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it is sunday, january 24. i'm ali velshi. it has been one year and five days since the first confirmed case of covid-19 in the united states. it took nine months to reach 10 million total cases and just seven weeks to add another 10 million. and now another milestone. 25 million total cases of covid-19 in the united states. more than 418,000 americans have now you died. and the number of daily covid-19 cases, deaths, continue to rise at record rates. the week before the election, less than three months ago, roughly 1,000 americans were dying per day. this past week the country reported several straight days with more than 4,000 covid-19 deaths each day. the new cdc director dr. walensky says to expect 100,000 more american deaths by as early
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as mid-february. the cdc has already warned that the new and more contagious covid-19 variant will likely cause another major surge by march. president biden has unveiled what i calls a full scale wartime effort to combat and defeat the disease. and he is not afraid to tell the american people the truth about what we're inagainst. >> in the next few months, masks, not vaccinations, are the single best defense that we have against covid-19. medical experts say that by wearing masks from now until april, we will save more than 50,000 lives. i'll always level with you. i promise you. and the brutal truth is that things will get worse the next several months before they get better. we didn't get into this mess overnight, it will take time for us to turn things around.
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but we also have to act now, now, with urgency and unity as the united states of america. >> meanwhile the failed former president has spoken publicly for the first time since fleeing to florida telling the washington examiner reporter who was somehow able to approach the disgraced former president while he was having lunch at what is apparently his regular table in the grill room of his private golf resort, he said, quote, we'll do something. but not just yet. end quote. which fondly recalls the vagaries with which he often spoke to convey absolutely nothing. however it appears that not just yet may arrive sooner than later for the failed former president because in roughly 24 hours, the house of representatives will deliver the article of impeachment for incitement of insurrection against him to the senate. the trial in the senate which is expected to be relatively shorts is scheduled to begin exactly two weeks later, february 8. it comes amid two major report,
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one revealing new insight into the failed former president's future, apparently the famed pillow guy is set to pick up that torch. and the other new revealing details as he tried to destroy american democracy. nbc news has confirmed the "new york times" reporting which details which appears to an new coup at the justice department during the failed former president's desperate final push to have the election results overturned in his favor specifically in georgia. earlier this month, the former president almost replaced the acting attorney general jeffrey rosen with a random doj lawyer named jeffrey clark. who was willing to not only advance baseless claims of widespread voter fraud, but wanted to use the power of america's justice department to intimidate and pressure georgia officials to bend to his wishes. this is in addition to the
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multiple calls that the failed former president made to georgia officials demanding that they change the results of the election, including the hour long phone call in which he demanded that the georgia secretary of state commit voter fraud and magically find 11,780 votes in his favor. the "new york times" adds that the failed former president couldn't understand why the justice department wasn't fighting harder for him and he had not fight evidence to support the ridiculous conspiracy theories that he and his bumbling team of personal attorneys had put forth. the "wall street journal" adds that he even demanded that the justice department ask the u.s. supreme court to invalidate the election for no other reason than that he is delusional, insecure and lost. the senate's new majority leader democrat chuck schumer has responded to the newunconsciona. the justice department inspector general must launch an
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investigation into this attempted sedition now and the senate will move forward with trump impeachment trial. joining me now is one of the nine house managers for donald trump's second impeachment trial, democratic congressman ted lieu of california. he is a member of the house judiciary and foreign affairs committees. thank you for joining us this morning. you are ready now for your cares. -- case. and i understand that you have been ready for this to go to the senate. does it new foreplay into it? maybe it is not part of the fomenting and insurrection, but it is remarkable that donald trump was working on several fronts not the least of which was inciting a mob, but he was really, really, really trying to get this election overturned. >> thank you, ali, for your question. we're ready to go now. we'll be ready to go the week of february 8. we didn't disclose our strategy publicly, but i note that the article of impeachment does reference trump's phone call
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with the georgia secretary of state where he asked him to find 11,780 votes. and the new articles are certainly highly disturbing. this show the became increasingly desperate. and january 6 was his last option basically to stop congress from formalizing his defeat. and we all saw what happened january 6. >> and there is a question among some about whether this impeachment affects unity and whether the constitution even priors for impeaching someone who has left office. but fundamentally, it comes down to a matter of right orspecific breaking the law. how do you get that message through to the republican senators? >> so look, i would much rather not be prosecuting this trial in the u.s. senate. i'd rather be working on bills
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helping the american people. i'd rather be working on healing our nation. but we can't just ignore what happened on january 6. this was a violent attack on our nation's capitol, incited by the former president, resulting in multiple deaths. you had members. mob try to assassinate nancy pelosi, try to as sat nature assassinate alexandria ocasio-cortez, try to hang mike pence. we need to have a conviction to show that future presidents can never ever try to do this again after they have lost an election. >> you told the a.p. friday i believe that number of republican senators will realize that they need to have a separation from the former president because of the insurrection. do you believe that to be true? i think 17 would have to come over and support democrats in this. >> that's correct. we have the goal of getting 100 senators and we do need 67 to convict. i'm very pleased in the house
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that we had the highest bipartisan vote ever for impeachment and we expect to get republican senators to convict and we'll present a very good case. and at the end of the day, you can't ignore that our former commander in chief incited an attack on our own country. >> so there is a message to be sent, sanction to be imposed possibly on donald trump. but one of the other points you've made is that you as members of congress and senate did have a responsibility here that is outlined in the constitution about actions that you are supposed to take when there are things like insurrections, when people actually do undertake sedition. >> absolutely. so we also have to send a message to other countries and to future generations that if someone is going to incite a mob to attack the nation's capitol, and that person is the former
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president of the united states, we can't just write press releases as a response. we have to take the strongest swiftest action possible, that is impeachment followed by conviction. people died in this attack. we can't just wish it didn't happen. it happened. and it will be one of the most traumatic experiences in our nation's history. >> ted lieu, thank you for joining us. congressman lieu is impeachment manager in the 2021 senate trial begins donald trump. those articles of impeachment will go to the senate tomorrow. the trial will begin february 8. thank you for joining us, sir. joining me now is heidi przybyla. president biden has his hands full with issues of great heft. i'm curious the scuttlebutt about how much the impeachment enhances or distracts from joe biden's agenda. >> right now they have been
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given this two week grace period during which we'll see more cabinet confirmations, more executive orders from the perspective of both sides i think this deal was cut between the senate minority and majority leaders to try to get that regular business done that is seen during any administration, incoming administration. so this week we'll see exactly that, more executive orders. we saw a slew last week. this week expect more for instance on covid, on reopening schools. there is a full roster of cabinet nominees who will be confirmed this week including treasury secretary janet yellen, as well as others potentially like pete buttigieg, transportation secretary. but the big question here in these halls is how is a 50/50 senate going to operate in this new administration. and that is the answer that we do not have as we deliberate over the huge covid spending
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deal. right now the new senate majority leader chuck schumer is very much keeping in his back poblowing up the filibuster. mitch mcconnell wanted a deal too protect the filibuster and chuck assume her said no, i'm keeping this as my back pocket option. and many democrats are saying we either go big or go home. we learned from the last administration in 2008, from the last democratic administration, that when we didn't don't put a infusion into the economy, when we're on our knee in the terms of the economic pain people are suffering, that it is not enough. skinny versions of economic stimulus are not enough. so that is why it is notable that some of the very people who advocated for compromise with
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republicans are now saying, lea. we'll get blamed in the 2022 midterms if we didn't save this economy and if we go small, we'll just keep falling further down the hole and it will writer -- require more to get us out of it. so it will be a test to see fts republicans are willing to go bigger. . >> heidi, thank you. and joining me now, president 1458 historian michael beschloss. people are making the argument that what he did, what donald trump did, in-sur rektsing -- or inciting that mob towards insurrection wasn't really that. but now you have all of this context. and as an historian, i'm curious
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as to your take on it. we have the calls to the georgia state officials, visits to the white house, attempts in pennsylvania. and now reporting about an actual official at the department of justice who was prepared to lead this effort to have the justice department lead the overturning of the election. all of this taken together may or may not be relevant to the senators who are voting on impeachment, but they are relevant to history and what donald trump has been up to. >> i agree. jefferson davis incited an insurrection against the united states and it caused a civil war. after the civil war was over, did we treat jefferson davis as some honored citizen of the united states? no. he was in disgrace and he was punished. that is going to happen to donald trump if there is any justice assuming that we find the evidence that we're talking
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about. this is a president who did something that no president has done before. and just about the worst thing a president can possible do, which is he tried to take away our democracy and we're finding out more and more evidence of not only how he tried to abuse presidential power to do that, but i would speculate that he had a lot closer relationships with some of the people who planned this insurrection and this attack on the capitol. had it succeeded, you could have had satisfies nations of the vice president speak, you could have had hostage taking. we would be in a terrible crisis. we might today be living in a dictatorship. >> and there are various people with whom the president tried to conspire, some who were on his side and voted for him who said we can't get involved in this stuff, including some of the legislatures in michigan and of course some of the officials in georgia. the department of justice
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official, it is alarming that he decided to get involved. but we do have a few members of the senate namely josh hawley and ted cruz who were at the front of this issue. and several other members of the house and senators who were involved in the beginning and haven't delivered a full statement over it. >> and that is why there are further investigations. we have to say this can never ever happen again especially a member of congress along with the president trying to take our democracy away? josh hawley and ted cruz went to the finest law schools in the united states. is anyone trying to tell me that they did not know exactly what they were doing? josh hawley sits in the u.s. senate seat from missouri that was held by harry truman. for the congress to do nothing and say, you know, this is all over and let's everyone be friends again, i think that that would suggest to people in the
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future that this was not as serious as it really was and our democracy did not have this near death experience. >> maybe there will come a day where we can use historians like you for history stuff and i want to ask you quickly about the changes that were made in the white house specifically in the oval office, the portrait of andrew jackson was taken down. benjamin franklin has replaced him. and there is an addition of a bust right behind the president of cesar chavez, the agricultural labor leader. what do you make of that the symbolism of it? >> i love the changes that president biden has made. it is like ancient rome where in the house you would put up busts of the people you admire as an example to the guests who come in. and that is exactly what it is in the oval office. benjamin franklin who represents the fact that we now thank god have a president who has great judgment and respect for science.
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cesar chavez, that bust right behind president biden, wonderful labor organizer, early fighter for latino rights in california and through the united states. we're living in a new age and the oval office shows it. >> michael, good to see you as always. thank you for joining us. michael beschloss, presidential historian. and the pandemic is devastating communities across the country, but communities of color especially hard. we have known this fact from the beginning. but when dallas tried to prioritize vaccines for its most vulnerable residents, it was shut down. coming up next i'll speak to one of the commissioners who supported that prioritization. o. they know exactly which parking lots have the strongest signal. i just don't have the bandwidth for more business.
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almost a year into this pandemic and americans of color are still being hit the hardest. this week we're again learning it is not just how the virus affects these communities, it is the disparities in vaccine distribution as well. let's start with texas. right now there are more than 2.2 million confirmed cases of coronavirus in that state and more than 34,000 deaths. almost 35,000 now. black and latino residents account for 51% of texas's population, but according to and an analysis by the covid tracking project, they make up
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6% of the cases and 59% of the deaths. and so county commissioners created a plan to prioritize vaccines for vulnerable residents. but on thursday, that plan was forced to shut down after the state threatened to cut the count see vaccine supply. the areas that were being prioritized have had the highest increase in new cases over the past two weeks. communities in certain dallas areas are at high risk because they have few health care providers and vaccine distribution sites are mostly located in white neighborhoods. so the plan to prioritize at risk communities was to correct a problem. one dallas commissioner who voted for the plan to advant disadvantaged communities believes that the intent of the
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plan was mischaracterized. dr. daniel is joining us. what do you believe was being mischaracter mischaracterized. >> good morning. the spent was to focus in and delineate exactly where the target, where the more vulnerable populations were. and this is partially too the distribution which is scattered throughout the county, but also getting the word out and getting people registered. because it is on an appointment basis. therefore we have to register the people. but if you don't have a computer, if you don't have a smartphone, you are dependent on other forms or information about the vaccine, first of all, should i do it, and second of
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all, if i want to get vaccinated, how do i do it. >> and so you had voted to rescind -- to not go ahead with the plan pending a new meeting in which you would recharacterize it. did that meeting happen and what does the new plan say that the old plan didn't? >> the meeting itself did not happen because there was a lot of discussion beforehand. recognizing that first the top priority is get the vaccines to the people who need them, to all of us. so that when the threat was made to cut off the vaccines, you have to figure out now what can we do to not have that happen, first of all, but then to within it, to find an equitable way of distributing the vaccines. so there been a lot of discussion on exactly how that
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would be. the terms included in our directions still include vulnerable populations. so you have to think about how do identify that. and basically if you have addresses of people, then chances are better that you will be using zip codes. the point of it being that -- >> what was -- >> -- that you can't exclude -- >> one thing that we've discussed across this country and in texas in particular, we always knew that there would be disparities, we knew that communities of color wouldn't get the testing as easily and certainly wouldn't get the vaccine. and we all kind of agreed that that doesn't feel right and we should do something about it, but you in district one in dallas, you actually see what the disparities are. they are very basic. you mentioned getting the communication out there, the idea that people have to
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register, overcoming the fear that exists in some communities of color of vaccination. and one basic one that was reported on is just public transportation. fewer sites for testing and vaccine. and fewer ways to get to them with a lot of people who don't have cars. which in a place like texas it is a big deal. here in new york, we don't have cars, it is fine. but in dallas not having a car is a very big deal. >> very good point. right now i'm working on three different locations in my district to get out and educate and register people. and then with that, they have a better idea of how we can -- whether it is mobile units, whether it is using more pharmacies, but figuring out that way of then distributing closer to people's homes, recognizing the transportation problems. >> dr. daniel, we'll follow up with you to see how this all
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goes. county commissioner for district one. and the republicans can still cause plenty of headaches when it comes to passing legislation. coming up next, i'll explain an archaic but important rule that could stop democrats in their tracks. but first, a touching moment from the inauguration that would have gone unseen if it were not for a local reporter in delaware. as the country watched joe biden get sworn in as the 46th president of the united states, patricia telerico decided to pass by the gravesite of beau biden who had died of brain cancer at the age of 46 in 2015. to her surprise, beau was not alone. she writes i saw a lone person in a blue uniform kneeling at beau's grave. no one else was around. on this cold windy afternoon except for a few people doing outside work at the cemetery. in my car, i had the radio tuned to cnn. joe biden was being sworn in as
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president and about to begin his address. the person in the uniform bowed their head and clasped their hands. the image brought tears to my eyes. i couldn't bring myself to interrupt the moment so i took photos from a distance. i listened to the end of biden's speech and drove back to see ifs person was still there. the person was. the person was still kneeling. still had their head bowed. the identity of the person is still unknown, but his silent vigil has not gone unnoticed. (rocket ship) hey! hey! heads up. thank you! water tastes like, water. so we fixed it. mio did you know you can go to libertymutual.com to customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need? really? i didn't-- aah! ok. i'm on vibrate. aaah! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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has been a lot of rhetoric about the new era. democrats control both the house and the senate, but if you think that is an easy path forward for the biden agenda, let's me introduce you to the filibuster rule. created by a clerical error
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introduced by aaron burr, to allows a minority of senators to block an up or down vote on almost any piece of legislation even if it has majority support. they can stop it from even coming to a vote. the modern day version holds that you can only break a filibuster and lifts the hold on a vote, by the way it only takes one senator to put ahold on a vote, you can only lift that hold three-fifths supermajority. and mitch mcconnell used the fill bus iter ter when the democrats held the majority during the obama era. what was once a rarely used tool became the norm, a de facto rule. you needed 60 votes to pass almost also worth noting that was used by segregationists to
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block legislation that would have passed years before it did if not for the filibuster. and that racist legacy is what led former obama speechwriter david litt to call it a monument to white supremacist and the former president himself called for elimination of the filibuster at the funeral of john lewis last year. our own hayes brown makes the case, the senate filibuster must die. he warns that biden and democrats have at most two years until republican obstructionism rises up against them. and if they want to get thinking done in those two years, the filibuster must go. i'm joined now by hayes brown. and hayes, good to see you. joe biden knows better than most the danger of the fiibuster because he was part of obama
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administration when so many things couldn't get done. so you are a really talking the filibuster is one of the main tools. >> yeah, absolutely. and even though biden knows that, he still because of who he is and because of his rhetoric, he wants to try to get a bipartisan deal with the senate on the coronavirus relief package when a lot of democrats are saying no, just use the rules we have in place, pass it via budget reconciliation and let's go. but biden wants a deal with the republicans and mcconnell doesn't want to give up the greatest tool he has in his tool box right now which is the filibuster, which is if someone in his caucus says no, i don't want this bill to pass, it doesn't pass. and that is because the senate is really weird and interesting in that it has this tradition of unlimited debate. the theory when they wrote the rule was if we're not the done debating on this, we don't have to vote on it, just keep talking
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about it and make sure that even knows what the positions are on this bill before we vote on it. and that evolved into the felt filibuster which has to go if the democrats want to pass anything over the next two years. >> and something you wrote in your column the other day, understand the gridlock that the senate has imposed on washington hasn't given more power to moderates, it has inflamed the partisans who demand victory be it total or peric. >> the idea that the filibuster encourages bipartisan, to get together and work out deals like senator manchin implied to the new york times in november, that is not something that we really see these days. instead what we see is the 60 vote threshold being used to hold up bills. and not just be fine especially for the gop minority during the obama years, but we've seen over and over and over again at this
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point. you don't get to 60 vote, you just let the bill die. and that is how the filibuster works right now. >> i want to put some specific meat on these bones. here is what president biden said about the ffilibuster. >> let's honor john by revitalizing the law that he was willing to die for. once we pass the john lewis voting rights act, we should keep marching. and if all this takes eliminating the filibuster, another jim crow relic, in order to secure the god given rights of every american, that is what we should do. >> so for people who think of the filibuster of ted cruz reading green eggs and ham for several days, that is the out ward manifestation of it, but it is actually something that prevents things from being voted on even if they would pass.
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how does it apply to the voting rights act? >> the voting rights act is really interesting. supreme court basically g. gutted it saying that it is outdated, congress needs to update the rules. but it never happened because of the filibuster. and so the democrats one of their first bills for this term is a bill to among other things revamp the voting rights act and are shore up democracy especially after this last disastrous post election period. the problem is they can't get anything done in the senate right now because mitch mcconnell who is now minority leader is holding everything up. can't even pass the organizing resolution which says here is who is in charge of which committees because mcconnell wants to make sure that the legislative filibuster, the one part that has not been nuked yet, it has been nuked on supreme court judges, on regular old judges, there is nothing that you can really filibuster on the floor anymore except for
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legislation and resolutions likes one needed to set up the democratic control of the senate. so everything is in limbo right now. and ironically enough, it means that this bill which would shore up democracy would put the voting rights act back in place is being filibustered to protect the filibuster down the line. and if that doesn't convince you that this is a rule that just has to go, i'm not sure what will at this point. >> good to see you as always. thank you for joining us. hayes brown writer and editor of the msnbc daily newsletter. thousands were arrested across russia yesterday during nationwide protests, we brought you that live, demanding release of navalny. a live update next. and tomorrow i'll host a virtual panel discussion to alzheimer's for the world economic forum, i'll be joined by experts looking to tackle this global health crisis that has a devastating impact on families
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have taken to the streets and towns across russia this weekend from west to east. protestors ignoring not only the threat of arrest, but the extreme cold to demand the
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release of opposition leader alexei navalny. he was arrested after returning from russia to germany where he was being treated after being poisoned by a nerve agent. more than 2500 people have been declined by vladimir putin's police for participating in the demonstrations with officers seen using a good amount of force to disperse the rallies. joining me live from moscow is foreign correspondent matt wagner. you and i were talking yesterday morning at this time and it was estimated that about 40,000 people amassed. tell me what is happening. >> reporter: so a bit of a hoodie atmosphere here in moscow today as both sides kind of take stock of what happened yesterday, analyze the flurry of social media videos that have come out overnight, kind of giving a more complete picture of what we saw yesterday. and really it is all about the narrative at this point. you have the russian opposition on one side essentially claiming victory, making the statement
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that they were hoping to make, that there is a significant amount of support for alexei navalny. and then meanwhile you have a lot of silence from the kremlin on this. in the state media as well. generally they are kind of trying to ignore it, but we have seen a few claims. one last night, i was watching state tv, and they said just 4,000 people came out in moscow. and this is obviously not true to anyone who was in central moscow yesterday. there were people as far as the eye could see. cars driving down the main streets of moscow blasting this one very classic soviet rock protest song which is kind of like the sound track of the fall of the soviet union. it was hard to miss. and even if you just saw a photo online, there were clearly more than 4,000 people. and just before we came on with you, the press secretary peskov is doing the rounds on the sunday talk shows and he said there really weren't a lot of people there. and he said if you compare it to the number of people who voted
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for vladimir putin in the past, the situation is very clear that this was hardly significant in any way. but this is really all predictable in terms of what the state line is. and we're looking at what happened yesterday. and i think that there is one really telling statistic, there was a notable russian an expert trying to figure out who was coming out. and according to their estimates, somewhere around 42% of the people, up to 40,000 people, were first timers who had never taken an active role in opposition politics before. and i think that if you are in the navalny camp, there is an encouraging sign. their message is starting to break through beyond their traditional audience and might have some staying power. and so that is what they are hoping for. declaring victory and calling to do it again next weekend. and of course in about ten days time is the big day for mr. navalny, that court hearing that could see the authorities throw
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him in jail for up to 3.5 years. and as i said yesterday, there are some kags that they are looking at ways to increase that sentence. so it is make or break time for the opposition. so far it seems to be going the way they had hoped. we'll see what happens next weekend. and of course there will be a response if navalny is thrown away. >> yeah, and we've been showing the pictures. anybody can look at those pictures and say that was more than 4,000 people. but the remarkable violence that authorities were using on those protestors is quite something. matt, thanks for joining us. matt wagner for us in moscow. all right. we are going to go back to what happened on january 6. remember all those people when carried out an insurrection at the u.s. kop? capitol, the same ones who threaten to kill the vice president and stole laptops? according to new reporting, there is debates over whether some of them should be charged or not pl i'll speak to the reporter who broke that story next. l i'll speak to the reporter who broke that story next
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new reporting from the "washington post" says the justice department and the fbi are privately debating whether or not to charge some of the 800 capitol rioters because they are known only to have committed unlawful entry and were not engaging in violent threatening or destructive behavior. doj officials have promised to identify and arrest j officials o identify and arres all those who seized the capitol. there were about a dozen arrests and now nearly three weeks later there, are approximately 135 individuals who are charged with committing crimes.ting crimes. arrests, and now there are 135 individuals who are charged with committing crimes.o for a little perspective, 35,000 black lives matter protesters were arrested during those protests and thousands were cited for nothing more than
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violating curfew. "washington post" reporter and author of "october surprise: how the fbi tried to save itself and crashed an election, devlin barrett. devlin, what's the issue? >> so there's one question, did you go into the u.s. capitol without invitation, and that is a violation of law. there has been a conversation among prosecutors for that group of peopleor for whom there are other charges to file, there are no other charges of violence. meaning they went in, maybe took pictures, maybe walked around, but they weren't trying to hurt anyone, they weren't encouraging violence andnc weren't damaging property in any way, should those people be charged with a crime and prosecuted? that's the discussion that's been had. obviously you have this sea of 800 people.
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there are all sorts of different gradations of conduct, and that is part of that debate. >> one of the things that the justice department is debating with the fbi, according to your reporting, is the credibility of the justice department and the fbi are at stake in such decisions given the apparent security and intelligence failures that preceded the riot. what does that imply, that they're sort of a little sheepish that they weren't at the front end of this thing, they weren't prepared for it, and now willer it seem unusual they were arresting all these people they should have known were coming in the first place? what's the skinny behind that? >> thenn thing about that is th when you think about the fbi, they really want -- when it comes to questions of national security, they really want to be on theey front edge of threats d harm. in this case they weren't able to do wethat, the congress was overrun, and now they sort of are playing a kind of catch-up to all the criminal activity that happened in that time.
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they would have much rather prevented this from happening at all,m but now that has happene they have a very strong sense that they need to show they can be tough and firm with all these people who committed all these crimes. and so the question now is, okay, but for some subset of those folks, are we going to be able to show that they intended to break the law? are we going to be able to show that they fully believed that they themselves were involved in a riot? >> one of the other things you mentioned in your article is that defense lawyers for some of those charged are contemplating something akin to a trump defense, that the president or other authority figures gave them permission or invited them to t commit an otherwise illega act. this is interesting to itself, because a lot of them are using that to their defense, somebody told me to do this. it becomes very difficult for the president, who his lawyers will be making the case in the senate that we didn't cause
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anybody to go into congress and to cause damage and to steal things. >> right, and it's sort of an interesting tension point in this evidence, right? you're going to have people on theng politics side of this process saying, well, no, there was no direction, there was no instruction to those people to do anything illegal, and then -- but at the same time the defense lawyers are contemplating presenting defenses where they would argue, look, we were told to do this by the president. you can't hold us criminally accountable for something the president told us to do. so those two things are in conflict, and it will be interesting to see how each side's legal strategy plays out as this process goes forward, both on the impeachment side and the criminal trial side. devlin, thank you for joining us and thank you for your reporting. devlin barrett is a reporter for the "washington post" covering the department of justice, and he's author of the book "october surprise: how theer fbi tried t
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good morning. it is sunday, january 24th. i'm ali velshi. today marked day one of the first full week of the biden-harris administration. they got moving within hours of being sworn in on an aggressive and difficult agenda. the top priority is undoing the damage of the last president with a slew of executive orders, renewing things like climate change and immigration policies. now the coronavirus is killing nearly 4,000 americans every day, and they want to get much-needed economic relief to people suffering from the pandemic and the former president's inability to lead a real battle against it. >> we have to act now. it's not just to meet the moral
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