does it mean the teachers are in the classrooms with the students? >> absolutely critical. thank you very much for being with us this morning. thanks all of you for being at the start of this historic week. i think it's just worth reminding everyone that this is actually something that happens this week. what happens if the response to january 6th will be in the civics books. it's not like any other week in washington. don't go anywhere. "morning joe" starts right now. >> with all that you've done, where does this rank? is this crowning the achievement? >> i'm not putting any -- making any comparisons. being out here and experiencing it with this group of guys, every year is amazing. and this team is world champions forever. you can't take it away from us. >> tom brady and the tampa bay buccaneers dominate the kansas

city chiefs, winning the franchise's second super bowl title and the 7th of brady's legendary career. good morning and welcome to "morning joe". sit monday, february 8th. with us we have white house reporter for "the associated press", jonathan lemire, host of msnbc politics nation and president of the national action network, reverend al sharpton joins us this morning. we also have co founder of punch bowl news anna palmer with us, and senior columnist for "the daily beast", matt lewis joins us. i'm just going to get my purse out and start cleaning it. because i know you're going to talk brady. >> jonathan lemire, you grew up with this guy in new england. >> it's kind of cool. . >> even you couldn't have imagined how he could have won last night's game on what was widely believed to be the best team in professional football. >> yeah, joe.

tom brady the greatest of all time. tampa's defense dominated patrick mahomes, who is a wonderful player. i know there was some calls, officiating was suspect early. but that didn't matter. this was a thoroughly one-sided game. and tom brady at this point has seven. he has no more rival in the sport. it is not about joe montana, peyton manning, john elway, or any of your other favorite quarterbacks. that is not his peer group. it is michael jordan, wayne

gretzky, ma muhammad ali. he did it at age 43. just a spectacular night, story. and he made clear, gentlemen, he's not done. he's planning on coming back next year. and i wouldn't bet against him. >> i don't agree with that. . >> my only correction, even as you go across sports, there really aren't comparisons. i hear it with joey scarborough. who is the great 6th of all time. that's a debate that could go on and on. reverend al, when you talk professional football and quarterbacks, there's just no comparison anymore.

he really is in a league of his own. >> and he earned it. you have to give him that. i am not a great football fan. i watch the super bowl. that's my participation with football. >> yeah. >> but i was extremely amazed to see how lopsided this game was. all my football fan friends said watch it. it's going to be close. it will be down to one play. this team dominated. he earned his place and i agree he is the greatest of all time in nfl quarterbacks. there is no question about it. >> he didn't back into this either. it's not like they played a bad team. they played the best team in professional football against the best quarterback in professional football against a guy who has many great years ahead of him in patrick mahomes.

mika, this really was an extraordinary evening for tom brady. this is a team in september, october, november, they were 7-5. in the playoffs when i asked joey scarborough, i said who is going to win the super bowl, he said the buccaneers. i said you're out of your mind. come on. you love brady a little too much. who is going to win the super bowl. he said the patriots are going to win the super bowl. he said it, and he was right. >> he was. and let's think about the path brady took here. they couldn't have any off-season workouts because of covid. limited practice time. he goes and has to learn an entirely new system. in the playoffs defeats drew brees, aaron rodgers and now patrick mahomes. yes, it pains me not to see him

in a patriots uniform. there was a part of me that saddened me for not seeing gronkowski score touchdowns. there are accomplishments for both men. but for brady, seven super bowls. he will never see anything like this again. he is so far ahead. it's tom brady and everybody else. >> okay. okay. we're good. >> she thinks it's taking too long. >> i think your sons will never watch football with me again because i am having philosophical conversations about whether it is a safe sport so they just sent me to bed. >> house impeachment managers are planning a fast-paced heavy -- video-heavy

presentation aimed at reigniting the outrage lawmakers felt after last month's deadly capitol riot. they have planned to show a lot of video. the "washington post" reports that in addition to using new video evidence to create emotionally charged impeachment trial, house managers want to present witness testimony and updated details about injured officers to make republicans uncomfortable as most have indicated they will do. the impeachment managers also plan to present fresh evidence that reveals what trump new in advantage of the january 6th rampage at the capitol, as well as how his words and actions influenced those who participated. the paper continues, the managers are determined to

present as much evidence as senators allow to ensure perms. >> somehow we will impeach everybody who says go fight to hear your voices heard, we ought to impeach chuck schumer then. he went to the supreme court and said, hey, gorsuch, hey kavanaugh, you have unleashed a whirlwind and you are going to pay the price. you won't know what hit you if you continue with these decisions. there has to be a consistent standard. and to my mind it is a partisan farce because they are not doing anything to omar, maxine waters. >> the house did an incredibly poor job of building a case before their impeachment vote. the president wasn't there.

he didn't allow counsel. in five hours they judged and, boom, he's impeached. now, i'm told under the watergate, clinton impeachments, there are truckloads of information. here, it was a video. there was no process. it's almost like, you know, if it happened in the soviet union you would have called it a show trial. >> yeah. i'm ready to move on. i'm ready to end the impeachment trial because it is blatantly unconstitutional. i'm ready to get on with solving the nation's problems. >> well, let me tell you, first of all, rand paul, i know you will be shocked by this but rand paul of course misrepresented what happened. didn't tell the whole story. a half-truth of course is a full lie. he got quotes from shuck schumer on what he said. when he said that the next day

chuck schumer apologized and said i shouldn't have said what i said. the words came out of my mouth wrong. no apologies for rand paul inciting riots with his lies. still no apologies from ted cruz or of course no apoloie from josh hawley for their words and votes that incited riots. there lies the big lie that led to the death of cops. rand paul never apologized for the conspiracy theory that led to the cop killers rushing in and killing cops. rand paul is responsible for the death of that cop. but he will never apologize for that. nor will lindsey graham. bill cassidy said it's a show trial. buddy, this is the way it works. you vote to impeach in the house. it's like a charging document.

no, you're not a lawyer. but the trial take place in the senate. so if you and tommy tuberville can get your arms around the basic process maybe you will be better prepared when it begins. finally, lindsey graham wants you to just move along, forget everything that happened here. lindsey wants you to forget that donald trump and people supporting donald trump attached to donald trump spent a lot of money putting together a rally that would lead to a riot. donald trump said i'll be there with you. rudy giuliani talked about combat justice. junior said something along the lines of we're coming to get you, we're coming for you. and it's going to be fun.

and so this is what lindsey graham wants you to forget. this is what josh hawley wants you to forget. this is what donald trump wants you to forget. they want you to forget these maga terrorists beat a cop to death. they want you to forget these trump supporters are cop killers. they want you to forget these trump supporters beat a cop with an american flag. they want you to forget all of that. and just say it's time to move along. well, you know what, matt lewis, a lot of americans aren't ready to move along. true conservatives, true conservatives, not -- well, conservatives as defined by ben sasse who last week said conspiracy theories are not

conservative. ben sasse said lying about presidential outcomes and elections not conservative. putting your politics and power politics against your faith in jesus christ not conservative. conseratives like ben sasse and i think you and me aren't ready to just let this go. we actually think there needs to be accountability. if terrorists storm the heart of american democracy to stop a constitutional count, what would we be if we just turned a blind eye like lindsey graham wants us to turn a blind eye to this eye rotting and to this cop killing. . >> that's right, joe. part of being a conservative is about conserving liberal democracy. and i don't know if you can do that if you're allowing people who want to overthrow elections

to do so with impunity. what kind of message does that send not just to donald trump but to the next guy, to the next president. so i think that if you care about preserving this miracle, i think that what we have, this american democracy is precious. i believe it's fragile. and conservatives used to believe that. and if we allow attempts to overthrow elections to intimidate people, to threaten. this thing -- we just have to keep me minding everybody. i'm sure it will be in the democrats' impeachment presentation. this could have ended up a lot worse than it did. we could have ended up with mike pence even potentially killed. if we allow that sort of lawlessness and intimidation to

influence our elections and not to be punished, for there to be nobody held accountable, i think we are inviting more of it in the future. that's no way to keep together a fragile democracy. . >> yeah. and let me just say conservatives still believe that there have to be consequences to actions like this. if you're a terrorist and you commit a terrorist act, you get caught and you get sent to jail. it doesn't matter whether you're an islamic terrorist, a trump terrorist. there has to be justice for you. so, no, we're not -- real conservatives are not ready to turn a blind eye to what happened january 6th. >> it seems we are. >> lindsey graham and rand paul are members on of a personality cult. they're not conservatives. look at their votes the last four years. biggest budget ever, biggest federal debt growth ever.

supporting a president shredding. tell me what does this week look like? what is your reporting showing you? is this going to be a repeat of the first impeachment or are there a few republicans that will sit, take in the evidence, try to figure out what is best for the united states constitution, and for this government and then vote? >> this is going to be a show. but we don't expect that there is going to be, unless there's some very revealing new testimony that you are going to see 17 republicans vote to impeach this president. will ben sasse, mitt romney, lisa murkowski, susan collins, are they going to hear what this

trial has once it is presented and vote to impeach him? i don't think you will see mitch mcconnell take a vote to impeach this president. theres no signal that there is an app sight among senate republicans to actually try to impeach the president. i think mitch mcconnell knows that. and i think he would have problems within his conference. because more people feel like lindsey graham or rand paul and you have this moderate or independent bloc in the republicans in the senate. >> it's going to be fascinating to watch. there is a battle going on in the house where you have kevin mccarthy, who has turned a blind eye to actually all of his conservative values that he claimed to once believe. and he is in a pitched battle with liz cheney who sounds and talks and acts and votes like

conservatives used to. . >> the question is, is that the republican party anymore? >> it doesn't look like it. >> it doesn't. >> still ahead on "morning joe", we'll look at where president biden's coronavirus relief package stands this morning as democrats prepare to unveil a new plan to help fight child poverty. >> plus, does the republican party belong to donald trump. that's what we're talking about this morning. turns out the answer may depend who you ask. we'll explain that ahead. you're watching "morning joe". we'll be right back. we'll be right back.

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a record number of americans voted for president trump. record number of republicans voted for president trump. republican voters support him still. the party is his.

it doesn't belong to anybody else. >> we're the party of abraham lincoln, ronald reagan. we have to take a hard look at who we are. we should not be embracing the former president. >> i have to say for -- the comment of a record number of republicans voted for president trump. you could have said that about hillary clinton in 2016. a record number of americans voted for hillary clinton in 2016. what standard is that? she lost. donald trump lost. he lost by a record number. he lost to the guy who got a record number of votes from all americans. but i hear that quote that it is his party and his party alone. matt lewis, before we go into this segment, isn't that what we

always bristled at what we heard people say that about fidel castro in cuba, when we read about stalin, the party was stalin's and stalin's alone. isn't that what we were concerned about with chairman mao. it was what the chairman said it was. just like the communist party in cuba was, what fidel castro said it was. if it was murdering catholics, it was murdering catholics. if it was shutting down newspaper and gelling people because they dare to speak freely, that's what fidel castro would do. if it was shooting down planes, cessnas, then that's -- that's what he would do. and so now to hear this coming from a member of congress, no matter who the member of

congress is, it sounds very ominous that the party is donald trump and donald trump is whatever. this is tyrannical thinking. >> it's cult-like really. it really is. it's certainly not conservative. i don't even think it is american, joe. this is like making an idol out of donald trump. it's cult-like. it's weird. a political leader who loses the presidency, loses the senate during his tenure, loses the house during his tenure, i think he actually sabotaged the senate in georgia, should not be someone that a party is then clinging to for the future. this is the stuff of strong men and of cults. we should not place our trust in

earthly princes. we should place our trust in a higher authority, the almighty of course. but also the constitution and principles. not an individual. people will let you down. >> amen. and i think ronald reagan would say don't look to me to be your guiding light at all times. but trump wants that worship, i think. >> and he's getting it from a lot of people. on saturday, the republican party in liz cheney's home state of wyoming, voted to censure her for her vote to impeach donald trump. show wrote, i swore to the constitution. wyoming citizens know that this oath does not bend or yield to politics or partisanship.

this after she defeated an effort to remove her as conference chair. two sources tell "axios" cheney rejected a request from house minority leader kevin mccarthy to apologize for her vote to impeach. here's more from congresswoman cheney. >> is this still the party of donald trump and does marjorie taylor greene still hold a solid place in that party? . >> we are the party of abraham link, we're the party of ronald reagan. we have to take a hard look for who we are, what we stand for and what we believe in. when you look at both of his actions leading up to january 6th, the fact that he was impeached in a bipartisan fashion, the fact that he lost the presidency, the fact that we lost the senate. we have to be in a position where we say we stand for principles. we stand for ideals.

someone who provoked an attack to prevent the counting of electoral votes which resulted in five people dying, who refused to stand up immediately when he was asked and stopped the violence, that is a person who does not have a role as a leader in the party going forward. we have to make sure we are able to convey we are the party of responsibility, of truth, that we actually can be trusted to handle the challenges the nation faces like covid. that will require us to focus on substance, policies and issues going forward. but we should not be embracing the former president. . >> by the way, she and i disagree on everything. but the question that comes to my mind, why does it take a woman to do something like this, to say something so basic? is it because she's the mother of five children and you can't aoe equivocate when you're parenting, that no means no. are there any men who can step up in congress? i know there's some in the

senate. are there any men who have the you know whats to step up and say what is clear, what the right thing. this is not about democrat or republican. this is about the right thing. it's about the constitution. it's about people who were killed. a riot on the capitol. i mean, it just seems to me there should be a man in congress who can step up and use his brain instead of whatever part of his body is thinking. it's not the constitution that's driving his thinking. it's some amped up desire to feed this beast of donald trump who is not even there! . >> what is the most interesting thing in all of what you said, whatever it was. kinzinger is there. fred upton. >> okay, great. >> several republicans have stepped forward. . but what is so interesting is

they fear a leader. >> and they equivocate on right or wrong. . >> to follow-up -- but, yeah, they don't care about -- these republicans in congress proved a long time ago they don't give a damn about what's right and what's wrong. they care about power. they are driven by winning. >> right. >> and they are now following cult-like, somebody that lost the white house, lost the senate, lost the house of representatives. the first president in u.s. history to be impeached twice, will never hold office again, whether anybody passes a resolution or not. it's over for him. he's lost. he's out. he's a one-term loser. close the book on him. and yet they still worship him. the question is, reverend al, why do they worship a man who has done more to damage the

republican party. this is not my opinion. historically. the first president since herbert hoover to lose the house, the senate and presidency while -- after he got elected to his one term. "the biggest loser" in the white house since hoover. so why would some back bench qanon types and kevin mccarthy still kowtow to this lose senator. >> the amazing thing to me is when you see them capitulate to somebody who has really brought them into political disaster. i was one that felt it was all a thirst for power and winning and maintaining power. when you have a loser bringing you one loss after another, there has to be something in their character, some weakness they have. i'm a product of the black church. i grew up in the church, as you did, joe. and i was always warned there

was a gap between building the church and building a cult. cults are built around needing weak people or children to hold them up. these people may need therapy as well as defeats because there is something in their character that gives a need for somebody like donald trump to fulfill, as he walks them into disaster. it is amazing to me that even as we face this trial this week that they are sitting there debating about whether or not this man, who not only incited the insurrection, sat silently watching it like he was watching a sports game while it was going on and did nothing to stop the violence. and they are still loyal to that. it says as much about them as it does him. . >> again, this is objective. you can look back and look on your google machine. or if you don't have one, go next door and ask your neighbor

to kick start it to read theirs. but in 2017, it was republicans, donald trump republicans who got routed in local raises, in governorships. in 2018, it was trump republicans who lost by the largest vote margin ever in congressional races. and republicans lost the majority in the house of representatives in 2019. they lost governorships in such southern states as kentucky and louisiana in the south. lost those. and in 2020, he lost the everything for the republican party. and you still have people saying this is donald trump's republican party. why? why? you are following him down a

rabbit hole. he has lost everything for you. and you're still following him. i don't get it. do what you want to do. you got 'em, smoke 'em. but keep them away from me because i don't want to be a loser like you. because he loses things. he's lost you everything. and so with that as a back drop, jonathan lemire, i'm just curious, we showed a clip of liz cheney and the qanon republican back bencher. whose party is this? who is going to win out in the battle between liz cheney and the qanon back bencher? >> well, i'll start by answering it this way. for the long term health of the republican party, liz cheney better win that argument. this qanon back bencher, as you say, she is not presenting a winning version here. even setting aside how dangerous, irresponsible and

reckless her rhetoric is. if we look at the politics, not a formula set for long-term victory. it points to the inflection point. because donald trump still does have to holdover his party. or at the very least the fear among republicans of his supporters. because he does still remain so popular within the gop. anna, let me put this to you, you're so plugged in with the machinations of republicans on capitol hill, those in the house. we have seen a lot of jockeying and infighting there in recent weeks. of course we're about to have the senate impeachment trial begin tomorrow. give us the latest in terms of who right now has the more influential voices in that party? which part of this civil war, which side is winning, the liz cheney establishment side or marjorie taylor greene and the upstarts, those more beholden to president trump? >> i think what's really

important is to take a step back. you have the liz cheneys of the world who are having their moment now to say donald trump is wrong. but they are the outliers. they were elected by and with the support of donald trump. they aren't just there and donald trump happened and they kind of are aghast at what they have seen the last couple of years. these are people who are devoted to him and believe that he is going to be their leader for the foreseeable future. kevin mccarthy is looking at two years from now and wanting to be speaker. it's something that he was almost tasted and lost. and now he sees it within his sights again. and he's made a decision. his decision is clearly that donald trump is his way to that position of power. he has a photo with him. he went down to march law tkpoe

and talked to him. he's been fund-raising with them. donald trump is not going away when it comes to house republicans. you have started to see senate republicans try to distance themselves marjorie taylor greene from donald trump. >> all right. anna palmer and matt lewis, thank you both for being on this morning. and coming up, democrats are expected to unveil another part of the biden stimulus bill today aimed at stamping out child poverty. we will talk to the congresswoman about that. and the help aimed at helping pregnant women and new mothers. george joe is coming right back. s george joe is coming right back. hi, i'm a new customer and i want your best new smartphone deal.

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i'm going to act fast. if i have to choose from getting help for americans who are hurting so badly and getting bogged down in a lengthy negotiation or compromising on a bill that is up to the crisis, that's an easy choice. what republicans have proposed is either to do nothing or not enough. all of a sudden many rediscovered fiscal constraint and concerns for the deficit. don't kid yourself. this approach will come with a cost. more pain for more people for longer than it has to be. >> it is so crazy these republicans who haven't said a word about the deficit. >> all of a sudden they are conservatives. . >> they have been so extraordinarily reckless in the tax cuts, the most untattered,

unfolksed tax cuts unless you're extraordinarily wealthy and you run amazon and make billions of dollars and amazon paid zero in taxes last year. that's what the republicans were proud of the past four years. they let multinational corporations get away with economic murder, paying nothing in taxes, the least targeted. didn't target small businesses, didn't taurbgt entrepreneurs. it targeted the wealthiest. now suddenly after they paid off all their billionaire buddies and these companies. it remains me of the old line. they republicans preach capitolism to poor single moms but socialism to their biggest donors. >> they are expected unveil legislation that provides $3,000

per child to american families aimed at making a major dent in child poverty. as part of a 1.9 trillion economic relief package. joining us now democratic congressman lauren underwood of illinois, also a registered nurse. first of all, pertaining to your stitch wentz, how they are holding up against the virus. and is there any room for debate within this bill? . >> well, good morning, mika. what we have seen here in illinois is a rising number of case. we know we are not on a path to economic recovery unless we crush this virus. that is the priority. but i welcome the news of this type of family-related stimulus. we know our families need economic relief. when we look at the toll that the covid virus has taken on our

local economies, we know so many families have been struggling to make ends meet, to pay their pills and to, you know, recovery. so i think this is a welcomed -- >> congresswoman underwood, al sharpton. you represent a district that clear you are a rising star nationally, a risen star nationally. but clearly you have had a heart for the district. and we have seen a disproportionate impact on people of color in this pandemic. how important is this relief bill, particularly to people that you represent in congress and people that have been not only hit but hit the hardest during this pandemic? . >> well, the data is very clear that black and brown communities have been disproportionately impacted. we are more likely to be front line workers. as a result, more likely to be diagnosed with covid-19 and more likely to die. and so in this relief package,

we will be able to get advancements in data. only half the states are publicly reporting their covid diagnoses and death data. also pregnant status, right, an important step forward. that will be in the package. i'm very pleased to hear about the biden administration plans for vaccine distribution targeting those communities have have been most directly impacted. people need to be able to get access to this vaccine. >> yeah. jonathan lemire, we are in the middle of a pandemic that has killed almost half a million people. bizarre and unprecedented times. the need is real and grave.

and it is true what the president said, that the republicans have just now seemed to discover fiscal responsibility. and i ask you, i mean, it seems like they are going to go big with this package rather than bipartisan. when do we reset and actually try and work together, or is it not possible as long as trump republicans exist in the republican party? >> as we wrote this weekend, the president's instinct was to go bipartisan. he has talked to republicans on the phone, hosted them at the white house, relying on his decades from being a liaison with president obama on the hill. the urgency of the crises and lessons he learned from republicans' lack of support in 2009 during that economic crisis has made them on the brink of going this alone. going big, but going alone.

probably very little in the way of republican support. congresswoman underwood, i wanted to go to you and ask are they so dire and crystal clear, republicans still refusing to get on board with this package. what hope, what faith do you have going forward that the republicans in either house of congress, including your own, are going to be reliable governing partners as they deal with the after-effects of this pandemic. this isn't going to be the last relief bill, the last major crisis that the biden administration will face. can republicans be counted on to help? . >> well, we know their constituents are supportive of the bill. we know their constituents are eager for financial relief. we know covid has impacted communities, rural communities, suburban communities.

i represent a district like that too. that my constituents are very supportive of this relief package. they feel that sense of urgency. they are looking for their members of congress to be leaders in this effort. and so i expect when our package comes to the floor for a vote that we will earn the support that of house republicans. depending on the size of the vote we might be able to nudge a few republicans as well. . >> i want to ask you about the momnibus act. it has been a huge issue for years now. what does it do? who are you trying to help? >> in the united states, black women are three to four more likely to die of a pregnancy-related cause of white women. this is a disparity that has been around my entire lifetime. and i'm 34 years old. last year we introduced a

comprehensive large bill called the momnibus act to address this disparity. we know there are solutions, whether talking about increasing the perinatal workforce, transportation, we are reintroducing that legislation today. we have a new partner in senator cory booker. we have expanded from 9 bills to 12. we will address climate change and two bills explicitly to deal with the impacts of covid-19. we have seen a real gap in information for pregnant and lactating and postpartum women related to vaccine. we have seen a real gap in the participation of this these clinical trials. and we have seen a disparity when pregnant women of color get

diagnosed with covid-19, they have far worse health outcomes than white women. and we can save lives. we can make a real impact on communities. and we can help all women by targeting these investments and these policy interventions. and i'm excited about the bipartisan support we have gone so far. . >> and representative underwood, before you go, we are asking all of our tkpefts for black history month to talk about a black american that you want to put a frame around. how do you know irving and why have you chosen her? . >> she was my friend from graduate school at johns hopkins university. she was a brilliant epidemiologist, dedicated her life to ending heating disparities. when she was expecting her first child soleil, she died three weeks after child birth. this is a woman who did everything right.

had health care, highly educated, had employment, went to all of her appointments. and still we lost her. and so she is what really motive -- her death is what motivated me to do this work in the conference. and i am so honored to be able to recognize her incredible life, her contribution to the public health sciences and to lift up her story today in honor of black history month. >> congresswoman lauren underwood, thank you. thank you very much for being on this morning. still ahead, the highly contagious uk strain of coronavirus is spreading so quickly that researchers fear it could be the mainstream here in the u.s. we'll have more on those concerns. more joe is coming right back. r.

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there's a chapel in kansas standing on the exact center of the lower 48. it never closes. all are more than welcome. to come meet here in the middle. it's no secret. the middle has been a hard place to get to lately, between red and blue, between serving and citizen, between our freedom and our fear. now, fear has never been the best of who we are. and as for freedom, it's not the property of just the fortunate few. it belongs to us all. whoever you are, wherever you're from, it's what connects us. and we need that connection. we need the middle.

he just have to remember the very soil we stand on is common ground. so we can get there. we can make it to the mountain top, through the desert, and we will cross this divide. our light has always found its way through the darkness. and there's hope on the road up ahead. >> beautiful. the super bowl ad was from jeep. it's called the middle starring bruce springsteen. good morning. welcome back to "morning joe". it is monday, february 8th.

let's bring doni deutsche into the conversation, and host of "way too early" and capitol hill correspondent kasie hunt. i've been thinking about springsteen a lot the past couple of years regarding not only his politics. he's always been a democrat. i don't know if he's registered as a democrat, but he has always seemed to lean that way. you go back and listen to all of his early work, "born to run," "river," nebraska. he is sing to go working class people, an overwhelming majority most likely who voted for donald trump. so i thought he was a -- it was

a perfectly placed person to deliver that poignant message last night. i thought it was a very moving ad. >> it was fantastic. springsteen has been the one that got away from madison avenue. because for all the reasons you just talked about because he is american. he can bridge the gap between the red and blue as the ad talks about, and meet in the middle. and he shied away from advertising. word has it he got around 5 million bucks for that ad. it is nonofficial, but that seems to be the number. what was interested is it was symbolic of where we need to go but also you notice there were no people in the ad. here we are talking about uniting america. and yet no humanity. advertisers are faced with what do we look like today? how do you show too much

multiculturalism, not enough. historically we were able to show the humanity of america and put up imagery we could agree this is all who they are. really think about it. you are doing a full minute on the united -- reunited states of america. and yet there are no americans other than springsteen. the message was obviously the message of the times. anthem of where we need to go. it shows the difficulty in getting there. and i thought that was an interesting kind of sobering irony of the ad. the message is the right one. if you are going to continue to be the party of mtg, you will probably cycle through another losing cycle in the midterms until you understand it lives currently right of center. but that should be something they should put on the bulletin

boards of all republicans because that is the way you win general elections, my friends. >> well, you could say the same of democrats. i'm not talking about conspiracy theories. but democrats took an absolute pounding in the house this year, losing 25 of 25 competitive races. they under performed in the senate until democrats came in and was the biggest star in the state of georgia and help the democrats take back control of the senate. but with springsteen what you saw is beautifully imagery for middle america that springsteen brought up during -- you got those images just listening to nebraska. the catholic boy who had churches in the background, the inside of a mall little country church. in the ad.

bleak landscapes at times. an american in the heartland has struggled over the past 40, 50 years. and is looking for a comeback. but this is a spiritual comeback. this is a comeback for the search of what john meacham calls the soul of america. and, kasie hunt, i thought it was one of the more moving ads from last night. >> it definitely was moving, joe. and, you know, i think the point that donnie is underscoring here, it is really difficult to find images that everyone in america now receipts to. we didn't see images of cities in this ad. it was very nostalgic for an america that, as donnie said, we all used to be united around. and one of the things that, you know, donald trump looked at how

americans were divided from each other, whether it's by race or ethnicity or urban or rural. and he did not shy away from leaning into that over and over and over again. he exploited the divisions for his own political gain. and that's one of the biggest differences between donald trump and some of the presidents we have held up, even if they win by running a nasty campaign, for the most part they come into office, they look around, they're in the oval, the president of the united states, they face challenges and realize we are all in this together and their job is to lead every american. most presidents run on those campaign themes. they say i'm going to be the president for all of you.

even joe biden has said this. it's not a partisan thing. if you elect me, i will be president for all of you, even for the people that didn't vote for me. and i think that's part of why that ad feels so nostalgic and so emotional in a way is because we have just gone so used to instead of feeling as though that is the goal, that we're going to wrap our arms around, we will put our common humanity first, we have been living with somebody who makes us all feel and focus on the things that are different between us. and hopefully we're moving away from that. >> and that's -- there are the remnants of that still in the republican party, mainly in the house of republicans but some in the senate. certainly some on the local level, mika. but you do look at presidents in the past. george w. bush said he was a

uniter, no the a divider. barack obama after him saying i don't see a red or blue america, i see the united states of america. and those presidents came up short in their efforts to bring america together. and donald trump and worked every day, it was his political strategy. not a bug but a feature to divide us into two different merck's. and now we'll see if joe biden can do, well, exactly what bruce springsteen was talking about that in ad. it was an ad. but that message is a strong message. can he find the middle? not the ideological middle, not a mushy middle. but can he find common ground? can he get us to look down and see that we actually all are standing on common ground. >> it's going to be a big challenge for him, especially as

the second impeachment trial for former president donald trump gets under way tomorrow. house impeachment managers are planning a fast-paced video heavy presentation aimed at reigniting the outrage lawmakers felt after last month's deadly riot. in addition to using new video evidence to create an emotionally charged impeachment trial, house managers want to present witness testimony and updated testimony about injured officers to make republicans uncomfortable to vote against as most have indicated they will do. they plan to produce fresh evidence that reveals what trump knew in advance of the january 6th rampage at the capitol and how his words and actions influenced those two participated. the managers are determined to present as much evidence as

senators allow to ensure a permanent record of trump's role in the riots. >> jonathan lemire, what can you tell us about the week ahead and this second impeachment of donald trump? >> historic, to be sure. they will try to underscore the managers of this impeachment, the terror of that day. as many republicans have said to me since january 6th, that if somehow this trial had been held january 7th or 8th, we would be in a different place right now. they felt they themselves were the victims here. they heard the rioters chant for blood and said they wanted to hang mike pence and hurt speaker pelosi. there was real fear and danger that president trump led them, these rioters to the doorstep.

and we have had this cooling off. making political calculations, still being afraid of president trump and his supporters. but democrats going into this feel like that role needs to be underscored. the aside are we know the verdict before this trial even begins. it would be truly a surprise if president trump were convicted and therefore removed from office, barred from running again. but democrats feel like this needs to be done. senators need to be put on record for their vote. reminded of the violence that came that day. it needs to be recorded in the history books. this can't be something they just let go. this is politically inconvenient for president biden. they want to make the focus the covid bill. they want to move on other things. but they recognize they're not going to get in the way either. this has to be done. it has to be done for the

democrats, to make republicans vote, has to be done for americans, for the history books. >> well, you know, we are talking about a divided country needing to find the middle. there has to be justice before we can move on. and of course there may not be justice. but members of congress need to be recorded and where they stand on whether they supported this insurrection or not. whether they want to let the president, who was solely responsible. >> and who is gone. >> and whether they want to let him off the hook. the excuses were pathetic on the sunday shows. rand paul has been pathetic in his excuses he made for donald trump. i haven't figured out exactly what's in it for this guy. but yesterday he said, well, this is just like chuck schumer when he said some things about the supreme court. when he said something about justice kavanaugh. well, it would be the same thing

if the next day schumer held a rally. >> and watched in joy. . >>. >> and merrick garland say let's apply combat justice. and his son saying we're coming after you. but what happened with chuck schumer, the next day he apologized in his words and said they didn't come out the way he meant for them to come out with. that is what everybody on both sides have been doing for 100 years and what donald trump has done over the past four years. lindsey said let's just put it behind us. let's just forget it. you know, he didn't say that after 9 /11. he didn't say it after the islamic terrorist attacks.

we have trump terrorists, and call them by their name. they are trump terrorists. they we have cop killers in that crowd. we have maga terrorists in that crowd that used the american flag, the american flag that so many people have fought and died for. that they held up at he hire ro jima. they used it to brutalize a police officer. and they are worried about people dealing. you can have that debate. mika and i have had that debate. all right. but here if you're on the side you can't even kneel while the

national anthem is being played, but you're saying, let's just forget about the fact that they used an american flag to brutalize a police officer. something is wrong with you. >> it's incredibly -- >> your values have completely, your american values have collapsed. because you're worshipping a weak leader who has done nothing but lose in the last four years. >> and you are turning away from the people who worked alongside you, protected you, to move on from this is incredibly invalidating to the people who you worked with and who protected you. as for the investigation, the department of justice and the fbi are continuing their pursuit over those who stormed the u.s. capitol just over one month ago. the past week, arrests have been made of alleged rioters across the country. in washington, these

self-described sergeant of arms of the seattle chapter of the proud boys was arrested after prosecutors named him as chief organizer of a mob that marched on the capitol that fateful day. in nevada, two people were arrested in las vegas tied to the riots. in texas, a member of the proud boys was arrested, charged with knowingly entering a restricted building and violent entry and disorderly contact on capital grounds, the eighth person to be arrested in north texas in connection with the riots. in north carolina, a 32-year-old man became that state's second resident to face federal charges in the capitol riot. and in illinois, federal authorities arrested a man who allegedly appears in a tiktok video fighting with members of the national guard outside the capitol during the january 6th insurrection. "the guardian" reports that all

56 fbi field offices are engaged in a huge investigation that ranks alongside the biggest the bureau has conducted. so far 235 people across 40 states have been arrested either by the fbi, capitol police or local washington, d.c. offices. >> and what is so disturbing is how comfortable every one of these terrorists are filming themselves doing these acts. most mobs, terrorists, they don't take selfies of themselves while they are breaking into the united states capitol, while they're breaking into a government building. and then brag about it. these people obviously felt, for whatever reason, like they were beyond reproach, that they could be terrorists, they could go in and commit sedition against the united states by stopping a constitutional action by the united states congress.

and they wouldn't be brought to justice. i think that's all the morrone why it is critical that the fbi does launch the largest manhunt in u.s. history, drag all of these people into prison, recommend that they stay there. and if they're inside the capitol for a full 20 years for committing dedivision against the united states of america. >> if the justice department does not do that, they are really saying they are not criminal and they are confirming their illusion that they have the right to do what they did and they are in fact, patriots, which is also why the senate must have this trial this week because it was the president that gave them this false confirmation that they were in fact, heroes so they could be proud of taking selfies and proud of letting people know that they are part of saving america, which is why i think going to your point of even the

bruce springsteen commercial of bringing americans together, the real americans must deal with coming together. we have disagreements, different parts i think donnie deutsche is right, that springsteen was the right person to appeal to a part of america that is isolated from other parts of america that some of us that have been raising issues. but if we look for that mountain top, we can come there together. and i think that is where we need to go. but you can't talk about reuniting the country without first establishing what does that mean in terms of reunite around what are we going to have one definition of justice and fairness and hold the flag up that means something. some of us watched the super bowl yesterday believing in that. i'm thinking of colin kaepernick while i'm watching it. someone else is thinking of someone else. but all of us are watching the same game. and we've got to cross the same goal line. >> there's also the financial

impact of former president trump's onslaught of falsehoods about the results of the 2020 election. according to a "washington post" review of local, state, and federal spending records, as well as interviews with government officials, the total cost is $519 million and counting. the expenditures reportedly include legal fees prompted by dozens of fruitless lawsuits, enhanced security in response to death threats against poll workers, and costly repairs needed after the january 6th capitol riot. that attack also triggered the expensive a massing of thousands of national guard troops on the streets of washington and fears of additional extremist violence. the "post" notes, $480 million of the total is attributable to the military's estimated expenses for troop deployment through mid-march. the financial impact of trump's

refusal to concede is probably much higher. according to the paper, the true costs may never be known. . >> well, and so this is donnie deutsche, the cost of the big lie. and you can talk about that half a billion. dollars. the terrorist attack by trump terrorists. you can talk about maga cop killers, rushing into the capitol. maga cop killers beating cops with american flags. you can talk about the added security costs as we move forward. the talk about a fence perimeter around the united states capital grounds. this is the big lie. this is anne applebaum in her book "twilight of democracy," has talked about how we have seen medium-sized lies. but this was the big lie by

donald trump, that the election was stolen. we have a big lie that we are going to have to deal with moving forward, which is believe what you see on facebook but don't believe what you hear or see on tv or in newspapers. because that's how more lies are going to be spread in the future. for right now, this big lie that the election was rigged is a big lie that men's of americans believed in. it's cost us half a billion dollars already and led to a terrorist attack on the united states capitol and will continue costing us well into the future. >> absolutely, joe. i want to weave this back to something in your last hour that you talked about. this is still the party of donald trump and why going forward it's a suicide mission if they believe that. joe, you and i are a little bit older. we remember a sportscaster. let's go to the videotape. the tape that you have been showing throughout and we will

see throughout history of what that day looked like, what the maga terrorists looked like. it will always be the definition of what a trump presidency looked like and will look like, which disqualifies him. as an image guy, all i have to do is use that. that will always retell 90% of america of, oh, my god, this is what the history books will show donald trump's presidency to be like. so the result of that big lie is the actual end of donald trump. and this is the way history will remember that presidency. this is where history will remember that lie. and it will keep donald trump from every resurfacing -- he will resurface, but for being a viable again. those are the words. that will define him. there won't be a close second. so those images you have been playing throughout the show, we will make sure the big lie lives

on in in famy and donald trump never resurfaces in a viable way. >> well, those images really do effectively encapsulate his four years than any other images. he lied for four years. that was, again, not a bug but a feature of his presidency. you can look through the four years and see that. he wasn't bound by the truth at all. and that's what it led to. i'm curious, kasie hunt, just let's step back for a second. we played clips of liz cheney, i know you did on "way too early" this morning. you covered liz cheney for a while. she had a bid for a senate that didn't go well. she's been knocked around from time to time in washington, like everybody who goes to washington has. she has a father who i may like vice president cheney very much.

he's a father who is dismissed by darth vader by much of the washington elite and looked down upon by many people in the washington and new york elite. and yet here's liz cheney who has somehow become the republican republican, one of the few republicans to stand up and speak out against donald trump. i'll just ask, did you see this coming? did you see any evidence of this a year ago, that this would happen? >> you know, it's funny you invoke thatcher, joe. the word i was thinking of, liz cheney and dick cheney, iron. that is something you could see from liz cheney when she first came to washington. it's very clear she has learned

so much from her father. it's part of why she is still in the house. you're right, she made some miss steps early on in wyoming but she course corrected. she decided she wasn't going to run even though people urged her to do it. she is out there making a bet on history. and if you look at the arkansas of her father's career, he did the same thing. dick cheney, while, yes, we will always remember him, certainly those of us who are my age, remember him as george w. bush's vice president, but the career he had before that was long and very influential in the course of our country's history. and that i think is really the thing that we should focus on this week. because, yes, we can talk about so many incidents, so many things donald trump has done. so many moments, what are republicans going to do in this moment in time. what liz cheney is showing is

that she understands what happened january 6th is going to be remembered by history. and over the course of the next two or three days, maybe the next week, week and a half, we are going to have to watch and relive and for me i was there. i've been pretty up front about the fact that it was very emotionally affecting for those who were there. they are going to have to sit and relive that terrifying day. they are going to have to watch what the president said, what he inspired his supporters to do, what happened after that. they are going to have to watch those cops being attacked with american flags. and then immediately after they and all of us, in the country have watched that again, they are going to have to vote. and they are going to be forced to say where are you on this question of history? and it's clear from tape that you have already played today, some will say, you know what, i'm going to vote to acquit this man. this whole thing is a farce.

really? is it? >> yeah. . >> and liz cheney is out there saying i know what this means for history. this, this is what kids are going to be studying in 50 years, in 100 years. it is this. it may not be the actual campaign. we do so much campaign coverage. i love covering election nights. it's a blast. but this is something people will be studying for generations. and i think a lot of republicans in particular have lost sight of that in the day-to-day politics of the moment and the challenges that are donald trump. >> you know, i -- mika will tell you that i squeeze in time to read history every day. and if i'm working and moving around the house, chances are good i'm listening to history books on tape while i'm working, while i'm doing things. &do i have to be even that active a leader in history to understand that the trump

administration and the 40 years of donald trump are going to be boiled down to whether you like this or not, it just is. it's going to be boiled down to a few key events. it will be boiled down to charlottesville, to children being locked in cages and that being a stated, active goal of this administration where they sat around the table and raised hands and took that vote. and finally, it's going to be mainly the capitol hill riots that are going to be seen as the finale. the very predictable finale of four years of lies and propaganda. that's donald trump's -- that's the history of his administration. and these around him, those

republicans around him will be judged right now. republicans around him will be judged right now

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many researchers expect the coronavirus variant first found in britain to become the main strain in the u.s. within the next month. one study suggests the numbers of cases with the uk strain are doubling roughly every 10 days. meanwhile, new concerns about a different variant, south africa, put a hold on the u.s. of the astrazeneca oxford vaccine after it is proved in effective against that strain of the virus, a strain that has now reached at least 32 countries, including the united states. joining us now dean of the brown university school of public health dr. ashish jha and dr. dave campbell. you are looking at this variant spreading rapidly across the u.s.

what are we to make of them and will the vaccines cover them? >> mika, good morning. this is a big race. so environment experts across -- viral experts are worried about the b 117 strain that is now spreading most rapidly in the state of florida where i am. it is very much a concern. we see if it doubles every 9 .1 days in florida. we see by late march, well into april, we will see that -- what's called the uk strain or the x 117 strain, the dominant strain in the united states. it's more transmissible.

35% to 45% more transmissible. so far the vaccinations are effective against this particular strain. the concern down in south africa, of course, is that that strain, the b1351 strain seems to be a bit more sneaky in its developing of mutations that avoid the impact of the vaccines that are currently available. mika? >> thank you, dave. excuse me. dr. jha, boy, this segment is going off the rails, isn't it? dr. jha, it's interesting, we see it around where we live. people are just exhausted by being locked up. we live in a community that has behaved very responsibly for much of the time. now on friday and saturday nights you go out and it looks like 2019.

too many people are just jammed together. no masks. it's like they have had enough. can you explain why now would be such a terrible time to do that given the fact that this variant that we have from the uk is spreading like wildfire, especially in the state of florida? >> yeah. good morning, joe. thanks for having me on. we're so close, we're so close to a point where everybody can get vaccinated. in april but certainly by may there will be more convenience. that means we will be able to put this thing largely behind us. and this is not the time. unfortunately, with this very, very contagious variant spreading, this is not the time to get sick. not that it was every the time to get sick. it is important for people to hold on. we are not saying hold on forever. it's the next couple of months. it is because this variant that things are so concerning right now.

>> dr. jha, good morning. it's kasie hunt. we mentioned briefly the as extra general qaa oxford vaccine and whether it's as effective. i was just wondering if you could dig a little deeper into the science to help us understand what the concern is there. and to tell us a little bit about what worries you in terms of trying to adapt vaccines to hit these new variants if in fact, they end up not working? . >> yeah. absolutely. so if you think about the coronavirus, it has these little spikes. the spike protein is what we target using our vaccines. and it's really effective. and the vaccines so far have been terrific. the problem with the south africa variant is that it acquired mutations that make it a little less susceptible to our vaccines. how much less susceptible, how big a deal is this? it is all preliminary. but the astrazeneca vaccine may

not be all that effective. i'm still pretty confident the moderna and johnson & johnson vaccines will be effective. maybe maybe not at 95% but prevent hospitalizations and deaths. that would be huge news. and we can update these vaccines. it's going to take a while. it takes about six weeks to update the vaccine. then you have to test it, produce it. so it will be several months before we have a really high quality vaccine against the variant. that is all in our toolbox. we should be working on alternative vaccines now. >> i am always hear for optimistic, dr. jha. can i ask you how it's going on the ground. i know you're in florida. we have family members in

florida, friends who have struggled to get vaccines to people who should have been first in line. people in their 90s, veterans and others. what is the biden administration doing now and are you seeing that actually translate on the ground to easier paths to vaccines for people who need them the most? . >> yeah. good morning. i wouldn't say it's easy. but it is improving down here in florida, as it is across the country. as publix picked up some of the slack by having more vaccinations available and other pharmacies now down in florida, it seems that we are hearing more and more that people are getting in line. i have a friend who had six computers open several days ago until he finally got a scheduled vaccination appointment. it's improving but it's this race against time where you have particularly vigilant and you have to be willing to spend the

time to make the appointment as the number of vaccines is increasing across this state. and this state is really i think a bellwether for what's happening across the country as we see the uk variant increasing in the state of florida. faster than any other state in the united states right now. dr. jha and dr. campbell, thank you for being on this morning. we appreciate it. still ahead, the latest in our 50 over 50 series of women breaking barriers. and this time it's the corporate glass ceiling. it is all tied to know your value and collaboration with forbes to highlight women over 50 who have achieved great success and paid it forward to others. you can nominate someone in your life or know your value and nominate yourself at knowyourvalue.com. while you're there, check out other great content we have to

offer. we're talking to the founder of a code. plus the fight to get harriet tubman on the dollar bill. and the first second gentleman and what that means for roycing boys. >> it is great. all of it is fantastic, mika. these are great stories. oh, also, we're going to have with us and it's going to be ugly, roger bennett. >> no. >> he will be rubbing my nose in dirt. . >> yes. >> about liverpool's complete and total collapse yesterday. it was ugly. that, plus, a former republican says joe biden shouldn't make a deal with his gop. we'll have that and much more when "morning joe" returns. ore when "morning joe" returns

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i'm going to act fast. if i have to choose between getting help right now to americans who are hurting so badly and getting bogged down in a lengthy negotiation or compromising on a bill that is up to the crisis, that's an easy choice. what republicans have proposed is either to do nothing north enough. all of a sudden many of them have rediscovered fiscal restrain and concern for the deficits. don't kid yourself. this approach will come at a cost. more pain for more people for longer than it has to be. >> joining us now former senior adviser for the house oversight committee, curt bardella, senior

adviser to the lincoln project and columnist for the times and at the university of texas and msnbc contributor, victoria defrancesca soto. >> i'm trying to be mr. peace, love and understanding here. telling the biden administration they need to reach out to republicans. they need to try to find the sweet spot where there can be compromise even if it's closer to the biden position than the republican position since they're in charge. but your attitude, man, you're like, i don't know if you have seen big mouth on netflix, but you are the hormone monster to twitter democrats saying, go for it, man. kill them. go for it now! you say don't compromise with the republicans. forget about the republicans. remember, though, what they did to you in 2009.

lay it out for us. >> listen, joe, when democrats last had full control of washington, the white house and the senate, it was back in 2009. and what republicans did back then, and i can say this because i was there. i was working with them. is we investigated the crap out of barack obama. we used every mechanism at our disposal to drag down his presidency. we made it very clear that on day one, as mitch mcconnell famously said, our agenda was to make barack obama a one-term president. and democrats did what they usually do. they tried to work in a bipartisan way. they tried to reach out across the aisle. what ended up happening they got shell lacked in 2010 and effectively ended barack obama's presidency when they lost the majority in congress. joe biden was there. he saw this as his vice president. a lot of people working in the white house was there. they saw what happened and how republicans conducted

themselves. so here we are right now, democrats have once again regained the reigns of power in washington. you could not have had a clearer separate message of what the republican and democratic vision was. yet the american people spoke unanimously and said they wanted republicans to lose the reigns of power, they wered the democratic vision to persist. and that's what they got. so the biden administration, democrats in congress have been given this power, this mandate. they need to exercise it. if you ask the american people what the agenda they want, covid relief, having more checks, more money to get through covid, having a better plan to deal with covid, the issues of our time, the voters have spoken definitively. that's where the white house needs to listen to. don't listen to the republicans who wouldn't even acknowledge that you won the election in the first place. don't listen to the republicans who are about to give donald trump yet another free pass for

inciting violence and insurrection. listen to the voters. they have spoken. you have a mandate. you have the power. you need to use it. that's what people will respond to. don't tread cautiously or lightly. be also need to build back trust between democrats and republicans, which has been lost for decades, actually. not just over the past four years. and there is blame on both sides. but doesn't it start with democrats being democrats and republicans being republicans again? >> it does. but to kurt's point about, you know, the democrats not being able to trust republicans, i think it is a little bit more nuanced because if we were how longing about the homogenous party of either all trump or all romney, then i think things get clear.

but the fact of the matter is that the gop right now is essentially two separate parties. early yes were were talking about liz cheney. she is that romney type of republican. but you still have the marjorie taylor greene. how do you negotiate with a party that can't negotiate with itself? it is this context that it is so difficult for democrats to figure out how to proceed because, yes, there is potential common ground between the romneys and the joe biden in the stimulus, looking to put forward aim for families. there is some really fruitable nuggets of collaboration. but then we're seeing on the split screen the impeachment hearing that's going on, republicans saying, no, we're going to acquit donald trump. i think the breakdown happens because one party can't agree amongst itself. >> jonathan la mere.

>> kurt, i wanted to follow up with your point here about democrats using this moment to go it alone, to forge forward and potentially even draw some blood, if you will from republicans. talk to us about that strategy right now. it is of course, as victoria just said, the impeachment said. the airways we filled with the horrific scenes from the capitol leaving them so clearly to the words of president trump that does remain the dominant force in politics. we also have marjorie taylor greene, who is becoming a new visible face of the republican party, who is out there day after day, still popular among some of her colleagues to drag down the ticket going forward. are those two things, qanon, the trial, can they twin this to drive home a point to voters that republicans can't be

trusted and can't be worked with? >> i think they can. and i look at the new head. they rolled out a series of ads targeting the vulnerable members of congress and making them own the fact that marjorie taylor greene has become one of the faces of the republican party. we had a republican conference that spent more time thinking they should punish congresswoman liz cheney and gave a standing ovation to marjorie taylor greene, who is espoused in insane things tells you the republican party isn't two sides. it's one side that's been completely cannibalized by the other and there are a very vocal few left, mitt romney, liz cheney, who are trying to fight the old fight, but by and large, this party has been completely cannibalized. they are making the party own

this crazy. it reminds me of what happened after 9/11. when they made democrats look like they were soft on terror, soft on national security. now the shoe is on the other foot. after january 6th, democrats have that same opportunity to make sure that every republican now owns the insurrection of january 6th. every republican that looked the other way and won't hold donald trump accountable is coconspirators in what happened on january 6th. >> victoria, as i listen to a lot of this, you hear from many democrats, many people in black and brown communities, yes, don't let the republicans get away with anything, don't cave. but at the same time, they want to see things happen. they want some revenge, but they mostly want results because our communities have suffered, particularly black and brown. how far do the democrats have to

go before they end up getting some beltway revenge but at the expense of some results out into the communities and to the areas of the country that are really going to judge them by, did you deliver for me like you promised? >> reverend, and that is the most difficult piece here politically speaking. you want the revenge. you want to hold up our democracy. you want to defend what is right, what our founders put into place. but at the same time, when you can't pay rent, when you have lost your job, when your unemployment benefits are running out and your kids are in remote school and you can't even pay for internet, that becomes the main focus. so i do think it is extremely important that democrats keep their eye on the ball and not forgot all the folks because quite frankly, it is not getting better for persons of color. yes, the job rate isn't looking as bad as it was, but when you

go below those top lines and you look at women and you look at women of color in particular, they are hurting. as a lawmaker, you at this point need to throw your political capitol behind getting the goods to the people because if not we're going to continue to spiral. the setback can be so great because, reverend, you know that before the pandemic hit, our communities were hurting. and this pandemic has set them back perhaps decades. so if something real doesn't transpire in the next couple of weeks, i don't know what is going to happen to so many of these folks that are in this downward cycle. >> i couldn't agree more. really it is not about revenge. it is about people paying their rent. it is about congress providing results. it is about getting americans the checks they so desperately need right now.

americans need to move on this or get out of the way, miikka. >> the pain out there is unbearable for many. thank you both. we have talked this morning about american football. so now it's time for the real football. joining us now, nbc sports soccer analyst and cohost of ""men in blazers." roger, admit you preferred working with me on this. >> it is great to work with someone that's as devoted to the premier league as you are, miikka. >> sadly, i wish we could talk about american football today because any discussion of english football leads us to a very, very ugly loss by liverpool. >> my condolences. what a weekend. yes, started with your boys, liverpool.

manchester city. into the second half. man city. penalty, which is egyptian king to takes himself with an absolute, oh, thunderous -- i think technically this is called a wolf blitzer, straight down the middle. liverpool had hope, but it's a hope that kills you. liverpool's goalkeeper. hell of a pass straight to his opponents. oh, liverpool televised self-inflicted disaster on a scale known only to mike lindell. and the exclamation point on the emphatic victory, joe. man city 14 straight wins. five points clear at the top.

liverpool third straight loss at home. the team talk about playing heavy metal football. i think they hit their limp biscuit. >> what an ending. >> they were playing manchester united owned by tampa bay buccaneers. united, look at this. brilliance. everton came back to life like john snow. nick, an equalizer. i know you told me that in american sports ties are like kissing your sister, but that was the pest that was invented. >> he's not well. >> and everybody in everton, cheering for everton thought it was a good looking sister. i'll tell you what, what a huge

day for you yesterday. it doesn't get much better than that. you guys come back and you tie united at the very end. you get in your everton blanket. >> i'm an objective journalist. i just say getting to work with bruce springsteen, i have always find my way through the darkness and there is hope on the way ahead. >> okay. we'll be tuning in to "men in blazers." roger bennett, thank you very much. coming up at this 8:00 a.m. hour, the mayor of chicago lori lightfoot joins us. plus, democrats are expected to reveal fresh evidence against donald trump as his impeachment trial gets underway tomorrow. and two words for you, tom

brady. >> with all that you've done, where does this rank? >> i'm not making any comparisons. being down here with this group of years is -- every year is amazing, and this team, this world championship you can't take it away from us. >> tom brady and the tampa bay buccaneers dominate the kansas city chiefs, winning the franchise's second super bowl title and the seventh of brady's legendary career. good morning and welcome to "morning joe." it is monday, february 8th. with us, we have white house reporter from the associated press. most of "politics nation," reverend al sharpton joins us this morning. we also have co-founder of punch bowl news with us and senior columnist for "the daily beast"

matt lewis joins us. >> let's talk. jonathan la mere, you grew up with this guy in new england. >> it's kind of cool. >> even you couldn't have imagined how easily he could have won last night's game against what was widely believed to be the best team in professional football. >> yeah, joe. tom brady is the greatest of all time and he proved it again last night. i was picking the bucs to win. i was stunned by how lopsided it was. first of all, credit to tampa's defense. they dominated patrick mahomes, who is a wonderful player and a fantastic offense in kansas city. i know there was some calls that the officiating was a little suspect early, but that didn't matter. that was a thoroughly one sided game. and tom brady at this point, no other franchise has more than six championships, more than six

super bowls. tom brady, a player, has seven. he has no rival in the sport, joe. the conversation is not about joe montana or peyton manning or john elway or any other of your favorite quarterbacks. that's not tom brady's peer group anymore. it's michael jordan, wayne gretzky, serena williams, tiger woods, people like that, the willie mays, the babe ruths. just a spectacular, spectacular story. and he made clear, joe, he's not done. he's planning oncoming back next year. >> gonna go again. >> i don't agree with that. >> my only correction with you is that even as you go across sports, there really aren't compare sops. you can have a debate and it seems i hear it every new days

about whether michael jordon or magic or bird or lebron are the greatest of all time and then you go in baseball and that's a debate that could go on and on. but reverend al when you talk professional quarterbacks, there is no comparison anymore. he really is in a league of his own. >> and he earned it. you have to give him that. i am not a great football fan. i watched the super bowl. that's my participation with football. but i was extremely amazed to see how lopsided this game was last night. all of my football fan friends were saying reverend al watch it i.'s going to be close. it's going to be down to one play. one play was a fantasy. this man dominated all night. he earned his place, and i give him credit that he is the greatest of all time in football quarterbacking.

there is no question about this. >> let's move on to the news. the second impeachment trial of former president trump gets underway tomorrow. house impeachment managers are planning a fast paced video presentation aimed at reigniting the rage lawmakers felt. they plan to show a lot of video. in addition to using new video evidence to create emotional charged impeachment trial, house managers want to present witness testimony and updated details about injured officers to make republicans uncomfortable voting to acquit the president as most have indicated they will do. the impeachment managers also plan to present fresh evidence that reveals what trump knew in advance of the capitol as well

as how his ards influenced those who participated. the paper continues the managers are determined to present as much evidence as the senators allow. but some republican senators were on the sunday shows voicing their disapproval of both the substance and the process of the impeachment proceedings. >> if we're going to criminalize speech and impeach everybody who says, oh, go fight to hear your voices heard, really, we ought to indict chuck schumer then. he stood in front of the supreme court and said, hey, you have unleashed a whirlwind and you are going to pay a price. so people want to hold president trump accountable for language? there has to be a consistent standard. you are not doing anything to

chuck schumer, not doing anything to maxine waters. >> the house did an incredibly poor job of building the case before their impeachment vote. the president wasn't there. in five hours, they kind of judged and, boom, he's impeached. now, i'm told that under the watergate, under the clinton impeachments, there are truckloads of information. here it was a video. there was no process. i mean, it is almost like it happened in the southern union, you would have called it a show trial. >> i think i'm ready to move on. i'm ready to end the impeachment trial because i think it's blatantly unconstitutional. i'm ready to get on with solving the nation's problems. >> first of all, rand paul, i know you will be shocked by this, but rand paul, of course, misrepresented what happened, didn't tell the whole story.

a half truth of course is a full lie. when he got quotes from chuck schumer on what he said, we were very critical of chuck schumer on this show when he said that. the next day chuck schumer apologized and said, i shouldn't have said what i said. the words came out of my mouth wrong. still no apologies from rand paul for inciting riots with his words, with his lies. still no apologies from donald trump for inciting riots with their lies. still no apologies from ted cruz or of course no apologies from josh hawley for their words and their votes that incited riots and their lies, the big lie that led to the death of cops. rand paul still never apologized for spreading a conspiracy theory that led to the cop killers rushing in and killing cops. he's got that on his record, rand paul is, for the death of that cop but he'll never

apologize for that. neither will lindsey graham. bill, you vote to impeach in the house. it is like a charging document. i know you are not a lawyer. but the trial takes place in the senate. so if you and tommy tuberville is get your arms around the basis of this process, maybe you will be better when this begins. finally lindsey graham wants you to move along and forget everything that happened here. lindsey wants you to forget that donald trump and people supporting donald trump, attached to donald trump spent a lot of money putting together a rally that went into a riot, that donald trump explicitly wanted to lead to the riot, where people said go up and donald trump said i'll be there

with you. rudy giuliani talked about combat justice. junior said something along the lines of, we're coming to get you. we're coming for you, and it's gonna be fun. so this is what lindsey graham wants you to forget. this is what josh hawley wants you to forget. in is what donald trump wants you to forget. they want you to forget that these maga terrorists beat a cop to death. they want you to forget these trump supporters are cop killers. they want you to forget that these trump supporters beat a cop with an american flag. they want you to forget all of that an just say, it's time to move along. >> still ahead, is the gop the party of lincoln or trump? republicans are facing two very

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a record number of americans voted for president trump. a record number of republicans voted for president trump. republican voters support him still. the party is his. it doesn't belong to anybody else. >> we're the party of abraham lincoln. we're the party of ronald reagan. we have to take a look at who we stand for. we should not be embracing the former president. >> i got to say that the comment a record number of republicans voted for donald trump, you should have said that about hillary clinton in 2016. >> yeah. >> a record number of americans voted for hillary clinton in

2016. what standard is that? she lost. donald trump lost. he lost by a record number. like he lost to the guy that got a record number of votes from all americans. but that quote, i hear that quote that it is his party and his party's alone. matt lewis, before we go into this segment, i mean, isn't that what we conservatives always bristled at when we heard people say that about fidel castro and cuba, when we read in the history books about joseph stalin, that the party was stalin's and stalin's alone. isn't that what we were concerned about like with chairman mau, that there was no party without chairman mau. it was what chairman mau said it was just like the communist party in cuba was before fidel

castro said it was. if it was shutting down newspapers, that's what fid dell castro would do. if it was shooting down planes, cessnas, then that's over the straits, you know, that's what he would do. and so, now, coming from a member of congress, no matter who that member of congress is, it sounds very -- just very ominous that the party is donald trump and donald trump is -- whatever donald trump says a party is, it is. this is tyrannical thinking. >> it's cult-like, really. it's certainly not conservative. i don't think it's american, joe. this is almost like making an idol out of donald trump. it's cult-like. and it's weird. i mean, look, a president, a

political leader who loses the presidency, loses the senate during his tenure, loses the house during his tenure, i think he actually sabotaged the senate in georgia should not be someone that a party has been clinging to for the future. but more concerning, joe, i think is your point. like, this is the stuff of strong men and of cults. we should not place our trust in earthly princes. we should be placing our trust in a higher authority, the all mighty, of course, but of course the constitution and principals, right, not an individual. people will let you down. >> amen. >> even ronald reagan could say, you know, don't look to me to be your guiding light at all times. but trump wants -- trump wants that, i think. >> coming up, some of chicago's

school kids could be back in the classroom this week. we're talk to march you lori lightfoot about the city's proposed deadlock. "morning joe" is back in a moment.

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23 passed the hour, a live look at chicago this morning. it's snowing. the chicago teachers union and mayor lori lightfite reached a tentative teal with schools for in person learning after months of fights over a plan to safely reopen schools. under the tentative plan, some students could return to classrooms as soon as thursday. the city also agreed to vaccinate 1,500 teachers and staff weekly at vaccination sites dedicated to public

schools. joining us now the mayor of chicago, lori lightfoot. so this came close to a strike. what was it that made the deal happen? >> i think fundamentally, the president of the union and i sat down over a series of conversations, and i think we both wanted to get to the same place, but i think we had different pathways to get there. fundamentally for me, it was putting our kids at the center of the conversation and using that as a focus, we were able to bridge a lot of divides. this is a very tough series of negotiations, very unlike anything else that i have been in. it was about health safety issues in the middle of a pandemic and really dealing with a very real fear that's out there.

we really pushed in and we also had to allow for the space for teachers and other members of the union who were just plain scared. we understood that. we reached a tentative agreement that really addresses all those issues that really, again, put our kids and equity for them at the center of our focus as we reopen schools. >> mayor lightfoot, first of all, congratulations oncoming to the settlement with the head of union. but does not the fact that you have been able to reach this settlement and now face with children having now to make up for time they have been out and the needs of those children and at the same time the safety of teachers, doesn't it make it all the more reason why the covid relief bill needs to be there to give the resources to cities and

states that is not in the alternative that republicans are proposing in washington? isn't chicago a case in point on why we really need an influx of federal money into cities and states around this issue, so we can really provide safety for teachers and catch up education for young people? >> 100%, reverend al. the fact that we are fighting over scarce resources because there is not enough vac seen, because there is not enough funding to really help support our kids at a critical time is a lasting legacy of the trump administration. no city, no mayor, no teachers union should have to go through this. we need the federal government and the congress in particular to step up and support president biden's plan. we don't need some skinny stimulus. we need a full, robust stimulus

that represents the need of states. i'm 100% behind president biden's plan to fully recover. what you see is a lasting legacy of the trump administration. well, we're fighting because we don't have enough vaccine. and people are scared and frightened. and the need is real. so we need a full stimulus as president biden has articulated. >> so this isn't just chicago, jonathan la mere. you know, it is one of the first areas in the biden administration where there appears to be a little bit of confusion in the messaging, how to reopen schools safely. can you talk a little bit about that? then you can take it to the mayor. >> sure, miikka. this has been a thorny issue so far for the young

administration. there has been some clear on so many other topics, including those related to the pandemic. but less so on schools. you saw the cdc director being contradicted from the podium about the need for teachers to be vaccinated. you heard the president stay away from a number of these issues, not wanting to alienate teachers. but his promise to have most schools open within the first 100 days of his administration. they said hike lyikely wednesda will put out their own guidelines about school reopenings. i want to get your assessment, if you will, so far on what you have seen from the biden administration and how you grade their response to this. but also what needs to be done for your city and this massive school system not just to begin

reopening schools now, but to have everyone back, all students, all teachers in classrooms let's say by the start of next year? >> well, great question. and first and foremost, look, the biden administration obviously inherited an absolute mess. the trump administration left the cubbard bare when it comes to the vaccine. so given that, my conversations with folks in the biden administration have been very robust, very wholesome and unlike with the trump administration, they actually are listening. they're reaching out and trying to learn about the lived experience of people not only in chicago but across the country so that they can apply that to the policy prescriptions that are coming out of washington. it is a breath of fresh air and i think they're doing very, very well in a very difficult set of circumstances. but the larger point is well

taken. we talk a lot about recovery. and typically when we talk about that, we're talking about economic recovery for cities and towns and really the entire country. but we also have to start talking about recovery for our children. this pandemic has hit them, our most vulnerable, very, very hard. we are seeing significant education, big gaps are widening. and, so, when we move forward, we have to account for that and make sure that we're doing everything that we can so that they're present and their future is as strong as promising as ever, and there is more work to be done there. >> chicago mayor lori lightfoot, thank you very much for being on this morning. good luck. >> thank you. >> up next, the great henry lewis gates joins us with his star studded new project on the black church. keep it right here on "morning joe."

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and keep the public safe. ♪♪ oh i believe ♪♪ i believe i will go back home ♪♪ well i believe i believe i will go back home ♪♪ i believe i believe i will go back home. >> my mother's family has worshipped in this church for generations. the less sonned i learned here, the power of faith, the importance of community, have remained with me and sustained me in the same way the black church has sustained the african-american people from the daysslavery to this day. >> the church gave people a sense of value and a belonging and a worthiness. i don't know how we could have survived as a people without it. >> that was a clip from the

upcoming pbs series entitled "the black church: this is our story. this is our song." the two-part series airs next week, february 16th and 17th and is based on the new book of the same name by henry lewis gates jr. and professor gates joins us now, along with the series director and producer. good to have you both with us. >> and reverend al still with us as well. professor, i want to start with you. you know, we are a family. we're from the south. we have been south for a long time. i was explaining to my daughter the other kay. you know, we lived all over the country, but the south is the soul of america. all the great musical forms started in the south. a lot of our greatest writers started in the south. that moral dilemma, that original sin, it all comes out

of the south and specifically it all comes out of the church and it all comes out of the black church. talk about the rise of the black church in america out of this original sin and the glorious -- the glorious institution it has been for 400 years. >> well, first of all, it's good to see you guys again. nice to be on the program. what did your daughter say when you gave her this revelation? did she accept it? >> she did accept it. i mean, we have talked an awful lot about it. we have lived in new england. we have lived in new york. we lived in washington, but she knows. she knows that the south is different. maybe -- i hate to speak for my teenage daughter, but maybe she has a view of the south. she loves the south and she hates the south. and i was explaining to her for

all of our failings there were a lot more reasons to love the south and talked about the church in the south. and every music form that we love and listen to came out of the choir. >> well, you know, people forget that until 1910, 90% of the african-american people lived in the south before the great migration changed that ratio. 48% of our enslaved ancestors, 48%, entered what is now the united states through the port of charleston. so you are absolutely right. our roots are geographically in the south and spiritually in the church. the first baptist church was formed in savannah, georgia. it is the oldest, the most continuous and the most important institution that

african-american people created. it was a laboratory out of which, first of all, 50 ethnic groups of africa formed into one pan african people. and secondly, it is where they developed a form of christianity with a liberating god at its center, a redemtive force for a nation whose original sin was what? slavery itself. so not only was it where our people learned to read and write, where we learned about economics, but it's also where we created one of the world's greatest musical forts. with a smirk that america had only produced one original art form, and that original art form was what he called the sar row song or black spiritual music

which more from the spirituals into gospel music. and i believe that he was absolutely correct. it's something that reverend al will affirm, is that our church had a political basis. you know, it was -- the first dedomination was formed in philadelphia when they were denied full membership in saint georgia's methodist church. they had to sit in the back. then they had to take communion before white people. 1973, 1972, they got up and walked out and formed their own church. in 1916, they formed the african-american methodist church. so while our religion was always about heaven and, you know, a belief in the resurrection, it was always fighting anti-black

racism. it was born fighting anti-black racism. so the sheer transcends the power and the belief on which it's based had two forms. one in an eternal god and life after death. but also that one day by and by our people would be free. and many of our greatest political leaders from the very beginning came through the church. you know, during reconstruction, 3 of the 16 black men elected to congress were ministers. 2,000 black men were elected or appointed to office during reconstruction. 243 of them were ministers. and we all know about 40 acres and a mule, right? 40 acres and a mule was announced as a policy by general

sherman. but only after he had a meeting in savannah in january 1865 with whom 20 black leaders and lay people and it was really their idea that the face of the civil rights movement was who? adam clayton powell jr., simultaneously the minister of the baptist church. so politics and religion and music and culture have all been intertwined in the history of the black church. and that's what we wanted to talk about. >> you talked about the music. let's talk about the politics for a minute. i'm really digging into abraham lincoln's development as a

leader moving from where he was in the 1830s to the great emancipator in 1862. but he along with clay, along with a lot of white americans who believed in getting rid of slavery over time believed in colonization, sending slaves back to africa. it was the church. it was the black church. it was a white church. it was the evangelicals that threw the gauntlet down and said, no, this is not the way forward. it is abolition and it's black and white. and that's another great example of how the church moved us, even lincoln, moved lincoln from colonization to abolition. >> i mean, i will say the church is a place of agency. it's been that from the time it

was formed, and it's a place where you're empowered. it is a place where you gather. it is a place where you organize. and the church new their importance and they knew their value. slave africans knew the importance of staying here and voice was vocal and arguing that point to lincoln. and he realized how essential it was that we remain here and not try to colonize us. >> reverend al sharpton? >> i think i have been able to see the special and i think it should be mandatory for everybody because i think that what you have done, dr. gates and stacy, was something beyond my expectation and i'm a product of the black church because you showed the different strands from a father of mine to reverend ike to those of us that come out of the activist tradition from a dr. king to a jesse jackson and i came out of

that tradition to senator warnock. it is not manifested one way, but it is all of that together that drives the black community and our aspirations in america even to this day, even though all of that is in the special. and i think people don't understand we're not monolithic, but we're all connected. it is still the largest meeting place and gathering, organizing place for black americans today. explain that dr. gates. >> well, ask joe biden. when joe biden came out of new hampshire, who thought he would be a president in the united states? what happened? jim clyborne pushed the button

of black power. and look at stacey abrams. stacey abrams, a genius, mobilized the black church to get the vote out. and it was always the way that you reached the black community. if i want to reach the black community today, i do it through church leaders like you. and we have -- i want to go back to a bra hamlin con for a minute. lincoln has this meeting with these five black men, and this is before any issues of preliminary emancipation. he does exactly what was said. he says, okay, we're going to free these people. then we're going to ship them to panama or somewhere else in south america. maybe liberia. and the whole black establishment based in the church said, this is not gonna happen, abe.

home is here. we left africa a long time ago. and, you know, i think about other developing nations, reverend al. you mentioned it the other night. what was the difference between the political origins of the black church and say the puritans and the quakers. that they could fall back on white skinned privilege. ultimately, they could be absorbed into the accomplishment and become white. our people never could do that. we were always fighting against anti-black racism. so in a way circumstances never allowed us to be apolitical. we had to fight for our rights. first of all, organized to have our own denominations but also to have a light. a beautiful essay, the greatest

book by a black person of all time called "the souls of black folk," and he has a chapter called the faith of our fathers. he says every people needs a social setting. and for this prescribed people, the african-american people, that is the church. and it has been that way for 200 years and it's going to continue to be that way. >> yeah. stacy, it's such a remarkable story. it's a remarkable story of how black people took a faith that was pushed on them by white people, not only made it their own faith but made it a powerful faith that helped them get through trials and tribulations and move through liberation, much like they use thomas jefferson's own words.

we hold these truths to be self-evident. whether it was frederick douglas, whether it was martin luther king using thomas jefferson's words, black leaders through time understood what they had to do to move forward as a people in this country, and they often -- they often used words that white people wanted to use against them but instead they used them as their sword and their shield. >> yeah. i mean, what's amazing is you have if big bible and one verse that people keep preaching, which is obey your master. there is some context before and some context after that you have to understand. one thing we talk about in the series is that enslaved africans when they were brought here. they knew god. he looked different.

but they understood faith. as christianity began to spread, they understood, we have to understand this god is a liberating god. that's what professor gates talked about. reading was very you know, understanding the bible for themselves, and seeing that, you know, jesus was a redemptive -- we are definitely the story of the israelites and jesus and the church and the series really shows and tells that. >> we want to ask you both who -- oh, go ahead. >> oh, i'm sorry. >> one of the biggest surprises that we reveal is that the africans who came to what is now the united states brought their gods with them.

and the gods were of different forms. it is a shock, but al, 8% to 20%, scholars disagree, 8% to 20% of our ancestors were practicing muslims and maybe 20% were roman catholics because the king of congo converted to roman catholicism in 1491, the year before columbus sailed the ocean blue. and maybe 23% of the enslaved africans who came to the united states had been baptized, roman catholics or congolese catholics according to the scholar john thornton. they brought two of the abrahamic religions with them and the majority practiced ancestral worship. in the first 100 years before the great awakening it was kind of a stew. you had muslims, you had

congolese catholics, you had people practicing traditional african religions trying to be accepted by the anglicans who has a big argument about whether even to convert these people because they were afraid that they would demand their freedom. but when the great awakening came, the methodists were opposed to slavery and they said we're going to baptize them and that's why our first denominations came out of the methodist church. >> well, the new book is "the black church," this is our story, this is our song. and the two-part pbs series based on the book, can be seen next tuesday and wednesday, february 16th and 17th. henry lewis gates jr. and stacy holman, thank you both very much for joining us. we appreciate this. and still ahead, last week we looked at female politicians who appeared to have come out of nowhere. this morning we turn our

attention to trail blazing businesswomen. we're back in just 30 seconds. ♪ ♪ (quiet piano music) ♪ ♪ comfort in the extreme. the lincoln family of luxury suvs. there are 178 laws that differentiate on the basis of sex, count them, the government did the favor of compiling them for you. and while you're at it, i urge you to read them. there are obstacles to our children's aspirations. >> you're asking us to overturn nearly a century of precedent.

>> i'm asking you to set a new precedent, as courts have done before when the law is outdated. >> but in those cases the courts had a clear constitutional handle. the word "woman" does not appear even once in the u.s. constitution. >> nor does the word "freedom," your honor. >> the portrayal of late supreme court justice ruth bader ginsburg in the film "on the basis of sex," and her trail blazing career that changed the face of gender equality in the united states. corporate board rooms across america today reflect what she fought for as the number of women ceos in the s&p 500 has hit an all-time high. in addition one study found that public companies with female ceos or cfos often were more profitable and had better stock

price performance. and what did many of those women have in common? they were all over the age of 50. forbes has a special 50 over 50 list to celebrate the women who have achieved significant success after the age of 50 to showcase the women overcoming barriers and shattering misconceptions about gender and age. let's bring in chief content officer for forbes media and editor of forbes randall lane. we're looking at women over 50 who are breaking the corporate glass ceiling. two categories, newcomers and paving the way. you start with ros brewer, she's 58 and she's the ceo of walgreens. >> the ceo of walgreens and also now the only black woman who's a ceo of an s&p 500 company. she'll start march 15th. somebody who has already achieved greatness, ceo of

starbucks, was very highly acclaimed there, especially for what they're doing in terms of racial education, diversity. she was already at number 48 on the powerful women list. and having a moment, kamala harris out of howard, now at number 2 in america. ros brewer went to spellman, she's the chair of the spellman board of trustees, a great moment for hbcus too. >> wow, the head of city, so jane fraser, she's from scotland, she's 53 years old, taking over this major financial institution. >> third biggest bank. and wall street is the ultimate boys club and here you have the first major wall street ceo, ever. this is a huge deal. she has got a real blue chip background. she was at mckenzie and goldman.

at mckenzie she was there part-time while she was raising kids. there was a quote there, where she said you can have it all but don't expect to have it all at the same time. right now she's having it all professionally at 53, the first wall street ceo who is a woman in quite a few. >> another newcomer on this scene is 58 years old. and karen lynch. again, there's a theme here of women taking over health companies, and i wonder -- >> yeah. >> what makes up that theme because it makes sense to me on so many levels. >> well, the empathy, right? cvs health is not just the drugstore you go to fill your prescription. aetna is underneath. quarter trillion dollars in revenue, 300,000 employees. this is a massive, massive job. and, you know, karen, you know, wrote for -- three years ago, just a point about health care,

she got into some health care, she wrote, because her mother tied of suicide tragically when she was 12 and then her aunt who raised her died in her 20s. and so she looked at this broken system, and its devastating effect on families and she wanted to do something to fix it. >> we also want to look at the women who are paving the way because you're honoring them as well. why does forbes look at the ups ceo? she became the ceo of ups last june, as well as the ceo of aarp. >> these are women who are already there, but carol tome, they're also incredibly important organizations for this current moment. carol tome at ups, she'd retired, the cfo of home depot. she retired and came back last year during the pandemic but ups was emerging as one of the most important companies in the world. i mean, think about the life blood, you know, along with amazon and fedex, these companies that got us through

and are getting us through the pandemic. here's somebody who's a real self-starter, grew up in wyoming, she talks about how she lived off the land, 2 real true self-determination and great american story and then aarp of joy jenkins also in her 60s and somebody else who is doing something very important in the pandemic. aarp, the world's largest, you know, nonprofit, nonpartisan membership group, they are helping, yeah we just gave her the first ever forbes health equity award out of our forbes women's summit. her advice is don't retire, ever, get better with age. i think we can all drink to that. >> i totally agree with it and i love the fact that we have stories of women coming out of retirement. the runway is really long for us. forbes randall lane, thank you so much, we're going to continue this conversation each week here on "joe" featuring more women who have achieved significant

success after 50. if you know of a woman shattering age and gender forms and would like to nominate her for our 50 over 50 feature. go to knowyourvalue.com or forbes.com and click on 50 over 50. know your value and know yourself. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. hi there, i'm stephanie ruhle, live at msnbc headquarters here in new york city. it is monday, february 8th. let's get smarter. as we speak president biden is headed back to the white house after spending the weekend at home in delaware. he'll be arriving within the hour. it sets the stage for a brand new week where we will see history moving forward on two tracks, the headline is obviously former president donald j. trump's second impeachment trial which gets under way tomorrow. all weekend long we learned more about what democrats plan to do to remind americans just how horrific january