will have to be nimble to adjust readily. >> we have breaking news this morning as the united states has now surpassed 26 million confirmed cases of covid-19 since the start of the pandemic, this as the death toll has risen to 438,000. turning now to the latest on what authorities are learning about the violence planned before the january 6th attack on the capitol which included the planning of two pipe bombs of both major party headquarters. on friday the fbi released information on the suspect and upped the reward to $100,000. it shows the suspect walking down an alley around 8:00 p.m. and he is seen carrying a backpack, a mask and gloves. the capitol police chief who is in charge at the time he suspects the bombs were an intentional effort to draw

officers away from the capitol help conspire so being brought against members of the proud boys on the assault of the capitol. earlier this week the department of homeland security issued a warning with more potential threats from an enemy within our boards. the agency cited a heightened threat of attack, the warning is far-right extremists groups were emboldened by the capitol siege. they were a specific ask credible plot. the threat alert will remain in place until april 30th. on thursday, speaker nancy pelosi talked about the danger the members of congress now find themselves in. >> we will probably need a supplemental for more security for members when the enemy is within the house of representatives. >> what exactly what you said that the enemy is within? >> it means that we have members of congress who want to bring

guns on the floor and have threatened violence on other members of congress. >> hard to imagine whom democrats think they need protection from. freshman democratic congresswoman cori bush spelled it out. a maskless marjorie taylor-greene and her staff berated me. marjorie taylor-greene, you probably know her name well by now is a freshman congressman who peddles racist conspiracy theories. her fellow republicans saw the threat that she posed to their part, quote, during previously unreported meetings last summer house republican leader discussed, but then largely set aside fears that qanon supporting conspiracy theorist marjorie taylor-greene would end up a flaming train wreck for their party. >> meanwhile, the second impeachment trial of donald

trump gets under way, and there's talk of a bipartisan effort to consider censure as an alternative facing the former president. according to one senator in the know could prevent the former president from holding future office. >> we are getting a new look from the january 6th insurrection on capitol hill. body cam footage obtained by "the new york times," one man is seen wielding a hockey stick and another wielding a crutch. i should warn you. these images are disturbing. >> there's a weird production cue in there. >> joining me now is someone who was there on capitol hill that day. congressman hakeem jefferies of new york. he's the chair of the house democratic caucus and was a

house manager in donald trump's first impeachment trial. congressman jefferies, good to see you. i have to tell you, i know you're a public figure. public figures are used to threats, but the one made toward your family was a lot more specific and a lot more scary than something you should be subject to. someone was sending your family texts threatening harm because of -- i don't know, because of who you are? >> well, that was a deeply troubling situation. i'm thankful for the swift action by the fbi, the capitol police and the nypd and all of the law enforcement authorities who have taken these threats seriously and not just directed against family members of mine, but across members of congress and family across the country. we are dealing with white supremacy radicalized by the former president of the united states by the telling of the big lie that he won the presidency

and the election was stolen from him and that is why those threats were directed against my family members because they wanted to try to intimidate me from what they said was lying about the election. joe biden did not win. he will not be president or the exact words, and so i think we will proceed with an impeachment drill so that the president of the united states can be held accountable. no one is above the law. he incited a violent attack on the capitol help officers were beaten, one was killed that day. two others have taken their life thereafter. the capitol was desecrated, urine and feces were left. those individuals were there to assassinate nancy pelosi, hang mike pence, and hunt down members of congress. there must be justice in america. >> so what do you think, then about this option that's being

floated of censure which would only need 50 votes in the senate as opposed to conviction by trial which would need two-thirds? >> i don't think much of it at all at this particular point in time because the process of impeachment has been initiated. the house in the most bipartisan impeachment vote in american history has determined that the president should be tried for inciting a violent insurrection. the next step of that process is for the senators to undertake their constitutional responsibility. ali, we've been down this road before. we have republican senators who are trying to find every excuse in the world to exonerate the president. during the last impeachment trial when he clearly had engaged in a corrupt abuse of power as part of an effort to artificially interfere with the 2020 election in the context of

the trump-ukraine scandal. now the framers of the constitution provided to us which is impeachment and trial. i am hopeful that the senators will follow the facts, apply the law, be guided by the constitution and let the chips fall where they may once they have heard the evidence which the impeachment managers are going to present in a very compelling way. >> congressman, at least in a jury there's some effort to make sure that in a jury trial, there is some effort to make sure that the jurors are impartial and open minded. you have people who your speaker is calling the enemy within although they won't be voting in the senate and the trial. there are ted cruz and josh hawley have been entirely on the wrong side of this thing and in your house you have marjorie taylor-greene. do you even think you can reason with some people. >> you certainly can't reason with some people including those individuals that you mentioned. they are tainted jurors. let's keep in mind that the

senate floor is not just going to be a courtroom. it is a crime scene and that the individual senators are not just jurors. they were victims and witnesses to the crimes that took police on that particular day and have seen in compelling fashion as you showed your viewers there av. so i believe there are enough senators who objectively could make up their minds to convict. some, certainly, we can write off like ted cruz and josh hawley, but i'm not prepared to write all of them off. >> congressman, good to see you again. congressman hakeem jefferies of new york, and a house manager of donald trump's first impeachment trial. good morning to you, sir. meanwhile, rudy giuliani is back in the news up to his preposterous antics. on the steve bannon show he tried to lay the blame of the capitol riot on the lincoln project, the anti-trump

conservative organization. >> one of the people who organized this is well known for having worked with the lincoln project in the past. so it isn't as if all these right-wing groups were pro-trump. >> who is the guy working with the lincoln project. >> he's -- i don't know if i can reveal that name because we have that from anonymous sources. >> i don't know if i can reveal his name. here's what the lincoln founder steve schmitt had the to say. we will sue the [ expletive ] i am so happy i am choked up. he was operations chief for john mccain's presidential campaign in 2008 and last month steve registered as a democrat after 29 years in the gop. i was listening to that thing, steve and i was waiting for your tweet because that was some crazy nonsense. rudy giuliani said, even steve bannon was shocked by rudy giuliani saying it and asked him to expand on it and he couldn't.

>> well, what's amazing about it, ali is that at the end of it when you cut it off when bannon goes to, you're killing me. you're killing me because steve bannon knows he's going to get sued by us also and he is and so is donald trump who is rudy giuliani's client and rudy giuliani is acting on his behest, but look, it is very difficult to sue somebody for defamation or libel in the united states, but our lawyers are telling us that rudy is well across the line so we're thrilled about this. it's the weekend, obviously. our lawyers are working and as soon as we're able to we'll take action and it won't be a frivolous lawsuit and again, in a country with the first amendment we're all public figures and we're all involved in the fight, but what he said was ludicrous and was untrue, was defamatory and if we can sue them, we're going to sue them.

i think we'll -- >> what do you make of this kind of nonsense? who is he relying on? the idea that people don't have access to facts or that so many people in america listen to conspiracy theories and have a narrow funnel of information to suggest that it was lincoln project and antifa. he said with that shooting of the woman by police that they were all surrounded by antifa. is the idea that they say this kind of stuff and it does stick to some degree? >> i thought congressman jefferies described the situation we're in perfectly, and i'm with him. there must be a trial in the -- in the senate to hold for the president to account for this, but the bottom line on this is that part of all autocratic movements is the lying and it's foundational to it and these are lies of authority and there's a straight line, ali from sean spicer's inaugural lie about the crowd size, right? where he goes out and says a is

bigger than b when b was clearly bigger than a. these are all lies of authority and conspiracies. look, the qanon lie of anybody that has an understanding of anti-semitism is the lie updated for the 21st century of the protocol, and the elders of zion. it's the same story. so this is all lies, all lying. the conspiracy is everywhere and the thing about conspiracy theories is that at the end they always turn back on themselves. they always devour themselves because there's just nowhere else to turn the story and so this is just all part and parcel of the lie. the violence that flowed from that, the cynicism of the elites in america, the people who have gotten the best educations and have had the most privilege like holly, cruz, stanford and stanford and harvard universities who think they can ride the tiger think that they can use the insanity for their

own cynical means, for their own -- for their own power, the financiers of this movement and some of the wealthiest people in the country and the biggest companies and the propagandas who make billions of dollars. so we have an autocratic movement and the american autocratic movement like an autocratic movement everywhere has certain features to it, and if you go around that flywheel you will find all of those features and in the middle of it, right? what gives it gravity is the lying. democracies are built on foundations of truth, inalienable truths and autocracies are built on mountains of lies and that's what this is. >> obviously, we were talking about congressman jefferies about marjorie taylor-greene. these a straight-up cuckoo and that's easy to figure out and that's what rudy giuliani has become. rudy giuliani ran for president of the united states. marjorie taylor-greene is a member of congress.

josh hawley and ted cruz are united states senators. donald trump was the president. at some point how and when does the republican party or something that used to be the republican party that you were once a member of cleave itself in which jews in space sent a laser to florida to make way for high-speed rail? >> let's play it out. kevin mccarthy who is every bit as responsin as hawley are for the incitements to violence for the telling of the big lie. where is the minority leader of the house? he is in mar-a-lago with his leader donald trump pledging his loyalty? they put a woman, marjorie taylor-greene who is utterly insane. they put her on the education committee. she denies the parkland and the newtown shootings. a member of congress denies the

murder of children in school. she denies it and she's on the education committee. now at the same time leader mccarthy, who does he owe some explanning as before the conference? who does he say? oh, it's liz cheney. because liz cheney voted for impeachment because liz cheney said that the breaking of trump's oath in the cause of his incitement is the greatest betrayal that a president has ever -- has ever done in the history of the country, and so his focus is on liz cheney, right, for standing by the american constitution while he encourages, through his complicit, more marjorie taylor-greenes and here's the deal. all through the republican party, the primary season is under way. rob portman left the senate. he doesn't have the stomach for the fight. he knows that he would have prevailed, so there will be a cuckoo senator nominated by the

republican party. the good news for the democrats in a republican state the nuts senator has a good chance of going down in a general election and most of these crazy people will lose in a general election, but by some multiple there will be exponents of marjorie taylor greene's with "rs" next to their name in the next congress and fundamentally by every conceivable threshold marjorie taylor-greene meets the threshold for expulsion from the congress and at a minimum she should not be given committee assignments that's at the discretion of the membership of the congress and her office ought to be some broom closet in a sub basement somewhere, and sent a message to the constituents from the rest of the members. if you decide to send an insane person to the congress that's your right. you can vote for whomever you want. you can send, if you want, a german shepard up to the

congress to represent you, but they're not going to have committee assignments and they're not going to have a nice office and they're going to be ostracized. >> steve, good to see you as always. thank you for taking the time to join us. steve schmitt is the founder of the lincoln project. >> thank you. >> just when we thought it was game over for gamestop, this week the stock surged big time thanks to retail traders. gamestop became a symbol taken up by everyday americans in a fight against titans of wall street. coming up, i'll tell you exactly how it happened. more "velshi" after this. d. more "velshi" after this nicorette knows, quitting smoking is freaking hard. you get advice like: try hypnosis... or... quit cold turkey. kidding me?! instead, start small. with nicorette. which can lead to something big. start stopping with nicorette

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okay. by now you've undoubtedly seen the craziness going on in the stock market with the selection of seemingly random stocks surging hundreds if not thousands of percent in a matter of days or even hours along with a whole bunch of financial jargon which sounds complicated so what exactly is going on? one major term you've heard is shorting. what this is is just placing a bet that a stock will go down in price and an investor can make money on this type of gamble by borrowing shares from a broker without paying them initially, selling them immediately and later buying the shares at a lower price and returning them to the broker, keeping the difference in price as a profit. so as an example, an investor borrows one share of a stock at $200 and sells it. the investor now has $200 at an

initial cost of zero dollars. however, the investor still owes the broker that one share. the gamble is that the price of the stock will go down, say to just $100 a share. investor can then buy the share that it owes the broker at that lower $100 price, meaning it cost the investor less to buy the stock than what it has already sold for. the investor ends upkeeping the extra $100 difference from the initial $200 sale price of the stock. the danger, of course, is that the price of the stock could increase and then of the investor still owes the broker the share in which case the investor loses money. using our example, say the stock goes up to $220. the investor still has to buy the owed share, but it has now cost them $20 more than what it initially sold for. there are murky origin, but what basically happened within the last week or so is that some people on the reddit chat board, wall street bets noticed that

some hedge funds had placed massive short bets on several distressed, yet widely known companies, mainly gamestop and also bed bath & beyond, amc theaters, plaque berry is others so these redditors bought shares and increasingly inflated praises in order to prevent stock prices to going down. as the prices kept going up, the hedge funds were forced to start buying shares to replace the ones they borrowed when they initially expected the stocks to drop in value in order to cut losses. that's what's known as the short squeeze and the buying and the new demand has the effect of dramatically increasing the price of the stock. there's been talk and consternation that brokerage and trading firms popular with younger traders and newer traders including one called robinhood cut off the average person's ability to trade in the volatile companies, but that is

a misunderstanding. ted cruz and alexandria ocasio-cortez to condemn the platforms and called for investigations into why regulators go after small investors when they move the market, but not big hedge funds which some people say manipulate markets as a normal course of their business. we'll continue to follow that story to see what comes of it. trump may be out of office, but the fight to overturn election trolls or overturn the election rolls on. the latest attempt comes from arizona. shanna bolick a temped to re-write the election laws. it would give the at any time before the presidential inauguration. if passed the current gop-controlled house could vote to invalidate future presidential results in arizona. this is while the republican party stands divided on what to do about impeachment and on what to do about georgia

congresswoman marjorie taylor-greene. the qanon supporter keeps putting her foot in her mouth, and take a listen to how greene's own constituents feel about her actions. >> she's an embarrassment and she's an outrage to really decent behavior, and i'm just sorry that is what our district is becoming known for. >> she supports the constitution. that's my main concern. there are so many that don't support our constitution and wants to tear it apart, and you know, there's always hearsay about politicians. so you don't ever really know the truth. the truth. progressive is always here for you with round-the-clock service. just so you know, next time, you can submit a claim with our mobile app. good. thanks again for -- for rushing over.

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this week house speaker nancy pelosi warned that, quote, the enemy is within the house of

representatives, she's absolutely right. ideologically violent extremists with perceived grievances fueled by false narratives could continue to mobilize to incite or commit violence which is how the republican party is now home to members of qanon sympathizer and congresswoman from georgia marjorie taylor-greene who believes in and spreads outrageous lies including that the attacks of 9/11 were an inside job. that jewish laser beams started the california wildfires and the shootings at parkland and sandy hook were staged. she claims, quote, the only way to get your freedom back is it's earned with the price of blood. it's important to note greene's racist and violent comments were known well before she became the party's nominee for her district and senior republican officials just didn't care because that was trump's base, and a vote is a vote. joining me now is nbc reporter brandy. you and i have talked about this

woman, taylor-greene for months because it was fringe conspiracy theorists on the outside and fringe conspiracy theorists who were to take a seat. it marked the qanon nonsense into the halls of power. >> yeah. that's exactly right. the first time that i really came across marjorie taylor-greene was in june in 2020 when politico first reported the rantings of black people and muslim people and an anti-semitic things against george soros. kevin mccarthy said that her remarks were appalling, that he had no tolerance for them. steve scalise also called them disgusting and suddenly she wins an election and everybody's mum. >> the thing that you and ben

always tell me about is that none of this exists in a vacuum. everything that marjorie taylor-greene has said and all of the cuckoo stuff she says, you have seen before. the lasers starting forest fires and the false flags, and the facts that these school shootings were staged. you've seen this all before. >> yeah. we see it constantly. i mean, it's been on the internet for years and years and years. i think there was a point where marjorie taylor-greene she wrote for this conspiracy website that i wrote in august and when she had a business she had a crossfit gym and she didn't espouse these ideas because she knew they were wild and rejected in polites is society. she sold her gym and ran for

office and she wrote tons and tons of videos and wrote a million things and suddenly what happened at the same time that she was doing these things is that donald trump was in office and all of these ideas that were once relegated to the fringes of society soon became mainstream and that's how we get her in congress now and that's why we get no shame in it either, she hasn't disavowed these comments. she hasn't said i'm so sorry for suggesting that parkland shooting was a false flag for harming these parents further and traumatizing these survivors. it's insane to me, and it's not shocking. it's wild and so sad. >> it's insane, but not shocking. we have recordings of us having these conversations warning about the fact that this woman's going to be in power and then what happens. brandy, thanks for your great reporting, nbc news reporter. joining me is nakima williams and she's the chair of

the georgia democratic party. congresswoman williams. i don't know what to ask you about this. the people of your state did send this woman to the united states congress and everybody knew ahead of time what she was all about. what do you think about this? >> so, ali, she represents one congressional district so don't put this on the entire state of georgia. we also sent you warnock to the united states senate, but i think -- >> i'll take that. >> this is -- this is what we've come to in trump's republican party. this is the base of the republican party. this is who she is and who she represents and even after everything has come to light about what she said, the dangerous and violent words that she understands the implications of them because we all saw them on display on january 6th. she's continued to double down on them. just yesterday she didn't apologize for what she said because she means it so that's why i filed a resolution along with my colleagues to censure

her in the united states congress to condemn her remarks and when i hear minority leader mccarthy saying that he'll have a talking to her. i have a 5-year-old son and i have a talking to him about not picking up his toys and this is beyond that and we need to take serious action because she's a member of the united states congress and she has a platform and she's using it as a member of the united states congress to continue to spread her words that are leading to more and more violence and we have to stop this and we need to stop it now. >> so you have spent a lot of time in the state of georgia getting people out to vote and you were very involved in the victories that we've seen for the democratic party between november and the election of the two democratic senators. what do you do about the root cause of this? the voters who thought it was acceptable to send her to congress ostensibly because she defends the constitution. we just played some sound from the voters who say she's in fife

are on of the constitution and some are not. how do we address the root part of this. >> we will not have a 100% base in georgia that is representative of the -- of what people really believe that everyone should be treated with fairness and justice because that's the exact opposite of what marjorie taylor thinks. i think what we need to do is we need to get to work on governing. we need to make sure that we are getting covid relief back to our districts. her district is hurting just as much as mine and she needs to be fighting in district to get vaccines rolled out and get teachers back to classrooms safely and get children back to school and here she is continuing to spew conspiracy theories. ye need to get to work and i'm willing to get to congress to represent her district, as well because i know that that's what most georgians want, someone in congress looking out for their best interests and not continuing to peddle out

conspiracy theories that led to the violence we saw on january 6th. >> what does a censure in congress look like if that motion that you put forward succeeds? what happens to marjorie taylor-greene? >> she would be brought before the united states house of representatives on the floor and members would rebuke her and condemn her remark, condemn her actions and she would have to stand there, and listen to this. now do i think she would actually show up? that's on her. i'm doing my part. i wrote the resolution and my colleague and i sarah jacobs out of california we are moving forward to make sure we're doing our part. it only takes a simple majority to pass and i also support an expulsion and i've signed on for her to be removed from the united states congress and that takes a two-thirds majority. i don't know where we would end up on that, but as a simple majority we should be able to move forward to hold her accountable for her actions because enough is enough and

we've come way to far. her party has dna nothing. a talking to is nothing. we have to move forward with taking action. >> congresswoman williams, thank you for joining me again. nakima williams representing georgia's 5th congressional district. good to talk to you this morning. coming up, why the founding fathers feared mobs. jeffrey rosen joins me for a more perfect union. you're watching velshi after the break. on you're watching velshi after the break.

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a mob of extremists stormed the capitol on january 6th. the founding fathers feared mob rule so they viewed some of them as legitimate. here on velshi we are teaming up with the national constitution center for a series called a more perfect union, joining me is a man who can get anyone excited about the constitution. jeff, it seems obvious today why the founders would be worried about violent mob, but tell us why violent mobs scared the founding fathers at a time when things that seemed like mobbing were actually somewhat normal? >> as you say, ali, the founders themselves his participated in mobs during the american revolution. the boston tea party was a mob or crowd action, but mobs in those days were regulated according to rainfall rules. the colonists along with samuel adams stormed on to the british ships. they throw the tea in the water because they think the tea duties are unconstitutional, but

they reimburse the captain of the ship when they break his private locks because that's considered con triband. the founders are especially alarmed by something called shays rebellion which was a group of farmers in western massachusetts who were mobbing the courthouses because they don't want to pay their debts after the inflation and after the revolutionary war and that's why jefferson sends to madison a trunk full of books from paris about the failed democracies of greece and rome where demagogues inflame the people into mob action. that's why he says from reason, even if every athenian had been socrates athens would have still been a mob. the whole point is to avoid mob action and to slow down deliberation and to allow reason rather than passion to prevail and the founders think because

america is so big mobs won't be able to discover each other and by the time they do they will peter out and go home. that proves to be a false hope in the years leading up to the civil war when violent lynch mobs attack free african-american, enslaved people. abolitionist newspaper editors like elija lovejoy and abraham lincoln in 1838 denounces mobocracy says we need to be guided by reason rather than passion unless it becomes our civil religion then a demagogue will rise among us and inflame the mob. what we saw on january 6th was the armed mob inflamed by demagogues andal ga rith rms attacking the constitution does the rule of law. so if we'll channel the framers and lincoln and madison and frederick douglas, we have to say america, let us once again

commit ourselves to the light of reason embodied in the constitution. >> jeffrey rosen, always a treat to listen to you explain these things so clearly. jeffery rosen, thank you, sir. america imprisons the largest amount of people by far. president biden took an executive order to stop the government's use of private prisons, but there's way more work to be done. e work to be done. cold turkey. kidding me?! instead, start small. with nicorette. which can lead to something big. start stopping with nicorette ♪ ooh la la by cherie ♪

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this week, president joe biden signed an executive order phasing out the use of privatized prisons. it instructs the justice department not to renew contracts with private prisons, a policy implemented under president obama and reversed in 2017 by trump. private prisons are a stupid,

amoral idea. how did we end up with them in the first place? the united states is the most prolific incarcerate on the planet and that is a fact and it's been that way for decades with republicans and presidents again. the u.s. ranked number one when it came to the total number of incarcerated people. it has roughly 300,000 more people that had been sentenced to prison than china does which has literally 1 billion people more in population, but that's raw numbers, what about as a percentage of the population? america for the win again with the highest rate of incarceration in the world. a great deal higher than the next country on the list, el salvador. our prison system became so overwhelmed partly for the war on drugs in the '80s and the 1994 crime bill that it was forced to outsource health. the federal prison population increased by almost 800% between

1980 and 2013, often at a far faster rate than the bureau of prisons could accommodate in their own facilities. in an effort to manage the rising prison population around 2006 the bureau began contracting with privately operated correctional institutions to confine some federal inmates. in 2017 u.s. private prisons incarcerated nearly 122,000 people representing 8.2 of the total state and federal prison population, and private doesn't mean cheaper or better. in fact, private prisons are more dangerous than government-run prisons and a damning report from the inspector general released in 2016 found that federal private prisons were much more violent and a lot less secure than privately, federally run facilities. last week i noted that there are two sides to some issues and this is some of them. private prisons should not exist. in economics it's what we call a perverse incentive. private prisons thrive when there are lots of people incarcerated which is the

opposite of what society's goals are. some conservatives argue that anything that the private sector can do better and in this argument it is nonsense as it relates to incarceration. we can and should do better with healthcare and mental health and we do not have to in prisons, but we do not have to maintain a private profit to achieve those goals. america needs a complete overhaul of its justice system from policing to the judicial system. ending private prisons won't solve a problem, but it is a start. in a few moments i'll speak with the woman who wrote the book about private prisons and how they harm the judicial system. more "velshi" in a moment. payros than five minutes with intuit quickbooks. ah, a package! you know what this human ordered?

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before the break i was talking about president biden's new executive order, phasing out the use of private prisons. while this is a stride in the right direction, it's only scratching the surface in the larger conversation of the prison industrial come plec and overall justice reform. journeying me now, someone who understands private prisons pretty much better than anyone. she literally wrote the book on the topics in the age of mass incarceration. thank you for being with us. let's just talk about this. i took a pretty strong position on this and that is we just don't need private prisons. the incentive is wrong if your

privatize making money off incarcerating people because generally as a society, we'd like to be incarcerating fewer people. >> thank you for having me on the show. president biden signed four executive orders addressing racial inequalities an injustice and one of them forbids the justice department from signing new contracts with private companies to house federal prisoners, but it's really important that your viewers understand that the impact here will be very slight and that's because of the nearly 152,000 people who are housed in federal private prison -- sorry, housed in federal prisons. only about 14,000 of them are housed in privately managed facilities. they also tend to be ten-year contracts. they're very long. some were signed in the last year or two, making it unlikely that they'll come up for renewal during this administration. this is really important.

it does not include i.c.e. institution facilities. as you said before the break, about 8% to 9% of the nation's 2.2 million people are actually incarcerated in private facilities. that's at the state level and the federal level. so really in terms of ending mass incarceration, this executive order duchblt do much, and we know that our nation's justice system fails to live up to the american ideals of a quality fairness and redemg with 2.2 million people behind bars, 4.5 million people on probation or parole, and 12 million admissions cycling in and out of our county and city jails every year. they have massive societal consequences, driving and reinforcing deep-seated racial inequality and pun usualing latino americans. >> i guess if you are defending

-- in fact, the statement from a ceo of one of the largest for-profit prisons in the country said the other day, president biden's executive order is a solution in search of a problem. but, in fact, there's a real problem here. if you've got for-profit prisons, they're motivated by keeping people in prison and having more go to prison, which we just shouldn't be motivated right. >> you're absolutely right. some say they earn revenues and others argue they can't be delegated. one of them is punishment. this is very different from other services that the governments privatize. but it's important to know that the firms that manage prisons, there are a vast number that make money off of

justice-involved people. this is a complex web from telephone calls to architectural fees to prisons that are private that run deep. it's more than just these private firms that manage prisons and detention centers. it's really a collection of interest whose financial well being rises and falls with the size of the prison population some of this is that greater prison industrial complex. and if we're serious about ending mass incarceration, we've got to focus on this entrenched economic system that's built by public unions. >> lauren-brooke eisen, thank you for the work you've done on this topic. we'll continue this. she's director of the brennan center. she's the author of "inside private prisons: an american dilemma in a society of mass

incarceration that. does it for me here. i'll be back on in the morning and i'll have bernie sanders on with us. up next, massachusetts senator elizabeth warren joins tiffany cross. don't go anywhere. "cross connection" begins right now. ♪♪ what i cannot do is continue to look over my shoulder wondering if a white supremacist in congress by the name of marjorie taylor greene or anyone else because there are others, that they are doing something or conspiring against -- >> good morning. i'm tiffany cross, and we begin today's "cross connection" on high alert. with the department of homeland security warning about violent ideologically driven extremists, it's become very clear that members of congress have ties to those extremists.

and it's a threat to their colleagues. congresswoman corey bush says she has to move her capitol hill office to get away from fellow congresswoman marjorie taylor greene. you've heard a lot about her this week. bush says marjorie taylor greene berated her in the hallway for not wearing a mask. she's part of the conspiracy theories, claims bush is lying about their interaction. but suzie qanon harassed a child. meanwhile we continue to learn the extent of the planning for the capitol hill insurgency. on friday two members of the proud boys were indicted in federal court on charges of conspiracy