hi there, everyone. it's 4:00 in the east. like a suspect who admits he committed the crime after his defense lawyer gets him off, marjorie taylor greene made fools of all but 11 republicans who voted for save the conspiracy theorist in their ranks, the mouthpiece taunting those who voted to remove her in the committees, tweeting, quote -- this will be fun, about herrion again intent to troll her colleges "new york times" headline says it all quarterback house exiles marjorie taylor greene from panels as republicans rally around her. this is how the decision felt for a man who nose all too well that the school shootings greene

describes as a hoch is all too real. he greg gutten berg joined or rachel maddow last night. >> if she wants to keep referring to me as a liberal mob, have it it. i'm a dad. i remember a day in this country not long ago where two parties maybe disagreed on policy and they would argue things out, but they didn't disagree on facts. they didn't disagree on working for the american people. this party today gave up on that. it is shocking. so if they want to keep her around, if they want to continue to give her this platform, it only hurts the bigger party. >> what this means, 199 republicans care more about the qanon vote than victims of mass school shootings. today marjorie taylor greene stated as much, declaring the party takeover officially

complete, as if that wasn't already clear, telling reporters explicitly, quote -- the party is his, donald trump's. it doesn't belong to anyone else. that statementunder scores the warnings from republican senator ben sasse last night in a too little too late screed throwing in against the personality that's engulfed his own party. >> let's be clear the the anger in the state party has never been about any violating principles or abandoning conserve policy. i'm one of the most conservative voters in the senate. the anger has always been simply about me not bending the knee to one guy. something has definitely changed over the last four years, but it's not me. personality cults aren't conservative. conspiracy theories aren't conservative. lying that an election has been stolen, it's not conservative. acting like politics is a religion, it isn't conservative. you are welcome to censure me again, but let's be clear about

why this is happening. it's because i still believe, as you used to, that politics isn't about the weird worship of one dude. the party could purge trump skeptics, but i'd like to convince you that not only is that civic cancer for the nation, it's just terrible for our party. >> the qanon takeover of the gop is where we start today with some of our favorite reporters and friends. jake sherman is back. also joining us charlie sykes, and alicia menendez. jake, i want to start with you. what's so amazing to me is that those of us who cover this -- and ben sasse is right, it's not a shift to the right. it's an up/down things,ist a descent into conspiracy theories and the power appeared grip of

the qanon vote. i feel like this was a mistake in the way we waited with bated breath to see how it turned out. all but ten republicans voted to save her reend. we thought it would be between zero and seven, the only reason it was so many is a bunch of florida republicans, who were not expected to vote with the democrats, did vote with the democrats. there was no suspension. the thing is this -- they're arguing this is not about what she said, but about an institutional concern, and nancy pelosi and steny hoyer reported that as well, if we're setting a new precedent, maybe we should set a new precedent that somebody who jokes about murdering the democratic leadership should not have committee seats. this is not going away, nicolle, because it's not just marjorie

taylor greene who says things that are outside of the mainstream -- not of conservatism, you know this well, nicolle, it's not outside the mainstream of the republican party, but it's outside the mainstream of society, right? these are not things that are not only not acceptable on capitol hill, but if earp to walk into many places in normal society and say you want to murder, you know, a leader of a business or a speaker of the house, or sympathize with those comments, that's bizarre behavior that should be repudiated anywhere. i think kevin mccarthy has a challenge going forward, but it's not only going to be marjorie taylor greene. there's a bunch of other members who in the past have said things. we're having an argument over whether members of congress should be permitted to bring firearms onto the house floor. the things up here -- i'm in the capitol now -- have taken a turn

for the bizarre and dangerous in a way -- we've all been involved in politics a long time. we're talking about bringing firearms onto the house floor and wondering why there needs to be metal detectors. so things have really gotten off the rails. >> it's worth fleshing out something you just said, though, jake sherman. she's not in the position she's in because she's too far right. she's in the position baas they endorsed political assassinations. now, i believe people have been charged and prosecuted for that crime when they said those kinds of things about the last president. i believe it is a crime if you make the kinds of threats that she endorsed for former president obama, hillary clinton and nancy pelosi. where does the comfort come from, to be okay with the violence piece in that building that, as you said, is still a

crime scene and still so fraught and taut that there's tension about whether or not members should be able to carry guns on the floor? >> if you talk and i'm not going to endorse this point of view, just report it here. what republican leadership says, is there needs to be a line. if we could hold people to account for comments that they made before they came to congress, you could think of that what you want. i think that's a blanket statement that doesn't hold value to me, but that's what they say. we could hold everybody accountable for things they said before voters rendered their judgment. if they say it while they're here, we'll take care of it. we'll punish them. january 6th changed everything for everyone up here, including reporters, including members of congress. i mean, our workplace, the capitol was sacked by a bunch of trump supporters who were violent trump supporters, and i

think that -- i had a member tell me, every time they look at marjorie taylor greene, they think of that day and the danger that trump supporters brought to the capitol. >> charlie sykes, i want to put up the names of the 11 republicans lawyers -- i misspoke, i said ten -- as jake said, a lot of them come from florida, who know all too quell the parkland shooting was real. adam kinzinger is an outspoken, did you it's an undistinguished group because of its size. where do we go from here? what's next? >> well, i mean, the number is so significant, you have 11 republicans willing to remove marjorie taylor greene from her

committees, you know, despite her calls for violence, et cetera. the night before, 61 republicans vote to do remove liz cheney for taking a principled stand on impeachment. you know, i am really struck by the political malpractice by kevin mccarthy who has managed to elevate marjorie taylor greene as the face of the republican party. if he had any sense whatsoever of political hygiene, republicans could have taken this on their own. you remember, it was just two years ago that republicans stripped steve king of his seats on the judiciary and agriculture committees because of bigoted comments he made. flash forward, flonl do they not do to marjorie taylor greene what they did to steve king, but they allowed this vote where 199 republicans now are on record say, yeah, we're okay with this person being our party's

representative. look, this is something that the republicans could have done themselves. they could have cleaned house. a lot of these republicans will go back to the district saying we didn't want to set a precedent. the question that should be asked, why didn't you fix it yourself? this has just backfired on them so predictably. she's just rubbing it in their faces, and republicans could have sent the message that this is not who we are, but instead last night, because of that vote and the unwillingness for kevin mccarthy to pull the trigger, because of that vote, they're saying, yeah, marjorie taylor greene is a member in good standing of the republican party. remember that when each of those 199 republicans are on the ballot next year.

>> i want to read you something that conservative republican senator kevin cramer wrote in an op-ed -- what her repugnant comments can teach us all, greene's comments have been characterized as far right. they're not. they're not based on an extremely conservative ideology. they're horrifying and completely untethered to reality. congresswoman greene's remarks are not conservative and allowing them to stand without consequence is unacceptable. the people of georgia should closely consider whether she should continue representing them. they comments and the controversy offer a rare moment when anger is justified and action should be taken. that's not always the case. i understand what he's trying to say here, charlie, but i have to say, as somebody who worked in republican politics my whole

life, the left was right about everything. i'm part of it. i'm not blaming anybody. the left, which has been covered -- and people tried to brand them as the radical left, they've been right about anything. any attempt to say there were two sides here is dead wrong. the republicans is green-lit the conspiracy theorists in their rank by a vote of 199-11, end of story. >> the larger picture here, though, if you're upset about bigotry and conspiracy theories, how do you explain the fact that the republican party, including senator cramer, supported donald trump, and he was the conspiracy theorist in chief. >> and probably will next week. >> that's right. as we're talking here right now, it is less than a month since a conspiracy theory and a lie led to the insurrection at the capitol. donald trump's lie, which had been tolerated and rationalized

for all of those years resulted in what hammond on january 6th. they are not harmless. the failure of republicans to draw a line, to push back, you know, came home to roost, and yet they have learned absolutely nothing from it. but if i can push back here a bit. some republicans, maybe it's to say, look, we are not all marjorie taylor greene. there were at least ten who voled to impeach president trump, if there's any hope for the republican party at all, and i'm very, very skeptical about that, it's going to be people lie ben sasse doing that video, speaking to his constituents and saying, look, we can't do this. we can't go for the crazy. we can't become a cult of personality. the country needs to hear from other republicans saying, okay, that's not what we signed up

for, that's not who we are. unfortunately, because of the that vote last night, that's a hard case to make, because that's who they were last night. >> let me push right back at you on this point. i love what ben sasse said, but why didn't he rally mitch mcconnell to his cause two years ago? it's too little too late. he enacted some of the most cruel and least conservative policies orb country has ever seen, and those people like ben sasse, chris christie, rushing to decontaminate themselves, where were they? they could have stopped him. if mitch mcconnell said i will not confirm another judge until you stop the b.s. -- there are so many off-ramps, and they took none of them. >> ben sasse broke our hearts many times. he went into hiding before he

got reelected. but you know, here's the thing, nicolle. right now, in order to save this country, we are going to need people to see the light. we are going to have to welcome people who in fact are late to the table, because -- >> i hear you. >> look, next week we want to have senators who look at the evidence and will go, you know what? i made a mistake by going along with this guy. i have changed my mind. you know, we ought to say, welcome to the team of putting country over party, as opposed to saying it's too late, who cares what you think? that's their calculation. their calculation is you could do the right thing and i'll bet beaten up. ben sasse could have done more, so could a lot of people, but right now going forward, we need every principled voice saying the bigotry, the conspiracy

theories, the crazy, we need to draw a line and reject it. we need to make a coalition, including a coalition of some converts. >> along those lines, another group that cares about republicans doing the right thing still is the republican accountability project. alicia, this is their ad to try to get senator mcconnell to do the right thing. >> this election was stolen. >> stolen, stolen. >> fraud. >> fraud. >> corrupt. we're going to the capitol to make your voices heard. you will never take back the country with weakness. >> announcer: senator mcconnell, donald trump incited an attack on the capitol. it's up to you to convict and disqualify him. >> do you think that will work? >> no, but i do think there are republican voters who are

watching, who are reminded of the horrors of what happened on january 6th. hopefully for whom it underlines the sheer morality, questions of this moment. you know, nicolle. i go back to the signed you were using earlier of fred guttenberg, thinking of those families from parkland, from new town, who have through through the most unimaginable trauma possible, and it was bad enough when they were dealing with hoaxters considered fringe, they are now inside the u.s. government. how do you measure the emotional costs of being asked to litigate and re-litigate the truth of the murder of your child? that's actually what is happening here. when you talk to a lot of these families, they're incredibly frustrated about the fact these hoaxters who have been out there

for years, have been treated as oddities, strange quirks, when they families were trying to tell us just how dangerous they were. so that is sort of the core question that is there at this moment. this isn't just about raw politics. this is about a real, emotional cost that is being felt in communities right now. >> along those lines, alicia, i want to show you the emotional cost of the insurrection and having someone who cheered on the people responsible for it. let's watch the democrats from last night. >> today's republican party, marjorie taylor greene's world views are violent, anti-black, islam ophobic, anti-semitic, and they're condoned. every single day that goes by without outright condemnation, without consequences for her extremist views is an outright endorsement of white supremacy. >> no parent should ever have to invite a member of congress to

visit their child's grave or touch the bullet-ridden clothing that their child wore to prove that their death actually happened. i vote for the babies who left for school eight years ago and never returned home, and the teachers who died trying to protect them. >> i stand here to tell you, i will stand up to bullies, bullies who threaten students and threaten and celebrate the violence towards our speaker, and our colleagues. conspiracy theories and outrageous lies have no place in the congress, no place in the people's house, no place, no place. >> you know, jake said it's become a bizarre place. it's become sociopathic if it can't understand why there's raw emotion around the threat of violence and denial of some of the most horrific school shootings in our country's history.

>> especially now since they'll see the actualization of the violence. communities have been rocked, especially laid bare in the past few years. and these families, it's bad enough to have one person in congress saying these lies. it's another whole thing to hav party circle wagons around them. my question is, how do you go to voters saying you're upholding some sense of normalcy, some sense of morality, when you're not wilts to call out your own members. it is important for this moment, but it's also important for the historical record that this is all captured, what happened on january 6th is captured, and we as a nation never forget what happened. >> jake, is it just compartmentalization that allow

s some folks to not acknowledge the anger and hurt that's caused by some of the greene's beliefs and comments? >> i would say that's probably right. i think that people, frankly -- i'm struggle to for words here. i'm not a psychologist, but i do think think that people think -- i don't know. i wish i had a better answer for you. >> i don't know is a good answer these days. >> these views are so bizarre. sometimes it's worth just stepping back for a second and thinking about what qanon theory is, that these are crazy things. these are not normal things. i mean, the biggest problem, nicolle, is that not only in the immediate, but marjorie taylor greene will go out and raise $100,000 a day for the foreseeable future and she's going to go back and win her congressional district in north

georgia by 40 points. since the party committee, the national republicans congressional committee doesn't get involved in primaries, they can't even get rid of her if they wanted to. this is a long problem, but it used to have lower consequences. it used to be a lot cheap earp. now it's dangerous. this is somebody who espoused dangerous, dangerous views. everybody realizes that, but they know there's basically nothing they can do to stop it or getry of her. thank you. when we come back, days from the start of the next impeachment trial, democrats are grappling with whether or not to subpoena the former president. we'll talk more about that. and as the republican tear themselves apart, president biden and the democrats are pushing ahead with sweeping legislation to help a suffering nation. and people are very happy with

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with just days to go before the second impeachment, the house impeachment managers have an important question -- should they serve trump with a subpoena

and compel them to testify? democrats who have to sign off on that subpoena, have mixed feelings. >> i think it's a terrible idea. >> if they said president trump to come and testify, then i think that's exactly what he should do. >> do you think that would be a good idea? >> boy, that would be a dog-and-pony show. >> "new york times" reports that there could be an up side for his refusal to testify. his silence also allows the house managers to telling senators sitting in judgment they at least gave trump an opportunity to have his say. more important, they quickly claims that his refusal established an adverse inference supporting his guilt. we're also learning new details about the defense strategy. bruce castor tells nbc news,

that they will focus on that it's unconstitutionality to impeach him after he's out of office. we have a law professor from georgetown university, and charlie and alicia are still here. or subpoena in-person spongeses to questions. i remember it got wrapped around all sorts of legal problems. are some of those erased by the fact he's an ex-president, a private citizen now? >> i do think so. the invocation of executive privilege and things like that is different when you're dealing with a former official. i think the story line is predictably, unfortunately, the same, that donald trump is

refusing to testified. he's quite frankly a scaredy cat. if you or i were accused of something like fomenting january 6th, we would do everything possible to clear our name. not this guy. if i were twitter, maybe instead of suspending his account, you have to testify, you have to post under oath. that would have shut him up quickly, too. the whole episode is good for the house managers. they have given former president trump a chance to tell his story and he's just shown himself to be afraid. this is the only time i wanted donald trump to actually speak. instead, he's silent and spends his time like spending his imdb page to the s.a.g. offices -- it's a joke, but seriously, he

'tries to clear hi name with s.a.g., but he has an impeachment trial, and he's scared to be under oath. also, it seems that his lawyers know he's guilty of the charge. the impeachment article is simple and is just one. he's guilty of inciting the insurrection. donald trump held a radiologically to incite what happened next. he said, quote, i will go with you. so none of the facts are in question, and it seems to me that the democrats have a good argument both -- and because this isn't a criminal trial where, if found guilty, you go to jail. it's only a political process, that for the public to infer guilt and intent to do exactly what happened is not really a stretch. >> absolutely 100%. that's why trump's lawyers, instead of the facts, are trying to put everybody on this one

claim, which is that you can't impeach a former president under our constitution. that's wrong just on the merits for many reasons said by mcconnell -- motte mitch mcconnell, but judge michael mcconnell, who said this impeachment started while he was president, and he says it's undoubtedly constitutional, but nicolle, you say it's a political problem and our founders said we gave this to congress, not a court of law, because our representatives and senator are popularly accountable. about this claim about not impeaching a former president, it's a dodge around having the senators actually vote on the ultimate question -- did trump do it or not? >> i think trump's lawyers have miscalculated. there are ways for the senate to force an answer on that question. for example, in normal courts, we have something called the special verdict form, in which

you split the question into two. here the house managers can split the question for the senate to decide into two. they can ask first, is it okay to impeach a former official? and second, separate question, that the senators are to act, did president trump incite january 6th? there are things next week that can happen that i think trump's lawyers haven't really figured out yet. >> i think this is the third or fourth legal team, so they may still be getting up to speed. charlie, i want to read you something that politico reports trump's allies are afraid of -- they are imploring his impeachment team to avoid one specific topic when they defend trump next week. the deadly riot that unfolded at the capitol. some of his most arened supporters through the trial could further damage his reputation if his attorneys

weighed into the events of january 6th after pro-trump demonstrators stormed the hall of congress. what? that's what this is about. i don't even understand the background quotes. >> good luck with that strategy. that's what the trial is about. yes, he will suffer reputational damage, because he deserves to. the fact is there's no way to avoid this. i think at this point it will be interesting to watch how they present the case, their use of the video. this makes this different than almost every other case that we talked about. there were the pictures. we all saw it. you can create a timeline. you have trump tweets, including the one tweet he put out about 6:00 that night after all of the violence, saying this is what you get when you tro i to steal elections from great american patriots. go home in peace and remember this day. that does go to what he was

thinking and doing. i'm not going to address the legal issues coming after neal katyan, but not only is a president afraid to testify under oath, because that's a scary place for donald trump, whose such a chronic liar, but he hasn't said anything really about all of this. you know, you would think in one venue or another, he would find some way to make his case, to state his point of view, and here is someone -- look, he doesn't have twitter, but there's other venues, i would assume, yet three weeks of almost complete silence from donald trump, as if he knows how much danger he's in and does not know how to address it. >> it's been blissful. neal, charlie, thank you so much. alicia is sticking around. still to come for us,

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president joe biden's job approval rating now sits at 61%. according to the latest a.p. polling, a number never achieved

business his press saysor. it comes as he moves forward with his agenda, rolling back a number of trump-era policies. president biden explaining today about why he's pushing so hard on his nearly $2 trillion relief bill. >> some in congress think we have already done enough to deal with the crisis in the country. others think that things are getting better and we can afford to sit back, neither do little or nothing at all. that's not what i see. i see enormous pain in this country. a lot of folks out of work, a lot of folks going hungry, staring tess ceiling tonight wondering what i'm going to do tomorrow. a lot of folks trying to figure out how to keep their jobs and take care of their children. a lot of folks reaching the breaking point. president biden met today with house democrats who are

aiming to have the covid relief bill passed and sent to the senate in two weeks. eli stokele writes today in "los angeles times" about how the gop civil war is helping democrats chief their agenda. the striking dichotomy between two parties, one eager to have sweeping relief. others consume other debates on conspiracy theories and loyalty to the bombastic former president has become a feature of the few weeks. joining our consideration, our friend the reverend al sharpton and alicia is still here. i want to put up the cross-tabs in these polls. the approval rating for the covid relief, 68% of americans support the covid relief bill in

the current form. 63% support rejoining the paris agreement. 57% support the reversal of trump's travel back. and 54% support halting border wall construction. this is real public support for the specifics of the biden white house agenda. >> absolutely. it shows solid support. these figures don't show just some kind of marginal majority. you're dealing with in most of these issues almost two thirds of those polled. this is clearly what these people want to see. this is a direction that they voted for, and i think that the republicans, some of which still seem to be addicted to trumpism, are misreading the political wins and in many ways are putting their own political career in real jeopardy, because

what they're standing for now is just has no support, according to polls and according to sentiment all over this country. >> alicia, i want to drill down on the 68% of the covid relief package. there's constephenation i think even in the democratic party about its size. there is no wavering though among the public. nearly 70% of all americans like and believe they need what is being promised to them. my question is about republican support, a lot of the reporting suggests there won't be much. president biden remains convinced there will be. it feels like with 68% of the public behind it, it would be political malpractice not to get behind money for vaccines, money for stimulus, money for the exact specific sort of tagged things that people are crying out for. >> you know, i think it's

interesting that ron klain has made the argument they started defining bipartisanship of voters supporting something as this as defined by members of both parties in the house or senate supporting something like this. i think democrats will take the ball and run with this. if congress did not learn the lesson of the last recession, then perhaps the american people have that a package needs to be large enough, ambitious enough to actually meet the moment. most persons are going to be evaluating this by whether or not they feel it in their lives. when they get that shot, whether or not they're able to get a test when they need it. whether or not they're able to get the vaccine when they need it, whether or not they feel the president is getting this virus under control, and with it you begin to see some of the economy come back online. all of that is real for people. there was something that marjorie taylor greene said yesterday in her

apology/nonapology, which was i had this idea something like washington didn't know how to work for me, or government didn't know how to deliver. that's what they populists feed on, this idea that government is ineffective, so i think party of the stakes for joe biden, really for everyone, is whether or not you're going to continue with that mythology, if you're going to continue with this idea that government is ineffective, is broken, can't deliver for you. if they can get checks to americans, if they can start to get the virus until control, then they are beginning to turn the tide on that narrative. >> something that i thought about when i saw they polls at 6:00 this morning on "morning joe", rev, that joe biden's years in politics has told him to stay on topic. he's not playing an inside game.

he stayed out of the filibuster. he stayed out of mitch mcconnell hanging on to power. he's focused on public opinion behind the initiatives. all white houses get knocked off their game, but they're very much running their own race, at least at this point, two weeks in. >> yes, washington has given them the advantage of focus, but let's not forget when we had the recession in 2008, he was the vice president coming in with barack obama in 2009. so he saw and really practiced as the co-pilot of that time how you have to stay focused, which is how they dealt with the recession at that time. i was one that had access to watching some of that up close. that's one of the things that even former appointment -- president obama recounts in his

book. they knew at the end much the day no matter what they did in the culture wars, they had to bring the economy back. he knows if he doesn't resolve this pandemic and the economy, it won't party if he wins some of the culture fights on the sidelines. >> the rev and alicia are sticking around. up next how the toll of last year is affecting women disproportionately across the country, how the coronavirus is pushing them to their limits. we'll bring you brand-new reporting next. we'll bring you brand-new reporting next some say this is my greatest challenge ever.

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datz "new york times" highlights reality in world through the eyes of three american mothers, quote, on the brink. 11 months and multiple breakdowns in as they, like so many, just try to stay afloat. jessica bennett writes this. quote, they are stressed, burned out, unraveling at the seams, the pandemic has exposed and this, of brown who calls this her war room where she works and helps her daughter who has autism. quickly, dekeda unmuted the computer and apologized. moments later, it was her boss. what do you think, dekeda? this went on for an hour, toggling back and forth, trying not to mix up the mute buttons, apologizing to each party. at the end, i retreated to my bedroom and cried.

joining us now, msnbc medical contributor dr. bedelia, the rev, and alicia with are still here. i read this when i came down for remote school with my son and cried. it's heartbreaking. some have hoped this could be a galvanizing moment for mothers, the moment it became clear our system and politicians have completely abandoned working parents. that's jessica lee, a senior attorney at the center for work life law at the university of california. but who really has the energy to be angry or even to advocate for change when they're just trying to get through the day. alicia, we have so many advantages. i hate complaining about this moment but there is this universal feeling of incad quasi. i'm an inadequate teacher because teaching is one of the highest professions and expertises and it's not mine. i feel inadequate at work because when i should be working i'm struggling through a school

day and there is this universal struggle, i think, and i think the "times" piece documents what's really happening in a way not many people have. >> no, i'm failing all the time at everything and every time i'm not on mute, i have a kid asking me to wipe their butt. that goes on and on in the background. i think we've talked a lot for very good reason about the ways in which this has affected working class women. they have been hit so, so hard by this pandemic, especially black women, especially latina women, and then when you zoom out even further there is all of this that is so hard to measure, right, nicole? that it's almost impossible to quantify. i shared one of these stories on my instagram, and i had a friend dm me and said, i stand every day in the shower and i cry because i don't want my family to know how scared i am about whether or not i'll ever work again. and so you have women protecting their families from this virus,

protecting their families from the economic fallout from this virus, and then protecting their families from the reality of their own grief. it's all too much, and for too long, we have gas lit women into believing that they could find individual solutions to these system-wide problems and if this moment has taught us anything, it's that we have to contend with paid family leave. we have to contend with pay equity and if we don't, we're going to have an entire generation of upward mobility for women just absolutely wiped out of history. >> and you know, alicia and i are the lucky ones, doctor. we have all the advantages, structurally, and we have the blessings of these incredible jobs. we have the blessing of being able to work from home. some of the women here are dealing with literally keeping covid out of their homes because they're afraid that their partners or they will bring them back home. it is an impossible undertaking, and i know, doctor, you're pessimistic about the timeline on any return to normal, but do you think there should be any

consideration to sort of vaccinating people who are on the edge like these women in this story ahead of other people? >> so, nicole, in this dynamic plays out in so many outbreaks that i have been part of, and you know, in addition to what alicia outlined are part of what women do in the household, they're also caretakers when someone gets sick. they make up a huge part of the healthcare force, the professional healthcare force. i am, you know, i am pessimistic on when we might achieve the herd immunity but i'm very optimistic in the medium term. i'm pessimistic about the next couple of months as we have so many people who are vulnerable, who haven't been vaccinated and thus leading to the majority of hospitalizations but because it's friday, i'm going to start with something that's optimistic. you know, when you look at a country like israel that's vaccinated about 80% of their patients over 60, what they've seen is 46% drop in hospitalizations since january,

and so after we get over this hurdle of making this vaccine available, we're hopefully going to see the biggest change. you know, normalcy -- return to normalcy is not monolithic. it's almost like a spectrum, and the worst part of what this makes this time difficult for us is the illness, the deaths, and we've had thousands of people dying, you know, daily. this is the normal that we've gotten used to. that's what's going to get better first, i think, as we get more people, you know, who are vulnerable vaccinated and as we move out of the -- as we get to, i think, vaccinating teachers. you might see we make schools safer and we might actually return to in-person schooling before the end of the term. that's going to return some normalcy to women who are working as well. there was a report last summer that said one out of four women who are unemployed or no longer have a job, it's because they did not have access to child care, and so hopefully, that is going to change in the next six months or so, fingers crossed. >> you know, rev, i don't want

to jinx anything by getting ahead to the damage assessment, but i just -- i keep thinking about the role of teaching our kids at home, and there are so many disadvantages if you're not tech savvy, if you don't have, not just good wi-fi but great wi-fi. at-home school is basically streaming all day. i mean, how do we go about the business of catching up the students and the families who have been left behind? >> that is going to be something that is going to be an awesome task that is going to have to be met because you have those that have to play catch-up that have had disadvantages, and then you have those that are in broadband desert areas that had no wi-fi at all, so you're already in many black and brown communities, in schools that were ill equipped and then you're already behind. now they're losing a year because some of them are in

homes that they couldn't go online and do education, so how do you do two years of make-up? some of them coming from families that are a one-parent home. i mean, the fact that we're going to be that far behind in and of itself is going to be a yeoman's task but we're going to have to rise to the occasion and single mothers have always done it. i know, because i had one. >> yeah. dr. bhadela the rev al sharpton, alicia, thank you so much for being part of that conversation. the next hour of "deadline white house" starts after a quick break for us. don't go anywhere. we really are just getting started. started.

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on my very first day of orientation, i got my first death threat. it was a serious one.

they took me aside. the fbi had to go to the gentleman's home. i didn't even get sworn in yet, and someone wanted me dead for just existing. more came later, uglier, more violent, another mentioning my dear son, adam. mentioning him by name. each one paralyzed me each time. so, what happened on january 6th, all i could do was thank allah that i wasn't here. i felt overwhelming relief and i felt bad for alexandria and so many of my colleagues that were here but as i saw it, i thought to myself, thank god i'm not there. so i urge my colleagues to please, please take what happened on january 6th seriously. it will lead to more death, and we can do better. we must do better. >> hi again, everyone.

it's 5:00 in the east. members of congress speaking in raw and unvarnished terms about january 6th, afraid that they would die at their place of work for simply fulfilling their duty to certify the electoral vote count. it's that fear in the face of violence incited by trump that the house managers will showcase in trump's second impeachment trial next week as evidence that the man who incited this act, this insurrection against the united states, must be held accountable to ensure the safety of everyone who works in the capitol. in the wake of the vote yesterday, where all by 11 republicans either signalled agreement with marjorie taylor greene or tolerance of it, is the new norm in american political discourse showing the world that there are consequences for inciting the january 6th attacks becomes all the more urgent. especially as the investigation into the attack sheds new light on the preparation and organization on the part of right-wing militias for the insurrection. "new york times" is out with new

reporting about the large role the proud boys played in coordinating the siege. the same group the president resisted condemning and told to, quote, stand back and stand by, the same group one of our closest allies, canada, december designated as a terrorist organization earlier this week. today marks one year since trump was acquitted in his first impeachment trial and the managers this time around are working to make sure his second is not a repeat. house leaders have been calling for testimony from a range of eye-witnesses to the insurrection, including police officers who were injured as they fended off rioters while lawmakers barricaded themselves in various rooms inside the capitol complex. their goal, to force republicans to remember the terror and violence of that day before they vote to acquit as the majority of them have indicated they will do. the attack left four rioters and one capitol police officer dead. two other officers subsequently took their lives. but the timing of the trial is a

major consideration and a stream of witnesses could prolong the proceedings. the impeachment managers also keeping in mind that the jurors in this trial, the members of the senate, experienced the alleged crime firsthand, so the events that played out on live tv could speak for themselves. "the post" adding this, house democrats have spent a great deal of time and hired an outside law firm to pull together a video compilation of everything that unfolded january 6th, including trump's remarks at his save america rally on the ellipse. the responses from his supporters in the crowd, their march down pennsylvania avenue, and their violent and frenzies invasion of the capitol itself. the one testimony the managers have formally requested so far, that of donald trump, was denied yesterday when trump's lawyers said he will not testify, nor submit a written statement. lead house manager, congressman jaime raskin responded this way. despite his lawyer's rhetoric, any official accused of inciting armed violence against the government of the united states

should welcome the chance to testify openly and honestly. we will prove at trial that trump's conduct was indefensible. his immediate refusal to testify speaks volumes and plainly establishes an adverse inference supporting his guilt. the case against donald trump taking shape is where we start this hour with some of our favorite reporters and friends and new friends, "washington post" contributing columnist and msnbc political analyst, former congresswoman donna edwards is back. also joining us, john heilemann, nbc news and msnbc national affairs analyst, host and executive producer of showtime's "the circus" and host of the hell and high water podcast and josh dossy is here, "washington post" white house reporter, whose byline is on all that "post" reporting we quoted from. do you think it is a foregone conclusion that there is zero consideration being given by donald trump to appearing on roadblock television coverage in this country and around the world in his own trial? >> well, we've certainly been told that. we've been told that the president has been convinced by

his advisors, jason miller, his lawyers and others, that the republicans will stand with him and will vote not to convict, and that there are only four or five wobbly republicans who they are afraid will vote to convict and they don't see his testimony as helping. the democrats, you know, argument, as we indicate in the story, will be, you know, a multimedia, it will be very aggressive. it will be, you know, very detailed. there will be lots and lots of video footage and lots of compelling evidence and the president's team is not really planning to do a similar analogous argument on the flip side. they are planning to say that this is an unconstitutional proceeding and that the president did not really want those people to go to the capitol, at least that's what they're planning to argue, and they want to keep the trial short and perfunctory. so, we'll see what happens, but if you talk to the president's team right now, they are not preparing an aggressive, you know, multi-day, detailed

defense that is comparable to the democrat house impeachment managers. >> and john heilemann, it seems that plan may hit a road bump when donald trump sees all the evidence against him play out on live tv, and we know he'll be watching. he live tweeted the last impeachment trial, and was almost calling the plays from his twitter feed in the oval office. he will have the same impulses. he won't have the same outlets, but the notion that every time they play his speech, every time they show his 6:00 p.m. tweet where he basically claims victory and says, this was deserved, this is what happens when great patriots have something stolen from them, if no one defends any of that context, do you really think the strategy will simply remain to argue constitutionality? >> well, i don't know. hi, nicole. i don't know. >> hi. >> what the strategy will end up being and -- hi. i have zero doubt that josh

doszy and his colleagues are right about where the reporting stands right now. it's my understanding that that's exactly accurate, that the president has been convinced not to appear and that that is the strategy that they are pursuing and they see his appearance not only as not helpful but potentially harmful. on the other hand, we know donald trump. and so, is your question, which was, is there -- does donald trump giving any consideration to appearing? donald trump is desperate to appear. he's nathan jessup in "a few good men." he wants to get in there. of course he ordered the code red, nicole. he ordered the -- he wanted to see those -- he knows he wanted to see the march on the capitol, and he wants to tell us all that he want ed to see the march on the capitol, these people were doing exactly what he wanted, and so he's constrained by his lawyers. he's constrained by common sense. he right now is sticking -- he's agreeing to abide by a strategy by which he does not testify, but he desperately wants to testify, and he is going to at every moment of this trial be --

they're going to have to tie him down with leg irons and restraints to keep him from wanting to get on a plane and get up to washington, d.c., or to get in front of a satellite hook-up and be on air, because donald trump believes more than anything else, he believes in himself, and in his ability to persuade anyone of anything, and that he is always in the right, so it's going to be -- how we end up, i don't know. but do i think every day is going to be -- every hour, every minute is going to be a constant struggle to keep donald trump from testifying? i do. i think his lawyers are praying that they can keep him from doing what he desperately wants to do, which is get in there and defend himself. >> donna, i don't want to stray too far from where we started, and that's the fear that every reporter that is up at the hill every day has described, every member i have interviewed on this show since the insurrection has admitted feeling, on that day and since, and having served in that body, i mean, can you

just talk about what it's like up there right now? >> well, you know, when i listen to the statements that were made by congresswoman tlaib and others about what they were feeling, i can't help but go back to my days as a crisis counselor where, you know, people are expressing the trauma that they felt that day but also, keep in mind, nicole, these people have to show up at work, at their workplace that was violated every single day, and relive that trauma, and you could hear that. and this is why i think that the strategy that the impeachment managers are planning to use next week is going to look at donald trump's words and actions before, during, and afterwards of the -- on january 6th, and i think it's going to be very effective because those senators, those jurors also

experienced that trauma, and they will have to relive it by seeing all of that on full display throughout the trial. >> josh, i want to read you the actual tweet that i just referenced, and our friend, amanda carpenter, tweeted this out, and i think focused attention back on it. she writes this about it. read this carefully. he tweeted this at 6:00 p.m. the night of the insurrection. after the violence was over. after his pathetic video. it's celebratory. these are the words of amanda carpenter. this is trump's tweet. these are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously and viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been battling and enfairly treated for so long. go home with love and peace. remember this day forever. i don't know how much more evidence you need to present to show that after the fact, not

only was he not sorry, he basically said, you got what you deserved and he repeated the lie for which he's been impeached, the lie that incited the insurrection. is there any discomfort that they might not come out of this unscathed? >> if you talk to folks who work for him and even some of his closest allies on the hill, nicole, what they say was that tweet was one of the worst things if not the worst thing he did that day and even those who try to defend him and say, maybe he wanted them to march on the capitol but not invade the building, not to be so violent that way, say in the aftermath, what disturbs them the most is that the president did not rush to tell his folks to get out of the building via video. his first tweet was, we love you. several of his advisors described to us, watching this scene, and someone enjoying it, appreciating that they were fighting for him. >> we're going to work on josh's

audio. john heilemann, i want to come to you on part of trump's defense, which is going to be -- this is the response from his lawyer to congressman raskin. he said, it is denied that the phrase, quote, if you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore had anything to do with the action at the capitol. it was clearly about the need to fight for, wait for it, election security in general. donald trump in the two and a half months after the election never gave a speech about election security in general. there were no speeches. there was nothing. and donald trump was just a bleeding stream of consciousness for all those weeks after his loss. >> yeah. >> what do you -- and i know this isn't a real court where you get in trouble for lying if you're a lawyer, but what do you think about taking on this case? i know one of these lawyers has represented mobsters and roger stone, according to "the new york times." i don't know much about the other.

but how do you think this will look different from the last impeachment where he was basically defended by white house lawyers and other familiar faces? >> oh, i think it's going to look -- it's going to look worse than "my cousin vinny," nicole. i think the lawyers -- there's not a respectable lawyer. you can be a very bad person in america and have done very bad things and can find legal representation. there are lawyers who, for money, for television time, will defend the indefensible. i mean, that happens in courts all over the country. they are not the kind of lawyers you want defending yourself. certainly not the kind of lawyers that an ex-president would normally have or the kind that an ex-president would normally want. donald trump doesn't have many options, though, because all of that very irreputable and very high-end white shoe lawyers, the people who were around him during the mueller investigation, these people were, whatever you think of them, they came to donald trump

with gold-plated reputations, just having been members of the d.c. legal establishment, paragones of it, and again, that's a whole separate discussion that some of those gentlemen got involved with donald trump in that era, but now they are all gone. anybody with any patina of respectability has left donald trump because they see just exactly how indefensible his conduct was here, and this argument that the lawyer has put forward, this notion that this is about election security, is just beyond ludicrous, nicole. we know that part of -- it's not just going to be the video from the day. we're going to hear about the two months of the big lie. we are going to hear about him tweeting out, it's going to be wild. come to washington, d.c. it's going to be wild. the president wasn't talking about election security. the president was talking about come here, march on the capitol, and everyone that i know, including our friend, mark mckinnon, who was in that crowd for "the circus" on the ellipse, said at the end of that speech, it was 100% clear to everyone there that what the president

wanted them to do, and they went and did it. >> and it will take years and years to understand exactly why, but i think what he asked them to do and that he went and did it is beyond dispute. i don't want to get, as i said before, donna, too far away from what happened in the building and how central that will be to the case. so let me play some more of democrats in recent days sharing their stories of january 6th. >> some are already demanding that we move on or worse, attempting to minimize, discredit, or belittle the accounts of survivors. in doing so, they not only further harm those who were there that day, and provide cover for those responsible, but they also send a tremendously damaging message to survivors of trauma all across this country. >> i feel like this was one of the days out there on the streets when the white supremacists would show up and start shooting at us.

>> i screamed to my colleagues to follow me, to follow me across the aisle to the republican side of the chamber. so that we could blend in. but within moments, i recognized that blending in was not an option available to my colleagues of color. >> those who lived through that dangerous day or watched as the capitol was attacked from home are also experiencing campaign trauma and to them, i say, what you're feeling is valid, and we're here to support you and don't let anybody gaslight or diminish or belittle what happened on january 6th. it was a serious event. >> donna, it's so striking and i know that there is so much trauma and unprocessed trauma. i wonder, though, why it's only democrats speaking out. because i've seen every bit of video that has come out and there are no republicans roaming the halls bravely, and they shouldn't have been. i'm glad that all the republicans were hiding too. but if you were hiding, and if

you had furniture pushed up against the door, you were scared too. why is it only democrats speaking out? >> you know what, nicole, i don't know how to answer that question, because i think it goes some place where we've been these last several days where we have republicans who also came back to the floor of the house of representatives and voted right along with what donald trump wanted, to not certify these -- the electors. these are the same republicans who refused to rebuke their colleague who was, like, part of the conspiracy crowd. these are the same group of republicans who really haven't held the president to account for the last four years, and the fact that they are now having to live internally with their own trauma and deny it, they are denying their trauma by not coming forward and holding this president to account, and maybe

it is that the fear of donald trump is still greater than the fear of the insurrectionists. >> unbelievable state of affairs. josh dawsey, it's great to have you on the show. we have spent years highlighting and consuming your reporting. it's great to get to talk to you about some of it. donna and john heilemann are sticking around. when we come back, the republican party's image problem, if you can call it that, as the democrats push ahead on much-needed covid relief. the gop is busy sticking up for and standing by conspiracy theorists and qanon supporters. that's ahead. plus, the financial cost of perpetuating donald trump's big lie. parkland school shooting survivor david hogg wants to put the my pillow guy out of business. and the promise that vaccines can lead us out of the deadliest phase of the pandemic. new data shows it's real and it's happening. "deadline white house" continues after a quick break. don't go anywhere. ontinues after a quick break. don't go anywhere. what's the #1 retinol brand used most by dermatologists? tah-dah, it's neutrogena®

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she captioned it the squad's worst nightmare. yes, some people are having nightmares and fear, and some people, who wanted to give other people nightmares, committed sedition and broke into the house of representatives and tried to stop us electing a president of the united states. you did nothing. as a matter of fact, gave a standing ovation, as i understand. i wasn't there. what message does that send? what message does it send to have a standing ovation, to give

these three women nightmares? >> that was house majority leader steny hoyer with a question for republicans. what message does it send to accept marjorie taylor greene, who has repeatedly called for violence against democrats, peddled anti-semitic and islamaphobic conspiracy theories, and refused to apologize for it in their ranks? and it's the gop grapples with what it means for a qanon conspiracy theorist to become the face of their party, another embarrassing moment for the party just today. two republican congressmen, andre clyde and louis gohmert, became the first lawmakers to be fined for bypassing the metal detectors put in place to protect them after the january 6th insurrection. donny deutsche, donna and john are still here. donny, i wonder what you think about republicans attaching themselves willingly to a qanon conspiracy theorist.

>> ladies and gentlemen, this is your 2021 republican party, and what a gift it is to the democrats. of course, there's something called a general election. what 199 of those congressmen and women did the other day, they didn't necessarily vote to not throw her off committees. they endorsed her. i'm going to use an ad term. they didn't just endorse mjt. they endorsed saying that you should execute a president, saying that jewish lasers came to set the wildfires, all of the atrocities at parkland didn't happen. this now sticks with them. it is very easy to get a very simple-minded argument. there's a reason companies have spokespeople because it's a way to wrap everything up in one package and say, this is what we stand for, this is our brand values and that person becomes the logo and the spokesperson. you have the same formula for the democrats. you have a spokesperson, mgt, wrapped up, these are the values she stands for, this is the party that endorses her, boy, i

want to get hired by any democrat that's going to be running in a general election. the way this ends, the way this finally stops the republicans, we have to cycle one more time. they have to lose that midterm bigly, to use our ex-president's term, because they'll understand this is just a loser. it's just an absolute loser. the very thing that republicans tried to sting the democrats with, not to compare this woman to aoc, to burn the house down, you handed the gift to the democrats and once again, we'll see it in the general election. >> you know, oh, this is a live picture. let me explain what this is. this will be president biden's first trip as president, i believe, on marine 1. that's marine 1 getting ready to land on the south lawn of the white house where it will take president biden to andrews, joint base andrews, and he will take his first flight aboard air force one as president biden.

he is traveling to delaware for the weekend. oh, he's landing here at andrews. we missed the departure. we will watch him get off the helicopter. it's a magnificent helicopter, if i could channel my inner brian williams, spent a few flight on there myself with former president bush. he will depart and board air force one en route to delaware. let's watch. you know, actually, john heilemann, i know he's been doing this a long time, and i know he was vice president and had access to all sorts of really cool aircraft, but there is something -- you just feel so blessed to get to be flown around on these incredible aircraft by the people that have risen to the position to fly you. this is a moment. >> yeah. i remember, nicole, back during the obama era, someone in the obama white house saying that

they were talking, towards the end, they were talking to president obama about what he was going to miss about being president, and he said, you know, of all the -- there are all these perks but he thought he could live without all of them but the thing he was going to most miss was the plane. i don't think that's -- i don't think he's the only president who's felt that way. that plane is -- they all do. they all do. it's just -- you know, there are a lot of nice things that come along with being president, but that plane and being able to travel with that degree of comfort and security and, you know, the ability to communicate, the ability to do everything you can do up in that thing, if you've ever been in it, it's quite something. and joe biden had his own version of that, air force two, which is not anything like air force one. i will say it's also a nice plane but nothing like air force one. i'm sure he is going to -- you can't imagine what it must feel like to get on there for the first time as the person whose plane it is. it is a thing for sure.

>> and donny, we'll see if he gets off wearing a mask, but other than that flight aboard marine one to walter reed after being diagnosed with covid, i don't think it was a regular practice of the last white house team to wear masks when they were in what really is pretty close quarters. >> how'd that work out for them, by the way? and of course joe biden will be in a mask because joe biden has been doing everything right. you know, while the republicans define themselves, you know, as these wacky qanon people, you have the democrats pushing through a $2 trillion package, business as usual, competency, straightforwardness, empathy, it is a tale of two parties, and you know, just the very nature of him walking out, being presidential, wearing a mask while you have the republicans chasing their tails, acting like idiots, it's just a contrast and there's a reason he's in the low 60s in his approval rating and he's on the high end of everything he's pushing through, 60% to 70% approval ratings as

you mentioned earlier in the show. >> to donny's point, his covid relief package has a 68% approval rating. that's a whole lot more than, you know, this is a man who ran for president saying, i'm a proud democrat, but i will be a president for all americans. he's got at least a few of them behind his covid relief package. >> well, he does, and i think it's exactly the reason that he really does want to go big, apart from the lessons that he learned in the early years of the obama-biden presidency, but he wants to go big on this. he knows the public is behind it, and he's going to use the bully pulpit in a way that we actually never saw from this last president, and that is to rally and continue to rally the american people behind his legislative agenda, and so you know, he's on good footing here, and i will say, i love watching marine one and air force one, because out of my window in my former congressional district, i can always see marine one

dipping down to joint base andrews, like i saw in my -- the corner of my eye just a little bit ago. it's a good sight. >> it's such a thrill. yeah. when you live in d.c., it's such a thrill to look up when they are either practicing or moving the helicopters. watching them fly above the potomac. john heilemann, i wonder if there are some familiar faces here, when he gets on this plane, there may be some air force one stewards who he knows, either from his time as vice president. this will be his first trip, though. >> for sure. >> this will be his first flight as president. >> yes, and it's a moment to mark, and i'm sure it's true, nicole. one of the things about joe biden that's been always true, when he was vice president, when he was a member of the senate, and it's one of the things i find most, at the human level, in addition to joe biden's empathy, everybody talks about his empty, but it's also the

case that joe biden is -- has incredibly gracious towards staff throughout his career in the senate, in the white house when he was vice president, there was nobody at the lowest ranks of staff in the building always spoke with great warmth about joe biden. that was true up on capitol hill too. he knew the names of the elevator operators in the senate office buildings and in the capitol. he would know the names of the capitol police and often you would -- if you ever spent time with him in either of those settings in the white house, in the oeob, up on capitol hill, over the course of his career, as i had occasion to, it was always a stunning to me how he would remember the first names and a lot of the family details of people who worked in the service jobs up there, the staff, basically, in those institutions, and i think it's almost certain that there will be people on air force one that he knows and recognizes and he will know not just their first names but will know the names of their children, know the names of their parents, know the names of their aunts and uncles.

he often, with staff, will often ask for them to hand him his cell phone and he'll call their parents in their presence and get on -- he would do that as vice president all the time, would call up a parent or a spouse or a child on the phone and have a little talk with the person's family member. that is very much in the character of joe biden and i can just imagine that he will greet those people that he recognizes with warmth and they will greet him with enormous warmth to have him back on that plane. >> you know, donny, as john heilemann is talking, i'm thinking about the story of joe biden going to "the new york times" editorial board, seeking "the new york times" editorial board's endorsement. he did not achieve it but got something more valuable. he became friends with the elevator operator. i'm going to get some of the details of this wrong. but she created a video for his convention that was a million times more connective, if you will, than a newspaper endorsement. i mean, john is absolutely right about who he is and how he has lived his life in public.

>> i have to tell you something. i'm a big joe biden fan. i didn't know that particular fact or description, and i always think that's the way you judge a person more than anything else. everybody's nice to the president. everybody's nice to the ceo, the head of the network. it's how do you treat the wait staff, the person operating the elevator, and that says everything. that makes me feel so good that somebody who i have been so behind and i believe is so right for the tone of this country, and nicole, i've said it on this show before, that type of thing is going to become contagious in this country. i know we're living through very, very tumultuous times and we still are going to be a very polarized world, but i think coming out of covid, i do think, and i've said this on the show before, that kindness is going to be the new black and i just love hearing john, thanks for sharing that, i didn't know that. that says it all. i don't need to hear anything else about this guy. >> it is a wonderful detail. thank you, john heilemann, for sharing it. i, for one, could stare at that

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we are back. i believe we're on a live picture of air force one.

as it takes off with president biden on board for the very first time. getting ready to take off on his maiden journey aboard air force one for a weekend at home in delaware. short flight. and we have been watching along with john heilemann, donna edwards, and donny deutsche. john? >> yeah. it's a very short flight, right? it's one of the nice things about this thing. a guy who took the amtrak train for years and years, often on a daily basis to commute home. he's now able to really hop up there when he -- at a moment's notice. i can't imagine that plane's going to be descending as soon as it's going to ascend and descend. it's not going to be at altitude for very long on that flight. you were making a point earlier, nicole, about the popularity of the covid package and how high it is and obviously these numbers in the 60s and 70s,

these are numbers that donald trump only ever saw in terms of his disapproval rating in the course of his entire four years, famously never above 50% with his approval rating for the entire presidency, only president in history and often saw disapproval numbers up in the 60s. but i think it's important just to think about this. i think part of the reason why -- people ask the question of how campaigning connects to governing. i think it's important to understand that part of the reason why this package is so popular is that joe biden spent so much time over the course of the last year ramming into our heads how big and severe this crisis is, and you often wondered whether, like, the realism and how dark he painted the picture about what was coming with the pandemic, whether, you know, a lot of times, politicians are drawn towards optimism. he was often very kind of painting a very grim picture of what we faced but we're seeing the payoff for that now because he has told us over and over again for a year how big this challenge is going to be, and i think he's laid the groundwork

for the size of the package and he's now reaping the benefits in the popularity of that package of all the work that he did talking incessantly about the scale of this challenge over the course of the last year that covid was so central to his candidacy. >> it's a good point. if you successfully frame the question, then when you try to answer it, you've got a lot of public support. i want to turn to what he's leaving behind now with all three of you. it's an incredibly toxic washington, which is known for rough fights, but the aftershocks of donald trump's big lie and his cronies and allies who helped perpetuate the big lie are finally seeing some real potential financial consequences, multibillion dollar lawsuits. you know mike lindell? he's the pillow guy. well, he's had his own skirmish with perpetuating the lie on newsmax this week and his week just got worse. yesterday, parkland shooting survivor and gun control

advocate david hogg announced plans to launch a, quote, progressive pillow company, one that could put mypillow out of business. meanwhile, lindell had other worries today. he purchased three hours of air time on oan. his claims are so out there that the network preceded the broadcast with a 90-second disclaimer in an apparent attempt to put as much distance between them and lindell's false claims as possible. a similar disclaimer aired prior to rudy giuliani's radio show on wabc yesterday. but apparently, rudy didn't know about the disclaimer beforehand. so here's how rudy's broadcast started, reacting to the disclaimer. >> i would have thought they would have told me the about that before doing what they just did. rather insulting. and gives you a sense of how far this free speech thing has gone and how they frighten everybody. i mean, we're in america, we're

not in east germany. they've got to warn you about me? >> i mean, donny, they have to warn you about rudy because he's lying. i mean, exactly. we're in america. where we have laws that protect the truth. it's amazing to see these guys choking on their own medicine. >> yeah, i want to pick up a little bit where i lift off on my little kumbaya kindness thing and i think that's going to extend into truth. i know our hair gets on fire when we talk about social media and how truths are untruths now and whatnot but i believe the level of lying, the level of deception, the level of conspiracy is going to be very 2020. i do believe -- you just feel a shift in the mike lindell -- just a contrast of hogg and lindell and good and bad and honest and dishonest, and empathetic and unempathetic and a i think these critters from this era, we're going to look back at these kind of villainous scoundrels, the just giulianis

of the world, and it's going to be very momentous. i do not believe, and i know this is maybe the minority, that this is the future of the republican party. because it cannot exist. it cannot win this way. and my earlier points about general elections so i do think these very nefarious, very outwardly evil, i mean, they sold evil, i do think it's a moment in time, and i do think we are going to be moving away from that, something that seemed the norm and something that seemed unacceptably acceptable, i think it's going to be a moment. i don't think it's our future. >> you know, donna, i wish i shared donny's optimism, and i'll find out what he's having for breakfast, but i actually think it's going to take these multibillion dollar lawsuits and losing a couple of them to change it. and i think what's interesting about david hogg is he's not, you know, on a friendly network attacking people he disagrees with. he's going to where these people

feel it. he's going to the bottom line. he's introducing a rival product. the mypillow guy's business is the pillow. he's creating what he says is going to be a better pillow, and we'll see. sleepers will make that decision. but this idea that smartmatic and dominion have sued not just multimillion dollar settlements but billions of dollars from fox news, that they've got them, you know, and i guess rudy's right about one thing. they're scared to lie. the companies being scared to lie is the lever, not any sort of feeling that it's time to be more moral about it. >> right, and i mean, the fact is, how many more disclaimers are some of these so-called news organizations going to have to put up before they finally say, you know what? we can't entertain it at all for fear that, you know, the follow the money is going to touch our money, and so i actually think it's a smart strategy as a

company not to allow your company to be defamed without answering it, and in this case, answering it with, you know, multibillion dollar lawsuits. at some point, the chickens are going to come home to roost, and so while i don't really share donny's optimism, i do think that some of these strategies, like what david hogg is doing, and what smartmatic and dominion are doing, are going to hit at the bottom line that really, whether they want to tell the truth or not, they're going to be forced to at least let go of the lies, because it's too costly. >> nicole, i just want to jump back in because i actually think these -- i'm sorry. >> go ahead. >> i think these lawsuits actually validate what i am saying, and forget about the ends and the means, i'm just talking about, this is where we're going to get to and i think that these lawsuits and businesses pushing back and actually going after anchors, going after lou dobbs, sets the

tone. so however we get there, i'm not saying it's going to necessarily be a moral imperative but we're going to end up in a morally more enriched place. i really believe that. >> heilemann, take the last word. >> i don't know, man. 199 house republicans yesterday decided that they were going to, as donny said at the top of the show, they were going to issue their endorsement. they knew that if they voted the way they voted yesterday, that they were allowing, inviting, encouraging democrats to portray them as the party of qanon for the next two years, and yet they just went right ahead and did it. they -- half of them, according to adam kinzinger, i talked to last night, half of them stood up and gave her a standing ovation. half in that private caucus room on wednesday night. that's a big chunk of the country, a big represented in that room by those republicans who are totally fine with being the party of qanon.

so, i'm not -- i don't necessarily see a dawning of a new age of truth any time soon, unfortunately. >> but we all -- we all hope that donny, on his optimism island, is the one that's right and we're all wrong, and i do think that if disinformation becomes a new pack of cigarettes with so many warnings on it, even if you indulge, you hide it from your partners and kids, that's a good step. john, donny, thank you so much for spending time with us today. when we come back, there's now real world evidence of the life-saving effect that vaccines have against the virus. that story's next. vaccines have against the virus that story's next.

there are signs of hope today in the global fight to contain the coronavirus. the u.s. could have a third vaccine available to us in just weeks. johnson & johnson has submitted its single shot vaccine that is 85% effective against severe disease for fda emergency use

authorization. the company has said it expects to supply 100 million doses to the u.s. by june. meanwhile, researchers say astrazeneca's vaccine is an impressive 75% effective against the highly contagious uk variant, and it might also prevent transmission. experts continue to remind us that vaccines are key to stopping the spread and getting become to some normalcy. case in point, "new york times" projects the uk with one of the fastest roll-outs in the world could blunt the virus in weeks. at this pace, it could give the entire population the first of two doses by the end of june and significantly drop the number of deaths even sooner than that by first vaccinating its most vulnerable citizens. joining us msnbc medical contributor dr. kavita patel. i don't remember the last time i read the covid section of the newspaper an smiled, but these reports about the public health side, obviously saving one life is the purpose of the vaccine,

preventing disease. but when you pull out and look at big parts of the population, seeing the spread significantly down, that seems to be the way that the vaccines get us back to something resembling normal. >> yeah, absolutely, nicolle. and you're right, it was a lot of good news. even coming out of israel, where over 90% of the population over the age of 60 has already been vaccinated. remember, they're using the pfizer vaccine there. they've already seen a 41% drop in cases in hospitalizations. so there is incredible encouragement that even when you have kind of segments that are high risk like in the united states, over the age of 65 or people with chronic conditions, that if we can get a large number of them vaccinated, we are going to see continued decreases. and we're already seeing continued signs of that in nursing home populations by is the way. >> dr. patel, talk about the johnson & johnson vaccine.

will anyone still just get whatever is available or do you we'll start to see vaccines targeted to different parts of the population? >> yeah, i do think there is a role in a one-shot vaccine that could be targeted to parts of the population where it is really hard, nicolle, to follow up. the way i've been following up with people is by email, and not everyone has that. so if you have a more transient population, we can do this with people who might not have housing that's regular. we can do this in the correctional facility, nicolle, where we are still seeing kind of super spreader outbreaks and unfortunate deaths. so a one-shot strategy. don't get me wrong. i think anybody who gets any vaccine should take what they can get. but we can be tactical to help especially where we don't know if we can get that all important second shot. but i do want to reinforce, the data all around the world tells us the two-shot dose, you really do need that second shot. so it's critical for everyone

getting it to keep that in mind. >> and you are seeing that this more contagious variant is also responding to some of the vaccines. so that's got to be good news. >> yeah. i think there has been a lot of hype, frankly, about the decrease in efficacy with these variants. the variants are certainly -- we talked about this. they're certainly concerning. but if the current vaccines do work against them, just not as much as they do against kind of what we've seen in the united states. they're still very effective, and we need to get them out to more people now. >> dr. kavita patel, thank you so much for spending some time with us on all the latest. we're appreciative. finally, as we do every day, remembering lives well lived. her husband called her the mouse that could fight the lion. she stood 4'11" but she had a mighty, towering presence indeed. raised in a korean fishing village, she was so

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