next two weeks joe biden and congressional democrats are expected to put together a massive $1.9 trillion covid-19 relief package, named the american rescue plan helping to rescue americans during the disastrous pandemic, and can't come soon enough. not only are there ten million fewer jobs than a year ago and not only are jobless claims at levels never seen before the pandemic, but 40% of jobless americans in january were long-term unemployed, meaning they have been out of work for longer than six months and that dates back to the summer nearing a record set at the peak of the great recession. daily new covid cases continue to be in the 100,000s, and more than 300,000 are dying every day from the disease representing pain and suffering for millions of americans across the country, more than 27 million americans

in total have been diagnosed with covid-19, more than 463,000 have now died. experts and scientists continue to warn about another surge in the weeks and coming months resulting from the covid-19 variants currently spreading across the country. this is the reason president biden is vowing not to waste anytime. >> a lot of folks are losing hope. i believe the american people are looking right now to their government for help to do our job, to not let them down. i'm going to act and act fast. if i have to choose between getting help right now to americans who are hurting so badly and getting bogged down in negotiation, or compromising a bill that is up to the crisis, that's an easy choice, i'm going to help the american people who are hurting now. >> biden's $1.9 trillion relief

package includes jobless benefits and aid to small benefits and funding to assist in-person schools, and funds to shore upstate and local budgets and increased vaccinations and increased testing, although there's still intense internal debate about what the income threshold should be in order to receive those direct payments of $1,400, and something that will not be included is the minimum wage. even bernie sanders is not calling for directly raising the minimum wage to $15 immediately, saying nobody is talking about doubling the federal minimum wage during the pandemic, and what he has called for is a gradual increase over the next several years, which was the

biden proposal, so how could you increase the minimum wage from $7.25 to $15 right now, that was never actually the suggestion. and biden acknowledged he will keep fighting for that in the future. amazing negotiations are under way, and that's quite refreshing, and biden stated he wanted to have bipartisan support for the bill and the republicans, even the group of ten more moderate senators he recently hosted at the white house are not willing to go far enough. the main sticking point for the republicans should not come as a shock. >> what republicans have proposed is to do nothing or not enough. all of a sudden many discovered fiscal restraint and the concern for the deficits, but don't kid

yourself, this approach will come at a cost, more pain for more people for longer than it has to be. >> here's the thing. it's the same old gop of opining about fiscal restraint and the deficit, which is the same rhetoric that republicans entirely ignored when the failed former president added $8 trillion to the national debt. republicans pushed through a $2.3 trillion tax cut, which, by the way for those keeping track is $400 billion with a "b" more costs for tax cuts than biden's relief plan for the american people, just make a note of that in case more evidence is needed as to where their loyalties lie. erin, what a treat to have you on the show this morning. thank you so much for being with us. let's talk about this relief

thing. some people call it a stimulus and i only could hope it would stimulate the economy, but fund -- fundamentally it would bring relief. this is a she session and it's hitting women uniquely hard. >> well, ali, or should i say ally, which is what i call you, because you continue even here on the super bowl, you don't have to be an economists in this woman to know a woman that has been hit hard by the economic impact of the pandemic. my colleague at the 19th has been writing about america's first female recession and just on friday when the latest bureau's statistics came out shows unemployment remains high for women of color, and latinas

have the highest unemployment rates in the country. we know that the pandemic certainly was unequal and it's unclear whether or not, you know, this new normal and our move towards reopening is also going to be unequal. that's why you are seeing such an emphasis from the biden/harris administration particularly on women. biden had his first weekly address speaking to a woman in roseville, california, laid off for the first time in the pandemic. women are really front and center in the midst of this crisis from a public health perspective and an economic pertive in terms of how they have been impacted. >> i encourage our viewers to check out the 19th generally, but this article that you referenced is uniquely important because it points out that in the unemployment report on friday the unemployment rate for

women, white women, dropped to 5.1%. for black women increased to 8.5%, and latina, 8.6%. women and latino women have an unemployment rate 50% higher than women in general. >> that story, it points out at 19thnews.org, that the unemployment for latinos are second to men in this country, and it's devastating for these women. these are women who are essential workers, the women's working in retail and grocery and child care and nursing. these are essential workers who are in our health care system, and so you know, they are the ones that have really bourne the

brunt of the economic hardship that this pandemic has faced and also, though, people that we know are such a part of the infrastructure of our economy. factoring them in to how things are going to work going forward is going to be hugely important and president biden is emphasizing the government needs to respond to this. >> erin, one of the things we have been following for the last few days, and i just wrote about this on msnbc daily, the vaccine distribution is inefficient and exacerbating the health care, and those that can get a private state and go to another state or lie what they do for a living are jumping the queue in terms

of getting vaccines, and what you are doing is keeping the virus circulating, and it's better if we let those worse off in the pandemic get the vaccine first. >> the reality with the racial equity that the biden and harris administration is talking about, it doesn't happen usually. encouraging data from the cdc shows that two-thirds of the folks who have gotten the vaccine so far are women, but another report also shows that two-thirds of black women and latinas don't know where to get the covid vaccine, which is troubling when we know that these are folks that, again, are

on the front lines and are most vulnerable and in a position to be potentially exposed to the vaccine, and undocumented workers will face all kinds of barriers to getting the vaccine, and how this -- you know, we know the pandemic was unequal but we also know that if the response is not deliberate, the vaccine rollout can also be unequal and that seems to be something that this administration is aware of. let me also point out that the record numbers of black and brown women who were part of the coalition that elected the biden/harris administration, this is what they voted for, this voted for a government that would be responsive to them in this pandemic from a public health and economic perspective. >> erin, always terrific to see you. thank you so much for being with us. she's the editor at large for

the 19. check it out. they have great articles on there. joining me now, a member of the education and labor judiciary and ethics committee, and he presided over the house of representatives, the first time in american history that an openly black gay member of congress has done that, so congratulations on that, representative jones. we have a relief bill coming and there are some republicans that don't want to go as far as the democrats and the president want to go, but from an economic perspective, there's no danger in that, the only danger is in doing too little. >> that's right. any danger that would result in something that has been proposed by the ten republican senators that wrote to the president of the united states, maybe one-third of the $1.9 trillion package that i and others voted

to pass as a resolution on friday would not serve the american people well. they need to meet the moment where we face overlapping crisis, and where the american people expect their government to finally provide the relief that could have been provided last year if the prior president of the united states would not have been obstructive. >> let's talk about the minimum wage. there was never talk of $7.25 minimum wage jumping to $15, it was always going to be a staged plan. once we have a economic growth rate, and what is your take that the minimum wage increase will probably not make it into this plan? >> look, i am not giving up hope on that. minimum wage has not changed since about 2009. we know that even a $15 minimum

wage in my district where it's extremely expensive to live in westchester and rockland counties, even a $15 wage would not be enough to cover the cost of rent, mortgage, food, transportation, you name it. i think we shootly need to be pushing to include a $15 minimum wage in the package and it's something that can pass through reconciliation and it's something the american people urgently need. economists say this is something that would grow the economy. contrary to what you hear in republican talking points that are not interested in helping the american people but rather furthering the wealth and inequality we see. >> i want to talk about debt forgiveness for student loans. president biden called for $10 trillion in forgiveness, and you

and a group of your representative colleagues want biden to use executive action and not congressional action to wipe out $50,000 in federal loans. tell me about this. >> it's called the higher education act, it's a statute that allowed the president of the united states to forgive loans, and that's precisely what we have to do. we are facing a student debt crisis, and i am 33 years old and thousands of people my age and younger in my district, again, where it's extremely expensive to live have to live with their parents or grandparents because of the student debt crisis we face, and wages have been stagnant for decades even as the costs of a four-year college education skyrocketed so it's a way to liberate a generation of young

people in the community, and he has invoked the same statutory authority to pause the payments of federally-owned loans, so he needs to go further and provide for the american people as he promised to do, and you have to understand, this is an issue of racial lgbtq and just general economic justice. we know different communities bear the brunt of this student debt crisis and we have to make sure that we can provide for an entire generation of people moving forward to have and live the american dream the way our parents did. >> i would love to have this conversation further with you because you are -- you did grow up with a single mom and you did not grow up in an environment where you could pay for college, but what happens after the cancelation of the $50,000 in

debt, and how do we -- what do you do structurally to allow people to get an education without being settled with debt for decades? >> people should not be making crazy decisions about whether they are going to take on crippling student debt or get something that is necessary for the vast majority of good-paying jobs in this country, and that being a college education. i appreciate the question and it's something that we don't often talk about unfortunately because of so much going on, especially the past few weeks. we have to make sure that we are thinking about how to make -- how to ensure college moving forward from a structural standpoint is available to literally everybody in the u united states of america that desires a four-year education. >> this deserves a good and long conversation so i am inviting you now to come back and have this conversation and there's

something about the era that allows us to have deep policy conversations that the last four years prevented us from having. let's book that now to talk about how we fix the system so it's fair for all those want to go get an education and pay their debts back can do that. thank you. >> thank you. this week there will be a lot of talk about what the former's president of an incitement happened. the hidden consequences of the capitol siege, but new numbers show just how vulnerable officers are to the virus. texas accounts for a quarter of the deaths with 98 officers killed. "velshi" back after this. "velshi" back after this

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this week the senate is going to hear arguments about why the former president of the united states should be convicted of inviting an insurrection. dems will argue the events of january 6th damaged our democracy, but democracy was not the only victim of the insurrection. there's a greater and more personal toll for those inside the capitol and those defending it. officer sicknick sacrificed his life, and there are more unintended heroes that woke up on the morning of january 6th as one version of themselves and went to sleep that night forever changed. if an injury is not fatal it's often overlooked by the media, but the officers thrown down the stairs and smashed in the head don't have the privilege of

overlooking their injuries. let me give asnapshot. the capitol police officers union says brain injuries are the most common. another cop was stabbed with a stake from a metal fence and one officer will lose an eye. and so they acted on their president's refusal of losing the election, and what cannot be measured by concussions and open wounds is the hidden damage and mental anguish that victims live with every day. two police officers that defended the capitol died by suicide after the attack. members of congress spoke on the

floor of the house last week, and some were breaking down in tears as they recalled the capital siege. one described feeling like a sitting duck and all he had to defend himself was a single pencil. and one congresswoman was in the balcony when the chaos unfolded and she crouched behind chairs and began to pray with some of the other peers. remember the consequences of what you are doing, convicting the former president will hurt him and you will likely pay a political price for doing that and not doing so is a choice you get to make, and those that will live with the emotional and actual scars of january 6th had no choice. when you make your decision, remember them. member them.

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will gavel in the second impeachment trial of the former seditious president. this past friday impeachment managers said to show up and testify under oath and just as he has always done the failed former president will pass up the chance to speak for himself on the record and democrats pledge to hold his unwillingness to testify against him, arguing he refused to take a shred of accountability for his role in the attack. good to see you this morning and thank you for being with us. talk to me. there's a sense that we're not going to get 17 senators to see the truth of what happened to vote with democrats, but you argue there are possibilities here that could cause the people

to vote on the conviction of the former president to see the light? >> i am hopeful. i am not sure of anything in politics with the former president, they can go all sorts of different ways you don't expect. i really do hope that in presenting their case the house impeachment managers will be showing video, showing evidence and showing the fact that the capitol was under attack, and these senators who will be serving as a jury will be present and the president incited the crowd to storm them and and they will see how dangerous it was. now, will 17 republicans vote in favor of convicting the president as the constitution requires? i can't say they will at this point. i know what the political problems are that will keep them from doing so and they are worried about their own seats

and the president running again in 2024 and damaging the brand that is the republican party by voting to convict, but i do think and hope that when the impeachment managers layout their case, at least some of the senators will be forced to reckon with what they were dealing with on january 6th and go back to the emotions and what happened to them when they were under attack. >> yeah, and it's not just the damaging of the brand, because if you are a long-time conservative, donald trump has wrecked the brand already, but they were in many cases in that building, the attack was on them, too. we know from a lot of those rioters they were targeting members of congress, republican senators and members of congress, republicans and democrats, and it's hard to see what they are defending and the only thing that makes sense is fear of donald trump and his lackees going after them in

their electoral events. >> yeah, exactly. one thing i want to point out for those things going on next week, this is not a criminal proceeding. this is not a case you are used to seeing in courts of law, and these were political crimes that the former president committed on january 6th. if you hear arguments from republicans saying this is all political and this is ul yadda yadda, and there's no evidence of a crime that could be prosecuted in the court of law, that's not the point here. the point is the former president, donald trump, committed political crimes against the constitution and congress and incited a mob to go after government to stay in power, and that's what we are talking about here. the consequences of this trial are political. he can only be at this point barred from running for office again and holding office again

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there can be no doubt in a democracy force should never seek to overrule the will of the people or attempt to erase the outcome of a creditable election. the burmese military should relinquish power they have seized. >> that was president biden addressing a foreign policy hotbed. here's what happened. the leader of the national league for democracy nld for short, and she founded the party in 1988 during pro democracy protests looking to end the military rule. her leadership earned her a nobel peace prize in the 15 years she was put under house arrest, and then the nld won a general election that made her

the de facto leader, but they had to share power to the military thanks to a drafted army constitution and they still saw her as a threat given how popular she was, so she still faces persecution, she was never fully in charge and last week it came to a head. the nld won november's election in a landslide and they claimed election fraud had taken place and then they seized power by a coup, and police charged her with possessing illegally imported walkie-talkies. and biden's comments are striking after four years of president trump to have a american president have a sane

approach to foreign policy. and then he removed the houthi rebels from the terrorism list. a nonresident senior fellow, senior report for the root joins me now. thank you for being with us. >> good morning. happy to be here. >> let's start with myanmar. this is a tricky one because she has not been on the right side of things, and we call her nobel peace-prize winning leader, and in fact when things started coming down on the army, she covered for them so i feel like when it comes to genocide you are on the right side or the wrong side but she has not free to lead either. >> yeah, it's a double-edged

sword in a way. one thing people don't realize is that myanmar, it has 135 recognized -- even though they have been inside, they have never been recognized. there's a refugee crisis in bangladesh as a result of this and the bangladesh government is in the process -- you go to another thing where some are saying she's playing both sides. in fact when people say, it's rape and abuse, and people say

it's date rape or fake news, and she never had control either so when people think she should have been more outspoken on the issues, it was pretty much up to the government. >> let's talk about russia an alexei navalny. >> let's talk about navalny directly. will this have a long-term impact on the power in moscow? no. navalny has been a foreign guy for years, and it's really to putin's advantage that navalny is free because he's not a threat to power, so he has never

served any long-term jail time and this is the first time he has been jailed for several years. he's had short stretches of jail time, but hard core time this is the first time. in regards to how the biden administration could respond to it, there's ongoing issues right now. another dynamic is that also keep in mind this is what we have to negotiate with russia, ie -- and what five years will look like including the arsenals where russia and america have to protect, and there are a whole wide range of issues that

requires, and it will require cooperation at the same time, too. biden has a difficult diplomatic task ahead of him in the next four years with russia. >> let's hope they are up to it because there's work to be done on the foreign sphere that has not been done over the last four years. thanks for being here this morning. the black vote played an invaluable role in deliver ring joe biden the white house and black power rose to the occasion, and changing the demographics in america over the next few decades could make it difficult for the black community to flex its political mite. we will get into that next with my next guest. t guest.

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most political voters and the backbone of the political power, but black political party may not be a political force forever as changing demographics could change the dynamics, changing from 60% of the population to just over 40% and by that year america's hispanic and asian-american communities are predicted to double in size while a percentage of black americans will rise by 2%. and in concentrating in black neighborhoods, a solution charles blow rights in his new book is to consolidate the black vote. he wants to reverse it. the way same in some way that

young white liberals move to the en mass. 100,000 liberals moved in the '60s and '70s. two of the most progressive members of the u.s. senate today. blow's argument speaks truth to minority politics in our country. who will care enough to listen to what they have to say? charles blow joins me now. arthur of the new book "the devil you know." thank you for being with us. here's my question to you, demographics change over time. there's a likelihood that different groups will attain greater numerical power over time. the problem with black power in america is that in 400 years, it is not reached its zenith yet. it's been held back so that if black power starts to fade,

black people in america would have never enjoyed even their proportional rights. >> that's true. and i would argue that the power that black people have now is lightly illusary. that only happens when white people split their vote down the middle. black people are 11% of the population of pennsylvania. all of the politicians have to do is excite you around election time, get you to turn out your 10%, 11%, and they don't have to really address your issues. case in point is what happened in 2016 when they lost the state of alabama -- the state of pennsylvania. they turned around and said, let's figure out how we make sure that these black people get to the polls. they did not. they said, let's figure out why these white working class people did not vote for us and let's

create a change and a set of policies that will woo them back. your interests were not their priority when they lost the state of pennsylvania. they focused their policy priorities on the white people who were fickle enough to somehow change their mind and vote for barack obama in one election and donald trump in another. you were not rewarded. that's why i say you have to have enough political power that you can deliver a state on your own. when you can do that, they respond to your policy arguments and not just your passions. >> let's talk about your solutions. you write in a "new york times" article i argue that it is urgent that black people consolidate political power now. the acquisition of black power has reached a level of urgency rivaling that of the climate crisis. immediate action is required but it may be too late.

what does the consolidation of black power look like to you? >> right. at the end of the civil war, three southern states were majority black, another three were majority black. every southern state had large percentages of black people. with the great migration, nearly half of them spread out across the country. but if they had not, black people could control as many as 14 senate seats, they could control more electoral college votes than new york state and california state combined. you would not have had a republican president since -- the last 50 years. and last i checked, there's not a single supreme court justice who has appointed over 50 years ago. the entire supreme court would look different. that's what black power looks like. you're able to shape the conversation and shape the policy direction of this country and you're not just existing on

the margins being called in for your 15% when white people disagree. >> what does that look like literally? when you talk about young people who went to vermont, are you suggesting young, black people go to where, exactly? >> absolutely. i outline nine states that i think are prime targets. these are states that already have 25 to 30 -- mississippi has 34% of the black population. so you already have a running start. and doesn't take as many black people reverse migrating to do it. you don't have to reach majority in order to have real impact. part of what happened here in georgia was -- on the one hand, it was amazing organizing by a number of groups, but on the other hand what happened in georgia was a result of the reverse migration.

the black population of georgia doubled from 1990 to 2020 to 3.4 million people. that meant that the percentage of black people in the electorate went from -- in 1992 from 25% to now 33%. that's not a whole majority. but it was enough to mean that black people with the majority of the coalition to turn the state blue and it was a majority of the coalition that elected not one but two senators and that was the first time that that had happened in american history. >> charles, good to see you. thank you for joining us. we'll have to make another appointment. charles blow author of "the devil you know." we have another packed hour just ahead. i'm going to talk to james clyburn and maxine waters about the upcoming impeachment trial against the former president. we're going to talk about covid relief as well. later on "the sunday show,"

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the second impeachment trial of donald j. trump for incitement of insurrection is two days away. now new reporting that the failed former president's election lies have cost american

taxpayers $519 million and counting. and president biden pledges to push ahead with covid relief but says he's willing to negotiate on who gets help. will democrats agree to a plan that sends relief checks to fewer americans than trump did? "velshi" starts now. ♪♪ good morning. it is sunday, february the 7th. there are two days until the start of the second impeachment trial of the failed former president for incitement of insurrection and we continue to learn more about his attempt to destroy american democracy and how close he came to doing it. the "new york times" reports, the failed former president almost brought disgraced former lieutenant general and convicted felony michael flynn back into the government as either chief of staff or even, get this, director of the fbi. the same fbi michael flynn lied to about his secret