as we are heading into the first week of the biden administration, i think it's time to take a deep breath and enjoy a saturday here for all of you. thank you so much for getting up "way too early" with us on this friday morning. don't go anywhere. "morning joe" starts right now. >> i would like dr. fauci, if you don't mind, to follow-up on what the president is saying. should americans have hope in this drug right now. there isn't that much of a difference in many respects with what we're seeing. the president feels optimistic about it. it probably will be safe. it is a question of not a lot of difference. it's the hope that it will work versus proving it will work. i don't see a big difference. >> i agree. i agree. . >> it is clear there were things that were said be it regarding

hydroxycholoroquine. i can tell you i take no pleasure at all being in a situation of contradicting the president. so it was really something that you didn't feel that you could actually say something and there wouldn't be any repercussions about it. the idea that you can felt up here skpr talk about what you know, what the evidence, what the science is, and know that's it. let the science speak. it is somewhat of a liberating feeling. >> a liberated dr. anthony fauci at the white house briefing yesterday. good morning. welcome to "morning joe". it is friday, january 22nd. along with joe, willie and me, we have washington anchor for bbc world news america katty kay joins us. and sam stein joins us this morning. president biden laid out a comprehensive strategy against coronavirus yesterday. biden has immediately signed an executive order for masks to be

worn during interstate travel, airplanes, traipse, buses and at airports, and requiring travelers coming into the country to prove they have a recent negative coronavirus test, and that they will comply with quarantining guidelines once they've arrived. he's also directed agencies to use the defense production act and other powers to manufacture badly needed protective gear and vaccine supplies. biden called on congress to get behind his efforts saying the u.s. death toll will likely reach a half million next month. >> our national plan launches a full scale wartime effort to address the supply shortages by ramping up production of equipment, syringes, tphaoegdzs. people look at me, like, wartime? as i said last night, 400,000 americans have died. that's more than have died in all of world war ii.

400,000. this is a wartime undertaking. today i'm signing executive action to use the defense production act and all other available authorities to direct all federal agencies and private industry to accelerate the making of everything it needs to protect, test, vaccinate, and take care of our people. >> i know these bold practical steps will not come cheaply. but failing to do so will cost us much more dearly. ive look forward to working with both parties in the congress. we're in a national emergency. it's time we treat it the natio the united states of america. >> we playef this at the top. dr. anthony fauci stepping up to the white house briefing room podium for the first time in months yesterday and spoke

pretty freely about how he felt of the previous administration and how it handled the coronavirus pandemic. >> one of the new things in this administration is if you don't know the answer, don't guess. just say you don't know the answer. one of the things we will do is be completely transparent, open and honest. if things go wrong, not point fingers but to correct them and to make everything they do be based on science and evident. that was literally a conversation i had 15 minutes ago with the president. the idea that you can get up here and talk about what you know, what the evidence, what the science is and know that's it. let the science speak. it is somewhat of a liberating feeling. >> we certainly are not starting from scratch. we are continuing. but you're going to see a real ramping up of it. the goal that was set by the president of getting 100 million people vaccinated in the first

100 days is quite a reasonable goal. if we get 70% to 85% of people vaccinated by the middle of the summer, i will by the time we get to the fall, we will be approaching a degree of normality. >> i mean, willie, that's really the headline out of that entire press conference. . >> he ya. >> a lot of americans hearing dr. fauci saying we can get 75, 80 million out there by mid-summer, then we're going to be approaching normalcy by the fall. he is doing what so many people asked donald trump to do in march. nationalize this. use the defense production act.

throw everything that you've got at this. and the president -- president trump refused to do that. obviously a new sheriff is in town. >> yeah. in one way, it was very refreshing dr. fauci to put front and center. general psaki introduced the press conference and then stepped aside and let him run it. it was maddening to think about the last year the scientists being sidelined in favor of the president pushing some of his wild theories about this and lies about this. joe biden described it as a wartime situation, and it is. he's putting the virus front and center. he will push vaccinations out to the front. as dr. fauci said, they had started. it just need to be expedited. hitting a road blow, though. cities and states across the

country are reporting shortages. some city leaders say they are running out of doses within a few days of getting their weekly allocation. that means tens of thousands of americans able to make an appointment for a first dose later have seen that appointment canceled. in new york city, for example, first responder agencies are suspending new vaccinations because of supply concerns. both the nypd and fire department have stopped giving first doses in an effort to ensure there are enough to cover second doses for those who have already had a first shot. nbc's gabe gutierrez spoke with mayor bill de blasio. >> how frustrating has this process been? >> gabe, it's painful is the word i want to use. frustrating and painful. >> how soon before new york city runs out of vaccine? >> this week. >> reporter: mayor bill de blasio says 23,000 appointments have been scheduled. >> the supply in america should have increased every single

week. we found that we hit a wall quickly. >> so right now at least a dozen states are reporting vaccine supply shortages. in ohio, republican governor mike dewine wrote to the biden administration pleading for more vaccines as the state struggles with high hospitalization rates. in california, los angeles county officials say they have most of the resources, like large vaccine centers and enough personnel to run them. again, they lack the tos they need. in florida, the state's surgeon general has issued a new directive limiting vaccines to permanent and seasonal residents to cut down on so-called vaccine tourism. people from flying around the country and the world to get vaccines in florida. sam stein, you have been reporting on the infrastructure state by state is in place. the doses just aren't getting out quickly enough. >> yeah. i mean, this was the problem with the trump approach, which was essentially we'll get the

vaccine produced, we'll help expedite that, have it shipped to the states, and then it's up for you. in theory, if you're a federalist, that is luring. in practice, it created a whole host of problems. states and localities are having to contend with. this is in dicktive of the entire mess we're in now. it was so simple and obvious. the steps that he was outlining i think we all agree could have and probably should have been done many, many months ago. wonder where we would be now if we had taken practical steps. in reality, it's not particularly bold. thoels are steps that scientists, logistical experts, epidemiologists all were saying needed to be done and needed to be done early. it just happens he inherited it

when it had not been done. as for wartime presidency, if someone were to come to us and say later this month an incident will happen where 100,000 americans will die, i imagine that congress would expedite every possible response to deal with that and to thwart it and ward it off. that's going to happen in the next month. there are no prognostications where that does not happen. the question is, do we still have any political urgency to try to prevent it? and the people in the white house now, you are seeing they are exhausted in terms of political urgency. we have grown accustomed to a way that we will have 80,000, 90,000, 100,000 deaths a month. if this were a one-off incident, it would be much more alarming.

it has become much more of our daily routine. >> katty, there was a sense of exhaustion setting in the uk with a new variant, new surge of cases. large parts of britain had to shutdown. and obviously the health care crisis still raging there and taking the economy down with it. >> he ya. i think what's happened in the uk over the past month should really stand as a warning to people in the state about what could happen here if this new variant gets widespread. uk is on total lockdown like we were back in march. i understand it hasn't been enough. even that. a month of total lockdown hasn't been enough to bring the new numbers down. because the new variant that is in the united states. dr. fauci said it yesterday. they know they have it. they are not testing as

aggressively as the uk is. my assumption is it is much more widespread in america than we know. even though the lockdown has been in place since the beginning of january, they're still not really bringing the numbers down in the way they would like to and the way the lockdowns did last year. varians spreads much more virulently, which means people have to be far lore vigilant, and the lockdowns have to be that much more intense for a time. nobody wants them any more. in the uk, people apparently are not sticking to the rules as they were. people are fed up. yet we are facing a moment where things could get worse because we have the new variants. that was what was so refreshing at the white house podium yesterday with dr. fauci. he was honest. and joe biden, the president, has been honest about that.

there is some clarity in the mental now that maybe will be a wakeup call to people. we have been told it's going to be a difficult winter. it is actually going to be a difficult winter. >> yeah. mika, that was one of the things that struck me with the president yesterday. he did something president trump never did which is to tell hard truths. president trump liked to say it was one person coming from china, that it was going to disappear. he would say we're rounding the corner. president biden got up and said another 100,000 people are going to die this month. this is not going to be easy. we have to do hard work. shouldn't be an extraordinary statement because that's true. but it is much different than what we saw the last year. >> absolutely. a group of senate democrats filed an ethics complaint call for a problem into josh hawley and ted cruz. they are seeking for the ethics committee to investigate how the

senators' objections to the electoral college votes may have contributed to inciting the violent capitol riot. yesterday hawley called the complaint a flagrant abuse of the senate ethics process and a flagrant attempt to exact partisan revenge. >> that is so hilarious. says the man who actually led an insurrection against the united states of america and tried to undermine the u.s. constitution. >> a spokesperson for ted cruz accused the democrats of, quote, playing political games by filing frivolous e very hard to

cruz and josh hawley and president trump from what happened at the capitol. if there is anything that has happened of past four years that needs to be reconciled, it's what happened at the capitol. >> they're the trifecta of insurrection, donald trump, josh hawley and ted cruz. >> and still being prepare rotted on fox news in some ways. it's weird. >> it is. there have been things said on fox news the last couple days that are shocking. i'm absolutely flabbergasted that anybody running fox news would allow some of those statements to be said. seeming to inspire an insurrection against the united states. but we'll worry about our channel and let them worry about their channel. but, my god. my god. it's unbelievable. in this case, let's stay

focused, willie, on these united states senators who kpwheuted sedition against the united states of america but for the fact that they were, you know, members of the united states senate and probably will have immunity against charges. they would probably be going to jail for 20 years for sedition, encouraging sedition against the united states of america. but their words, there is no doubt, their words led to an insurrection against the united states of america, along with donald trump. and it's hard for ted cruz to blame this on democrats when mitch mcconnell said the same thing on the senate floor a couple days ago. and other republicans have been saying the same thing. roy blunt said the same thing on the senate floor earlier this week. that their reckless language. the reckless language that was used by donald trump and other

powerful people, other powerful people being josh hawley and ted cruz, led to the seditious acts, led to the insurrection against the united states of america, led to assassination attempts against nancy pelosi and at least a conspiracy to assassinate the vice president mike pence. and the speaker of the house, nancy pelosi. and these two were right in the middle of it. they know it. that's why three newspapers in their states are demanding they resign. corporations don't want to give them a dollar. do you want to give money to benedict arnold? i'm serious. does your pac want to give money to the modern day equivalent of benedict arnolds who inspired people to come trash the capitol, seek out mike pence to hang him, seek out nancy pelosi to shoot her, and kill a capitol

cop and injure other capitol cops? >> yeah. and one of the enduring imagesis senator hawley, turning to the crowd that later would rush in and kill a police officer and seek mike pence, chant hang mike pence, looking for the speaker as well with his fist raised in power supporting what they were doing there in protest and eventually their attack. let's not let me rewrite history either. they came back in after the attack, after the riot, after people had died, and they made the speeches objecting to the results in pennsylvania. they knew what had happened. they had just experienced what had happened, and yet proceeded with it. one other important point to make here, and it's one you have made before, joe, there are in the united states senate, how do we put this politely, people who aren't perhaps brill wrapbt.

people who as you like to say should say away from household appliances and blenders in the kitchen. probably microwaves too. these are two smart and cynical guys month knew what they were doing. they knew the election was free and fair. they knew the results were right. they knew joe biden was the president of the united states. and yet they continued and continued after the attack on the capitol. that makes it all the worse. >> it really does. it's not something i think we can completely turn the page on. >>. >> i don't think so. sam stein, other members o caucus are outraged by what hawley did, what ted cruz did. they have been. while they're going to be making their decision on whether to

impeach donald trump, vote to convict donald trump in the impeachment proceedings, they may be trying to figure out what to do with these two members that were at the tip of the spear in this insurrection. whether they get censured or they vote them out of the senate. >> there's two interesting threads happening here. one is the very visceral anger that lawmakers feel about january 6th in a way that i have not seen lawmakers feel. their lives were quite literally endangered. part of it was because their own colleagues ramped up, amped up the crowd that came in and tore apart their place of work and threatened to kill them. it's both remarkable and deeply unsettling in a way. there was an article last week where democratic lawmakers were quoted on record. and this is not about hawley or

cruz but other lawmakers. they feel like their colleagues might kill them. that is not the most ideal place to work, right? that is the most visceral anger we have. the other is the weird political underpinnings of this moment. there is confusion and uncertainty whether josh hawley and ted cruz in the modern day republican party will end up being rewarded for their actions by the base of the party which very much by every sort of piece of evidence we have still believes in donald trump, still follows donald trump, still harbors doubts about the legitimacy of the 2020 election. there is an open-ended question whether ultimately down the road josh hawley will benefit for the stand he took for raising his fist in power, as willie said it, because it will have catered to the most important part of the republican base and the in carnation of the republican party. that is what you are seeing at play here.

it is why mitch mcconnell is making the statements he's making without naming the names of his republican colleagues. trying to walk a thin line here. >> well, mitch mcconnell understands, katty kay, that the money dries up if the republican party becomes the party of josh hawley, ted cruz, donald trump and insurrection. if they become the party of rioting. if they become the party of murderers. if they become the party of people who get american flags and try to beat a capitol hill police officer to death. there is no future there. and, yes, some people are talking about getting rise of liz cheney from the house leadership, which i think is pretty funny. that would be the best thing that could ever happen to democrats in the house and nancy pelosi. because right now liz cheney is about the only member in leadership that could go to any

fund-raiser, any corporation, anybody on k street and raise a dime for the republican house caucus. the only one. >> yeah. i mean, we don't know how long it's going to last. but you effectively will have a corporate boycott of members of the republican party who have refused to accept that the election was won free and fairly. people like ted cruz and josh hawley are having corporate funds pulled away from them. that is the kiss of death of anybody wanting to run. and it sends a strong signal going forward if it is held by corporate america. let's see what happens. but, you know, you have to not do the kinds of things that hawley and cruz have done the last couple of months if you want to be financed. and yet, you know, you still sigh members of the republican party already turning on joe biden. it was interesting to hear rand

paul yesterday pick apart the inaugural address when he talks about unity. those words were not in the inaugural address. you will have members who still look at the trump base and say i cannot afford to distance myself from them. >> yeah. well, if rand paul feels a bit sensitive about those words being uttered, it's probably because he thinks they apply directly to him. they certainly don't apply to john thune. they don't apply to mitch mcconnell. mitch mcconnell spoke out against this nonsense. they don't apply to liz cheney. they don't play to adam kinsinger. they don't apply to mitt romney, james langford.

i could go over the people in the united states senate who did not go to discount black voters nationwide, like rand paul did. i understand why rand paul is sensitive about this because he's been on the forefront of spreading these lies, inspiring this insurrection and sitting back, like willie said, sitting back knowing better. he's not a yahoo that you find on back benches. he knows what he's doing. which makes it all the more cynical, all the more dangerous, all the more uncertain. still ahead on "morning joe", u.s. capitol police say they are investigating a report that a republican congressman tried to bring a gun onto the house floor. what an idiot. what a total idiot. come on. >> we'll also be joined -- >> my god.

no, a week or so after an insurrection, he tries to bring a gun onto the house floor with capitol police officers everywhere. >> we will be joined by dr. scott gottlieb. he's joining us on the heels of president biden's new national strategy for combatting the pandemic. plus, when exactly will president trump's second impeachment trial get under way? minority leader mitch mcconnell is now suggesting mid-february. >> also this morning, the newly elected chairman of the democratic national committee jamie harrison will be our guest right here on "morning joe". you're watching "morning joe". we'll be right back. we'll be ri. ♪ ♪ 2020's done a new era has begun so keep pushing forward... because this is twenty twenty won make a different future

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you were sort of one of the stars of the inauguration. were you aware this photo was

immediately sort of became the meme of the day? >> not at all. i was just sitting there trying to keep warm, trying to pay attention to what was going on. >> i appreciate you're not a politician who uses memes, but you became one. does your staff show them to you some here you are with the "sex and the city" girls. >> yeah. i've seen them. . >> wow. >> senator bernie sanders talking about his instant rise to meme stardom. here he is added to melania trump's address. weekend at bernie's. and baby yoda. they were made by repurposed sweaters in vermont. >> the best one in the famous

ghost scene with demi moore shaping the pottery. >> oh, my gosh. >> with his mittens. that was the best. you know, willie, i talked briefly before, and i don't want to get into it because i don't want to give people the attention that they probably want. >> very much, yes. . >> but mill say fox news had someone i know, a former leader of the republican party saying that democrats wanted, and i'm using his words here, democrats wanted to, quote, ex terminate, ex terminate all republicans. let me say that again for fox news sponsors. for fox news sponsors to let you know what's happening now on fox news. that they are getting people who are fox news contribute onnors, who are saying that democrats,

joe biden and democrats, want to, quote, exterminate all republicans. you also have fox news hosts that are talking about how democrats are using troops to make american people sub missive. that they are not american troops. they are democratic troops that are just there to show that they are in complete power. this is sick. willie, it's especially sick and damaging. here we are, what, a couple weeks after an insurrection against the united states of america. i understand that fox news is having trouble because news max is taking some of its viewers. and some of the people think fox news hasn't been harsh enough since the election.

but we had mobs surging up to the united states capitol a couple weeks ago. and you have a former republican leader saying that all democrats want to, quote, exterminate republicans. that is patently unamerican for him to say that. he is trying to gin up the base so he can make money on his mailing lists, so they can drive ratings up and so he can in entire an insurrection against th and for another host to be as anti-american as he is, attacking our men and women in uniform, saying they are not americans, they're democrats and they're there to make the american people submit to the

democrats' will. that is beyond grotesque. we -- of all the crazy stuff we have seen, we've never been to this point yet. >> you get the distinct sense, joe, since he encouraged his support stories stopwatching and suggesting other outlets like the one you just mentioned, they are playing a little bit of catch up over there. they are having to woo back some of those viewers. and continuing with the lie that donald trump won the election. joe biden was sworn into office on wednesday. even qanon supporters are saying, okay, the gig is up. we lost the battle. we're moving on. many at fox news are continuing with the dangerous lie. as you say, it is manifesting itself in ways that talk about the troops in the streets as a

vacuum, as if that was not a response to the violent attack on the capitol two and a half weeks ago. as they were there as a show of support against conservatives or whoever, as if they weren't there to seal off a city that was literally attacked two weeks ago. let's go to host of "way too early" kasie hunt. kasie, good morning. good to see you. let's talk impeachment here. mitch mcconnell said he wants the vote delayed a couple weeks by the senate -- excuse me, the trial delayed a couple weeks in the senate. what are you hearing about whether democrats will accept that and how is it going to play out? >> willie, good morning. good to see you too. the politics are complicated and layered. democrats obviously want to get a move on with president biden's cabinet picks is and some of the priorities. from that perspective, this would give them a couple weeks to do that. but of course the question is what is this distance if the

time passes from the insurrection on january 6th, what happens to the levels of anger, to the focus on what unfolded that day? there are conflicting views on this. we are learning more every day that goes by, we're learning more. and joe made this point a couple days ago about just how bad it was, about what happened at the capitol, about the danger that these members of congress were in, about the level of threat to the vice president, the then vice president mike pence, to other members of congress. the intention was clearly in some cases to potentially try and hold hostage and kill these members of congress. so it's possible that the more information we learn, the more it will become clear they need to do something to hold donald trump accountable for the role he played in making this happen. the flip side is the more distance you put between that event and the trial, the more we

potentially turn back to politics as usual. i think the real question here, the republican party has a chance to shut the door forever. some will have to step up and sacrifice their own political careers if they want to do that. time and time again we have seen these people are simply not willing to do that, joe. >> that's right. they don't have the capacity, which is at this point stunning because it's their own future. u.s. capitol police are investigating a report that republican congressman andy harris of maryland tried to bring a gun onto the house floor. why? >> why? >> why? during a vote yesterday -- >> what an idiot. >> -- they stopped harris at security. he saw the firearm on harris and told his superiors.

new metal detectors were ordered by house speaker nancy pelosi after the deadly riot at the capitol. they have become a flashpoint among some republican members and have at times created tension with police. huff post reports harris attempted to get another member to take the gun from him so he could go vote. the member told harris he didn't have a license -- >> what's a guy carrying a gun around for? >> harris then left on the elevator and 10 minutes later returned to the house chamber. he placed his cell phone and keys and did not set off the magnetometer. house members are allowed to carry firearms in the halls on the capitol grounds, including the capitol building, including ammo has to be separately compartmentalized. the congressman has been threatened. >> we all have.

>> and never confirmed he is carrying a firearm. >> really, the stupidity is just extraordinary. by the way, i'm speaking as somebody who has done this, somebody who made thousands and thousands of votes >> you haven't done this. you haven't brought a gun >> no. but i've been there and i voted. as long as josh hawley, ted cruz and donald trump aren't trying to get americans to kill nancy pelosi and mike pence and commit insurrection against the united states of america. you know. kasie knows. there are capitol hill cops everywhere. it's more secure than ever. for this guy and for others to think they're going to be able to carry a gun onto the house floor when we have republican members of congress that have had fund-raising letters that show pictures of aoc and other democrats while the republican

is holding an ar-15 saying i'm coming to target these women or they better watch out, or something along those lines. who the hell would be comfortable with anybody having a gun on the house floor? >> yeah. the house floor -- >> sorry. go ahead. >> go ahead, kasie. >> the house floor was the safest place in washington. january 6th. >> we'll start with the person who has a name that starts with a "k." go ahead, kasie. you go first. >> sorry about that. it was the safest place in washington. the house floor, until january 6th, when it was republicans who helped incite this mob led by president donald trump that went in there in the first place. some of the members of the house have suggested this is the right way to remedy things. that's why there are magnetometers. republicans are making a big deal being on the side of the cops here.

there have been some altercations between republican members who don't want to get wanded going onto the house floor, and the capitol police who are just trying to do their jobs and keep everybody safe. there are a lot of problems with all of this. mean, they're whin katty, a little two weeks after their lives were in danger. these guys are whining about being wanded going onto the house floor. who the hell do they think they are? >> it's kind of, you know, libertarianism at its most absurd extreme. we are never going to have the deposit tell us what to do with our weapons. and it's a show. andy harris isn't really going to go in there and defend anybody, let alone himself by thinking that he can take a gun -- what's he thinking he's going to do by taking a gun onto the house floor? if there is another insurrection, is he going to be

the guy that defends the rest? no. he's doing this for his voters back home, die-hard trump supporters, some of them, and he is showing he's still fighting. echoes of the rally that was outside the white house that started all of this. this is what it feels like. we're going to show the liberals we're still fighting and we're going to make some kind of pranky, absurd gesture of trying to take a gun onto the house floor, which is not going to achieve anything. >> it's interesting he whines about his life being threatened. well, get in a very long line in the age of trump. and get way the hell behind mika and me on that front. but he's never had his life threatened. >> no. >> -- by somebody actually inside the chamber. there are democrats who can say that they have had their life threatened or they have reason

to believe that they are being targeted by somebody carrying an ar-15 and sending it around saying i'm coming to get these members of congress. so please, please stop your whining, start getting wanded, and go in and just vote and shut up. >> okay. >> you are not special. get in line behind the 435 other members. and you know what, take your medicine because it's people on your side of the aisle who were responsible for this. not aoc. oh, no! no! not aoc. not bernie sanders. >> no. >> not elizabeth warren. this is on you. this is on your caucus. this is on your party. it's all your fault. so shut up and do what everybody else is doing. you, repeat after me, you are not special. now, on that happy frontive to

ask you one question, kasie, there's a little back and forth. let's go from idiots on the sen side there's a lot of back and forth about this power sharing arrangement, who is going to be running what committees, is there going to be a filibuster. i just -- you know what, the news coverageer dates me so much. people write just two days ago they were talking unity. now they are fighting. well, of course they're going to fight how they set up the senate. do they expect people to hold hands and, like, sing kumbaya today and give daisies out? no. they've got to do their job. they've got to negotiate back and forth to figure out to set up the senate. no, it's not going to be an easy process because a lot is at stake. that doesn't mean they can't work together the next two years. i think i've had my say. what say you?

>> there is a lot at stake, joe. and this setup is going to matter a lot. frankly, they're trying to work out a whole bunch of stuff at once. the timing of the impeachment trial. mitch mcconnell is making a power play too. he's trying to get chuck schumer is not ending the filibuster. you can go down a wonky rabbit hole about this. but the politics are interesting and complicated. aoc is considering -- she's been open about a primary challenge against chuck schumer. getting rid of the filibuster in the senate is a huge issue for democratic activists. in many ways it is or this number one issue. it opens the chance to do so much in the first two years of a biden administration. so what does chuck schumer say? he knows he doesn't have the votes to get rid of the filibuster. so he could in theory make that commitment to mitch mcconnell say, okay, fine, i know i don't have the votes. but he is putting his whole

political career on the line risking that primary challenge, putting himself right in the spotlight and in the firing line. guess what, mitch mcconnell is acutely aware of all of that. . >> you know, willie -- by the way, this is mitch mcconnell's job, by the way. again, as we're a day or two away from the inauguration, yes, i'm preaching unity. yes, i believe 10 moderates -- we can see more legislation passed the next two years than have been passed the last decade. meaningful legislation. bipartisan legislation. but it's mitch mcconnell's job to push and fight for the best job he can get for his conference. it's chuck schumer's job to push for the best deal he can get for his caucus. that's just the way it goes. and people should grow up and not be so shocked and stunned

and deeply saddened that actually these two leaders are going to be tussling and fighting and trying to get the best deal they can get. that's why they are where they are. >> yeah. exactly. that's the way congress works. as you know, that's the way the senate works. they're going to fight, scratch, claw to get a better deal. it doesn't mean unity has dissolved. and i think the unity that president biden has talked about is national unity. there is never going to be complete unity. that's the point of congress. they debate and argue. in terms of covid relief and also managing an impeachment trial over on the side in the next couple of weeks. meanwhile, president biden also saying he has confidence in fbi director christopher wray and plans to keep him in his role. jen psaki confirmed that yesterday. wray, who has more than six years left, had no indication that president biden or his team

was dissatisfied with him. an official said wednesday night, the sentiment shared all have been positive. he was named to head the bureau in 2017 by former president donald trump. meanwhile, arrests yesterday in the aftermath of the january 6th capitol riot include a michigan man accused of attacking police with a hockey stick. according to an fbi affidavit, michael joseph foy was arrested in a suburb of detroit, tprsably assaulting a federal officer, and obstruction of law enforcement. foy could be seen in a number of riot videos. the "new york times" reports the fbi identified foy using postings on his father's facebook page. when discussing a picture of his son, the affidavit notes foy's father said, quote, he was raised better. covering national security and intelligence, ken delaney yann.

social media posts from the guys who were there getting them into trouble and into the hands of law enforcement. >> good morning, willie. yeah, that's right. so far this has been a relatively easy investigation for the fbi. because many of the people, many of the 140 people who have been charged federally thus far have either posted about their activities, have been shown on video or have come forward to the fbi and admitted their involvement. now it's going to get more complicated from here as the justice department pursues potentially charges of seditious conspiracy, the charge of trying to overthrow the u.s. government or impede u.s. law. that carries 20 years in prison. so far they have charged a couple of militia members. but most of the people have been just stupid. quite frankly. for example, there was a houston

police officer, tam dinh pham, he denied being in the capitol. then they showed him photos on his phone of him in the capitol. and he admitted to having been there. he has been fired from the houston police department. one troubling thing lot of this, npr analysis found that 20% of the people arrested have some sort of tie to the military. which raises a host of questions and shows there is a problem of extremism connected to the u.s. military in the country, that the pentagon needs to grapple with. >> yes. friends of a man arrested last week for threatening house speaker nancy pelosi and d.c. mayor bowser are speaking out against former president trump. cleveland meredith junior was arrested in washington, d.c. on january 13th with a truck full of weapons, 2,500 rounds of

imadmission, and a phone call of text messages about his intentions. a new article in the new yorker profiles the georgia dad turned trump fanatic and describes him as becoming increasingly racist and unmoored from fact. one of his former classmates blamed the president. he lost his family, his marriage, his mind, and now his freedom. he did it to himself, but he had a lot of help. dave, this is -- this is how it begins. and there is -- i mean, i see a direct link from the president to these people. but in the eyes of the law, how hard will it be to connect those dots? >> mika, it's tough. because the crime of incitement

is tough to prove because the first amendment protects lots of speech, including speech that is inflammatory. to get to the crime of incitement, you need to show it was intended to produce lawless action. the key is to show intent. that's hard to do. it's not enough to say, hey, look at the people who are radicalized. you have to look at the mind-set of the speaker. one way to show it is to show their actions before and after. if you want to charge the president with incitement based on his speech at the rally, you could look at his actions afterwards, which are not helpful to him, mind you. afterwards, it took hours for him to say, go home. and even then he said we love you. you're very special. he's talking about domestic terrorists, mind you. if it is true, as senator ben sasse says, that trump was delighted when he watched the riots in realtime, that would be tough for him.

i saw a meme that said if prosecutors are able to do so, maga would have to be changed from make america great again to many are getting arrested. >> that's what it stands for now. sam stein? >> you watch this, and ken talked about how they are plain old stupid with how they posted on here. but, you know, we all -- i've talked to people who have gone sucked into these rabbit holes, specifically qanon. it's just a remarkable amount of disinformation they assume is real. and the question i always have when i talk to them is how do you get them out of the rabbit holes? i just wanted to make that point. ken, i'm curious from your perspective, obviously law enforcement is looking at this for valid reasons. they're making arrests. they're going to bring charges. there is a political component, too. there is a question of do committees on congress take the time and investigate what

happened, ask questions what kind of role they played and potentially fermenting this and put together a report of any variety. not just congress. does the incoming biden nsc look into this as well? are you picking up any of that in your reporting asking around to people? just how much are the political entities, not just law enforcement entities, going to get involved in looking at what happened january 6th? >> yeah, sam. i'm absolutely congressional staff that i talked to. and other political figures to do a deep dive into what happened here. a potential 9 /11 commission style inquiry. there's so many unanswered questions about the security failure, about the intelligence failure, which is even more shadowy. what did the fbi know about potential threats of violence? what did the capitol police

know? what was passed on? what wasn't passed on. there is a sense that security agencies were paralyzed? is that because they were concerned these were donald trump's people and they didn't feel they could act completely and fully to stop what happened january 6th? and there is this hole issue how it deals with domestic radicalization. domestic terrorism. there is a big first amendment barrier here. they have always felt constrained from using the same surveillance techniques against people who connect to al qaeda or isis. there is a movement afoot to change laws around that. that may be scrutinized -- >> ken, can i ask but that real quickly? i'm sorry to interrupt. we have a delay here. can i ask you quickly, i never understood why we don't go as

aggressively after domestic terrorists as islamic terrorists. it's not as if we didn't have a blow up a federal building in oklahoma city in 1996. it's not as if we haven't seen the rise of domestic terrorism, especially through the trump era. why in the world would there not be stronger domestic terrorism laws? >> joe, you're 100% right now. i covered the 1993 bombing of the federal building by timothy mcveigh. we lost the lessons of that horrific attack. i asked law enforcement officials about this. one is we don't have the right laws, the legal turns. there are barriers to surveilling people in first amendment activity. until they actually commit violence we can't surveil them. anybody who expresses in i

affiliation with al qaeda or isis, the fbi is on them. you talk to another group of people, including people who worked domestic terrorism at the fib and say it is more political will and resources. we have the tools -- and joyce vance will say this as well, there are the legal tools. with he need to get more serious, the fbi and the justice department, about applying them and have the will to conduct surveillance and to infiltrate these chat rooms and run informants the wray they do against al qaeda and isis, against the patriot and militia groups. there is going to be a huge pushback. these people have connections to republican members of congress as we have seen. this becomes much more controversial, guys. >> it would seem republicans would have every much a bit of incentives as democrats to go after these domestic terrorist groups because they are so associated with some of the

fringe elements, so associated with. so republicans should want them to be rooted out as much as democrats. by the way, mika, i said the oklahoma city bombing was in '96. it was actually in 1995. >> ken dilanian and aaron berg, thank you so much. president biden unveils national strategy for combatting the coronavirus pandemic. one he says is based on science not politics. former fda commissioner scott gottlieb joins us at the top of the hour to weigh in on all of that. "morning joe" i have an idea for a trade. oh yeah, you going to place it? not until i'm sure. why don't you call td ameritrade for a strategy gut check? what's that? you run it by an expert, you talk about the risk and potential profit and loss. could've used that before i hired my interior decorator. voila!

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dr. scott gottlieb is a member of the pfizer board. it's great to have you back on the show. do you reflect what the president says in terms of how hard this is going to get? and with the steps that he plans to take, what is the end in sight that you see to this nightmare? look, i think it's oy going to get more difficult before it gets better. we are in a race against the new variants that are more contagious. it becomes even more important. and higher quality masks become more important. and getting people vaccinated quickly. we will have to see how it plays out. we will continue to see declines in new cases as we head into the spring. and declines in hospitalizations. we have seen that right now. the new variants are likely to create local hot spots where we

see epidemics as they increase in prevalence. the two parts of the country now where the new variants are most prevalent, san diego region and parts of florida, certainly miami. we could see localized epidemics as the national picture improves and as we get more people vaccinated. >> dr. gottlieb, we heard yesterday from new york city, they had to stop or push back appointments, postponing people who thought they were going to get the vaccine because they don't have enough doses. can you explain for viewers why exactly this is happening. when you have states and cities ready, they have the javits set up. thousands of people cant they d. why can't they get the doses? they're not available or they are not getting to the right places? >> well, it's both right now. there is more supply than what

is being deployed. i think we will work that out. the new administration has talked about getting more predictable supply for the states. the reality is we will be supply constrained. there is more demand than supply. we will produce 50,000 doses this month between moderna and pfizer, the company i'm on the board of. last month they produced 40 million doses. i think it goes down a little bit in february.month. we could probably get to more than a million injections a month. when you talk about 100 million doses delivered in 100 days, that's not 100 million people vaccinated. it is about 70 million vaccinated. increasingly more of the doses we will be delivering on a daily basis will be second doses. in the next two or three weeks, we will get to a run rate where half the doses will be second doses and half will be first doses. we are not vaccinating 100

million new a day. i think we will do better than that. >> dr. fauci laid out a scenario in his public comments when he thought through the summer and certainly by fall when the new school year begins and people will resume some essential plans of normal life. obviously it won't be exactly what it was a year ago or year and a half ago, does that line up with the way you see things, we will get 75%, 80% vaccinated by the end of summer and step back into school and work in september? >> i think we're going to be able to step back into school and work in september. we'll have to take more precautions next fall and winter. we will get back to life as some essential plans of normal. this will not dominate our lives as it does now. the new variants will become the predominant variant by then, which is a possibility. it won't be life as we knew it in 2019. i don't think we will get 80%

vaccinated, quite frankly. the initial issues was distribution. we didn't have enough sites, diversity in neighborhoodings improve. so the issue now is becoming supply. we will have more distribution than supply available. pretty soon the issue will be demand. as we work through the demand among senior citizens we will find that demand is probably weak. when we get to about 50% of the american population vaccinated, getting beyond that is difficult. we will have to go into communities, educate people, get influencers to try to coax people to get vaccinated. last year there were 123 million people vaccinated for flu, an all-time record. a lot of people came out to get their flu vaccine because they were worried about covid. that's the target market here. 80% will be hard. 50% is achievable goal. beyond that we will have to work at it. >> doctor, let's talk about the

new variant for a minute. i'm asking just based on personal observation. i have friends that have been locked up for the most part, lived in a bubble with their families. their kids have studied from home for different reasons. i know we have had to be more careful because one of my sons is a diabetic. another has upper respiratory issues. some friend of yours have a father who is a diabetic. we had gone a good bit of time in our close circle of people getting covid. this family of four with the diabetic father, they all got it. they have no idea where they got it from. my son, who i've been so concerned about, got it. i thank god it looks like he's moved through it okay. we have no idea where he got it from.

somebody i work with takes all the precautions. they have gone from march through now and suddenly, in every phase of my life, i know people over the past two weeks that have gone covid who have taken all the precautions. by the way, they're all in the infected area you're talking about. talk about this new variant and why people are so susceptible to it and what they do to protect themselves from from it. >> there's two new variants. b 117 is the united kingdom variant. and the south african b 1351. it is also in brazil. we are looking for b 117. that is probably 1% of infections in florida and san diego. it is doubling every week.

the south african variant we just started looking for. it's harder to detect. it's probably here and we're just not finding it. it is probably low prevalence now. both probably at most 1% in outbreak cities like miami or san diego where their prevalence is higher. it doubles every week. if you think about that, 1% now, 2% next week, 4% the week after that, 8% after that, 16% after that. it probably won't grow that quickly. we saw in the european countries it didn't grow that quickly because a lot of people have been infected and we are starting to vaccinate the population. it could be a significant portion of the overall infections, especially where it has reached 1%. new york, boston, probably well less than 1%. maybe .2%, 3%. it might be able to achieve outbreak proportion in a reasonable period of time before we get into the summer and get

more people vaccinated. it is likely to create regionalized epidemics. it could adhere more tightly to the receptor tos in your lungs. some people think the period of time you're contagious, the presymptomatic phase is longer with the new variant. so you are more likely to shuts and not know it. we don't know why it is more contagious. it doesn't seem to make you more sick. it seems to spread much more easily. >> all right. katty kay, just in. >> doctor, thank you. a couple of things. my understanding is that the brazil, south africa variant is more alarming in terms of how it might interact with vaccines and how sick it makes people. should we be looking in the united states at much more restricted travel measures from brazil and south africa as we have done now in the uk. on the uk variant, what they

have decided to do, pause it is spreading so quickly, use all the supplies they have to give everybody one dose of the vaccine. dad will not get it in weeks now. he will now get it in nine weeks. it may be more widespread. >> the south african variant, what happened is these new variants mutated the spike protein, the protein on the surface of the coronavirus that is the target of our drugs and incorporated into our vaccines. we developed antibodies against the spike prot mutate a specific region called the receptive domain. our neutralizing antibodies target that domain. you are developing antibodies

against many different parts of the spike protein. even if some of the antibodies don't work as well because it has mutated, you will have others that work well. it is very unlikely that variant will defeat our vaccines. what's more possible is the vaccines could be less effective pause some of the important antibodies no longer work as well. a vaccine that may have been 95% effective, this is speculative, is only 75% effective against the south african variant. that is the concern. with the mono colonial antibodies, some drugs target that specific region. it's the case that they are effective in more. what we are seeing in brazil is people getting reinfected with the new strain because the immunity they developed against the old strain isn't as protective. now, the vaccine should generate a more robust immunity.

in terms of the dosing, we need to stick to the fda labelling and make sure people get the second dose in a reasonable period of time. i don't think we should try to extend the supply by giving only first doses. these arose probably because what happened certain people who are immuno compromised, they couldn't clear the infection. the infection stayed with them. it stayed in their bodies and there was secondary infection from the individuals. if we create a whole bunch of people by partially vaccinating them you could create a situation where there is a higher likely road of across the street kraeting these new variants. i wouldn't want to exclude the opportunity to get the second dose and get full immunity to

place. >> dr. scott gottlieb, thank you very much for for being on the show this morning. let's bring in doni deutsche and editor of the "washington post" and msnbc political analyst eugene robinson. the biden administrations biggest challenges are its best opportunities. gene, take it away. the coronavirus at the top of the list. >> well, yeah. coronavirus is number one. that's the first thing president biden has to focus on. the promise of 100 million doses and 100 vaccine doses in the first 100 days. we all hope he will be able to exceed that. but he has a lot of work to do.

there was no sort of last mime plan for administering the vaccine in a comprehensive nationwide way. some states have been able to do it more rapidly than other states. a lot of jurisdictions have had to stop making new appointments for getting the vaccine because of the supply problem, because the supply isn't getting to the places where it needs to get. and so this is clearly the number one problem. the biden administration has a big agenda it wants to begin working on, including the economy and the relief program. and there is another thing that this government has to do. that's accountability.

we have to -- there has to be accountable for the siege at the capitol in which five people died, including impeachment. and i believe argue in the column that this is a walk and chew gum at the same time situation. that both the new administration's agenda and the accountability for what the old president did has to happen. and they can be mutually be enforcing than mutually disruptive especially for a republican party that is badly in need of cleansing. >> you talk about being self-destructive. doni deutsche, we were talking the last hour that a former republican leader is going on fox news now and telling people watching fox news that joe biden's democratic party wants to, quote, exterminate all

republicans. saying they are not there to protect americans. they are only there to show americans that the democrats are empowered. never mind they were sent out by president donald trump on monday, tuesday, and wednesday. i do wonder if the murdochs were not paying attention january 6th. i do wonder if they are really so concerned about news max getting a few of their viewers that they are allowing former republican leaders to go out and talk about extermination to continue whipping qanon people, continuing whipping potential future insurrectionists into a rabid frenzy. are they never ever going to

wake up and understand how damaging this sort of talk is to america? >> here's what i don't understand -- forget moral point of view. it's reprehensible. i don't know how they look themselves in a mirror. from a business point of view, it's a very, very desperate end game. do you know in primetime, one of three commercials on primetime fox is the pillow guy. advertisers can no longer -- if you watch what's beyond the pillow guy, it's gold. they have pretty much taken themselves out of the mainstream advertiser business. and that's going to continue. i don't cair how many viewers you get. at the end of the day you are not being supporters by advertisers. that's where the money is. so i think, you know, they may get a harsh wakeup call. it's only going to get worse. and the biggest kind of tool that biden has and the democrats have against all of this is

competence. you're starting to see it already. i want to just talk as a former guy that ran a company, not that biden needs my grade on what he has done the last couple of days, the first 44 hours. in a crisis situation, it's very -- i ran a couple thousand people. h.e.l.p. you start with honesty. you saw fauci saying how nice it was to be able to just get up there and talk honestly. and you follow with empathy. i know how dire it is. here's the honest facts. i get it. there is nobody better at that than joe biden. and then simply lay out a plan. people are not stupid. you don't overpromise. you underpromise. if you fail, you will not get the trust and believability. and he just laid out a plan that you don't have to be a rocket scientist. okay. that makes sense. yeah, i would do that. okay. i hear you. and give hope at the end. and people will follow you. i'm bridging when you talked about with the disgustingness of

fox which now in the abc news poll, 33% republicans say they don't think the future of the party is donald trump. so all you need to do is fuel the biggest weapon is calm competence. that's what we are starting to see. only 44 hours in. boy, it feels good. >> yeah. breath of fresh air. still ahead on "morning joe", the biden administration and the new democratic congress are just getting started. our next guest is already preparing for the 2022 midterms. newly elected chairman of the democratic national committee jaime harrison is standing by and joins us next on "morning joe". rning joe" dad, it's a video call. hold the phone in front of you. how's that? get...get mom. [ding] power e*trade gives you an award-winning app with 24/7 support when you need it the most. don't get mad. get e*trade and start trading today. among my patients, i often see them have teeth sensitivity as well as gum issues.

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moment. >> here we go. >> not yet. >> barry has some more to do. ♪♪ not yet. okay. there you go. that's parry white's love. 7:25 on the east coast. >> did you want to be a deejay. yes. that's all i wanted it to be. my mother said when people asked what joey was going to do, you keep the music up, my friend. we can do two things at once. people would say what is joey going to be, he is either going to be deejay or president of the united states. it ended up more of a deejay. . >> well, i think you do a great job. >> did i tell you that was barry white? one of my favorite episodes -- keep the music up. come on. i'm going to be james brown. i'm going to the floor soon.

did you ever see the day that letterman episode where he was camping with barry white? >> i don't think i did. i want to hear everything about it, though. >> we've got to dig that up. it was wonderful. >>ing on. >> we do traffic and weather on the 1s. joe scarborough pays your bills if you are the 100th caller. there is so much we can do with this. >> traffic and weather was my thing back in connecticut. >> that's one of the things i miss about driving around new york city. okay, stop. anyway, it's one of the things i miss about new york city is listening to the radio. i have to say this while barry white plays in the approximate background. number one hit from 1974.

the sound of philadelphia in the background. but one of the things i miss -- oh, there it is, oh, yeah. >> oh, my god. >> you're my first. you're my last. have you watched martin scorsese's latest on netflix? with ann leibovitz. >> yes. she's talking about reading books. yeah, she's amazing. >> it's amazing. she's the best salesperson for new york city that i have ever seen in my life. with that, my friends, we have heard enough of love. now it's time to get to the dirty, ugly reality of what's in the news today. it's 7:28. >> actually, this is kind of a happy time. >> 7:28 in the morning. >> joining us now is the newly elected chairman of the democratic national committee. jaime harrison. jaime, i don't know what to say. >> jaime, that song came out 40

years before jaime was even born. >> that's okay. >> i'm wondering, the republicans are trying to bring goes onto the floor. their news channels are talking about how democrats eliminate, what was the word, mika? >> exterminate. >> want to exterminate all republicans. it's like these people haven't learned a thing from january the 6th. >> well, you know, joe, i learned here in south carolina when you play with fire, you get burned. and it's sad to see so many of these republicans right now have not learned that message. and that lesson. joe biden did something masterful in his state of the union. he didn't talk about himself. he didn't talk about donald trump. he talked about bringing together this great nation of ours. and that's what we need right now in congress.

we need some statesmen and stateswomen who will stand up and do their jobs, protecting and defending the constitution against threats both foreign and domestic. we've got a lot of domestic threats right now. and we need senators and congresspeople to stand up. we get folks like rand paul who is talking about defending white supremacy. the same guy who stood up and blocked the anti lynching bill that tom scott and kamala harris put on the floor of the united states senate. we can do better, but we have to get some of this deadweight in the u.s. senate and congress right now. >> so what then -- take us forward the next two years as you prepare for the midterms. what will be the strategy? what will be the message that democrats will be sending? and how will they poise themselves against, you know, the problems of the past while still moving forward, the accountability that is needed

while still moving forward and not getting perhaps overcorrecting. >> well, mika, the strategy is this. it's a simple one. organize, organize, organize. that is how we buck history and run two runoff elections in georgia where we have an african-american senator and jewish senator. this new south that i talked about is emerging. and so the strategy that we're going to engage in in the democratic party is we're going to fight in all 50 states. we're going to engage in battle. rand paul in kentucky, i have a friend, charles booker, who is going to knock on your door. we are going to compete by all the states and build a foundation in order to do that. and the message is one that is clear. look at what joe biden has promised and look at what to de of this great nation. he has talked about

was going to run for president. and his words are going to match his actions. build that back. >> mr. chairman, it's willie geist. good to see you this morning. democrats took the senate with the two big wins in your neighboring state in georgia. held onto the house and won the presidency. there's no way to put that other than it was a great election season for democrats. but i think you would confess the gains in the house were lacking. that you had hoped to gain a larger majority, that you lost some seats, that the tossups mainly went to republicans. what do you as the new dnc chair, what lessons have you learned from the house of representatives? >> willie, one of the big issues was covid. democrats were not able -- and i saw it in my own race. whereas we would have started

door to door canvassing in february and march of an election year, we didn't do that until really september and october here in south carolina. part of how we get our democratic base out is face-to-face contact of making sure that you can connect with people to get them out. you can do it and do it in a safe manner. we're going to make sure that we continue to take those lessons and apply that the to the midterms. and i think we will see a reverse course where we gain seats back as a result. we will invest in every state to make sure that in 2022 joe biden has a majority that he can grow instead of losing the majority like we saw in 94 and also in 2010.

>> gene robinson has the next question. >> jaime, first, congratulations to a fellow representative of south carolina. congratulations. and i know you'll do a great job. on willie's question, the party defeats and incumbent captures the senate has to be called a good cycle. but there were opportunities i think there for the democratic party that perhaps were not taken. in some ways look more like

democrats, exempt for the crazy. as you think about the future of the democratic party, which part of the republican base are you going to go after? that new trumpish base that may actually share some economic and other views or that traditional republican base that may feel alienated in donald trump's republican party? >> yeah. well, gene, the first thing we're going to do, i think there are more democrats. there's low hanging fruit in the democratic party. we need to register more voters. here in south carolina, i got 400,000 unregistered black voters in the state. you know, i lost to lindsey graham by 200,000 votes. we can register for voters. that's what we're going to do for the party. have a national voter registration initiative. second, i think we can't just compete in urban areas.

we have to go into rural america. the one thing i wanted to spell is rural america does not equate to white america. rural america is just as diverse as the rest of america. we need to make sure the folks in those communities understand that we see them, that we hear them, we value them and that we will fight for them. they believe we as a party have ignored them. and so we are going to extend our efforts there. we will be very aggressive in terms of our messaging and going into rural america to let them know this party has a chase for them, a home for them in the democratic party, and we're going to fight for them. >> all right. dnc chair jaime harrison. thank you very much for being on. good luck to you. gene robinson, thank you as well. coming up on "morning joe", accountability versus reconciliation. the continued debate over the best approach to turn the page from the trump years. we'll be right back. right back.

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foreman president trump and other important people provoked the these -- those folks to come to the capitol. >> i don't believe he provoked it if you listen to what he said at the rally. >> all of us here today do not want to see our election victory stolen. we will never concede. it doesn't happen. you don't concede had there's theft involved. >> we're gathered in the heart of our tphaeugs's capitol for one, one very basic and simple

reason, to save our democracy. . >> we're going to have to fight much harder. and mike pence is going to have to come through for us. and after this, we're together to walk down, and i'll be there with you. you'll never take back our country with weakness. you have to show strength and you have to be strong. >> is the republicans have to get tougher. >> fraud breaks up everything, doesn't it? when you catch somebody in a fraud, you're allowed to go by very different rules. >> if we allow this group of people to illegally take over our country -- because it's illegal when the votes are illegal. something is wrong here. something is very wrong. it can't have happened. and we fight. we fight like hell. and if you don't fight like hell, you are not going to have a country anymore. >> i don't believe he provoked if you listen to what he said at the rally. >> house minority leader kevin mccarthy told us to listen to what president trump said at the rally before the capitol riot.

so we did. >> we've also listened to what kevin mccarthy himself said on the house floor when he was getting concerned because corporations said they were not going to give money to him or to other members that voted to not count millions and millions of black voters votes across the united states. they tried to erase millions and millions of black votes with their vote on january the 6th. he's changing his tune two weeks later. you have former republican leaders that are saying democrats want to exterminate all republicans. these people obviously have not learned their lesson. they have already forgotten the hell that this country was put through two weeks ago.

police officers being brutized by donald trump supporters with american flags. police officers being murdered by donald trump supporters. nancy pelosi's life being threatened by donald trump supporters. vice president mike pence's life being threatened by donald trump supporters. all because, as mitch mcconnell said, and kevin mccarthy said in the past, they were fed lies repeatedly and they believed those lies. >> joining us to continue the conversation we started yesterday, msnbc political analyst and publisher of the newsletter "the ink." and professor of history at new york university ruth, the aurblgt of the book" strong men, mussolini to the present." >> so if you can, ruth, let's draw the comparisons between what we saw in the united states

and what we saw during mussolini's rise where he would get mobs of people to attack government buildings that actually was part of his rise. i know we've shied away from calling donald trump a fascist over the past five years. but over the last month or so, there's been no doubt that you look at the definition of fascist even on wikipedia and it fits too tightly for donald trump not to be called a fascist. draw the parallels. >> yeah. one of the reasons i wrote the book was to show that this toolkit of corruption, violence, and propaganda and a leader called to the national greatness, i'm going to save the nation, was -- it's something that reoccurs. and donald trump ticks all the boxes. in fact, the first person to say i'm going to drain the swamp and

clean up the country was mussolini. he actually used that term. unlike hitler, he was a prime minister of a democracy for three years. the reason he declared dictatorship, leaders of the opposition found out about his corruption and he was fingered in the investigation. there was a special prosecutor. and to shut shut down the investigation as to his complicity in the murder of this socialist leader he declared dictator ship. but he had gone that far because he energized these paramilitaries. and he established the leader cult and used problem began da. >> used propaganda and in donald trump of course used so many tools in that toolkit. he talked about violence, told followers as far back as 2016 if they didn't want hillary clinton to appoint any federal judges, well, they could vote or they

could actually apply what he called second amendment solutions. time and again he told people in his audience, beat up my opponents. i will pay your defense bills. i long for the days when they take people out on the stretchers. he's been talking this way for five years now. it just came to a head january the 6th. listen, i'm the first person to say new presidents need to move on. they don't need to litigate past claims. but when you have a fascist president who tried to undermine the constitution of the united states and inspired an insurrection against the government, it's -- you can't move on that from the that. you're just asking for more insurrection in the future if federal authorities don't move as aggressively as possible against those domestic terrorists. >> we are only -- the only

saving grace of the trump presidency is he was a particularly kind of fascist, the idiot fascist. not a particularly smart, competent or effective fascist. that was it as saving graces go. he wasn't able to realize the fullness of his plans. and it's really important for folks to understand not just on the republican side but on the democratic side that justice and accountability for what we were just talking about aren't a detour from healing in the future. they are how to get to healing in the future. and it's very interesting particularly on the right. and you know this from a lot of your former friends, current friends. the right has been the force in american life that has talked about justice andabilitiability being essential to healing. what is the victims' rights movement in criminal justice but saying if we don't get punishment there can't be healing for victims in communities. what is tough on crime posture for decades but saying if we're

not tough on justice and accountability, there can be no safety and healing in communities. what is the fervent support for the death penalty you have seen on the right if you don't say if not for justice and accountability we can't have healing. so whether or not you like those policies, it's the right who has been telling us for years in america that absent justice and accountability, there can be no healing. justice and accountability are the gateway drug to healing, unity, coming together. if we are not ruled by dictators who are we ruled by? what are we ruled by? the law. and the law has been badly bruised, very battedly injured. so i think that's got to be an absolute priority of this administration. also just of local prosecutors and local institutions. those of us in the media, i did an interview with share lynn aisle. she talks about every institution can do their own

accountability process. every newspaper can do their own process. what were our headlines like? who did we give air to? every law firm, which of our firms ran bogus cases to overturn an election. absent ran bogus cases? next time we may not be lucky enough to get an idiot fascist. >> exactly. you talked about lawyers. >> 100%. >> filing sham pleadings. federal courts have got to sanction those lawyers for trying to undermine american democracy and for filing sham pleadings and some of them need to be disbarred and every institution needs a full accounting. willie, it's important for democrats to understand that republicans are throwing everything they can at the wall right now. some republicans. you know, kevin mccarthy and others were talking unity first. let's have unity. no justice, just unity. let's forget about the

insurrection. let's forget about the fact that we all said some things and voted in a way that caused cops to be brutalized with american flags, killed. the capitol torn to shreds. mike pence targeted for assassination. nancy pelosi targeted for assassination. let's have unity. well, that didn't work so now they're moving to the second phase where you have a former republican leader and others talking about -- talking about how democrats now want to exterminate all republicans. why? because they're calling for justice. they're calling for what republicans have long said was law and order. i guess law and order is out of vogue in the republican party since january 6th. >> the fallback has always been victimhood. somehow they made themselves the victim of this attack on january 6th on the capitol, which as you say killed five people, targeted

the vice president and the leadership of our country. the new line is that democrats are out to get republicans over this, as if it happened again in a vacuum. i would ask the professor also the question of social media. mussolini want around in the age of social media, but these lies that have been fed into the american bloodstream by our leadership have really gotten there through social media. that doesn't go away. donald trump can have his twitter platform taken away. they can take him off instagram and facebook, but there are people, many, many, many people, 74 million voted for donald trump who despite the fact that joe biden was sworn in on wednesday believe that he is a fraudulent president because of lies they have been told by leadership and lies that continue now in facebook groups. what do you do to combat that? >> it's difficult. what social media does is soup

up and and accelerate the principles through which propaganda works. one is repetition. one is saturation of the market. the same message which is replicated over and over again. that's very hard to combat. i think a number of people who have been living in this fictional bubble that trump created, and i think some of them will see -- we've already seen interesting testimonies of peoples bubble being burst because of the physical fact of biden having been inaugurated and this new administration there, that's why the inauguration is very important. i think that we're going to see some of those people exit from their bubble. the victimhood thing, i want to point out, it's very, very important and it's important to january 6th because this mussolini -- mussolini started this. the authoritarian leader is an

aggressor but always a victim and he has to be rescued at important moments. january 6th was also a rescue of a leader endangered. this is an old, old thing, goes back a hundred ed of something his. >> donny deutsch, i'll throw th to you. i couldn't agree with you more that we can't have justice, we can't have unity until there's accountability. will that accountability -- let's say trump does not get held accountable on the national stage for us, but he ends up like al capone going to jail, the district attorney, which i believe may still happen, he may end up in jail but not for this. the do you still cut off the head of the monster? does it have to be directly linked to this insurrection or is it just important that we just take this guy apart period?

>> well, you know, i would prefer it for the purposes of justice and accountability to be for the main thing but i think a lot of people understand that rich and powerful people have a way of beating back the direct case and i think most people would still process that as some kind of justice for him. to the professor's important point. part of this justice is not just on him. it's on the media ecosystem of fox news and oann which is not just offering a differing opinion, but it's a brain mashing machine. we see after the terrorist insurrection, 12% of americans supported the terrorist attack. so i'm not just worried about a few thousand people on the hill, i'm worried about several million people down with

terrorism as a means of political conduct. they are brain mashing victims as well as perpetrators of this activity. we need to shift the debate to say is fox news a thing that should exist in america? is that not a violation of the basic ethics and norms of a civil society if not the law? >> i don't disagree. what an incredible conversation. professor of history, ruth ben-ghiat and anand giridharadas. thank you for being on this morning. up next, president biden predicts the u.s. death toll from covid will likely reach 500,000 by next month. he puts the country on a war footing against the virus. we'll have his new actions straight ahead. "morning joe" is coming right back.

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>> i would like dr. fauci to follow up on what the president is saying. should americans have hope in this drug right now? >> there's not much difference in many respects to what we're saying. the president feels optimistic about something. his feeling about it. fundamentally i think it will be safe. i would like to prove things first. it's a question of not a lot of difference. it's the hope that it will workers haves proving that it will work. i don't see big differences here. >> i agree. >> it is very clear that there were things that were said be it regarding things like hydroxychloroquine and other things like that that really was an uncomfortable thing because they were not based on scientific fact. i can tell you i take no pleasure at all being in a situation of contradicting the president. so it was really something that you didn't feel you could actually say something and there wouldn't be repercussions about

it. the idea that you can get up here and talk about what you know, what evidence -- what the science is and know that's it. let the science speak, it is somewhat of a liberating feeling. >> a liberated dr. anthony fauci at the white house briefing yesterday. good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it is friday, january 22nd. along with joe, willie and me, we have washington anchor for bbc world news america, katty kay joining us. and white house editor for politico sam stein joins us this morning. so, president biden laid out a comprehensive strategy against coronavirus yesterday. bidens immediately signed an executive order for masks to be worn on planes, trains and at airports and requiring travelers coming into the country to prove they have a recent negative coronavirus test and that they

will comply with quarantining guidelines once they arrived. he's also directed agencies to use the defense production act and other powers to manufacture badly needed protective gear and vaccine supplies. biden called on congress to get behind his efforts saying the u.s. death toll will likely reach 500,000 next month. >> our national plan launches a full scale wartime effort to address the supply shortages by ramping up production and protective equipment. when i say wartime people look at me like wartime? as i said last night, 400,000 americans have died. that's more than have died in all of world war ii. 400,000. this is a wartime undertaking. today i'm signing an executive action to use the defense production act and all other

available authorities to direct all federal agencies and private industry to accelerate the making of everything needed to protect, test, vaccinate and take care of our people. i know these bold, practical steps will not come cheaply, but failing to do so will cost us so much more more dearly. i look forward to working with members of both parties in the congress. we're in a national emergency. it's time we treat it like one. together with the national plan as the united states of america. >> we played some of this at the top. dr. anthony fauci stepping up to the white house briefing room podium for the first time in months yesterday and spoke pretty freely about how he felt of the previous administration and how it handled the coronavirus pandemic. >> one of the new things in this administration is if you don't

know the answer, don't guess. just say you don't know the answer. one of the things that we'll do is be completely transparent, open and honest. if things go wrong, not point fingers, but to correct them and to make everything we do be based on science and evidence. i mean, that was literally a conversation i had 15 minutes ago with the president. the idea that you can get up here and talk about what you know, what evidence -- what the science is and know that's it. let the science speak, it is somewhat of a liberating feeling. >> we certainly are not starting from scratch. we're continuing, but you'll see a ramping up of it. the goal set by the president of getting 100 million people vaccinated in the first 100 days is quite a reasonable goal. if we get 70% to 85% of the country vaccinated, let's say by the end of the summer, middle of the summer, i believe by the time we get to the fall we will be approaching a degree of

normality. >> willie, that's really the headline out of that entire press conference. a lot of americans hearing dr. fauci saying if we can get 75 million, 80 million out there by mid summer, then we're going to be approaching normality by the fall. normalcy by the fall. and we've heard in president biden's first two days that he's doing all the things that not only this show but so many other people and health care experts were begging donald trump to do starting in march, which is let's nationalize this. use the national production act -- the defense production act. throw everything that you got at this. president trump just refused to do that. obviously a new sheriff is in town. >> yeah. in one way it was refreshing to

see dr. fauci put front and center, jen psaki introduced the press conference and then stepped aside to let him run it to put the scientists first. on the other hand it was maddening to think about scientists being sidelined and the president at that podium pushing his wild theorys about this and frankly lies about this. joe biden described it as a wartime situation and it is. he's putting science out front and center and will push vaccinations out to the country as he said. they're not going from a standing start. that's something that was out there yesterday that they are basically going from a clear slate. there was nothing from the trump administration. as dr. fauci said they started it just needs to be expedited. the coronavirus vaccinations hitting a roadblock. cities and states across the country are reporting shortages. some city leaders say they're running out of doses within a few days of getting their weekly allocation. that means tens of thousands of

americans who made an appointment for a first dose later seen that appointment canceled. in new york city, for example, first responder agencies are suspending new vaccinations because of supply concerns. both the nypd and fire department stopped giving first doses in an effort to ensure there are enough to cover second doses for those who already had a first shot. gabe gutierrez spoke with new york city mayor bill deblasio. >> how frustrating has this process been? >> gabe, it's painful is the worse i want to use. >> how soon before new york city runs out of vaccine? >> this week. >> reporter: mayor bill deblasio says 23,000 appointments have been rescheduled. >> the vaccine supply in america should have increased every single week. we found that we hit a wall quickly. >> so right now at least a dozen states are reporting vaccine supply shortages. in ohio republican governor mike dewine wrote to the biden administration pleading for more

vaccines as the state struggles with high hospitalization rates. in california, los angeles county officials say they have most of the resources like large vaccine centers and enough personnel to run them, but again, they lack the doses they need. and in florida, the state's surgeon general issued a new directive limiting vaccines to permanent and seasonal residents to cut down on so-called vaccine tourism. people flying in from around the country and from around the world to get vaccines in florida. sam stein, you've been reporting on this a little bit. a lot of that infrastructure state by state is in place. the doses are just not getting out quickly enough. >> yeah. this was the problem with the trump approach, which was essentially we'll get the vaccine produced, help expedite that process, get it shipped to the states and then it's up to you, which i guess in theory, if you're a federalist, that seems alluring. but in practice it created a

whole host of logistical problems and vaccine shortages now that states and localities are having to contend with. this is sort of indicative of, you know, the entire mess we're in right now. what biden announced yesterday was remarkable only because it was so simple and obvious. the steps that he was outlining i think we all agree could have and probably should have been done many, many months ago. and you have to look back and wonder where we would be now if we had taken those practical steps. he said it was bold and practical. in reality, it's not particularly bold. those are steps that scientists, logistical experts, epidemiologists all were saying needed to be done, needed to be done early. it just happens that he inherited it when they had knot not been done. if someone were to come to us and say later this month an incident will happen where

100,000 americans will die, i imagine that congress would expedite every possible response to deal with that and to thwart it and ward it off. that will happen in the next month. there are no prognostications where that does not happen. the issue is do we still have political urgency to try to prevent it? the fear you're seeing among people in the white house now, is that we're sort of exhausted in terms of our sense of political urgency. we've grown accustomed to the idea that we will have 80,000, 90,000, $100,000 deaths a month. if this were a one-off incident, it would be more alarming but it's become more of our daily routine. >> much more of our daily routine. the katty there was a sense of exhaustion setting into the uk but now with the new variant and

a new surge of cases, large parts of britain had to shut down and obviously the health care crisis still raging there. taking the economy down with it. >> yeah. i think what happened in the uk over the past month should really stand as a warning to people in this state about what could happen here if this new variant gets widespread. the uk is on total lockdown at the moment like we all were back in march. but my understanding is that it has not been enough, even that, now they had almost a month of total lockdown. even that has not been enough to bring the numbers down because this new variant that is here in the united states -- dr. fauci said it yesterday. in 20 states they know they have it. they're not testing for it as aggressively as the uk is. my assumption is that it's much more widespread in america than we know. even with the aggressive lockdown in place now in the uk since the beginning of january they're still not bringing the

numbers down in the way they would like to and in the way those lockdowns did last year. >> still ahead, a long way from heeding calls to resign, republican senators ted cruz and josh hawley push back against the ethics complained filed against them by senate democrats for helping to inshire the capitol insurrection. we'll get into that next on "morning joe." my nunormal: fewer asthma attacks. less oral steroids. taking my treatment at home. nucala is a once-monthly add-on injection for severe eosinophilic asthma. not for sudden breathing problems. allergic reactions can occur. get help right away for swelling of face, mouth, tongue, or trouble breathing. infections that can cause shingles have occurred. don't stop steroids unless told by your doctor. tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection. may cause headache, injection site reactions, back pain, and fatigue. ask your doctor about nucala at home. find your nunormal with nucala.

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violent capitol riot. yesterday hawley released a statement that called the complaint a flagrant abuse of the senate ethics process and an attempt to exact partisan revenge. >> that is so hilarious says the man who actually led an insurrection against the united states of america and tried to undermine the u.s. constitution. >> a spokesperson for ted cruz accused the democrats of playing political games by filing frivolous he ethics complaints. hawley and cruz both voted to reject electoral votes even after the violence at the capitol disrupted the counting process. not to like, you know, go into it and get angry all over again, but it's very hard to forget what happened at the capitol. it's very hard to separate ted cruz and josh hawley and president trump from what happened at the capitol. if there is anything that has

happened the past four years that needs to be reconciled it's what happened at the capitol. >> that's really -- they're the trifecta of insurrection, donald trump, josh hawley and ted cruz. those three -- >> and still being parroted on fox news in some ways. >> it is. there's some things said on fox news the past few days that are shocking. i'm flabbergasted that anybody running fox news would allow some of those statements to be said. seeming to inspire an insurrection against the united states. but we'll worry about our channel and let them worry about their channel. but my god, my god. it's unbelievable. but in this case, let's stay focused, willie, on these united states senators who committed

sedition against the united states of america but for the fact that they were -- you know, members of the united states senate and probably will have immunity against charges, they would probably be going to jail for 20 years for sedition, for encouraging sedition against the united states of america. but their words, there is no doubt, their words led to an insurrection against the united states of america along with donald trump. and it is hard for ted cruz to blame this on democrats when mitch mcconnell said the same thing on the senate floor a couple of days ago and other republicans have been saying the same thing. roy blount said the same thing on the senate floor earlier this week -- that their reckless language, that the reckless language used by president trump and other powerful people -- other powerful people being josh hawley and ted cruz, led to

those sedicious acts, led to an insurrection in america, led to assassination attempts against nancy pelosi and at least a conspiracy to assassinate the vice president, mike pence and the speaker of the house, nancy pelosi. these two were right in the middle of it. they know it. that's why three major newspapers in both their states are demanding they resign. it's why corporations don't want to give them a dollar. really, do you want to give money to benedict arnold? do you want to give money -- do you -- does your company, does your pac want to give money to the modern day equivalent of benedict arnold who inspired people to come trash the capitol, seek out mike pence to hang him, seek out nancy pelosi to shoot her and kill a capitol cop and injury other capitol cops?

>> yeah. one of the enduring images of that day is senator hawley walking in to the united states capitol, turning to that crowd that later would rush in and kill a police officer and seek mike pence, chant hang mike pence, looking for the speaker as well with his fists raised in power supporting what they were doing there in protests and eventually in their attack. let's not let them whitewash history or rewrite history either. they came back in after the attack, after the riot, after people had died and they made those speeches objecting to the results in pennsylvania. they knew what had happened, they just experienced what happened and proceeded with it. coming up, trump is out but the dangerous rhetoric and conspiracy theories continue. this time the claim that the biden administration wants to "exterminate the republicans." some thoughts on that next on "morning joe."

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was immediately sort of becoming the meme of the day? >> not at all. i was just sitting there trying to keep warm, trying to pay attention to what was going on. >> i appreciate that you're not a politician who uses memes, but you became one. do you -- does your staff show them to you? here you are with the sex in the city girls? >> i've seen them. i've seen them. >> gosh. senator bernie sanders discussing his instant rise to meme stardom. here's a few more, by the way. here he is added to the pattern of former first lady melania trump's dress. a new twist on the film "weekend at bernies" and baby yoda seen taking some mittens fashion advice from the senator. those were made, by the way, by we purposed sweaters in vermont. >> he was in that famous "ghost"

seen with demi moore shaping the pottery with his mittens. that was the best. i talked briefly before, i don't want to get into it because i don't want to give the attention they probably want. >> very much. yes. >> i will say fox news had someone i know, a former leader of the republican party, saying that democrats wanted -- i'm using his words here -- democrats wanted to "exterminate" -- "exterminate all republicans." let me say that again. they're getting people who are fox news contributors, who are saying that democrats, joe biden

and democrats want to "exterminate all republicans." you also have fox news hosts that are talking about how democrats are using troops to make american people sub missive. that they are not american troops, they are democratic troops that are just there to show that they are in complete power. this is sick, willie. it's especially sick and damaging, here we are a couple weeks after an insurrection against the united states of america. i understand that fox news is having trouble because newsmax is taking some of its viewers. some of the people think that fox news has not been harsh enough since the election. but we had mobs surging up to

the united states capitol a couple weeks ago. you have a former republican leader saying that all democrats want to "exterminate republicans." >> yeah. i mean -- >> that is pattonly -- patently un-american for him to say that. he's trying to gin up the base so he can make money on his mailing lists, so they can drive ratings up, and so he can inspire an insurrection against the united states as well. and for another host to be as anti-american as he is, attacking our men and women in uniform saying they're not americans, that they're democrats and they're there to make the american people submit to the democrats will, that is

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signed into law and will exempt general austin from being retired for five years before being confirmed. president biden's pick for transportation secretary, pete buttigieg sailed through his confirmation hearing yesterday winning praise from republican senators. >> mayor buttigieg has impressive credentials which demonstrate his intellect and commitment to serving our nation. >> pete and i have known one another for a number of years. he's a professional friend and colleague and someone for whom i have a great deal of respect. >> i look forward to your confirmation and appreciate again the conversations that we've had. >> thanks for your services as mayor and thanks for willingness

to serve. we had a good conversation yesterday. thanks for being as direct as you could. now to the actions president biden ordered yesterday on russia including an intelligence review of russia's role and the vast hack of u.s. federal agencies and companies last year and a request for an intelligence review of evidence that russia had placed bounties on american troops in afghanistan. biden also instructed his new director of national intelligence, avril haines, to provide an assessment on the kremlin's role in poisoning russian dissident and opposition leader alexei navalny who was jailed earlier this week after returning to russia from germany. biden's security adviser has called for navalny's release from prison.

katty kay is still with us and we also have julia yaffe. masha also joins us. by returning to russia he has shown the regime's utter ability to plan ahead. he has also shown contrary to the kremlin's assertions and to conventional wisdom among western russian watchers there is an alternative to putin. politically navalny was not a candidate who could have unified russia years ago. he has shown that the alternative to putin is courage, integrity and love. the name of russia's next leader is almost certainly navalny. masha, i guess i first ask how

confidently you say that. right now he is in custody. is he safe? what is next? >> he's certainly not safe. i think he's in grave danger. we know at this point that the kremlin tried to kill him. we know the kremlin has -- has done something that probably would have been afraid to do at any other point in history, which is jail him so obviously in retaliation for his work. no, i think he's in extreme danger. >> masha, it's willie, can you describe -- i'm not sure we fully captured in the coverage here the level of courage it took for mr. navalny to board that plane and come back to russia after knowing that once the russian government had tried to kill him, that there was a reasonable chance that they would try again. could you just talk a little bit about his decision to come back

and what it means to russia? >> navalny left russia in a coma after an attempt on his life. he had become sick on a plane from siberia to moscow. the plane made an emergency landing and it's almost a miracle that he survived. once he was airlifted to germany, which also took some doing, it became clear that he had -- that russia had tried to poison him with a nerve agent novichok, which is a chemical weapon. there was an extraordinary investigation where he basically found that eight people who had been trailing him for three years in and around russia and who made the attempt on his life. so not only did he survive this murder attempt, he also provided

the proof of his own attempted assassination and named the people and the ultimate organizer who he believes with very good reason is vladimir putin. after he declared his intention to return to russia, which he did once he started talking to the media in early october after five weeks in a coma, russia said that -- and once he said that he was going to fly to russia in january, russia immediately said they were going to jail him. now, with past enemies of vladimir putin, this kind of threat has worked. you know, nobody thig flies bac russia to go to prison, with one exception, the russian oil tycoon who spent ten years in prison. this was an incredible threat. navalny said i will not stay out, this is what they want. he went back to russia and was

arrested live on camera. it was the most incredible thing. there was a gaggle of journalists following him when he was trying to go through passport control. a group of policemen came and seized him. they transported him to a police station. the next morning he was tried or had a court hearing right at the police station. it was -- it was an incredible farcical spectacle. and transported to the -- to jail in moscow which also happens to be the jail where an accountant was tortured to death ten years ago. so we know that the threat against him was credible. we know they tried to kill him. we also know that people have died in russian jails. he is in grave danger and he knowingly took this risk. >> appreciate you laying it out that way. it's important to hear the full scope of what he's been through, where he's been to appreciate

the courage it took to come back. so, julia, what is his objective now in coming back? we know he wants to inspire some kind of political activism in russia, to be a thorn in the side of vladimir putin and his government. will it work in a country that has so effectively squashed dissent? >> well, despite the consistent and constant tightening of the screws against the opposition and any kind of -- removing any kind of potential rival to vladimir putin from the field, and serving several short stints in jail, despite the fact his younger brother was essentially held hostage in a russian prison camp for three and a half years, navalny managed to build a massive organization around himself. a media organization, basically a journalistic organization right after he was arrested it was kind of incredible it looked

like he was releasing his biggest corruption investigation to date which revealed the room by room plans, the cost of individual furniture pieces, these couches and chairs and night stands that cost tens of thousands of dollars belonging to vladimir putin and how this palace which cost over $100 billion according to navalny and his investigative team, how this money was stolen from the state budget, funneled through putin's old friends from the kgb and organized crime in st. peer petersburg, how it was funneled into this extraordinarily lavish kind of tackier version of versailles. actually similar to trump's taste. it's approaching 60 million views on youtube in the last three days.

he's calling for people to come out on the streets tomorrow. so far it seems people in over 60 cities across russia are doing that. he has managed to build a very wide organization. before him when people called for protests, he would get people out of moscow, but he gets people out of all 11 time zones, all kinds of people including young people. right before we went on the air i saw a news item that his vision, he's complaining that his vision is going in jail, so people are worried that there's been an attempt on his health and his life right now as we speak. >> president joe biden also plans to pursue a deal with russia on a nuclear arms treaty extension. the agreement known as the new

s.t.a.r.t. treaty expires on february 5th. russia's ambassador to the u.s. planned to meet with biden's national security adviser jake sullivan to discuss the move. katty kay, jump in. you can take the next question. >> it's a chilling thing seeing those pictures of navalny kissing his wife good-bye at the airport. these may be the last pictures of we see this incredibly brave leader in russia before disappearing to jail. masha, the incoming biden team with a tweet jake sullivan sent out made it clear this will be a different tone coming out of this administration. president biden has asked avril haines to include looking at navalny and what could be done in her briefing to him. what are america's options now when it comes -- they can jack up sanctions against russia, that doesn't seem to make much

impact. is there anything america can do in terms of navalny? i know the european union asked him to be released. could washington weigh in and could it have any impact? >> it's hard to imagine that at this point vladimir putin could be influenced from the outside. it is significant that the biden administration is the first u.s. administration since the soviet union collapsed where the incoming president has not made any overtures to russia, has not said one of his foreign poliies is to improve relationships with russia. biden made it clear that his priority is to get harder on russia which may not be effective but it's at least morally right. what's available to the biden administration is a list of selection of sanctions that kick in almost automatically if the united states concludes that indeed chemical weapon -- a

chemical weapon was used in an attempt on navalny's life. the u.s. introduced three sets of sanctions against russia after the poisonings in 2018 who were also poisoned with the same novichok novichok. the law actually requires the biden administration to choose if they conclude that it was a nerve agent, a chemical weapon to choose three sanctions against russia. and those sanctions can be much harsher. will they have an effect? probably not. should they be introduced? absolutely. >> masha gessen and joyya ioffe, thank you both. please come back as this is incredibly important. stay close and we appreciate you being on. in the u.s. someone dies

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between sundown and dusk let us shine the lights in the darkness along the sacred pool of reflection and remember all who we lost. those 400,000 fellow americans, moms, dads, husbands, wives, sons, daughters, friends, neighbors and co-workers, we will honor them by becoming the people and the nation we know we can and should be. so i ask you, let's say a silent prayer for those who've lost their lives and those left behind and for our country. amen. >> that's president biden during his inaugural address on wednesday leading a moment of silent prayer for the more than

400,000 americans who've died because of coronavirus. before that he was speaking at the vigil he led earlier in the week for those victims. in the united states someone dies of covid-19 every 26 seconds, a staggering death rate that has enveloped the country with profound grief. joining us is rabbi steve leader, the first synagogue established in the city of los angeles. he's also the author of the new book about handling grief titled "the beauty of what remains: how our greatest fear becomes our greatest gift." rabbi, good morning, it's great to have you with us in this national moment of grieving. we hadn't really had one until that event on tuesday night at the steps of the lincoln memorial when we stopped collectively to think about the more than 400,000 people have died. and i'm interested to hear your view of grief right now because we've had taken from us in addition to so many other things the rituals of grieving, saying

good-bye at a bedside in a hospital. that's now been replaced by face time calls with a loved one, funerals you can't assemble and remember the person who passed. so what are you telling the members of your congregation about grief in the age of coronavirus? >> well, i think that grief in the age of coronavirus doesn't really change the nature of grief but it intensifies it and i think the first important thing to remember about grief, despite what my generation and yours were taught about grief having stages, that grief is a non-linear thing. i say in the book that anyone who thinks the shortest distance between two points is a straight line doesn't understand grief. grief is much more like waves, and so we have to approach it to extend that metaphor as if a massive wave is coming at us and we really have two choices. which is to stand up against it, to hold our ground and say i am

stronger and more powerful than this wave. and we all know what happens then. we get thrown over and upside down and we're gasping for air and afraid. and the other choice, the better choice, is when you have this wave of grief coming at you, to lie down, let it wash over you, float with it. just float with it. until you can stand up again. and i think that what the president did for us in that speech was grant permission to acknowledge the grief we're feeling collectively as a country, to let it wash over us, to sit with us and float with it and then to know we're going to stand up again and lead more honorable and noble lives as a result of that pain. >> yeah, because so much of the last year has been about politics and the fight over what's being done and what's not being done to fight coronavirus that we haven't stopped

collectively as a nation to grieve until this week, quite frankly. and you've also spoken, rabbi, about different kinds of loss in this time, which is, you know, children missing some of the milestones in their lives at school, or dance class, or on a ball field. there's loss in our country. there's loss around the world. beyond the loss of life that we've seen. >> it's absolutely true. we've -- all of us have lost our freedom. we've all lost our sense of invulnerability. many of us have lost businesses, money, jobs, we've lost the right for our children to be in school which is really we all know where they belong and maybe worst of all we have lost just the fundamental, most beautiful thing about being human, which is touch. which is to hold and be held by the people we love. you know, i have an 87-year-old mother in minneapolis. i haven't hugged my mother in a year. we have all suffered loss, whether loss of a loved one's

life, or not, isn't really the question. we have to really make room for our loss and we have to grieve. and we have to also focus on something else, thing is extremely important. the thing about loss is it also strips away a lot of nonsense. and i don't know about you, but i have found this pandemic to have a very beautiful upside. not just a terrible downside, and i don't mean to dismiss the downside for a moment. i'm in the cemeteries every day of the week right now. but there is also a very beautiful upside. first of all, it has reminded us, i think, that no matter how many times we say i love you and no matter how many times we hold and are held by the people we love it's never enough, it's never enough. and i think we've all learned what we knew but sometimes forgot, which is that it's who, not what we have that matters. and sometimes that's easy to forget. but this pandemic has come as a very powerful reminder.

death comes as a very powerful reminder to cherish life and to cherish the beauty of what remains, no matter what's been stripped away. >> there's this grief that's not just being felt in the u.s. but around the world. catty kay, final question of the morning. >> rabbi, thank you for that, i think a lot of us needed to hear about that. can you also talk to me about loneliness, i think a lot of people are really lonely through this, and i wonder what you say to your congregants, like your mother who sant seen you for a year and are sitting by themselves. >> this is very much in line on focusing on the beauty of what remains, look at what's possible. there's a very powerful phrase which says the prisoner cannot free himself. the prisoner cannot free himself. when we feel isolated and alone we have to reach out. and when we reach out, yes we will be disappointed by those who do not reach back. but there will be many, many who will reach back to us and take our hand and help to lift us

from our loneliness and our suffering so it's very important. no one endures pain better alone. no one. so it's very important that we reach out to the people we love. hey, i need you, i need to hear from you, i need a call. i need a zoom. i need a face time. reach out. no one goes through things like we are all going through better alone. we go through them better together. and i think that was a big part of the president's message. >> yeah. the book is the beauty of what remains, how our greatest fear becomes our greatest gift. rabbi steve leder, thank you so much and, gosh, willie, as we close out the week, it's a lot of grieving and a lot of moving forward and repairing. but a return to truth. and a return to american values. and in light of everything we've gone through there's a lot of work to be done to bring all people together. >> absolutely. and what beautiful words by

rabbi leder that we can all take with us this weekend, the page turned from one president to another on wednesday. it didn't mean things changed, though, in this country, it means there's still a crisis in front of us in terms of public health, in terms of our economy and in terms of stitching this back together. this is a very difficult job that joe biden has inherited. and that does it for us this morning. thank you for being with us all week on this historic week. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. hey, steph. hi there, i'm stephanie ruhle, live in washington, d.c. it is friday, january 22nd, and this morning we finally have something we should have had months ago but didn't. a national plan to beat the coronavirus. the plan was introduced yesterday, exactly one year after the united states announced its first confirmed case. since then the numbers have exploded across this nation. nearly 25 mil