we can do too little. we can do too little and sputter and the end result is it's not just the economic impact to rebuild, and it's people's lives. real, live people are hurting and we can fix it. >> more good news this week. drugmaker johnson & johnson applied for emergency use authorization for its potential gamechanging single-shot coronavirus vaccine this as the biden administration announces to use the defense production act to ramp up production of at-home tests and protective equipment over the next month. the defendant department is deploying 1,110 troops. the first team is set to arrive in california in ten days. the pentagon also weighing a broader request from fema to call up 10,000 active duty troops to help battle the pandemic and this morning nbc news has learned that the biden

administration is preparing a sweeping campaign to encourage americans to take the covid-19 vaccine when it's available to them and as vaccine supply increases. and it all can't come soon enough. the centers for disease control and prevention report more than 600 cases of the more contagious covid-19 variants from the united kingdom, brazil and south africa across 33 states. according to the latest forecast models, an estimated 631,000 americans would have died from covid-19 by june 1st. the mounting of a real federal response to the covid pandemic for the first time comes alongside the historic second impeachment trial of the former president who failed and refused to lead that fight. the second impeachment trial of the accused insurrectionist donald j. trump begins on tuesday. it does not appear that there would be enough senate republicans to join in convincing the former failed president of his role in inciting the mob that attacked the capitol one month ago on january 6th and that's not

stopping house democrats from making the case against the failed former president. in their impeachment brief they write president trump's conduct must be declared unacceptable in the clearest and unequivocal terms. this is not a partisan matter. his actions threatened the very foundation on which all other political debates and disagreements unfold. one of the failed former president's attorneys, he was able to cobble together a couple after his previous team resigned en masse last week. the former president will not testify or provide any written statement for the trial arguing, quote, it is a publicity stunt in order to make up for the weakness of the house manager's case. lead impeachment manager congressman jamie raskin of maryland said any official accused of inciting violence should welcome the chance to tiff. his immediate refusal speaks volumes and establishes an inference supporting his guild. joining me now is alexy

mccannon, msnbc contributor. there are two worlds coming together. we are learning more and more information and more and more videos are coming out and more and more arrests are being made and more and more members of congress are relating their experience on january 6th as we approach february 8th, tuesday, when some of those people who were under threat are going to sit ostensibly as some sort of juror on the trial of president trump and reconciling those two worlds seems to be difficult particularly if you're a republican senator right now. >> that's exactly right and good morning, ali. we are seeing these two kind of americas in the two parties in the way they're approaching the impeachment trial of former president trump. as you laid out, democrats are going to make the case that his words directly incited the insurrection and they'll remind folks that the terror and violence that members of both sides of the aisle experienced that day. we saw some of this previewed on the house floor earlier this week and on instagram live by alexandria ocasio-cortez and

it's clear how republicans feel and the case they'll put forward. 45 republican senators gathered to say it is unfair to put a former president on trial. you know as well as i do that many legal scholars agree that that is not the case. you can put a former president on trial in the senate, but we're going to see republicans continue to kind of deny what happened and try to get the country and the american people to move forward, and i think that's the big picture, ali. democrats know they're not going to convince enough republicans to come to their side, but i think at a certain level both sides are trying to influence the court of public opinion. they're trying to brand the other party to the american people and not just ahead of 2022, but in the immediate aftermath of president trump's term. >> what's happening in the republican party as it is now? we have two members who have now been fined for going past the

metal detectors. lauren bobert of colorado who wants to take her gun everywhere she goes. marjorie taylor-greene that the republican party refuses to censure so all of they expelled her from her committees. there were 11 republicans who said okay, enough is enough. there are boundaries to how big the tent is that is called the republican party. >> yes, in theory, but then you compare it to the 61 house republicans who voted to condemn liz cheney who supported in support of impeachment of president trump and that tells you exactly where the republican party is right now, ali. it is still controlled at least in part by donald trump even though he is no longer the official leader of their party. marjorie taylor greene said that herself in the press conference. we see folks like jeff gates embody the trumpian style of politics even in his absence and that's really what they're allowing themselves to do while at the same time we've seen how

senator mitch mcconnell has found himself at a crossroads trying to balance those two factions of the party. i talked to a republican strategist earlier this week, the thing that people don't understand is the more attention that marjorie taylor-greene is getting the stronger she's getting among gopers and the trump base and those folks feeling not totally politically homeless and looking for the next iteration of trump because he's no longer serving and they're finding that in folks like marjorie taylor-greene. >> it is amazing how the story is unfolding. alexi, good to see you, my friend. alexi mccannon. the senior fellow of budget and policy prior sxits from 2009 to 2011 bernstein was the economic adviser to vice president joe biden and if you recall back then, jared's job was helping and overseeing the recovery act.

jared, you and i met at the white house in 2009 and argued about the effectiveness of that stimulus program, but what hindsight has taught us that you were right and i was wrong. there was no danger of doing too much back then. the only danger was of doing too little and in 2021, we find ourselves in exactly the same position. there's no danger of doing too much because you can always pare it back. you can always raise interest rates if you need to slow the economy down and there is always a danger of doing too little. >> of course. not only do i agree with that and that's at the heart of the president's emergency rescue plan. by the way, i'm no longer at the center of budget priorities and now i'm on the president's council of economic advisers, of course. look, i think one of the most important recent data points underscoring what you just said is yesterday's jobs report. we are looking at a labor market that is in stall.

we had 49,000 jobs created in january and if you look at the private sector, the most relevant lens, 6,000 jobs and that's essentially zero. we have unemployment rates of black and hispanic persons who are around 9%. compared to a year ago, 2.5 million women are out of the labor market and many of them relating to care out of the market and it's low balling. the cost of inaction is precisely as you suggest, not only do we fail to get our arms finally around this virus and control it, but produce and distribute the vaccine and earlier in the show you talked about interventions the administration was engaged in to significantly ramp up that effort, but if we don't control the vaccine -- control the virus

and distribute the vaccine we simply won't be able to launch the robust, inclusive, racially equitable recovery that this president and vice president envisioned. >> so some of the stuff that my viewers will focus on is how much money are people getting. who gets it and when will they get it? we're talking about $1400 added to the $600 and you get the $2,000 magic number everyone was talking about. some of these republican senators seem to be meaningfully engaged in trying to come to something that they can expect. we're not budging on the $1400. what can you budge on, who gets the $1400 or the cutoffs to who gets the $1400. >> as usual you are pulling us into policy analysis as well you should. there are three parameters in place.

the cutoff, who gets it, the amount and the phaseout. the conversations the president has had in recent days is focused on two things. how much folks get and the phaseout and the thresholds are in there, as well. he is according to comments he's made in the last few days and very much locked in to the 2,000, 600 in december and $1400 in the american rescue plan and he believes that's what it will take not just low income, but middle income families get ahead of this crisis and be able to deal with housing issues they're facing and with accumulating debt they're facing and just making ends meet. the phaseout range according to recent conversations is in play in the sense and the president said this yesterday that when you get up to 250, $300,000 there's a cogent argument that folks don't need the money and that's one of the parameters that's in play and i've heard him say he's quite locked in to the 2,000. >> jared, let me -- because

you're an economist, i want to remind people, when you talk about a high-end tax cut. if you gave the equivalent $1400 to someone in the -- they might go skiing in switzerland. if you give to to low income, it will be spent in our economy probably local to where that person lives. >> i'm glad you used that kind of a breakdown. people have been critical of the targeting of these checks. when you give it to the top 1%, let me tell you how much people get from these direct income payments and that number is zero. even the current plan phases out well before then, but yes, i think it's important to recognize that the targeting here really emphasizes those with the least means. so i think that the increase in income to folks at the bottom from the direct payments is something in the nature of 20%.

in the middle it's about 5% and in the very top it's 0%. this is a -- this is still a progressive plan and what you're hooking it up to is where the need is and what people will do with those dollars which is they'll go out and spend them in some cases. in other cases they'll probably hold on to them for a few months, perhaps to meet these accumulated debt burdens that i referenced in my earlier comments. >> jared, always good to see you. thank you for joining us. jared bernstein is on the president's council of economic advisers. he's a former chief economist and policy adviser to vice president biden and a good friend of the show. have a good morning. >> thank you. >> speaking of the pandemic, we are just a day away from the 55th super bowl and as cases keep climbing dr. anthony fauci has a message ahead of one of the most watched events in america. >> watch the super bowl on tv. enjoy it. have a party in your house with your family, with the people who

are there, as difficult as that is, at least this time around just lay low and cool it. >> and today on the eve of super bowl sunday, the first black female coach in the nfl, jennifer king joins tiffany cross live and she'll talk about how the pandemic has affected the league and that's on "cross connection" at the 10:00 a.m. hour and first more velshi after this. .m. hour and first more velshi after this ♪♪ [ engines revving ] ♪♪ it's amazing to see them in the wild like th-- shhh. [ engine revs ] for those who were born to ride, there's progressive.

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today i'm approving an executive order to begin the hard work of restoring our refugee admissions program to help meet the unprecedented, global need. it's going to take time to rebuild what has been so badly damaged, but that's precisely what we're going to do. >> i'm not making new law. i'm eliminating bad policy. >> former president trump's legacy will be partly defined by his inhumane policies and his

attacks on the nation's immigration system and in an effort to fix the damage caused by the previous administration, president biden has now signed several executive orders to simply reverse the bad policy, rescinding trump's racist refugee ban from seven muslim majority nations, reuniting separated families and raising the cap in the country to 125,000. the former administration set the previous cap at 15,000 which was an historic low and an analysis done for the center of american progress fund that during the trump presidency, the number of admitted refugees dropped by 86% which by the way, was the goal. the u.s. admitted 88,000 refugees during trump's entire term in office compared to 85,000 refugees in 2016 alone under president obama. the trump administration tore apart 5,500 families at the southern border and because they failed to keep records of locations in some cases, children have been separated from their families for over

three years, also by design. officials say over 1,000 children are still separated and biden will create a task force focused on reunification. the most important order is aimed at tackling the root causes of migration by increasing assistance aid to central america. assistance is needed because their currently 79.5 million people who have been forced to flee their homes globally. historically, mexico provided the majority of asylum seekers into the united states. trump chose to focus that, but it's long changed. now the reality is the biggest influx comes from central america from those countries in the middle of your screen. honduras, guatemala and el salvador. people from those countries are forced to flee because of high rates of violence and poverty. it does appear that the current changes could have promising long-term effects. joining me now is staff writer for the atlantic, caitlin dickerson.

good to see you again. good for you to be with us. >> thanks. >> i want to point to the photograph that the world came to see on april 3, 2019, of oscar alberto ramirez he was drowned with his daughter valeria as they were trying to come into the united states. they're from el salvador. they had applied. they were in mexico and had a visa and were applying for asylum in the united states. he had been working for $10 a day at a papa john's. they were trying to find a better life for themselves. got to the border and were told that the wait would be weeks or months and were turned away so he tried to swim across the rio grande and the result was that death. most of the people coming across that border are coming across for a better life and they're not actually trying to mess with the system. they are literally escaping a terrible, crushing life of poverty and gang violence and sexual assault. >> that's right.

and i'm glad you brought up that family's story because it's really kind of legendary, in a way, in the migrant camps where some asylum seekers have been living for almost two years at this point, and they remind me of a family i was writing about and i went to guatemala this summer to understand in greater depth what it was that brought them to the camp and led them to want to live outside under the elements, unexposed with no real end in sight. what i learned about families like the one you just mentioned or the one that i was writing about is that there was this real focus under the last administration in trying to root out the legitimate asylum seekers from the migrants. what is so true from anyone who has basic knowledge is it's always a combination of the perfect storm of government corruption, of rampant gang

violence and of very, very deep and pervasive poverty and you can even add to, that climate change which makes the poverty issues more difficult for people living in agricultural communities that have been decimated because their land is not able to yield crops anymore because of increasing temperatures and so it's a situation that feels so intractable and so overwhelming and these issues are inextricably linked and they try to seek refuge here. >> so where you are on the spectrum you may say it's not our business to take economic refugees. it's not our business to fix other country's problems. it's not our business to fix the climate effects on nicaragua. bottom line is it becomes our problem if they don't have a better life there and can earn ten times more in the united states. trump decreased that funding to 527 million in 2019.

ostensibly to punish these countries for sending their migrants here. how do we actually fix this? how do we do things that cause life not to be as lousy in those countries so that people are less inclined to come to the united states? >> well, it's a huge challenge. it's not going to be taken care of easily and president biden understands that very well. when he was vice president he headed up an effort that involved a $750 million investment in central american countries. at that time the attempt was to try to minimize the number of unaccompanied minors. there were record numbers coming to the united states at that point and it had short term effects and it lowered the numbers for a brief period of time and before long because $750 million can't change decades of entrenched government corruption. it can't change the fact that murders in guatemala, for example, more than 90% of them go unsolved and no one is ever punished for them and they can't change this deep poverty which

has generational impacts and so the biden administration now is trying to come even more prepared and with more funding. they've dedicated $4 billion in the short term to try to address these issues in central america, but it's going to be a very long effort and one that i think starts with an acknowledgement of these issues that we're talking about. it's not that you have good migrants and bad migrants versus people that have violence and it is a combination of all these different things and it will take a long-term investment and recognition of that to change some of these trends. >> well, we've got time to have that discussion now so we will have it often. caitlin dickerson is a staff writer for the atlantic and she covers immigration in great detail, as you can see. the biden administration may be ramping up the covid-19, fort and those who desperately need the vaccine still can't get access.

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the talk of rolling out the coronavirus vaccines first began, we are showing black americans are more hesitant to getting vaccination and that is due to historic abuses to the african-american community. that is only part of the story. there are insidious barriers facing black people who do want to get vaccinated. a new report by nbc news highlights mississippi, the state with the highest percentage of black residents in the nation at 38%. black people only represent 17% of those who have been vaccinated in the state, and over the past several weeks, local doctors, community leaders and state officials say it's been increasingly clear that many black residents want to be vaccinated and they're hitting roadblocks that are preventing them to doey is.

they include no means to get there. appointments fill up too quickly to get a spot and when you look at the latest overall number, there's a lot of work that needs to be done. the cdc says black americans make up only 5.4% of covid-19 recipients compared to 60.4% who are non-hispanic whites. just this morning nbc news learned that the biden administration is gearing up for a sweeping new campaign who are eligible to receive the vaccine to take it specifically in communities where people may be skeptical of getting the shots. joining us now is dr. andre campbell for diversity equity and inclusion at uc san francisco school of medicine. dr. andre good to see you this morning. thank you for being with us. it is altogether too early to have gotten you up for the show, but we are so deeply appreciative, and this is coming into sharp relief that we have two separate problems.

hesitancy among black communities because of real, historical things done to them that are causing fear. the other one that i was talking to dr. stanford about in philadelphia that while there's hesitancy to overcome, she and the black doctors consortium there can use every drop that's given because lots of people want the vaccine. >> yes, you certainly have several great points. first off, good morning being ali. thank you for having me on. >> my pleasure. >> the first thing is there was no national policy for distributing vaccines prior to the administration and that's the first thing. so there's access, there's distribution, there's structural racism involved. so as of today there's been 27 million vaccines given out. it's about the same number of people who have been infected in the united states, but there was a small proportion of latinx,

african-american patients and native americans who were disproportionately affected by hospitalizations, three times the rate of hospitalizations, and three times the amount of deaths and it's important to get the vaccine in the arms that need it. that is true, there's structural racism, access to care and so forth and it is important that right now the people that need to get vaccinated are not getting vaccinated and we have a national problem based on the data you just said from the cdc and other sources. >> and ultimately, once this is over, we need to fix that larger problem. dr. fauci was talking to my friend ari melber last night on "the beat" about it. let's listen to what he said. >> there is this disparity and inequity now and has been in our society. it's something in the long range, if we get this taken care of and behind us, let us

remember and not forget the disparities and health that we have to address because it will take a long effort to do it. >> yeah. a decade-long effort to do it if we admitted, dr. campbell. irrespective of failures with testing and failures currently with vaccinating and dealing with it in an equitable fashion and no one is surprised that this is unequitable because everything else is unequitable. >> that's absolutely true. we have talked about this. there have been disparities for years in health care for after can americans and for latinx with respect to cancer, trauma. so you name it, there's recently been some data on obstetrics and gynecology with patients and we have to understand and acknowledge that there's a difference so that this difference was just amplified, amplified by covid-19. so the difference has been there for many years. it was written about it, we know

about it, but this is a structural problem in our society where this disparity, it just keeps repeating itself and we need to work on this. things that we can do among african-american populations is to make sure you get the word out and we took the vaccine and there were no problems and i have soreness in my arm and role modelling and making sure that we address the vaccine hesitancy. this is a real issue, right? people are scared and nervous. they don't want to be an experiment because of prior issues related to the african-american community and we need to get the word out and 95% efficacy, and we got the johnson & johnson vaccine being considered by the fda. one shot will keep you out of the hospital so you don't die. i know people who have died from it. you probably know people who have died from it. california will overtake new york with deaths from covid.

>> dr. campbell, we are hopefully closer to the end of this than we are to the beginning, but boy, what a thing we're fighting. thank you always for joining us and i appreciate it. he is a trauma surgeon at zuckerberg san francisco general hospital. >> in the aftermath of the january 6th capitol riot, canada notes the proud boy as a terrorist group. what it would mean for far right and extremist groups in america. we'll tackle that on "velshi." " it's not a steroid or inhaler. fasenra is an add-on treatment for asthma driven by eosinophils. it's one maintenance dose every 8 weeks. it helps prevent asthma attacks, improve breathing, and lower use of oral steroids. nearly 7 out of 10 adults with asthma may have elevated eosinophils. fasenra is designed to target and remove them. fasenra is not a rescue medication

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>> a majority of the domestic terrorism cases that we've investigated are motivated by some version of what you might call white supremacist violence, but it includes other things, as well. >> i think the greatest terrorist threat to the homeland is the homegrown violent extremist. >> that was 2019. just last year the united nations released a report that found there was a, quote, 320% rise in extreme right-wing terrorism attacks by groups over the last five years and now canada has announced that it has designated the proud boys a terrorist entity, making them the first country to do so. the country's prime minister said 13 groups now terrorist entities including several associated with al qaeda and the islamic state are, quote, hateful, intolerant and as we've seen can be highly dangerous, but what about in the united states where, quote, a majority of domestic cases are motivated

by white supremacy. joining me is the former council of the assistant attorney general for national security alexis collins. she's a former deputy chief of the counter terrorism section in the national security division at the justice department. alexis, thank you for being with us. >> talk to me about this. what is the significance, and i don't know if it's in canada here, but what's the significance of identifying something like the proud boys as a hate group? >> thank you very much for having me this morning to talk about this really important topic. the development in canada was quite interesting because it does have ramifications for the proud boys here in the united states and now they won't be able to provide materiel support to well organization and other similar effects and the way that the law enforcement here in the united states can go after groups or individuals who are

preparing to commit terrorist attacks is slightly different. we use criminal laws and tools to investigate these group, but those tools we are seeing play out now in the investigations that have come in the wake of the capitol riots of january 6th. >> does the idea that they are -- that proud boys may be called a terrorist group by other countries enhance the american ability to either prosecute them or go after them? >> here in the united states we don't have a specific crime called domestic terrorism. instead, there's a definition of it in federal law, but it is not itself a crime so instead prosecutors and investigators use criminal laws that are directed at the conduct that the groups and its members are engaging in, the criminal conduct that they're engaging in. so the designation in canada, while it may have effects and it

reenforces the notion that this group is potentially engaged in domestic terrorism, it doesn't have a specific application here in the united states and we do have a designation process for terrorist organizations, but those organizations must be foreign. we don't have as a general matter, we don't have a designation process for domestic groups and that's because of the first amendment, of course, but there are other types of tools that we can use to go after these sorts of groups that are engaging in domestic terrorism. >> is there a philosophical discussion to be had about the fact that we don't have those things and i was going to ask you why and you said because of the first amendment which makes sense and clearly, the things that some of these groups did which led to the january 6th attack on the capitol fall outside the purview of the first amendment and they're not protected by the first amendment. is there a philosophical discussion in the united states

about why we should be able to designate u.s.-based groups as terrorist organizations. >> yes, there is that debate and the way it's taking shape is part of the debate over whether there should be a crime of domestic terrorism. by going after the conduct of these groups as kind of isolated individual crime, destruction of federal property, assault on a federal officer is very different than being able to put it in the full context of the -- of this broader movement to further white supremacist or white nationalist or anti-government militia goals and that is -- that is a major difference because how you label something can help determine how you respond to it and it also reflects the true severity of the conduct. >> alexis, thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. alexis collins is the fellow for

new american security and i hope we get the chance to talk about this more ask unfortunately it's become an important matter for us to think about. 52 rioters were arrested, this compared to the hundreds arrested over the summer for protests against police brutality. we'll break down about what exactly that says about policing in america. you're watching "velshi" on msnbc. watching "velshi" on msnbc. tide pods child-guard packaging. mornings were made for better things than rheumatoid arthritis. when considering another treatment, ask about xeljanz... a pill for adults with moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis when methotrexate has not helped enough. xeljanz can help relieve joint pain and swelling, stiffness, and helps stop further joint damage, even without methotrexate. xeljanz can lower your ability to fight infections. before and during treatment, your doctor should check for infections,

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our justice system has never been fair to civil rights movements. new data from the u.s. crisis monitor and non-profit that tracks political violence found that police officers in america are three times more likely to use force against left-wing protesters than right-wing protesters and that's the thing whether the protests are peaceful or not. we've seen the statistics play out in real time. a white mob stormed the capitol with little consequence and when

black rights protesters were met with tear gas and batons. some police officers used their vehicles to mow down protesters like in boston where body camera revealed the true colors of the men in blue. >> i had a [ bleep ] coming. [ bleep ]. hit him with the car. did you hear me? >> that footage was not enough to convince marty walsh to back an ordinance restricting police use of force against protesters. the mayor says the police commissioner needs to be able to make decisions on the ground without restrictions. the united states has always approved a civil rights protest through black history, activists were protests with sit-ins and marches and most were met with aggressive police brutality and arrest. let's look back. in 1955, rosa parks found a seat on a montgomery, alabama, bus and refused to give up the seat to a white man and she was arrested. >> they were refused to leave a

woolworth lunch counter, and many were taken away in handcuffs. they were boarded a greyhound bus in 1961 embarking on a tour of the american south to boycott segregated bus terminals. they faced violence from police officers and white counterprotesters. one day in aniston, alabama, a mob surrounded the mob and threw a bomb through a window. the freedom riders escaped, but they were badly beaten. march 7th, 1965, a day so brutal it became known as bloody sunday. around 600 peaceful protesters marched from selma to montgomery to protest the police killing of a civil rights leader. alabama police officers viciously attacked protesters at the edmund pettus bridge including the late john lewis who suffered a cracked skull. following the police killing of unarmed black teenager michael brown in ferguson, missouri. by day demonstrations were

peaceful and militarized squads of police, and violence ensued. just 52 far-right extremists were arrested on the day of the capitol insurrection. at the time much of america disapproved of freedom riders and the john lewises of the world, but now they are talked about with historical reverence. if the past repeats itself the civil rights leaders have cemented a top spot not just in black history, but in american history. ory, but in american history.

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as we celebrate black history month this february, we have the opportunity to push beyond the confines what we learned in our u.s. history classes because as history often is, it was written by those few in power. it's no surprise we learned the pilgrims were the first to cross the atlantic. they celebrate their journey and first meal in a new land, but the truth of the first americans goes back further than the may flower. a year before the pilgrims set foot on plymouth rock, a ship called slave ryan came across. pulitzer prize-winning journalist nikole hannah-jones writes in her essay, quote, the adams and eves of americady not arrive here in search of freedom

or a better life. they had been captured and stolen, forced on ship shackled arriving starved. where's the honor for the first black americans who arrived in the new world on the lion. when we are creating a shared history, what we remember is just as revelatory as what we forget. the lion was the advent of american slavery and while arriving a year apart, one ship and its people have been immortalized, the other completely erased. our preevt president made it an issue to change the way the u.s. thinks of history like this and unveiling the 1776 commission which was createded deliberately. the trump administration attempted to glory if i the founders while downplaying slavery in america and now some

school districts in government-controlled states like arkansas, iowa, and mississippi are refusing to use this. it's mostly excluded black americans. joining me now, nikole hannah-jones. she's a pulitzer prize-winner journalist at "new york times" magazine as well as others. nikole, welcome to the show. >> thanks for having me. i'm so sorry about my internet today. >> it's okay. good to get you any way. the idea that you put forward starting in 2019 -- and i have to tell you. when i first met you and we first talked about this, i learned a lot about american history i didn't know, was to simply tell things they didn't know, to allow black americans inclusion in the foundational stories of this country. are you shocked and surprised by

the pushback you got to this project? >> you know, i am and i'm not, so obviously the reason they felt i had to create the 1619 project is because we haven't talked about slavery and it's over 150 years and it's as foundational to the american story as anything is, so i knew there was going to be some pushback to that because we have engaged a centuries-long eng dever not to deal with that fact and that truth. i am, however, surprised by the extent of the pushback, by the erasing of the pushback. the 1619 project was published a year and a half ago, and i certainly didn't expect a presidential commission and executive order against the project, and now this effort by

states to criminal censure and prohibit a work of american journalism to be taught in american public schools simply because they don't like what it says. so that part does surprise me. >> you make an interesting point. we met over a year and a half ago when this was first published, a lot earlier than george floyd and the protest that sort of gripped american consciousness in the last year. what's the overlap between the two, the work you had been doing in setting the tone for a different telling of american history than jumping on the stage with the judgings and lynchings and things that are very current in 2020 and 2021. >> absolutely. i think what the 1619 project helped do was to help give context to what we were seeing last summer when all across the globe we watched a white police officer lynch a black man

nonchalantly with his hands in his pocket, and he did that because he believed that he could do that and not face the consequence. well, there's a reason for that, and so many, i think, white americans have attempted to erase this and as not connected to any larger history or pattern, and what this 1619 project helped to do was to understand that the country we live in today, when the officer decides he can do that and then the reaction that we see that this all stems from the legacy of slavery and our inability to deal with that history and to work to make it right. so it provided that connection between the past and the present, and it allows us -- i think so much of the division that we see, so much of tin ability to have empathy is we don't even have a shared understanding of the truth of our history, of the facts of our

history. and if you don't have that shared understanding of what actually happened, then you're unable to grapple with what is occurring right now. as you know like i do, we saw all across these protests after george floyd's killing, the invoking of that 400 years, the invoking of 1619. and you saw americans really making that connection back to the past. and i think that's really important. >> one of the points you make, though, is these histories are in parallel. so to some degree, i don't want to do a disservice to it by saying it's black history because the point you're making is it's american history. american history can't just be the white history of america. >> exactly. this is black history month, and i do think it's important to set aside time to really study specifically the role that black americans have played and black contributions. but to be clear, these are rules black americans have played in the tapestry of history.

and what i argue in the essay of 400 souls, the opening of the essay, is we tended to treat these histories as if they're running in parallel when, in fact, they are intertwined. we cannot imagine a country -- we look around america where black people did not exist. the black experience, right reaction to black people, has shaped so much about this country. we need to s.t.o.p. acting as if there's american history, which, of course, largely means white american history, and then there's black history separately, indigenous history separately. this is all part of the intertwined history of america. and as i say in the essay, it's become the most interracial country. there are indigenous people, african-american people, and the white people. if we could understand the beauty of the multi-division,

with would be a much more beautiful country today. >> thank you so much. if you haven't read the book, get the book, download it because we're going to be talking about it every single week for the rest of the month. that does it for me. thanks for watching. catch me back here at 8:00 to 10:00 a.m. eastern. you can now listen to velshi on podcast. stick around, by the way. senator cory booker joins tiffany cross to talk covid relief, impeachment, and his bold new revision on justice reform coming up on "cross connection," which starts right now. snoelt ♪♪ as i said originally, this is the american rescue plan.