is there is also the real possibility that their owner who enjoys spending time at mar-a-lago would like to continue spending time there. in the chop foam pillow community mike lindell is a pretty big deal. that is our broadcast for this wednesday night. on behalf of all of my colleagues at the networks of nbc news, good night. >> here is an interesting thing. sort of a personal thing but also a news thing. right before president trump was impeached the first time, i published a book call blow out because it ended up being oddly

well timed. that is how it landed. a book about the oil and gas industry and a big chunk of the book was about the craziness and the corruption in the ukraine. then it was the playing field. i didn't intend it to land it that way. well, now of course mr. trump is being impeached for a second time. and it is kind of uncanny, a lot of the things that i wrote about in the book that came out in the first trump impeachment. the whole reason that i wrote the book is because we were consistently underestimating the sway of this one industry.

how much sway it has over politicals and governments here and around the world. i thought there was a need for a explainer and how the industry could explain. if something is happening that does not make sense on the surface it helps to look at the industry and see if they are maybe the hidden hand, when politics fail or governments are bad. this is a place to look. one thing to say here is the hidden power that is making it possible or impossible and calling the shots here. but to understand the dynamic well enough so that when the hidden hand weakens and the

power behind the throne collapses for some reason, you can anticipate what type of changes that might mean, understanding the real power at work means knowing what would happen when the power shuts off. i meant it to be a heads up for the oil and gas industry being a powerful entity. but if and when the bottom fell out of the industry, be prepared and ready to go. a lot of things are going to change. a lot of those things will become possible. that was the sort of warning i was trying to sound about the oil and gas industry during the

first impeachment. the bottom has fallen out of that industry. right after blow out was published. what happened? the coronavirus crisis hits worldwide. that immediately walloped the oil and gas industry like nothing ever ins it history hit them before. the floor just dropped below them. at one point early on in the coronavirus crisis, the price of a barrel of oil was negative and it cost less than zero dollars to buy a barrel of online. over the course of the pandemic it hasn't gotten better.

yesterday exxon-mobil posted their worst earnings in 40 years. not long ago exxon was the most profitable. four straight quarters losing money for them. now they lose more than $61 million every day they stay in operation. this was the headline in the business section of the "new york times." the oil country confronts a diminished future. they face broad questions now about how they will adapt to climate change and regulations. that book that i wrote, blow out, has tried to document how the oil and gas industry cut out

democracy and how the strength and the incredible financial resources of the industry stopped us from making the easiest reforms. now the mighty industry is sucking wind. stuff is changing. it seems like a whole new world is possible. i mean listen to this from today. this is senator chuck schumer who as of today is running the united states senate. this is him announcing today what they are getting to work on in the united states senate now the democrats have control as of day one. >> senate democrats are not going to waste any time taking on the biggest challenges facing our country and our planet. climate change touches every aspect of the economy.

as the biden administration prepares their approach the democratic majority will pursue a whole of senate approach as well. he is assigning every committee in the u.s. senate to assign climate legislation. the biden administration are going to pursue multiple efforts to make the country take a big shift on climate. long overdue and easy measures. today pete buttigieg, one of the best communicators in a generation of democratic talent was sworn in. he will be overseeing the transformation of the huge fleet of federal victories to all electric vehicles.

i will tell you right now, the best super bowl ad you will see on sunday is the will farrell/keenan thompson ad. and this new battery they are putting in 30 models of cars. it is happening. it is happening, all at once. now when the worst opponent of us getting together on climate are collapsing or so rocked back on their heels that some of even the big oil companies are trying to decide if they might switch sides and try to be good guys on the issue for once. when your opposition collapses like that, it is time to run the field. and a democratic president is in office committing to this as a top priority.

both the united states house and senate. when democrats campaigned on the fact they were go to move on this issue. it is happening and it is happening because the bad guys t issue have collapsed. happening because of the suddenly sagging fortunes of what previously until a year ago was the richest, most destructive industry on the planet. that is what the book that i wrote is about. the full title is blowout. and apparently this book is going to come out again every single time donald trump gets impeached. came out in hardback when he got impeached the first time. this time it came out in paperback for the first time. if he gets impeached a third time it will have to be released on a wax disk. anyway, if you go to

msnbc.com/blowout it is all there in case you are interested. but it feels a little uncanny. and as i mentioned, today republicans and democrats in the senate did finally sign the rules that allow the democrats to take charge and start running all of the committees. democrats won the two georgia senate race a month ago. republicans have dragged their feet allowing the democrats to take over and start to work in the senate. it was a week and a half ago he still dragged it out another week and a half. not until today he agreed to sign over power to the

democrats. mitch mcconnell reason to go as fast as possible. the republicans stole a month from them and now they get to go double time and now they get to start. house democrats moving to move biden's big covid relief bill as of tonight. house republicans spent all day and night having a big fight in their party about which members

of congress they should punish for unconsciousable acts and how they should be punished and exactly what counts as unconsciousable anymore. tonight liz cheney of "wild mountain thyme," -- she was 1 of 10 house republicans that voted to impeach president trump for inciting the violent attack on the capitol on january 6th. dozens voted she should be kicked out of her leadership job for daring to cross donald trump. so she will stay in her role as the number three house republican. tonight 145 republicans voted to keep liz cheney in leadership. tonight's vote was a secret

ballot. like i said, make of it what you will. but the other colleague of theirs, house republicans are grappling with tonight is the freshman congressman from paul george, marjorie taylor greene. if you consumed any news coverage you are more than familiar with congresswoman greene and everything unearthed about her views and public statements. endorsing social media posts advocating putting a bullet in house speaker pelosi's head to a conspiracy theory about the

california wildfires saying they were started by lasers from space controlled by shadowy jewish group and that it should really be looked into. all of this on top of the fact she is a proponent of the qanon conspiracy theory, the same conspiracy about satan worshiping pedophile, child blood drinking lizard people that motivated a lot of the rioters that attacked the capitol on january 6th. a theory she pro pounded and predicts a violent resurrection of the trump presidency and public execution of prominent democrats and celebrities and figures from the news media. public executions. they want them in public. they want everybody to see them. in the wake of the january 6th attack some members of congress say they feel physically unsafe around congresswoman greene and

one person asked to have their office moved away out of concerns for her safety after a couple of run-ins with her. and this does not really have to be hard for house republicans. they do have a playbook they wrote themselves for handling something like this and one they used recently. only two years ago that steve king of iowa found himself wandering aloud to a "new york times" reporter what is so wrong with the word white nationalist and white supremacist. why did they become such a bad thing. even though steve king had been acting that way forever, republicans decided they just had enough. and the house republican leader, kevin mccarthy got his caucus to strip steve king of his committee assignments, kicked off of the committees and treated like a pariah. he ended up twidling his thumbs for the rest of the term and a republican primary against him

in which he was soundly defeated. that was it for steve king's political career. they know how to do this. democrats control the house. take care of this problem with marjorie taylor greene saying nancy pelosi should be shot and jews are controlling space accounting for the wildfires. take care of this problem that you have with marjorie taylor greene the way you did with steve king. she wasn't musing aloud about whether words are good or bad the way steve king was. she is leading to a violent attack on the capitol and that ats it heart is about executing democrats. for being democrats. democrats are saying, listen, do what you did with steve king. strip her of her committee assignments or i guess we will have to do it for you.

democrats have been incensed that they put greene on the education committee. put her on the education committee. house republicans haven't been able to bring themselves to use the steve king playbook. maybe it efs the supportive phone calls greene claimed to have received from donald trump. but kevin mccarthy after meeting with her yesterday in which she was not at all contrite. he put out a statement that did not announce any action on congresswoman greene and attacked democrats for their criticism of her. tonight the house rules committee approved a resolution to strip greene of her committee assignments. the same punishment that befell steve king. the full house will vote on it

tomorrow meaning all house republicans will be forced to go on the record to support marjorie taylor greene or not. voting to go on the whether as to whether you can serve as a republican member of congress after calling for the execution of the speaker of the house. very few members of congress are actively defending greene. they are arguing process saying if democrats remove her from committees. that is a bad thing for the other party to do. whatever party controls congress they can remove the other parties members from the committee. democrats do not seem swayed by the argument. here is jim mcgovern of massachusetts during tonight's hearing. >> if the president will be somebody advocating putting a bullet in the head of a member of congress, and if that is going to be the new determination as to what it takes to throw people off of committees, i am fine with that.

i am fine with that. >> yeah. i am fine with that. can we all agree on that. if you call for putting bullets in the heads of other members of congress, that is the line. republican members of congress. does that seem like a precedent? i think democrats are comfortable with that being a precedent. guess we will find out when all members of the house will have to vote on it tomorrow. house democrats are trying to walk and chew gum at the same time and they have teed up this vote tomorrow. at the same time they are moving ahead on big covid relief bill. the house voted towards taking the first step towards passing president biden's relief bill. he hosted senate democrats in the oval office. his message to them is act fast and go big. the president reportedly saying that basically the main thing congress has to be worried about with covid relief is not doing

enough. not going big enough with this effort saying they are not going to shrink it down or dilute it even if republicans continue to complain they don't like it. the main reason the president and democrats want to go big is because they think that it is good policy and that it will help the most americans in the most direct and sustainable and robust ways possible. that is why they don't want the bill to be less effective than they can be. the other reason they feel comfortable saying let's go big. it is very popular what they are trying to do. president biden as a brand-new president is popular individually. his popularity is nothing compared to the popularity of the covid relief he and democrats are pursuing. a new poll out there finding 68% of americans support some $1.9 trillion covid relief package the president put forward. 68%. the $1,400 in direct aid

stimulus checks, that is supported by 78% of americans. ask americans if they support increasing the federal minimum wage to $15. support for that among americans is at 61%. a wildly popular covid relief bill. >> every aspect of it. with congressional democrats working tonight to get it past in lou and a senate putting it in motion. that is what the biden administration is doing legislatively to get the country relief from the hardship imposed by the pandemic, funding vaccination efforts and getting schools to reopen safely and all of this other stuff. incredibly popular. every aspect of it. yes. they are emboldened by mass public support for what they are doing not to compromise and to weaken their proposals. moving forward with what they want to do and what they believe

is right and what the public is behind. and you know, i mean with the crisis that we are in with covid, it is clear at least nobody questions why they shouldn't be doing this first. seeing them going ahead, refusing to be slowed down or be put off track. that seems appropriate. and the public supports it. the other thing president biden is doing is having to build out a new federal response to covid. want response that existed before biden took over was such a disaster. to the extent it existed it was terrible. the gcht accountability office released a report saying how bad the trump administration's response to covid was. the investigators were horrified by what they were seeing when they started looking in detail at what the trump administration did. a government watchdog study from

a generally stayed audit agency amounts to a wide reaching condemnation of president trump's response to the covid-19 pandemic. broad failures so alarming the normally circspect auditors pronounced themselves deeply troubled constituting a anguished cry on a agency that gets just the facts, dull reports. among the things, they kept telling the trump administration how many things needed to be done that were not getting done and the trump administration did not respond to any of that and didn't get any better or take any action in response to clear recommendation busy things they were doing wrong or needed to improve. they started bad and they got worse over time, even when they were told there are things they can specifically do to improve, they ignored them and continued to get worse. as we have reported extensively here over the last few months, one of the most heartbreaking

failures of the trump administration is what they did to the cdc, which should be our star as who we follow and trust and world class public health advice and guidance, about how to handle something like the coronavirus pandemic. cdc has been up until this administration the premier public health agency in the world. the world gold standard. what the trump administration did to it was repulsive. for an agency so needed and that should have been ats it apex of its capacity to meet the most challenging moment in health in years, trump administration cut them off at the knees. the mismatch that was needed was revolting. reaching down to the level of

scientists. an outbreak at a south dakota meat processing plant, telling scientists to change their language so the meat plant would not be told by cdc what they should do to keep their workers safe. burying cdc guidance on letting schools reopen safely. cdc scientific guidance edited by the president's daughter, ivanka trump. andly an conway too. because why shouldn't she? having a director at cdc who let that happen and did not publicly sound the alarm or resign and personally bent to the white house's will and let the scientific work of the once great agency be infected by the white house. that is a big part of what went wrong with this horrific

pandemic in this country. a big part of how we have 4% of the world's population and 25% of the world's deaths. how do you fix that? first thing you do is hire a new cdc director. joe biden chose one of the hiv and aids researchers in the country to lead the cdc the announcement was met with mass enthusiasm and relief from her colleagues in the medical field. one colleague summed it up saying the news sent me into a public health euphoria. welcome back cdc. welcome back cdc. we need you. the new director of the cdc will join us for the interview here next. e interview here next

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switch today. the cdc over decades had earneds it reputation as the globally renowned agency for guidance. during the coronavirus pandemic this past year the trump administration silenced and censored scientists at the cdc and promoted the view of

political appointees unqualified to be making those. it was a bastardization of the cdc's control at a time we needed them the most. it was clear early on whoever the president tapped to run the agency would need to turn the tide of the pandemic and restoring the cdc to what it should be. a tough task. it is a real honor and a pleasure to have suhere and thank you so much for having me. >> thank you so much. i am delighted to be here with you. >> i am intimidated by the scale of the task ahead of you. >> me too. >> not only because of the crisis that we are in. >> good, you're human. obviously the scale of the public health challenge, and the organizational challenge you have got given what the cdc has been through for the past week. how are you thinking about the task ahead? >> you know, as you say i think

it is a two-prong task. i have to take care of the people that are doing the hard work, and they have been for many of them career public health officials. stewards of the health of the nation and really of the world. i have to take care of them, because they are doing the hard work that is about to protect the rest of the country and has been working to protect the rest of the country. in truth, there hasn't been massive turnover of the wonderful personnel who are working there. they have been muzzled. they have been beaten down. but they are still there, and they are working hard, long hours over 8,000 of them have been working towards covid-19 over the last year. 1,500 of them have been deployed to 250 cities across the nation and the world. and they are still there doing the work of public health and reviewing the assistance and making sure that the science gets heard. >> i feel i don't have the same

worries the trump administration will do to you and cdc under you that the kinds of problems we saw under the trump administration. i don't feel like we need to protect cdc and protect your independence in the way that needed to happen during the trump administration, but i also feel like the solution to what we saw happen to your crucial agency over the last year can't be, you know, let's never do that again. let's hope we always have good presidents and we always respect the guidelines in the future. are there things that need to change so those problems do not happen again. are there protections and you your colleagues need in case things take an ugly turn like that again? >> absolutely. i think we need to protect our science. we need to make sure that there is no finger hold over the mmwr or the science that is produced. that we have the final say in that science. i was very clear before i took

the position that they would hear the science from me. it might not be good news all of the time. we had to maintain humility in terms of what we were learning. science teaches us all of the time. we will review the guidance. we will make sure that the guidance is up-to-date. that the soft language that might have been there is now turned to the hard language that the science needs to report. you know, quite honestly i do think that i need to -- you know not everything was done perfectly. we need to acknowledge the places we misstepped and where we can learn and what might have been done improperly or could have been done better. we need to review that so the best time we are in this position we can do better the next time. >> let me ask you about the layman's translation of the variations and the mutations of the virus that seem to be affecting the transmissibility

and susceptibility to vaccines. for us, the public who have been listen to guidance from people like you about wearing masks and about social distance and the other things that we can do to try to slow and to stop transmission. is there anything that we need to do differently because of the existence of the variants that we have not already been doing? any sign of the public health guidance we have been given about how to protect ourselves and others might not be effective against those variants? >> yeah. it is a great question. you hear the word mutation and everybody thinks of a science fiction movie. we know viruses mutate and change their genetic code. they mutate frequently. we expected mutations and variants. usually when there is a variant that becomes predominant it is because it has an advantage to the virus. whether it isingly

transmissable or because it can escape our vaccines and our treatments. we know some of the variants have increased trance missibility and there is increasing data that suggests some of the variants may actually be leading to increased mortality. the jury is out with regard to how the vaccines are going to work against the variants. we have to follow the science, and we are learning more and more about whether our public health measures or mitigation measures, mask wearing and distancing will be fully effective against the variants. we have every reason to believe that they will. the more case reporting that we are looking at with the variants that are emerging the more we are finding is happening when masks and distance were not happening. it is the same disease, and we

believe right now if you follow the mask and the distance guidance and the lack of gathering and you don't gather that you should be protected against these variants. what we know is that they will be less forgiving when we don't follow the guidance. >> okay. and do you think that we should expect that there needs to be another big scientific lift in this country in terms of sequencing the virus when people get infected and tracking the variants and indeed potentially developing vaccination boosters or adaptations that account for it? i feel like scientists got us to the moon in a matter of a very short period of time in terms of getting us safe and effective vaccines. do we need to go to mars. will it be a heavy lift to contend with the additional complications here? >> the answer is that we don't know but we can't be wrong so we are doing all of those things.

increased sequencing. we increased it tenfold in the last two weeks. we are looking to the moderna and pfizer to try to create boosters and vaccines in case that we need to go there because when we need to be at mars we need to be there when the time comes. >> you said something today about reopening schools and teachers. you said teachers don't necessarily need to be vaccinated before schools can safely reopen and the comments caused a lot of discussion and consterination among people that i know. i would like to take a quick break right here. i am warning you in advance i will ask you about that when we come back if you can stick around. >> absolutely. >> all right. we will be right back with the new director of the cdc. stay with us. the new director of the cdc. stay with us

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about schools. yes teachers are in the 1b category of essential workers, but i want to be clear that there is increasing data to suggest that schools can safely reopen and the safe reopening does not suggest that teachers need to be vaccinated in order to reopen safely. >> joining us once again is dr. rochelle walensky, the new director of the cdc. dr. walensky, thank you again for being here and it is a real honor to have you. the comments at the covid briefing from the white house got a lot of attention and i think broadly speaking i am not a teacher. i know a lot of teachers. i feel like teachers are worried that even if kids are not high risk, if they get infected at school, many of the teachers feel like they are at high risk. why is it not a prerequisite? >> thank you for raising this

and thank you for discussing this. i want to be very clear about what the science shows and what i believe in how that we should prioritize. thereis accumulating data something there is not a lot of transmission happening in schools when the proper mitigation levels are taken. masking, distancing, dedensification of the classroom, ventilation, contact tracing, hand washing. all of those things when done well the data and the science suggests there is not a lot of transmission in schools and that the case rates in schools are generally lower than they are in the population surrounding it. that is what the data and the science suggests. we want the rates of disease going down. but it suggests it is safe to go

back to school if you do all of the mitigation levels. they have prioritized teachers as essential personnel because they are essential to our society's function. so they fall in the 1b category and should be prioritized as essential workers for vaccination. that can be true. i can believe that to be true. i can emphasize that i believe teachers should be vaccinated. but i think that the science tells us if we do the proper mitigation levels and if we have the funding to do the proper mitigation, that we can reopen schools safely even if all of the teachers are not vaccinated. >> will cdc do detailed guidance that will, if it is seen as what

it takes to safely reopen schools. >> they are working on that actively now and it should be forthcoming. we know that guidance is essential. >> okay. now i have to ask you on that point though, we have had a political promise, a campaign promise from president biden that one of his goals for the first 100 days is that he wants schools to reopen. i mean maybe i am once bitten twice shy given what happened with the trump administration in the past year. is it reasonable to be suspicious of cdc guidance on reopening schools, given that the president has said that schools should reopen. if cdc scientists find that scientifically actually it is hard to safely reopen schools and maybe we shouldn't be doing so much in-person learning will the president let you say that publicly? >> i think all of what you are saying is consistent. the biden administration and i agree with it believe that

schools should be the last thing to close and the first thing to open. that administration and i agree with it believing that there should be adequate funding to believe that all of the mitigation measures are in place in schools and should be prioritized in schools so that we can get the schools open. and then there should be funding for testing in schools and funding for resources of vaccinations of teachers. all of those are consistent and i think what the plan tells us is that this is a priority. we have to get our children back to school. >> in terms of the most vulnerable people and people experiencing the highest rates of infection on the job. your predecessor, sorry to say it this way, but he tampered with a report on covid transmission at a meat packing plant, ordering investigators to water down findings and recommendations.

thereafter, after we reported that we learned the meat packing industry had effectively drafted the president's executive order, mandating that meat packing plants must stay open even if local or state health authorities want to shut them down for public health reasons. that is a disaster given how many thousands of people that work in the meat packing industry got infected and how many died. should we expect a revision of that? seems like the process there was so corrupted. >> we intend to do a full review of all of the guidance to ensure that it fully follows the science and that it has been reviewed by subject matter experts. what i can tell you is that we are stewards of public health. we want to make sure that the workers in the meat packing plants are safe. we want to make sure that the food is safe for the american people. the department of labor has put forward guidance to make sure

that those workers are safe and they are guidance that should look at infection control policies within the meat packing plants to make sure that all of the documents and the guidance for the workers are in multiple languages so that they can fully understand them. and yes, we intend to fully make sure that the science is leading us. >> dr. rochelle walensky, the new director of the centers for disease control. ma'am, thank you for what you are doing, and i will reiterate how intimidated i am by the task ahead of you. but if you get stepped on and the scientists at cdc for any reason feel like you are not able to say what you think needs to be done. if you get into politically uncomfortable positions with the new administration, which i don't expect, please know you have an open door here to tell the public what is going on. you will not believe how much support you will get for specific freedom if there is any

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as i mentioned at the top of the show, we are expecting a vote tomorrow on whether or not a new republican member of congress will be stripped from her committee assignments. that vote will take place tomorrow afternoon. house democrats forcing their republican counterparts to respond to what seems to be an escalating series of violent conspiracy-layden and anti-semitic social media posts that congresswoman margely taylor green has made. we have a good idea how democrats will vote on that measure as to whether or not she

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and now the white house does not intervene to stop government officials from coming on the show to stop my questions. i don't know how long it will take to get used to this. i hope it lasts. that does it for us for tonight. thanks to rochelle walensky for being here and i'll see you again tomorrow night. now it's time for the "last word" with lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence. >> good evening, rachel. so i'm wondering is this more or less homework for you? because back when you couldn't get the cdc director you would still have to do stories about it, and you'd have to try to figure out certain things that were not easily apparent. tonight you could actually go into that interview not knowing the answers to the questions because you're going to get actual answers to the questions. >> well, the thing that -- i mean, the thing that changes that you don't have to anticipate what the interviewee is going to say, what they think, or what was their motivation because you can ask them directly. but you still need to know about