good day, everyone, from msnbc world headquarters here in new york city, welcome to "weekends with alex witt." here's what's happening 1:00 p.m. eastern, 10:00 a.m. pacific time, as president biden enters his first weekend into the white house, senate republicans are trying to delay the start of the second trial. but the articles for impeachment will go to the senate monday night and the trial begins february 9th. senate democrats will need 17 republicans to vote to convict trump. senator mahonio discussing the likelihood of that prospect on msnbc earlier. >> i don't know that we're going to get 17 but that doesn't mean we shouldn't proceed to hold this president accountable and that doesn't mean we shouldn't stop him from ever seeking

elected hospital again and that just takes a majority vote. >> in a delay of the trial not giving lawmakers two weeks to focus on other business like president biden's agenda. his call from unity is already facing several roadblocks as several key lawmakers are shooting down some of biden's ambitious plans. but he did get his choice for defense secretary as the senate overwhelmingly confirmed retired four-star lloyd austin with a 93-2 vote. the senate votes monday on janet yellen's nomination to be treasury secretary. as he faces impeachment trial, there's more news about trump's campaign election. msnbc confirmed a story first reported by "the new york times" that donald trump was plotting to fire his acting attorney general and replace him with someone willing to pressure georgia officials to overturn its election results. and while combating the coronavirus pandemic is now in a new administration's hands, former coronavirus response coordinator deborah birx is revealing what it was like responding to the crisis under

president trump. did you ever consider quitting? >> always. i mean, why would you want to put yourself through that every day? and when it became a point where i wasn't getting anywhere and that was like right before the election, i wrote a very detailed communication plan. what needed to happen the day after the election. >> it who knew at that point that the election was a factor in communication about the virus? >> yes. >> to go deeper into the day's headlines in washington with nbc's monica alba and mariana sotomayor from the capitol. with the biden administration hitting the ground running, they were working wednesday afternoon, into inaugural balls and the like. talk about the changes already in place. >> that's right, alex. it was deliberate from the first few hours, they wanted to have a

president biden out front signing many executive orders. there were about three dozen or so of those unilateral actions taken in the early days with about half of them aimed at undoing things from the trump-era policies. specifically the president now signed executive orders as it relates to the coronavirus pandemic, helping get economic relief. there were also things that have to do with immigration, ethics, the census. all of these crises confronting the nation. so they're trying to have targeted days that have themes trying to tackle certain issues but knowing fuly there's a bit of a difficulty because by doing these executive actions like president trump did when he was in office could be done similarly in the future. that's why they're also, of course, talking to bipartisan lawmakers about what can be dobb for their ambitious $1.9

trillion relief package, which many lawmakers have said is too steep of a price tag. president obama, though, spoke to the urgency why it's necessary and why he voted to get something together soon in a speech this week. take a listen. >> we have to act now. it's not just to meet the moral obligation to treat our fellow americans with the dignity and respect they deserve. this is an economic imperative. president trump's top former economic adviser, kevin haskins said, quote, he's absolutely in favor of this rescue plan. this almost doesn't have a partisan piece to it. we're seeing the support because this plan takes a step that we so urgently need. more than just a step, a number of steps. >> alex, in addition to all of that work domestically, the president now has his first calls with world leaders. he talked to canada's justin

trudeau on friday as well as mexico's manuel he lobe adore. so those were different when he first took office, not his first foreign leader calls. this was more the are return from donald trump. and it was more noted the conversation had with prime minister trudeau that they agreed to meet at some point next month. we don't have details yet on where that would take place as the white house signaled we shouldn't expect any foreign travel to come so it's possible maybe justin trudeau will come here or, of course, another virtual meeting, something world leaders had to do due to the raging pandemic, alex. >> monica, that was beautiful pronunciation of that president's name. i'm just saying. i appreciate that. thank you so much. with bipartisan agreement, donald trump's second impeachment trial is scheduled to begin tuesday, february 9th. less go to msnbc's marianne

sotomayor. let's get to some of the key issues he will deal with? >> yes, this will be the first time biden has to deal with impeachment but you shouldn't expect that and monday right away. nancy pelosi will transfer that article of impeachment to the senate, kicking off tuesday as the day members will be sworn in as members of the trial. but then it will another two weeks until we see that trial formally begin. you mentioned a bipartisan agreement and that has come between senate now minority leader mitch mcconnell and senate majority leader chuck schumer with senate arguing he wanted two weeks for the defendant to create his defense team and strengthen an article against impeachment.

democrats, on the other hand, now listening a little more to biden. because biden as you remember before he was sworn in, he said i don't really want to comment on impeachment. that is up to congress to decide what to do. but he did send a signal in the last couple of days saying he really hopes a number of his priorities get done before impeachment begins. schumer very much now signaling he's heard that message. take a listen to what he said yesterday on the senate floor when he announced the schedule and also outlined what democrats are going to prioritize in the next two weeks. >> during that period the senate will continue to do other business for the american people, such as cabinet nominations and the covid relief bill, which would provide relief for millions of americans who are suffering during this pandemic. >> so you heard those two priorities really making sure that biden at the end of these two weeks has his cabinet completely filled out as well as

this coronavirus and economic stimulus bill. we heard from republicans on capitol hill house and senate who are starting to object to the $1.9 trillion price tag but they are agreeing on the need to speed up vaccinations, opening up centers to be able to do that and also safely reopening schools, all of which are going to need funding. that's some of the priorities they're hoping to get done before that impeachment starts. of course, you recall impeachment can last almost up to a month. . really putting behind a number of priorities for the president. . >> yeah, that's true. thank you for all of that. i appreciate that, mariana. joining now is pennsylvania congresswoman madeleine dean, member of the house judiciary and financial services committee. she's also an impeachment manager in donald trump's upcoming senate trial. may i ask you to pick up quickly, as i say hello to you quickly, my friend, is it likely an impeachment trial would last a month? we know the first one did.

the first one didn't have as many elements to it that were so out there in the public. not as much to be revealed, right. do you think this would take a whole month? >> good afternoon. i'm pleased to be with you again, alex. i don't know about the timing. i'm aware, of course, we will be presenting the article of impeachment on monday. it looks very clear that the senate has chosen by way of agreement that i respect to hold the trial for two weeks in order to give the president's team more time to prepare. i will tell you the impeachment managers on our side will be fully prepared at whatever time the trial begins. i don't believe that the trial will take anywhere near what the last trial took, as you say the evidence is so abundant. many of us lived it,ing including the senators, and the evidence is just overwhelming.

>> and how much will that make a difference this time around, given the wealth of information out there to peruse through that it's public, it's been public out there for everybody to see, not just impeachment managers, not just senators that will be inside of the chamber that going through this, everybody who has seen and heard this, how much will that make a difference? >> i think it will make a great difference. very sad and tragic difference. what we're talking about in impeachment two for president trump is he incited a riot. he gathered a mob in order to have them come and attempt insurrection, attempt a coup to seek him in power. to overturn a free and fair election. that mob was unleashed on the capitol. they came in hoping to hang vice president pence, hunting down members of congress, hoping to assassinate speaker pelosi.

also hunting down members of the media whom he called the enemy of the people. this was as a result of 5 1/2 years of lies about this president and, of course, the last four, five months of the big lie, the lie that the election was somewhat fraudulent or stealen from him. he must be held accountable for what he did in the lead-up to it and what he failed to do after the insurrection. >> you're well aware there are some republicans pushing back against impeachment. less listen to senator lindsey graham. >> presidential impeachment has never occurred for a president not sitting and it's against the constitution. >> what is your response to that? >> sadly, senator lindsey graham lost all of his credibility and simply repeating a lie doesn't make it so. if he didn't learn that from

this failed presidency, i don't know when he will. it is most definitely constitutional. it's also by way of common sense. otherwise, if you say you can't impeach a president and disqualify him from future office, we are saying -- or i should say senator graham is saying that the president at the end of his term can go on a crime spree because they can't do anything about it. the constitution does not provide for that. lindsey graham knows that. he's just avoiding a very difficult vote for him and his conscience. >> if let's take a listen to what republican van taylor said earlier on. >> it's part of the constitution that protects free speech. it will be enormously difficult to prosecute him successfully in a district court for a crime of this speech. so the question is, was there criminal intent? >> have you seen anything, have

you heard anything that suggests donald trump's involvement in the riot went beyond his tweets and his public statements? >> i think the world witnessed what the world has done in terms of inciting this riot. let's be really clear here, what donald trump will be tried for in the senate is a presidential crime against the constitution. this is not like any other case. free speech, the claim of free speech here does not apply. just as there are limitations to free speech in the civil world and in the statutory world, i can't scream fire in a crowded movie theater, the president is in a wholly different place. what we see as a result of his fraud and his lies that incited a base and riot where five people wound up dead, free speech does not apply here. >> very key distinction you're making there. let's talk about "the new york times" reporting that trump

plotted to fire his acting attorney general, that being jeffrey rosen in the final days of his presidency and replace him with someone willing to pressure georgia officials to overturn its election results. that floated replacement, jeffrey clark, denied he devised any plan to oust rosen. what does all of this suggest about the lengths through which donald trump was willing to go to hold on to power? >> to your very point, to the depth and desperation that this president, this failed former president was willing to go. i mean, the only thing that stopped clark from proceeding with donald trump in getting rid of the acting attorney general was the threat of mass resignations. and that i think frightened in donald trump perhaps oh, my goodness, maybe i'm going too far, what it brought to him is a reality if there's a mass resignation in the department of justice, it would overshadow his

claim of fraud. so it's just further evidence of the depth and desperation and sadly of those who would help this failed president what he was trying to do. he was desperately trying to hold on to power by trying to throw out millions of citizens' votes. a despicable, low time in our country. that's why i feel a solemn duty as an impeachment manager to take this case to the senate and to ask them for all of history, will you indict, will you convict this president and disqualify him from ever holding office again? >> on another note, capitol police, as you know, are investigating a report that one of your colleagues, republican congressman andy harris, tried to take a gun on to the house floor thursday. does that concern you? why are the recently installed metal detectors, why are they so controversial for some republicans?

>> you know, as i read that story, i thought who are we to ask our children as they go into schools, many schools, to walk through magna tam ters? this is where we've gotten in this country. yet a lawmaker who was hunted down the day before is so prideful of, i don't know what, that he disrespects the capitol police who are only trying to keep us safe by trying to bring his gun to the floor. i have a right to be safe in my workplace, as do all of my colleagues. i also believe i have a responsibility to respect those who work here and want to keep us safe. i think it was shameful behavior. >> pennsylvania congresswoman madeleine dean, our friend. thuchd for joining us and do stay safe at work and otherwise. in just a moment, what dr. anthony fauci just told me about when life may start returning to normal in this country. and a programming note, michael cohen will be here tomorrow at this time talking about how donald trump is

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let's go now to the latest on the coronavirus pandemic. there are more than 24 million cases here in the u.s. after the country recorded its single highest day on friday adding 270,000 new cases. promising news from dr. anthony fauci the last hour. he told me things should start to feel more normal in the fall. >> it i believe that if we do get that 75% to 80% of the population vaccinated, with he would reach a degree of herd immunity to support strongly a degree of normality. i don't think we will be absolutely where we were prior to the pandemic but we can be doing many of the things we're hesitant to do right now. i would say some time by the fall. >> if some states say they're

almost out of covid vaccine doses. new york, california, florida, they're all among those that are canceling appointments because of a dwindling supply and they're asking the new administration for bigger shipments. right now more than 16 million americans have gotten at least one dose of the vaccine. 2 million received both shots. let's go to me colleague, nbc's kofi kauffman, who's at a vaccination site in queens, new york. welcome to you. where does the city stand on the vaccination rollout? >> yes, we got an update today from governor cuomo. basically they used up week five of their vaccination supply, which was just this past week, they used it all up. it is done. they say they're getting in a trickle-in of week six supply. so they have appointments but there are few and far between, alex, canceling some 23,000 appointments and having to postpone those. on top of that, we're also hearing the first group who qualified to get the vaccine, those first responders, that program has also had to be

halted. for example, fdny is having to halt a lot of their firefighters getting the vaccine and some vaccination sites are shutting down. the aqueduct racetrack behind me is still open and we talked to a lucky few able to get appointments. >> yes, i was looking forward to getting vaccinated and little extra peace of microscoped but it was difficult to get an appointment and getting a location that was close by. >> initially it was pretty difficult. what i have found out is that teachers were able to go, i tried right away. but a lot of the areas near me didn't offer it. i live in new york so i had to drive over an hour to get here today because there was nothing closer. >> over an hour to get that vaccine but, still, quite lucky to be one of the first to get it. governor cuomo today at his press conference described this as a week-by-week situation,

deploring the federal government to give more in proportion to the bigger states that had been more greatly affected like new york or california. to your point, something you mentioned earlier, alex. he also talked about the need to get these vaccines into poorer communities or public housing communities that are so much more affected by covid in general. in fact twice as likely to be affected by the pandemic. in addition to this, we're talking about some really sobering numbers, just the continue numbers number of cases in new york in general. the numbers are now, alex, and some 54 counties now have a positivity rate of more than 10% in new york. that is about a third of the state of new york now. >> that is not good. thank you very much. meantime breaking overnight, nationwide protest erupts in russia following the arrest of a government critic, tens of thousands there hitting the streets. let's go to matt wagner. i was watching you earlier.

there were literally thousands there at a standoff with police. what are things like there? >> things are calming down literally, alex but there are pockets of protesters moving around the city based on reports we are seeing. one is actually outside of the very that torres detention center. and we also saw other areas in the city center, people dispersed in the late afternoon from the primary meeting spot where we were earlier today, funneled down some of the other streets. at one point along one of mosquio's famous boulevards started resisting the cops by throwing snowballs at them. we did see one incident turn violent. there's reports one cop was injured. that's actually a very new development for the russian opposition. i think it's something to really

pay attention to. we have not really seen protesters fight back here in russia. this is something we saw early on in both ukraine several years ago and belarus recently. so i'm sure the authorities will be paying very close attention to that. i have to say when we were on the grounds, we did see several very rough arrests early on. unfortunately we had to move back as the crowds just grew astronomically throughout the day. but the arrests were not as wide scale in brutality as previous protests though the numbers were record setting, 2,000 nationwide and last i saw around 900 for that. and people we're talking to just on the streets, they all talk about the same thing, they all seem to take mr. navalny's message to heart, she's not afraid and they should be not afraid. the mood is good. it looked like this will be a prolonged campaign. already navalny's allies are

calling to do this next weekend. >> pretty extraordinary reporting there from moscow. should citizen trump get intelligence briefings now that he's out of office? a former homeland security official is joining me ahead and steve kornacki, as well, at the big board. board.

president biden entering office with two-thirds of the country giving hill high marks for how he handled the transition. steve kornacki is at the big board to see whether that could hold steady over the first 100 days. what do you think, steve? >> alex, with the biden presidency just a couple days old so we don't have any job approval numbers yet. the poll asked if they approve of the president's job performance but we have some numbers about joe bide. let me take you through what we know. first, there was the period between the election and last week, transition period when he was president-elect joe biden. here's a question asked on an

abc/"washington post" poll -- do you approve the way joe biden handled the transition? 67%, two-thirds said they approved how biden handled the transition period. obviously different than govern'ing but that's what we have numbers for. and we can put those numbers in some context because this is a question asked of every modern incoming president. how does biden stack up to the recent presidents and how their transition to office was viewed by the public. look at this, one thing that jumps out right away, donald trump, just four years ago when he was in that president-elect phase, only 40% of folks approved how trump handled the transition to the presidency. in some ways that foreshadowed what was to come. in some ways donald trump's approval rate egg was in the low 40 ranges for his presidency. so biden specifically above what trump clocked in with four years ago. and you see the biden number is a tick or two below the pre-trump norm, which was in the

'70s and '80s. typically that was the attitude as americans as the president wa about to take office. biden's getting close to that range. he's not quite in it. again, it's significantly above where trump was four years ago. from a public opinion standpoint, one thing we're asking is, is this presidency going to look different than the last one in the transition phase, it certainly has. when the presidency itself though, how about this, this is the honeymoon job approval rating for recent presidents. the honeymoon period, right. they first take office. there's all sorts of hope, all sorts of of optimism out there. generally speaking, they get pretty high approval ratings the first month of office. that's been the story in the past. jimmy carter, his first month of office was up 75%. by the end of his presidency, he was down in the 20s. george w. bush ended up in the 20s too. he was 67% his first month. in the past this was a honeymoon period but that was different four years ago.

when donald trump came in, this was his honeymoon number, high-water mark. in his first year in office, highest he got was 46%. his entire presidency, four years as donald trump as president, that number, approval rating, never got above 50%. he's the first president since 9 polling era began never to go above 50% in the job approval number. trump didn't really have the honeymoon every other president had gotten. we don't have the numbers from biden yet. in the next week or two, we'll start to get them. but let's look if biden gets the honey moon past presidents have or are we locked into some new polarization where you can't get the numbers up that high? looking at the numbers in the transition, biden was close to the range of his predecessors. let's see if that happens as well to what they used to call the honeymoon, a month from now. >> maybe we'll call it now the trump effect. thank you, my friend. with the biden administration under way, there are growing concerns about the

national security intelligence donald trump is still privy to as a private citizen. even trump's former director of national intelligence sue gordon is now sounding the alarm, pending an op-ed stating point-blank, senator president trump won't need to know. cut off his intelligence. elizabeth is joining me now. let's get into this. do you agree with sue gordon. do you think trump should no longer receive intelligence briefings? >> i do. i so rarely took them in office so it's understand to understand why he would need them now. but more than importantly, he's an absolute security risk. when "the new york times" story came out in october he had this significant debt and creditors all over the world, it raised so many alarm bells for intelligence professionals because in our written guidance about how to detect somebody

that might be a spy or might be at risk of having leverage over them, one of the key parameters is debt. if you have significant debt, you do not get a security clearance in this country. by significant, i'm talking hundreds of thousands, and in his case, tens of millions of dollars. so i'm very concerned that somebody with so much debt, certainly held the presidency, if there were any number of unexplainable actions towards certain nations that tend to be adversarial towards us and it certainly caused many to wonder if somebody has leverage over him but certainly after he is outside of office and i just don't see a reason for him to need to know, as gordon pointed out, and it's putting our country at great risk. he's already showed he's willing to plan a coup and insurrection.

he has authoritarian tendencies and massive amounts of debt. he cannot be trusted. >> i could almost say we could end the interview right there. but let me ask you this, what kind of intelligence does a former president get? you said the very same level of intelligence a current president gets. >> you know, i'm not a former member of the intelligence community member per se. i was always on the policy side of the house. i don't have direct insights there. from my understanding of how it works, it's not the presidential daily briefing. it's not the thing president biden sees or vice president sees on a daily basis. nevertheless, you can glean insights from lesser of derivative products and insights he does not need to have at some stage. >> part of the op-ed,ing gordon edwards writes -- the post-white house security profile, as the

professionals like to call it, is daunting. a former president trump, even before the events of january 6th, may be unusually vulnerable to bad actors with ill intent. he leaves, unlike his predecessors to embraced the muted responsibilities of being a former with a stated agenda to stay engaged in politics and policy. no departing president in the modern era hinted out or planned on becoming a political actor immediately after leaving office. what is your greatest fear, elizabeth, with trump potentially receiving these briefings, if he does? what is the worst-case scenario for you? >> it's hard. i don't even want to go there. there are so many. look, when you're the president of the united states, you have access to some of the most sensitive things. and in particular what i worry about the most would be things that put people's lives at risk. sources we have placed overseas, our military men and women that might be vulnerable if certain

information was disclosed about where they are or what they're doing or what their intent is. and a lot of our investments in technology and weaponry, all of that is highly classified so we can try to maintain a competitive edge over our adversaries. if you give away certain insights, that helps our adversaries keep up, if you will, and that means we have to keep forthing ahead to try to take back that advantage. if you're looking at russia or china or iran, they're also looking to have some sort of competitive edge, understanding of intent and capabilities of the united states. and all of that is in donald trump's head right now. i think our only saving grace is what i started with, he was not known to take too many intelligence briefings. he also had a she difficult time paying attention. i recall in 2017 when we were

putting together some briefs and trying to help my cabinet secretary go into brief him on some things and you kept being told, you don't understand, you can't use a full sentence. no, you need to get it dune to a fragment. one slide only because we'll lose him. i think the thing we'll have going for us is he dchblt didn't pay attention. he didn't seem to care that much. so i doubt he's going to have the recall of a lot of those more grave secrets. the other thing that i will give the men and women and cabinet, especially in those early years credit for, they were sir couple can you expect about what they shared with the president. they recognized he didn't have a filter. he demonstrated multiple times on calls with foreign nations he would share things he was not supposed to share. so they learned over time to be careful what they told him and not tell him too many details in

case he accidently slipped. i feel somewhat comfortable that we're not in dire danger but he certainly needs clearances removed because now he's at a place to figure out how to make money, to pay off that debt, and that would be very lucrative to certain members overseas and we've already seen this man doesn't care about our security. he cares about himself and his conquests. >> i have to say, when you made that last statement, i just got chills at that prospect. you thank you very much. coming up next -- a domestic terrorism law being proposed after the capitol hill riot. new pushback and where it's coming from my surprise you. you. once we get there, we will need... buttercup! ♪ good morning, mr. sun. good morning, blair. [ chuckles ] whoo. i'm gonna grow big and strong.

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civil rights groups are mounting opposition to domestic terrorism laws. white ensue recollection has led to calls for new laws for hate groups but 135 civil rights groups written to members of congress saying expanding terrorism-related legal authority is a bad idea. one that will ultimately affect communities of color. joining me now derrick johnson, president and ceo of the naacp, in fact one of the signatories on this. derrick, welcome, always good to have a conversation with you in here. explain how you think new domestic terrorism laws could eventually backfire. >> we have to balance between what we've seen on january 6th with white nationalists and

domestic terrorists and aggressively pursuing those groups while at the exact same time making sure that the very laws we're advocating for is not turned against african-americans and muslim and other communities of color. we've had a history in this country of addressing problems that reverses individuals who have been victimized and making them the congressmans. we want to make sure we don't criminal size individuals who are actual guilty of these activities. >> definitely so. some guests have said legally they can't go after groups until crimes are already committed. do you agree with that? what path should they be taking? >> absolutely they can go through these individuals. the fbi to be similar released a warning around black extremist groups when there has been no activity by groups who have

opposed a true danger. it was carried out by a month for the fbi targeting african-american americans. you had different agencies attacking african-americans unfairly. but when it comes to white creamist groups, domestic terrorists, somehow we find ourselves unable to address those groups and find that apolling to say the least. >> pointing that out, that is appalling to hear. you have nine members of congress in leadership with a similar ask. they christed previous examples like the house on american activities, is fbi's co-intel pro, and the patriot act. and fbi's operation iron fist that responded to black lives matter. that is not a well-known organization, the last one. can you tell us about that? is that among that you were just referencing? >> absolutely. all of these are examples of the federal government responding to

african-americans for having outcry and in some every one of these cases peaceful protests around conditions that were both unjust and in some cases illegal. and the federal government will respond by targeting the very communities that were saying these its justices should not take place. what we're calling for is this country to ensure that the domestic terrorism we see on january 6th, the white supremacist activities we see january 6th, the activities after americans know after 1930 or 1921, that it will be addressed. we cannot all of a sudden get a legalized view on what can and cannot happen where there happens to be individuals that are a threat to our national security. homeland security was created to secure the homeland, and these groups are threatening our democracy. there are tools there. we don't need to invert the problem by making the victims the problem, which we have seen

in the history of this country. >> you are well aware the president committed to fighting whie supremacy in his inauguration speed wednesday. listen to one thing he said and one senator's reaction. >> a cry for survival comes from the planet itself, a cry that cannot be any more desperate and any more clear and now a rise of political extremism, white supremacy, domestic terrorism, that we must confront, and we will defeat! >> if you read his speech and listen to it carefully, much of it is thirnly veiled calling us white supremacist, are calling us racists, calling us every name in the book. the. >> do you want to comment on that? >> i'm glat in his inaugural speech he recognized the three national securities. i'm not described a senator who subscribes to a particular proposition would see that as a threat.

our democracy was under attack on january 6th. the world leaders witnessed what we have gone abroad to fight for, the peaceful transfer of power. we cannot make this a partisan issue. we need to recognize it is for what it is. white supremacy is a direct threat to our democracy and we have to address it for that. this is not about identified behaviors and having stood up and say we don't care about the democracy if it's not something we don't want, therefore we're willing to tear it up. we have to address this problem and it's been a systemic problem in this country for decades. >> which means, unfortunately, we have to have you back to address it yet again, probably many times on this broadcast, my friend. thank you, derrick. for citizen trump in florida, that's coming your way

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call 1-800-t-mobile or go to t-mobile.com/55. citizen donald trump is back at his mar-a-lago resort in south florida, but my next guest says he's getting a less than warm welcome from neighbors. joining me now, lawrence lemur, historian and author, he wrote the book, "mar-a-lago: inside the gates of power inside the president's presidential palace." i know that you live actually in this neck of the woods and you have witnessed the big return. >> i'm here right now. >> there you are. >> so what happened there and what's happened since wednesday. are supporters camping out outside his property there? are they lining the streets? what's it look like? >> no, what's fascinating. i've talked to a bunch of people the last couple of days. a lot of people have quit mar-a-lago. they don't want their names to be in "the washington post" or "the new york times," and the list of people that have quit, they've silently walked out.

they deviant anything to do with donald trump. and many of the members, they're not going there very often, because it's a very dispirited place. they're not concerned about politics. it's a sad place for trump to be hanging out. it's not what it was. >> does that mean that trump won't also get the money that he gets for those private club memberships? that's going to dwindle at well? >> you know, these people paid up to $200,000 to get in because he was president. i don't think they're going to pay there anymore. it's just another measure of how his power has declined and even in palm beach, where many people were forhim, simply because they wanted lower taxes and they wanted a booming stock market. but they're walking away from him. even here, people don't like him. >> i'm curious, we have commercial planes that are flying over mar-a-lago again, no more road closures. how do you think donald trump will handle the end of all the special treatment he's gotten the last four years. do you expect some time, some

type, rather, of withdrawal? do you have any knowledge about his mood? >> you know, one of his few close friends that's left, chris ruddy, head of news max, and chris ruddy opposed -- chris ruddy said he could not be president because he was a sick man, emotionally disturbed. then ruddy said he could take financial advantage by being close to him. but he is a disturbed person. and anybody, with all the exhilaration and pressures of being president would have a letdown, and he'll have it to the nth degree. he has nowhere to go. east isolated. this has his alba. >> can you confirm only about 43% of west palm beach voted for him? is that true? because it has been suspected that, you know, the large preponderance of residents there were supporters of donald trump. >> west palm beach is a democratic town, basically.

our congresswoman is democratic and, you know, in palm beach, it was kind of fairly split. but believe me, not anymore. i was walking down the street on wednesday and this television crew came up and said they wanted to do something about spanish. they wanted to do something about feeling in america. and i started doing my rant negative about trump, and people on the streets stopped. they stopped and they formed a crowd and they started cheering and applauding and clapping. a shopkeeper came out and clapped. believe me, that wouldn't have happened two weeks ago. it's a different america and it's a different palm beach. >> there were reports that he and melania were house hunting in palm beach, as near as they could be to mar-a-lago, because of that rule about the private club, having been established as a private club, that being mar-a-lago, that he could not live there full-time. somebody i know who lives down there in the community said that that was not a welcome prospect

by the neighbors. they would prefer that he stays at mar-a-lago. do you know if that rule is going to be overthrown? overturned in any way and allow him to stay there full-time? >> is there any law that trump has obeyed? i mean, he was violating this for 20 years. and his lawyers will just say, that's the pattern, how can you deny him now to live here? and even if they would, he owns two houses right outside the gates of mar-a-lago. he could stay there. so that's not going to happen. >> okay. lawrence lemur, i bet you what will happen is we'll have you back again. thank you so much. good to talk to you. >> thank you. what you may have missed from my interview with dr. anthony fauci in our next hour. . anthony fauci in our next hour urgh! (rocket ship) hey! hey! heads up. thank you! water tastes like, water. so we fixed it. mio ♪ oh, oh, oh, ozempic®! ♪ (announcer) once-weekly ozempic® is helping

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