the era we're living in. ellison, thank you. we will bring you the remarks from president-elect joe biden. he was hoping to come right into that station, as well as vice president-elect harris in wilmington. but because of security concerns the amtrak decision was cancelled. up next, as we await for the articles of impeachment to be delivered to the senate we're going to talk to an impeachment manager from the house, so keep it here.

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welcome back. it's been almost a week from last wednesday's vote impeaching president trump for a second time and we still don't know exactly when the speaker nancy pelosi plans to deliver the

article of impeachment to the senate which would trigger a senate trial but according to chuck schumer we may not be waiting long. he told nbc's capitol hill team this morning, quote, we've got three things we have got to do and do quickly, impeachment, nominations, and covid. joining me now is one of the impeachment managers democratic congressman from colorado joe neguse. congressman, let me start with, if you can help us on timing here, do you expect this trial to start this week, or is it more realistic that it's next week? >> it's good to be with you, chuck. i -- you know, ultimately the question is to when the articles will be submitted. that's an open question. i trust the speaker's judgment in that regard. i suspect that will happen soon. regardless of when the trial commences the managers have been working very hard over the course of the last several days and over the weekend preparing our trial strategy and we will certainly be prepared to present a very compelling case to the united states senate. >> help us out on how -- what

kind of -- how long you plan to use to present your case. we know how the last impeachment went. and the case -- and that was a bit more of a complicated case. not everybody was watching what we all saw in realtime. in some ways this is easier to lay out and you have a jury who experienced it firsthand. but is it going to take you days or take you hours to make your case? >> well, as you know, chuck, every impeachment proceeding, every impeachment trial is unique. juxtaposed obviously against the andrew johnson impeachment, or the clinton impeachment, or the impeachment of president trump. a year ago, as you'll recall, the managers are working very hard to determine and develop our strategy and ultimately that will dictate in terms of how long the trial will take. i will say that i think your point is a salient one, it's a very straightforward case. ultimately every senator in the united states senate was a witness and was a victim to this armed insurrection.

as were the managers. i was on the floor on january 6th as we were participating in the debate around the electoral college certification when the insurrection began and rioters broke into the capitol, breached the citadel of liberty for the first time since the war of 1812. clearly every senator i suspect has a very evisceral connection to the events of january 6th and that will have some bearing on the case that we present. >> i want to get you to respond directly to a process argument that congressman nancy mace a new republican from charleston made to me on sunday he wants donald trump barred from ever holding office again. she might have supported impeachment but let me let her explain why she didn't. take a listen. >> the fact that we by passed judiciary, we did not open up an investigation that we by passed due process so that set a dangerous constitutional precedent for others. no matter, even if you think the president is guilty as hell, like many do believe there has

to be due process, there has to be an investigation. we have to go -- even if it's through a special committee or judiciary, those things needed to happen in order for impeachment really, you would have gotten more republicans on board if it were done with due process and with an investigation. >> so respond, make your case to her. >> yeah, a couple things, chuck, i certainly respect my colleague, but i would respectfully disagree with her argument on a number of different fronts, first and foremost, millions, tens of millions of americans watched as our capitol was breached by these insurrectionists. there is no debate about who summoned the mob, who assembled the mob and who licked the flame of this attack as representative cheney, as you well know, the third -- number 3 house republican attested to during the impeachment process in the house. so this case was a very straightforward case, i serve on the house judiciary committee. i understand the argument that representative mace is making, the president will certainly have his right to counsel during the trial.

as you know the impeachment functions as an indictment and ultimately we'll present the evidence to the senate, have an opportunity to rebut it and ultimately the senators will make a judgment. i believe if they apply an impartial lens they'll reach the same conclusion that so many democrats and republicans concurred with, the president committed high crime and misdemeanor and he ought to be convicted. >> joe neguse, democrat from colorado, one of the impeachment managers. i know you don't know the timing yet, i get it. that's above our pay grades. we'll find out together soon. congressman, thanks for coming on and sharing your perspective. >> thanks, joe. as we await president-elect joe biden in delaware to speak he'll be joined by vice president-elect kamala harris in few hours will become america's first black, asian-american and female vice president and also the nation's first vice president to attend an historically black college or university. in this case it's washington, d.c.'s howard

university. vice president-elect harris will be escorted by the university show time marching band on inauguration day, on the campaign trail she talked about the key role the school played in her road to the executive branch. my nbc colleague trymaine lee is up the road on the campus of howard, and trymaine, look, in a non-covid, non-security threatened world i can only imagine the excitement, the number of students you'd be surrounded by these days, the excitement there would be for kamala harris. but the excitement is still there, you just have to find it digitally. explain this importance, how important of a moment this is. >> reporter: i'm glad you said that, could you imagine if this campus was actually full, anyone who's ever experienced a homecoming at hbcu understands the deep pride, the exuberance and excitement. folks connected to the howard university, you know the broader network of alumni and staff and even the president wayne frederick, are just elated to have kamala harris ascend the way she has.

she's talked so fondly about her experience here, how really foundational and how black excellence at a place like this, howard university was not the exception, it was the norm. my wife went to hbcu, a lot of friends, and they talk about the warm embrace that places like this have on not only just our best and brightest but also those who might need a little help. so they foster this amazing sense of familyhood and kamala harris is no exception. when it comes to howard wooufrt university, there's a long tradition, thurgood marshall, andrew young, carmichael. these are big shoes. i spoke to one young graduate to see kamala harris there reminds me that i can actually achieve anything i want and they can follow in her footsteps, chuck. >> all right, you know, i think dr. frederick was saying he saw -- are they seeing evidence of more applications to the school? i know that, you know, dr. frederick makes such a compelling case of why in some

ways howard's a much better place for younger african-americans who, you know, maybe have had a harder time in different ways. have they seen an uptick in applications? are they feeling moment? >> you know, there is a lot of excitement around it. but even if you take kamala harris out of the picture, you think about what we saw over the summer with this racial reckoning. they've even been able to recruit some blue chip athletes to places like howard university and other places like hbcus saying we don't have to go to predominantly white communities, we can go home, we can go to communities who embrace us. and she only bolsters that energy. and for a lot of students who say i want to be a part of that. and they can look no further than soon the white house. >> right. well, look, we've seen it even in sports what deon sanders wants to do at jackson state and sort of break some of those

barriers and re-establish a lot of ways for hbcus. i know one of the things we wanted you to do was talk to students at the university to see what their reactions were about the banner that said "1776." >> yeah, chuck. we talked to a political science professor who said it's really just the response to 1619 and it's really based in a fiction, hypocrisy of america that there's no way to disentangle slavery. to present this kind of shoddily slap dash, it's a shock to no one quite frankly because they've been on this for quite some time. >> it's both a shock, and sadly, i don't think we were surprised. trymaine lee, thanks, and let's turn it over to the president-elect. >> tracy and all my friends that are here, for everything you've

done for me and for my family throughout the years. tommy, you've been a trend a long time. i look out there, and i see, and, mike, i'm glad you're healthy man. i'm glad you're here, pal. [ applause ] look, uh, you know, it's kind of emotional for me. [ applause ] look, you've been with me my whole career and through the good times and the bad. i want to thank you for everything. to my fellow delawareans and on behalf of the entire biden family that's here today, i want to express how much you mean to me and to every one of us. you know, in our family, the values we share, the character

we strive for, the way we view the world, it all comes from home. it all comes from delaware. the state that gave my mother and father a home and a livelihood when they needed it most. a state that made my brother and sister and i, both of whom are here, understand that we can do whatever we dreamed of, whatever that was. and it gave me a chance when i was just a kid and believed in me and sent me to the united states senate before going to the county council -- after going to the county council. where jill and i found one another and where she made me strong, as earnest hemmingway wrote in "all the broken places." the state that loves our children and our grandchildren and loved our beau. when the headquarters was named

after beau, i told the general at the time, it means everything to me, to hunter, to ashley, to jill, to our whole family. but beau would be the first to say the honor goes with the men and women of the delaware national guard and their families. who gave so much, were true patriots defined by the courage of their character. and so it's deeply personal that our next journey to washington starts here. a place that defines the very best of who we are as americans. i know these are dark times, but there's always light. that's what makes this state so special. that's what it taught me. it taught me the most. there's always light. when i came home after graduating from delaware and then going on to law school at syracuse, i get home after law

school to wilmington, to our county. it had gone dark. dr. king was assassinated. wilmington had been in flames. the national guard patrolled the streets. and that turmoil inspired me to become a public defender, a step i never anticipated would lead me toward this improbable journey. where 12 years ago i was waiting at the train station in wilmington for a black man to pick me up on our way to washington where we were sworn in as president and vice president of the united states of america. and here we are to meet a black woman of south asian descent to be sworn in as the vice

president of the united states. as i told beau and hunter, i said don't tell me things can't change. they can and they do. that's america. that's delaware, a place of hope and light and limitless possibilities. and i'm honored. i'm truly honored to be your next president and commander in chief. and i'll always be a proud son of the state of delaware. [ applause ] senator carper knows my colleagues in the senate used to always kid me for quoting irish poets. they thought i did it because i'm irish. i didn't do it for that reason. i did it because they're the best poets in the world. james joyce was said to have told a friend that when it comes to his time to pass, when he

dies, he said, dublin will be written on my heart. well, excuse the emotion, but when i die, delaware will be written on my heart. [ applause ] and the hearts of all the bidens. we love you all. you've been there for us in the good and the bad. you never walked away. and i am proud, proud, proud to be a son of delaware. and i am even more proud to be standing here doing this from the major beau biden facility. ladies and gentlemen, i only have one regret.

he's not here. because we should be introducing him as president. but we have great opportunities. delaware's taught us anything's possible. and anything's possible in this country. so god bless you all, and may god protect our troops. thank you. [ applause ] >> well, an emotional joe biden. and it is a reminder he has -- oh, never mind. let's listen to this. >> thank you. [ applause ] >> please welcome rabbi michael biels to deliver the benediction. >> it's an emotional joe biden. and i think i have mike memoli here, who has tracked him for 12 years. you know, first political book i

read professionally was "what it takes," which is probably the best biography you can find of joe biden until, mike, you write one. this is going to be the joe biden we see as president. he will wear his emotions on his sleeve. it will be a throwback i think w. and bill clinton were sort of outwardly more emotional than barack obama was. and of course you never saw emotions out of trump. that's going to be a lot of what we're going to see. >> the governor john carney who introduced biden said that this is joe biden's moment, this moment was made for joe biden. and i think sort of the empathy as biden's super power was what we just saw on display here. and it is really worth highlighting he would have left if the plans did not change from the joseph r. biden rail station here. but look at that lectern and what's on there, the beau biden national guard headquarters here. what biden just said there,

which is he has one regret that it was not beau who they were introducing as the next president. that was something i heard from both dr. jill biden in an interview that i conducted on veterans day as well as biden himself. he's very much in their thoughts. >> there's no doubt about it. and it's hard not to feel it with him. mike, thank you. you may stick around because my friend katy tur here may want to talk to you as well. katy, the time is yours. >> i was thinking as he was saying "don't tell me things can't change, they can and they do." what a great thing to say at this moment especially with this divided nation trying to convince americans that the truth still matters. some interesting words from the incoming president. chuck, thank you. and good afternoon, everyone, i'm katy tur. it is 11:00 a.m. out west and 2:00 p.m. in the east where at this hour the next president is about to be on his way to washington which means