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tooth's surface to help reharden and strengthen your enamel. as always, thanks for joining us. the reid out with joy reid starts now. ♪♪ good evening, everyone. we begin tonight's "reid out quds with news at both ends of the capitol. joe biden is meeting right now with ten republicans who are pushing a compromised deal for covid relief. a package that is one third the size of biden's proposal. there are more details in the
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days leading up to the maga invasion at the capital. the basis of the president's second impeachment trial starting next week. the genesis of the siege, revealing it wasn't an up rising but a coordinated campaign by the former president and his allies. that was rooted in a lie that was so convincing to some of his most devoted followers it made the assault on the capitol almost inevitable. and a growing list of people and organizations involved in planning, promoting and financing the rallies that precipitated the insurrection. alex jones, ali alexander, the pilly gee, mike lindell, and people who have been in the republican party, and establishment groups like the republican attorneys general
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association. the heiress to the publix supermarket fortune. her money paid for the lion's share of the $500,000 at the ellipse where the former president spoke. before they converged on washington, all the forces rallied around a single goal of stopping the so-called steal. and the times reveal, some made overtures like the proud boys and others at the event. the organizers promoted themselves in a video wielding fire arms as they built their radical coalition. and they knew something violent was coming. the man who bragged about, steve bannon, whom trump has since
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pardoned of felony charges, hinted that would take place would be more than a mere rally. >> all hell is going to break loose tomorrow. just understand this. all hell is going to take place tomorrow. i will tell you this. it's not going to happen like you think it's going to happen. it's going to be quite extraordinarily different. and all i can say is strap in. >> all hell? you say? and of course the words of a florida man himself, just minutes before his supporters sacked the capitol. >> we have to fight much harder. we're going to walk down to the capitol! and we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women and we're probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them.
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because you'll never take back our country with weakness. >> despite the bloodshed of that day, loyalists to the former president can't their attempts to sab teenage the verification of biden's victory. rudy giuliani called tommy tuberville of alabama asking him to slow or delay the counts. and it prevented the national guard from quickly restoring order. the acting secretary of defense restrained the d.c. guard from fully deploying according to a memo issued two days before. and there are details on the last ditch legal maneuvers. the times reveals the supreme court lawsuit was secretly drafted by lawyers close to the white house. let's turn now to sheldon whitehouse of rhode island who
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serves on the judiciary committee. senator, i think we have to talk about the coordination of the money. we're seeing this siege was not spontaneous. it appears to have been planned by a variety of groups from the tea party on, including people in the white house. and then we get to the money. and i big donors, like the publix supermarket heiress putting money into it. >> i have been asking the fbi and the department of justice from the the beginning to treat it as a kind of investigation to do the work to find out who is behind it. you follow the money, you look at the groups, the funder, you figure out who the kingpins and instigators are. they want to arrest all the characters who were smashing the
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place up. but there is more to it than this. little by little, they are starting to look into it. and it's essential to look at it as an organized effort, not a spontaneous one. >> i want to note -- i'm just -- someone is telling me in the ear, the senators meeting in the white house have just come out. we will get to the that in a moment. i want to stay with senator whitehouse now. you have funding this operation. there they are. that is susan collins of maine speaking. we know the publix heiress has not only been a donor to what happened on the sixth, the rally, she helped fund it but she is a big donor to ron desantis and then you got the things the penalty was saying. right? they're getting this thing funded. we know there's going to be a rally there.
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we know it looks like the department of defense told the national guard to stand down and let whatever was going to happen happen. and you have the president saying after the siege happens, that is what happens when you hurt me. he tweeted, these are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously ripped away. do you think we have criminal collusion between the funders and the president and maybe even the secretary of defense at the time? >> look, i have been a prosecutor and i don't look to get ahead of assigning guilt. i think the important thing is we do a thorough investigation. i asked for an investigation of senators cruz and hawley. i have been pestering the department of justice, and there is also the dark money funding. we don't know who the donors
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are. but behind raga, the republican attorneys general association, it's a defense fund that takes money from anonymous donors in big amounts and we need to dig into that, and they need to understand exactly what went on so they are apply the law of aiding and abetting. so they can apply conspiracy law. >> let me ask you this. you have been really great about this. you do the talks when you in the united states senate. you talk about dark money. are we at a point now where we have to fear that our democracy is being under mined and the under mining of it is financed by billionaires, but dark money, with the goal of undoing democracy and establishing something other than democracy to their benefit? >> yes. while trump was a flamboyant
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offense to democracy, there was always a creeping insinuation of dark money into our political system. and it is probably just as dangerous as trump's policeman buoyant excesses. this is not the knife in the eye ball. this is the cancer in the body. but you got to get both out if you want the patient to be healthy. >> it is a frightening thing. senator sheldon whitehouse, you follow it daily. i appreciate it. thanks for joining us. i appreciate your time. >> good to be with you. >> let's turn to katie benner from the new york nims, and nicholas rasmussen. you have doing incredible reporting. katie, i want to ask you based on your recording, how deep do the ties go to what have come to
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be seen as standard republican groups? the tea party patriots, groups that funded the tea party, a lot of billionaires that wanted a vanear of a republican. >> the ties are very deep. there is a lot of money that poured into it before the insurrection. and the republican party, and establishment parts of the party, never really believed that things would go off the rails the way it did on january 6th and it's a theme we saw again and again with trump's presidency where people were looking at the long game and trying to ignore the unsavory attempts from him. people believed they would get things they wanted, power, the
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et cetera, without a disaster, and trump has proven with the insurrection we saw january 6th with his post presidency behavior that he controls not only the money but essentially the party itself. >> and you know, mr. rasmussen, thank you, and welcome to the show as well. when you have insurgency, say we're not talking about the united states. we start to think about the ties insurgents have to political forces, governmental forces. is insurgency. it's getting funding from someone, political backing from somewhere. don't we have to start thinking about that effort to overturn the democracy in those terms? >> you have a large pool of violent extremist it is a use a term the department of homeland security used, in a bulletin they issue the last week, and the large pool of violent extremists that are motivated by
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a doe mystic political ideology, they are incited to carry out violent attacks. and as we have seen in oversea settings, when we talk about foreign terrorist organizations, some of the groups like to keem themselves at arm's length from the violence. they like to promote the narrative and they like to be at arm's length and act surprise when the logical outcome after the narrative actually turns tout be violence as we saw on january 6th. >> let me play for you, chris ray, the director of the fbi, testifying before congress about the threats to domestic security. >> what i can tell you is that within -- within the domestic terrorism bucket, racially
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motivated volume extremism is the largest in the group, and win that, people ascribing to a white supremacist ideology is certainly the biggest chunk of that. >> you also had the new second of date mr. blinken tell -- he told axios the following about us. >> i was very worried. i did not want to you have a coup, shooting and god forbid loss of life. it is just that after something like this, i believe it would be very difficult for the world to see the united states as a symbol of democracy in the world. >> katie benner, i will start with you on this. are we looking at a republican party that is increasingly
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willing to look the other way or utilize militant groups like the proud boys for their own political benefit? >> i say we're looking a the a republican party that is still the party of trump, and as a leader, he is going to do those things. we have in the reporting, one of the phenomenal that we saw that was interesting about the violent extremists, they came at the hest of the former president. and the president appealed to groups like militias to show up, and they showed up at polling stations in the election. so we saw a very unusual -- it's hard to overstate how unusual this is. militias like the oath keepers, they are anti-government, they are anti-authority, and they felt they had in the white house, an ally and someone who
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stood for them. and that is going to be difficult for the republican party to grapple with as trump continues to control that party. >> that is my question to you, mr. rasmussen. if donald trump is still able to and command extra governmental violent forces and they still answer to him and some members of congress answer to him as well, how much danger are we in? >> that is the key take away they did over the weekend. they talked about a situation where you have the professionals, including the fbi director speaking precisely and clearly about what they see domestic extremist threat, and yet you had a justice department, a department of homeland security that was misdirecting, look over here at antifa, and police violence, and instead, the preponderance of
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the risk we face, domestic terrorism, is tied to far white groups, and the groups they get from a political leader, not something they to sh be comfortable with. a wink, a nod, something they are acting in accord, a leader in public office wants. that should be unacceptable. >> yeah, indeed, and some of the people are still in the united states senate and the house right now. katie benner, great reporting, nicholas rasmussen, thank you both so much. up next, biden getting his $1.9 trillion covid relief package through congress. republican senators just finished a meeting with president biden. they demand he gut his own bill. plus, the former president's
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impeachment lawyers bailing on him because he still wants to sell his election fraud lie, and the party does just that, traffic in lie. >> let's take a look at the last four years. how far we have come in a bad way, how backwards looking we are. how much we peddle darkness and division. >> back with more of the "reid out" after this. ♪♪ dad, i'm scared. ♪♪ it's only human to care for those we love. and also help light their way. ♪♪ it's why last year chevron invested billions of dollars
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as we sit here right now, president biden just ended a nearly two-hour meeting with ten republican senators on covid relief. there was no agreement was senator susan collins said it was productive. >> it was an excellent meeting and we are appreciative that his first meeting in the oval office that the president chose to
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spend so much time with us in a frank and useful discussion. >> two weeks ago biden unveiled his $1.9 trillion proposal, a new round of checks, a bump in the minimum wage to $15 an hour and hundreds of billions of dollars for state and local schools, and vaccine production. the republicans said no dice. they presented a much, much smaller, $618 similar stimulus package. it does not include $15 minimum wage. they are offers less in stimulus and less in insurance. democrats on the hill are prepared to go at it alone.
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chuck schumer began to reconciliation to pass the plan with a majority. joining me now is senator cory booker. i will put up a list of those who met with the president. it's your round robin. the mitt romneys, susan collins, rob portman. it's no democrats in there. it was not bipartisan. it was a meeting that they said throw your plan out, and do ours. >> i celebrate the president of the united states meeting with people across the aisle to have constructive dialogue. four years ago, trump wasn't doing that. and the affordable care act. he was moving unilaterally to do a muslim ban.
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he was moving to give the largest tax break, to give a tax break to the wealthiest of people and corporations. i wish we saw that bipartisanship. in the worst economic crisis since world war ii, where it's the most unequal recession in the modern era. we cannot afford to scrap the most vulnerable among us. we have 40 million americans who go to bed food insecure and we have challenges facing states that are laying off literally thousands of critical workers, firefighters and police and more. this is the time to act big and
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i am hoping our republican colleagues will come to the table to work with us on a very large plan. >> you know, i will stipulate i am far more petty than you or joe biden. that is why i'm not in politics. but when you read me that long list of things that donald trump came in and do unilaterally, his base has like a negative obsession with muslim. they have a negative obsession with nonwhite immigrants. they have negative obsessions with all kind of things, and he said, i hurt those people. watch me hurt them. the cruelty was the point. he didn't ask you, senator booker, is it okay with you? you have joe biden coming in, the 80 million people who voted for him voted for help. they didn't vote for susan collins to not be concerned about it. isn't it -- let me play for you
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this is joe biden, senator jon tester, and chuck schumer saying what they were going to do. take a listen. >> i support passing covid relief with support from republicans, if we can get it. but the covid relief has to pass, no ifs, ands or buts. >> i don't think 1.9 trillion, even though it's a boat load of money, is too much money. now is not the time to starve the economy. >> it makes no sense to pinch pennies when so many americans are struggling. the risk of doing too little is greater than doing trooch. >> a snap benefit increase, and more money to get to the $29,000, you have a child tax credit you want to see put in. isn't it better politics to just
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pass it? >> again, we have to pass that. you say the tax credit. let me be clear. he has a cutting of black poverty in the country, latino poverty, by half. that is dramatic. i agree, we made commitments to these things. we need to do it. i do not want to tell you i do not want to become a party that just uses trump tactics. let's pass and do what we have to do, but i don't want to shame anybody for sitting at the table and trying to find common ground. we need to do more of that. right now, i'm telling you, we have reconciliation f we have to go to that to save the american economy. some americans have done really well. and you to save a third of the brothers and sisters, these are the things we must do. i'm telling you, i do not want biden to with like trump. but i want him to pass this
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legislation with us, but yet at the same time, try to reach out to the republicans we can, and find the common ground. and by the way, there is a lot of common ground. i think we are going to get a lot done. we are going to get a lot done on infrastructure. there is common ground. it agree with you, right now, the pain in this country, the unemployment, the people who are -- don't know where their next meal is going to come from, the people who are facing layoffs. we just lost another 100,000 jobs. these are things we cannot ignore. the big challenge demands a big response. >> i will stipulate, this is why you're in politics, sir, and i am not. my goal is just pass and it let the republicans cry about it later. senator cory booker, i hope the strategy works. thank you very much. >> thank you.
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some money. we have too many people hurting. we have to get ourselves out of the mess and it's the way we need to go right now. >> believe it or not, that is trump-loving formally democratic but now republican governor of west virginia jim justice making the case for biden's -- joe biden's $1.9 trillion relief package. he joins millions of americans across the country that are calling for action right now. joining me now is bishop william barber. i don't know if you were able to hear my conversation with senator booker. he is a really good guy. he's a great guy, and he wants there to be more peace in the world. so he and joe biden, also a good man, they want there to be a coming together on the idea of helping people. but we ain't getting there. you're getting republicans saying give people a little money, and biden saying, no, give them a lot of money, a lot of help, and the republican governor, he is now to the left of joe manchin on this.
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how do you -- how do we come down on this? it's moral monday. give us direction. >> i'm just coming off a call with tens of thousands of people on the first of 14 national mall tomorrow morning, talking about respect us, pay us, one fair wage. people are sick and tired of this. the governor is right. it's hitting people in appalachia. that is what he's saying. if you want to be serious, i didn't come to bring peace, i came to bring a sword when it comes to injustice. there is no compromise for the 5 or $6 trillion the banks or corporations got. we can't have it on the backs of the poor. it's not about being like trump. it's doing what's right. it's passing what needs to be passed and doing what is right right now. people are hurting. we need a full covid relief.
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why? because we cannot have people who are the first infected, the first forced to go back to work, the first to get sick and get die, the last ones to get wages and health care. we know right now, joy, 39% of americans can afford a $1,000 emergency. we know these things. i look at tom tillis from north carolina, he blocked a voter suppression law, and he blocked -- you can't compromise with that. that is actually immoral to always be compromising on the back of poor people. the reality is f we pass 50
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million people would be lifted. $300 billion would go to the economy. we have places -- i have to stop. voters voted for a living page. they are not compromising. they are taking prisoners and hurting people. and democrats need to do what is right. not be like trump. just do what is right. >> well, the one thing, you know, the be like trum argument is the reason that people liked trump. he didn't call it a politician and he would hurt the people he wanted to see hurt. and he hurt them. he didn't compromise with democrats. he didn't ask for permission to hurt them. and his base loved it. i wonder if we look for opportunities for democrats to help with the same energy that you saw trump hurt people. you saw john ossoff and raphael
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warnoff, it's really not the same. shouldn't democrats -- isn't -- you're not a little guy. but isn't it the better message to say, here is the $2,000, and a $15 minimum wage. you're welcome. >> listen, i preach, and the scripture is repairing the breach. the first thing is stop unjust practices and do what is right. you ran on 2,000, you ran on $15. you ran on health care, to aggress systemic racism, and poor people voted for you and you got the senate and the house. do what is right. 70% of the people want this.
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people are hurting before covid. you have more than 140 million people in the country that are poor and low wealth. and where we might do 15 but we do it in six years. excuse me, but what the hell? six years, five years and you have temp workers. they want to write off the temp workers. that is 70% of temp workers are women. they are the people we told to go back to work. they couldn't get employment because $2 and change doesn't give them income. 6 million tip workers lost their job. we need to pay everybody $15 an hour now, and it's 57 years now. and the march on washington, they asked for $2, it's ridiculous for the folks who have health care, they high salaries for working in the
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congress and senate, to get in back rooms -- worse than not having democrats in the room. they didn't have poor folk in the room. they don't have low wage workers in the room. they are treating people like they are numbers, and i am shaying to schumer and nancy pelosi, the democrats, do what is right. we can't wait. people were hurting before covid, and one study said, it will take ten years now for poor and low wealth people to recover now. people don't have that -- it's so wrong. if you want to have tranquility, establish justice. >> indeed. steve went ahead and wrote the joes and joe manchin is more upset that kamala harris is on in his case.
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bar licenses. that is what is going on. the normal work a day lawyers refuse to take up a big lie to the one-time president cannot pretending he won the election. and the lawyers conducting that theater will be typical characters from the trump uniyors. david schoen consult candidate jeffrey epstein before he died, and former pennsylvania district attorney bruce castor known for defeating bill cosby. if that sounds like tomfoolery, the same drama is playing out inside the house of representatives are some republicans are focused on removing liz cheney from her leadership position for voting
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to impeach trump, and qanon marjorie greene from georgia. and a party is in trafficking lies and he started a new campaign to take it back from the the maga extremists, and mitch mcconnell blasted margie q's loony lies and conspiracy theories as a quote cancer for the republican party. i'm joined by sara long well, and fernand ammandi, a nbc political analyst. congratulations, fernand. wonderful to have you both here. i'm going to go ladies first. sarah, i heard the news that mitch mcconnell is trying to stand up for rational people and
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saying the qanon lady is maybe out to lunch. my questions, as the producers were telling me this, who has a bigger constituency in the republican base? mitch mcconnell or her? >> it's funny that mitch mcconnell called her cancer. i think that donald trump is the cancer on the republican party and now, you have far too many republicans who believe and are -- look, people want to talk about marjorie taylor greene because she says all these crazy conspiracy things. but what is she talking about? it's that the election was stolen. and you know who else believes that? kevin mccarthy, senator ted cruz and donald trump himself. he is the leader of the party and he talked to marjorie taylor greene this weekend and he gave her, according to her, his full
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support. if you look at kevin mccarthy, he is mb critical of liz cheney that he has been on marjorie taylor greene. >> my guess is, i don't think kevin mccarthy believes that. i think that kevin mccarthy is willing to say that. nobody really thinking they believe the election is stolen. they are saying it because they are enslaved to the former president. you come from a state where your governor is enslaved to the former president. isn't that the issue? it's some of the people who don't believe this stuff are willing to sell it. >> joy, that is exactly right. i mean, they are also enslaved to the fear of a primary challenge, let's be honest. it comes down to darwinistic republican bare knuckle politics, and two weeks ago when donald trump was still the president, and had the power of presidency, what explains the behavior is a continuing
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death wish that the republican party has. we saw today, former members, can't take it anymore, and now, with donald trump this way, we have left the party. we have seen figures come out of colorado thousss of republicans and colorado have left the party. this is the sign of what's to come. and what they have to do here, joy, is take advantage and make a vote, to have the qanon congresswoman, to see if they should be expelled, putting them
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on the record, making them comfortable, that is the quickest way you see action and try to get some of the republicans just through the power of politics to fold, and get away from trumpism. >> sarah, to your point, you ha with trump, i'm going to meet with -- she's waving him like a bloody shirt in front of the other republicans. that says to me when the impeachment trial begins, his lawyers, this new crop of strange lawyers, are going to make this a referendum on whether or not each and every single republican is willing to sign on again publicly to the big lie. in your view, isn't that going to be essentially the death nell for the normal george bush era republican party because they're all going to have to say, yes, sir, yes, sir, mr. trump, sir, we believe the big lie. that's what the impeachment is going to be about. >> yeah, it is absolutely going to be the new litmus test for whether or not you're sufficiently loyal to trump. it is just too bad, because
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republicans have this huge opportunity, in this impeachment trial to put a stake through donald trump's political future, they could rid themselves of the trump problem. they just need to vote to impeach him and that would -- keep him from running in the future. and just the fact they won't take that shot, they won't take that chance, it shows you that they believe that they can't win without him. i'll tell you what, they are putting themselves between a rock and a hard place, because there are a whole bunch of suburban voters who do not want to be in a political coalition with marjorie taylor greene, they just don't. >> this is my question then, i'll leave it to you ferdinand, among other great things you're a really great pollster, can you envision the republican party bifurcating into two parties. there used to be the thing call the whig. that doesn't exist anymore. are there enough voters to sustain two parties on that side? >> your question is the right question. it is the existential question
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really for the party and the republic. remember, today, the republican party is the party of authoritarianism, anybody else is the party of democracy. so that question we won't necessarily be able to answer until the 2022 midterms. i think if there is another democratic gain election there, you'll start to see the republican party splinter. remember also one thing, going back to the polls, today, only ten days into the mission, joe biden already has a higher approval rating from the american public than donald trump had at any moment in these four years, which is why it is incumbent on the democrats to put the pedal to the metal, be aggressive here and force republicans to make some of the difficult decisions and i think you will see the fortunes change in the future. >> yeah. it is going to be fascinating to watch. buckle up, everybody. sarah longwell, ferdinand
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plus, for a limited time, ask how to get a $500 prepaid card when you upgrade. switch today. today is the first day of black history month. and we want to take a moment to discuss the origin story of the month itself. in 1926, historian and author dr. carter g. woodson initiated the first negro history week,
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celebrating -- selecting a week in february that included the birthdays of frederick douglas and abraham lincoln, two key figures who played prominent roles in a particular aspect of black history, the quest to end slavery. the era of the first negro history weeks was one of massive change for black americans. many of whom had fled dire living conditions in the south for factory jobs in the north, where they soon would find themselves in sometimes ugly battles for available blue collar jobs with white ethnic immigrants from parts of europe, like italy and ireland and germany. the harlem renaissance was in full swing and soon the jazz age would be too, creating an era of epic black cultural achievement. and yet racism touched nearly every aspect of black life. and soon would come the anti-lynching movement, that led to the civil rights movement, and eventually the passage of the civil rights and voting rights acts. president gerald ford officially recognized black history month
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in 1976, the year of america's bicentennial. i was still in elementary school where denver public schools would bus us to this downtown program that encouraged us to celebrate ourselves in multiculturism once black history month was a thing before. that, the place we got the most affirmation as black kids was often on "sesame street," and from black history icons like the reverend jesse jackson. >> my face is different. >> my face is different. >> my hair is different. >> my hair is different. >> but i am -- >> but i am -- >> somebody. >> somebody. >> i am somebody. a simple yet vital lesson, which was also the crux of sojourner truth's message in her fame ous speech about black and women's rights in 1851. much has changed since that speech in akron, but so much has not. our children are still dying, 60 years after emmitt till's
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killers were acquitted by an all white jury, tamir rice, an unarmed child was killed by a white police officer. the drive to erase black history continues, a bill has been introduced in the mississippi senate that would withhold state funds from any school teaching from the 1619 project, lincoln and douglas would roll in their graves. black americans are getting vaccinated at lower rates than white americans, gop voter suppression efforts are ramping up in georgia and arizona and more, and still, video after video of black men and women and children getting killed or abused by police, progress isn't always linear, it can feel fragile and reversible. it is why we witnessed a white supremacist mob attacking our capitol, two weeks after the first black woman vice president took her oath and one day after georgia elected its first black and jewish senators. there is still so much work to do. our need for an intensive self-examination when it comes to race didn't stop in november
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2020 or november 2008 or in 1976. so let's honor the father of black history, by calling for action well beyond february 28th, while uplifting black excellence and black joy, this day, and the next. happy black history month. and that's tonight's "reidout," "all in with chris hayes" starts now. tonight on "all in," one week before the second trial of trump, ugly new details about the impeached former president's role in the capitol insurrection, and why multiple networks report more lawyer trouble. >> oh, my goodness. all the networks. wow! >> then republicans look the other way as democrats deliver an ultimatum over marjorie taylor greene. plus, senator bernie sanders on the bipartisan support for the president's covid bill. and as a super bowl approaches, how the nfl's discovery
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