melbersnoop, you should find the full longer interview. you can find me as well on twitter, ig and facebook where we also posted the longer interview. thanks for watching "the beat." "the reidout" starts now. good evening, everyone. we begin tonight's "reidout" on the precipice of history. tomorrow the senate will take up the case of donald trump and it represents a crucial piece for our republic. it's not about holding trump accountable, it's whether a branch of government has the

ability to resist a coup. tomorrow also marks the fourth impeachment trial of a united states president in more than two centuries of american history. and it speaks volumes that trump has been the defendant in half of them. we're now learning what the next several days will look like with the prosecution and defense teams each receiving up to 16 hours to make their case. but it all begins with a constitutional debate over the trial itself. we already know that that's the first line of defense for trump's lawyers who claim that the senate doesn't even have the authority to try a former president. that argument suffered a significant blow today in the pages of the "wall street journal," where a leading conservative scholar wrote, quote, it deies logic. the "new york times" says the impeachment managers prosecuting trump plans to have a fast, cinematic case showing the outrage that lawmakers

experienced on january 6th. they'll also rely heavily on video to show that trump incited the insurrection. the case is not just what he said on that day, the lies fueling that violence were the culmination of a deliberate campaign to hold onto power. in fact, trump's big lie began with his baseless claims of a rigged election, which started well before a single vote was even cast. >> the democrats are trying to rig this election, because it's the only way they're going to win. >> this election will be the most rigged election in history. >> it will be the greatest rigged election in history. it will be the greatest fraud ever perpetrated. >> just make sure your vote gets counted. the only way we're going to lose this election is if the election is rigged, remember that. >> this will be, in my opinion, the most corrupt election in the history of our country, and we cannot let this happen. >> trump even appeared to

endorse those who believe in qanon, as well as the militant right wing extremist group, the proud boys. both groups would later be at the forefront of the insurrection. >> reporter: the qanon movement appears to be getting a lot of followers. can you talk about what you think about that? >> i don't know much about the movement other than i understand they like me very much, which i appreciate. >> give me a name, give me a name. who would you like me to condemn. >> the proud boys. >> stand back and stand by. >> after all that, the former president had laid the groundwork about what we would see after the election was called for joe biden. despite losing 61 out of the 62 lawsuits he filed he challenged in court, trump led his supporters to believe that he was the rightful winner. not only that, but there were explicit warnings that his lies

would have consequences if he didn't turn down the temperature. here's what a georgia elections official said in december. >> stop inspiring people to commit potential acts of violence. someone is going to get hurt, someone is going to get shot, someone is going to get killed. and it's not right. >> by the way, that man was a republican. instead the former president turned up the heat. he repeatedly urged his supporters to descend on washington on the day congress counted the electoral votes, promising that it would be wild. and he kept that promise on january 6 when he unleashed a mob of maga fanatics on the capitol. >> we will stop the steal. we're going to have to fight much harder, and mike pence is going to have to come through for us. if he doesn't, that will be a sad day for our country. we're going to walk down to the capitol. we have come to demand that congress do the right thing and

only count the electors who have been lawfully slated. >> joining me now, paul butler, former prosecutor, and cia of the general counsel, and newman, national security. donald trump didn't just incite the flames on january 6, but he had been building up to it for a long time, previewing what happened. the "washington post" said, evidence in bolster the democratic case has already emerged in federal criminal cases filed against more than 185 people so far in the aftermath of the insurrection.

court documents show that more than two dozen people charged in the attack specifically cited trump and his calls to gather that day. filings in dozens of other cases show how alleged rioters were broadly motivated by his rhetoric about a stolen election. andrew, how do you feel that donald trump was gifted? >> gifted is the right word because he is his own best evidence. despite people saying they were inspired by him is useful, but it doesn't get you all the way, because you have to show that donald trump intended these actions. i don't think that's a heavy lift here, because you start with the fact that donald trump had the motive to do this, which is to remain in office.

then you look to see if he acted on that motive. then there was pressuring his own vice president, and when none of that worked, he incited the demonstration that turned into a riot on january 6. if you really want to know if that's something he intended, you look at the then-president's conduct on january 6. if this was something that he really did not want, then when he saw that this was going on at the capitol, why didn't he call in the national guard? why wasn't he immediately on the airwaves saying, this needs to be stopped immediately? he took an oath of office to uphold the law, to fully and faithfully execute the law. and the issue for the senators is, should this person ever hold federal office again? and the fact that he did not take those actions on january 6 and took all of the actions beforehand really answers that

question, which is that he is not fit to be holding the office again in light of this evidence. >> paul, if you could just explain for our audience what incitement actually means under law. there is an argument republicans will try to make after they say he can't be tried, which is ridiculous. even his former lawyers are saying that's crazy. they'll try to argue the first amendment, all the things that donald trump was saying, that the voting was fraudulent, that it will be rigged if he doesn't win, that all of that falls under free speech. what's the difference between me saying things that are inciting and me committing incitement legally? >> the first amendment defense is silly because the constitution does not protect words that foment violence.

that's what incitement means. free speech does not mean a man who loses an election and then sends a violent mob to attack congress and legally install him as president. so the white house will use the dramatic white house videos we've all seen to demonstrate when trump incited a march to the capitol, the rioters marched to the capitol. they illegally entered the capitol and attacked officers and stole classified material. when trump displays disappointment of vice president pence, the response is chants of "hang mike pence." there's no question trump whipped this mob into a violent frenzy. they'll say it was not intended, but that is not in support of his actions. when the insurrection was going down, trump did not try to stop it. he watched with glee, reportedly, as these thugs tried

to install not a president, but a dictator. >> to put a fineer point on it, paul, for one second. if somebody is on a plane and says, we should all blow up this plane, and then somebody lights a match on the plane, would that be incitement and a crime? you could be prosecuted for that, threatening to kill people on a plane, right? >> yes. every day in federal court and state court people are prosecuted for things like making terroristic threats or culminating violence or trying to encourage other people to commit crime. trump is no less worthy of being prosecuted for those crimes than anybody else. he is not above the law. >> elizabeth, i want to get you in on this because you were on the department of homeland security. i want you to listen to liz cheney who voted to kick marjorie taylor greene off her committees.

she is asking whether or not the tweet that donald trump sent out calling mike pence a coward was actually a premeditated attempt to provoke violence. >> there will be a massive criminal investigation of everything that happened on january 6 and the days before. people will want to know exactly what the president was doing. they will want to know, for example, whether the tweet he sent out calling vice president mike pence a coward while the attack was underway, whether that tweet, for example, was a premeditated effort to provoke violence. >> i guess i'll put it this way. if a leader of a gang, let's say the leader of the proud boys, for instance, had made a threat against the vice president of the united states, and you were still on the department of homeland security, what would the dhs have done? would they have treated that as free speech, or would they have treated that as a potential threat to the vice president's life? >> every day the u.s. secret service investigates threats to any of their protectees, including the vice president. they always treat anything like

that extremely seriously. it's just awkward, obviously, at this point. it's one protectee threatening another protectee through his supporters. can i just add, i mean, i appreciate the legal analysis. i'm not a lawyer so it's always fascinating to hear the arguments about constitutionality, but impeachment is inherently beyond what would stand up in a court of law in terms of constitutionality. the question here is whether he violated his oath of office, in my mind, and for four years, he cozied up to extreextremists, a footer least nine months prior to the election, he lay the groundwork for what eventually became the big lie that laid the trap for him bringing everybody to washington, d.c. on january 6 and then sending the mob to the capitol. he knew exactly what he was doing, and he knows he has that

kind of effect on his followers. he brags about it, right? so this idea that, you know, that they need to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he knew it was incitement, i kind of want to turn that around and say, except he's the president of the united states. he's not a random citizen. he has a responsibility to protect our country from all enemies, foreign and domestic, and he was cozying up to extremists, and, in fact, radicalizing and causing some of his followers to become extremists, therefore, becoming enemies of the state. to me it's much more about the dereliction of duty and the violation of his oath of office as opposed to a constitutional standard. i think both tests are met here, but let's call this what it is. he created more terrorists in our country. i'm sorry, you do not get to be president of the united states or hold another election to

office in this country if you have actually gone so far as to create more enemies of our country. >> and that -- i'm so glad you made that point, elizabeth. i'm going to stay with you real quick and then go to andrew on this very point. there is a reason people coin the term y'all cada. it's kind of funny on one side but on the other side it's serious. donald trump was inspiring people to become violent. as you said, the difference is he's the president of the united states. do you have a concern that if he gets away from that, then a future donald trump or even donald trump himself, if he runs and wins again, will now have a playbook to remain in office, essentially using thugs that he can rally at any moment to keep himself in office and not leave? >> absolutely. we need to send a strong signal that this is not what we do in this country, that we follow the rule of law, and that people are held accountable for their

actions regardless of whether they're sitting in an elected office or not. if we do not take care of that, it will happen again. if we do take care of it, if there is a conviction in the senate and/or some sort of criminal action taken by the normal justice system against the president that helps reduce some of the people that have been radicalized, it does not take away all the issues. we will be dealing what he has created for 20 years. >> and we have information sent over that georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger's office has actually opened an investigation into the phone call of the former president attempting to overturn the 2020 elections. andrew, do you have the same concern that if the message sent by republicans is that this is all right, why wouldn't, say, josh hawley get in to use this

technique to stay in office? >> that is really the focus of the senators, which is not specific, which is not to think about trump in and of himself, but to really think about the precedent that is set here for future presidents, because i have exactly the same perspective that elizabeth does, which is this is such a violation of the oath of office, having somebody served in the government. we understand how serious that is, and how seriously you need to take that. if you have the senate basically saying, you know what, we're going to let this go, we just want to move on, we're going to be loyal to the party and not to the country, then the precedent is so dangerous. and you really, then, are leaving this to the criminal justice system, and the senators will not be doing their duty. >> yeah. that brings me to paul butler.

that is my final question to you here. if a state court were to convict donald trump of crimes related to incitement, bring it back to where it sort of started, could that be the backup to keep him from being able to run for office, make him ineligible? >> there is no constitutional procedure that if you're convicted of a state crime, you're ineligible for office. hopefully the political system would respond to that. i agree with andrew, the house managers say that what president trump was impeached for is the worst thing that a president has ever done in u.s. history. if he is not convicted, we might as well rip the impeachment clause from the constitution. >> indeed. we will be one corrupt local official being willing to throw out election results away from having a dictator. and that's the problem. that's the big stakes here. andrew weissman, elizabeth

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before lawyers for the disgraced, twice impeached former president trump even laid out the argument for his impeachment defense, the lady antebellum caucus was out parroting the same things about the trial, that it's only political theater. >> i'm ready to move on. i'm ready to move past the impeachment trial because it's blatantly unconstitutional. >> there has to be a consistent standard, and to my mind, it's a partisan effort. >> it is a farce. it's unconstitutional, but more

than anything, it's unwise and will divide the country. >> old rand pauline tried to argue that the senate should impeach majority leader chuck schumer for things he said about ex-supreme court nominees, which is only half as bad as republican ron johnson's. >> you have to kind of ask the question, what is this impeachment all about? we now know that 45 republicans believe it's unconstitutional. is this another diversion operation? is this meant to deflect away from potentially what the speaker knew and when she knew it? i don't know, but i'm suspicious. >> moscow ron provided no more evidence to back up his suspicion about speaker pelosi, because there is none than he has about his other crackpot investigations or about why his suspicions often sound like they were scripted in moscow where he and seven other republicans spent july 4 in 2018.

according to "politico," when it comes to the senate impeachment trial who are concerned about they're stranglehold on the gop just don't want to poke the bear. meanwhile, in the house, liz cheney became the latest republican punished by her party back home, censured over the weekend for her attempts to overturn the white house. to keep cheney in her position last week and on fox news, she doubled down on her criticism of the republicans' toxic acts. >> somebody who has provoked an attack on the united states capitol to prevent the counting of electoral votes which resulted in five people dying, who refused to stand up immediately when he was asked and stop the violence, that is a person who does not have a role as a leader of our party going forward. we should not be embracing the former president. >> joining me now is jason

johnson at morgan state university and michael steele. i love this combo. michael steele, chairman. he once said he should be charged, and now he's saying, i love my president. he's asking liz cheney to apologize for voting to impeach the guy, and she's saying, i'm not apologizing for that. this guy, in what universe does he ever become speaker of the house? isn't marjorie greene more likely to be speaker in the future than kevin mccarthy? >> in this particular world and universe, that is exactly more likely to happen than kevin mccarthy would ever become speaker. if kevin mccarthy thinks he's going to become speaker, he really doesn't understand his caucus, because that is just not happening. they don't want you to be speaker, kevin.

>> they don't understand any caucus. we're talking tip o'neill, nancy pelosi. kevin mccarthy has no courage. he's like the lion in "the wiz." >> when he went to mar-a-lago to bend the knee, or something else, we don't know what he got out of it, but to go bend the knee, that did not sit well with a lot of republicans, and not just in d.c. but in the donor community and around the country. it just didn't. they're tired of trump. they're hoping that the leader and others can, you know, go on back to the analogy of breaking away from trump, the bear stalking the neighborhood. what do you do, you don't hide in your house? at some point you have to deal with the bear.

so they've got to deal with him. and the folks inside and outside the party are looking for a leader to do that or a group of leaders. right now the only leader in the party that is clearly prepared to do this is liz cheney. god bless -- i'm with you, liz. whatever you need me to do, i'm there. because the reality of it is, it's going to take that kind of in-your-face leadership, joy, to push back on this. and it does not exist among the men in the party. it has always existed largely with the women, and clearly liz has shown that. >> you know what, jason -- here's the thing. liz cheney is also in no way likely to ever become speaker, because the thing is, the rational actors that michael steele just described, if they were rational actors, they would all line up behind dick cheney and just oust the q people and the trump people and be like, y'all shut up. nobody cares about you. they would literally embody

them. i think back to john baynor who was a far smarter seeming guy, even when he was at the bar than mccarthy is. when the tea party rose up, he shrunk back. he let them take over, and now who runs the party? the tea party caucus. don't we have a problem here that in general the idea in the republican world has just been to fade back and let the bad guys take over? >> the republicans have become that "star trek" mirror universe where you have to kill the next leader to take over. they don't seem to have a real process of finding leaders anymore. it's just an evil version of mccarthy that replaced the guy. let's be clear, all these people are conservatives. all of these people could care less about police reform, all these people could care less about the environment. this is literally a trump issue. so mccarthy who at one point was just a regular republican has been replaced by the evil mustache mccarthy is just doing

what trump wants them to do and go along with marjorie taylor greene. here's the problem, though, it's a problem within the republican party. they try to acquiesce the people who don't want to govern. marjorie taylor greene doesn't want to govern. kevin mccarthy doesn't want to govern. they just want to be the lips. flight they're doing more of the latter than they are the former. >> that's an issue, too -- please, michael. >> i was going to say more than that, jason, they want to grift. you're absolutely right, it's not about government, it's about grifting. marjorie taylor greene in the midst of all of this, she's out having fundraisers and bragging about how much money she's

raising, and now that she has more time on her hands, what do you think she'll do? this goes back to all the rank and file republicans about how this sort of money grab has driven a lot of good politicians away from policy, to your point, jason, into a much darker place. >> let me ask you real quick, stay with me just a second, michael steele, because you used to be in charge of this process where you have to try and raise money. there are a certain kind of donor that like policies. you are writing that republicans are actually worried that this might cause problems in 2022, because your sort of regular order donor and like, i'm not trying to donate to the party of qanon. bye. then you have this new base of money that she can raise directly from the qanon people. and she can get around the donors. what would you do if you were chairman of the party right now? what would you even do about all of this?

could you even raise money in this environment? >> it's a very difficult environment, particularly given you have a greater sensitivity among the major donors in the corporate community who are now looking at the backlash to their contributions to certain republicans, particularly those qanon-aligned, et cetera. so the whole playing field is changing right before their eyes, and that's one of the big concerns for, you know, the republican congressional committee, the senatorial committee and the rnc. made more difficult because trump still has his fingers in a lot of those donor holes, and that's a problem as well. >> we're out of time, jason johnson, my producer is going to kill me. is the smart move, mr. political scientist, for democrats to just run all their ads on qanon in 2022, and say this person is qanon, this person, they're all associated with qanon. you want qanon out? vote for the democrat.

>> joy, by next summer i can guarantee we'll see the lack of effort in trying to catch one of these people. there will be more attacks, there will be more violence. by next summer it will be impossible to run ads against republicans without talking about qanon, without talking about terrorists. yes, suburban donors who want to give the money, the last thing i want to do is give $1500 to a campaign if i'm going to be associated with the horn-wearing vegan terrorist who attacked the white house. this is going to devastate the republican party in 2022 for raising money. >> don't give vegans a bad name. don't even go there with the vegans. jason johnson, michael steele, thank you very much both you gentlemen. democrats have the opportunity to raise the federal minimum wage and lift millions of americans out of poverty. will it finally get done? y get e

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they call this a rescue package, but yet they want to take the most important part of the rescue out of it. if you want to get our economy going, then you give our people a decent wage. don't take the main part out of a rescue package. >> since 2009, the federal minimum wage has remained

stagnant at $7.25 an hour. that means someone working 40 hours a week at minimum wage makes just $15,000 a year before taxes. for the last nine years, there has been a growing movement to increase the minimum wage to $15. and now the democrats are on the precipice of achieving that goal as part of congress' relief bill. while it would take some maneuvering, allowing democrats to pass the bill with a simple majority, comments from biden are among concerns, that this white house is not at least willing to put up a fight to see this right now. >> you also want to raise the minimum wage to $15. is that something you would be willing to negotiate on in order to get republican support? >> well, apparently that's not going to occur because of the rules of the united states senate. >> you're saying the minimum wage will noting in this?

>> potentially it will not be in it, but we should have a minimum wage stand by itself, 15 there are an hour. >> joining me now, co-chair of the people's campaign. happy monday. thank you for being here. let's dig into this. the argument is obvious for raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour if you're a worker. on the other end of that argument are some democrats who worry that it will cost jobs. let me tell you what the congressional budget office came out, and they reported, the cbo, they reported that passing minimum wage to $15 would increase the deficit, that it would lift 900,000 americans out of poverty, which is a great thing, but it would cost 1.4 million jobs by 2025 because of things like automation. the burger places will just automate their industries and not hire humans. what is your response to that? >> thank you, joy, for that, because there are some problems with that.

first of all, i'm glad they said it would lift people out of poverty, and today people fighting in the campaign and people like pamela saying, we have to have that now. what they're basing that on is a 55-year-old poverty threshold that is far too low. the truth of the matter is it will lift millions of people out of low wages and poverty. 62 million people work for less than a living wage. 6 million workers, tip workers, who make $2.10 an hour plus tip will be lifted out of that. 45% of black workers, poor low-wage workers, and the majority would be white workers from west virginia to mississippi. but you have to add to this not only the raise of the living wage but the health care and infrastructure. we know that for every $1 increasing the minimum wage, it adds $1.2 to the economy,

according to the institute for policy studies, which then creates jobs and creates billions of dollars into the economy. we like the cbo, but there are economists saying that number is based on the old poverty line, and that's all they're looking at. they're not looking at low-wage workers who make less than 15, 62 million of them before covid and 6 million tip workers. and, you know, tipping people is a legacy of slavery. the reality is you cannot talk about racial equity. you cannot talk about geographical equity. you cannot talk about gender equity. you cannot talk about women's he can -- equity. you cannot talk about this until we raise this minimum wage now and it will lift the economy.

>> companies like mcdonald's and amazon, they're all about money. they're not about workers, or haven't shown much evidence, or walmart. can you bender that the mcdonald's and the walmarts of the world will start automating their work forces when they're told they have to pay people -- which is not a lot of money. $15,000 a year or so, it's not like that's a lot of money, but what do you make of that? >> first of all, there is no evidence of that. second of all, as we said, when you're doing all these other things, you're creating jobs. thirdly, we have over 800 businesses, for instance, with the tip workers, the restaurant workers who are saying it's time for this. businesses are saying it's time for this. it will actually benefit business because, again, it will give more money to the workers, and the poor low-wage workers, they don't hold it. they don't send their money to the cayman islands, they spend it right here in the economy. every time we've tried to raise the minimum wage, they said the same thing when franklin

roosevelt tried to raise it. you know what president roosevelt said? any business that didn't want to raise the minimum wage had no business being a business in america. we need democrats, the president to hold fast on this. 55% of poor-wage workers voted for biden and harris, and when it comes to reconciliation, every time they wanted to cut we will -- welfare, we need to make their lives right. all during the campaign, they are saying to us, don't give us a hand clap, protect us, respect us and pay us. give us universal health care, do the infrastructure, and all those things together will increase jobs, increase the economy and build america up

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minutes after the tampa bay buccaneers won the super bowl, florida fans flooded the streets and the bars to celebrate the victory. a scene that played out all weekend long. watching the scenes outside raymond james stadium, you would think we were all vaccinated and the global pandemic is gone. but that is not the reality. here in the real world, thousands of americans continue to die daily.

caseloads remain high and only 42 million vaccines have been administered. in florida, which now has the dubious distinction to be the first state to see 200 cases of a terrible new variant, governor ron desantis cares more about keeping the state open for business than he does about keeping people alive. he's not alone, though. we are trapped in this pandemic nightmare in part because many americans just don't like being told what to do, even to save their own lives or their loved ones' lives. a lot of americans are angry. they're angry about having to wear a mask. >> you're harassing me. >> i'm not harassing you. you're coming close to me. >> threatening again! >> they're angry at being told they have to socially distance and they shouldn't be out partying in the club or they have to close their bars or restaurants or gyms or change the way they do business.

under the disgrace of now twice-impeached president, that anger was fueled and misdirected. trump refused to wear a mask and flaunted it. he resisted locking down the country the way lots of country leaders did, successfully. then he chose to redirect the anger that people were experiencing because of his own weak response to the pandemic on to someone else. >> reporter: why do you keep calling this the chinese virus? there are reports of dozens of incidents of bias against chinese americans in this country. why do you say it's racist? >> it's not racist at all, no. it comes from china, that's why. it comes from china. i want to be accurate. >> that language was quickly interpreted and transferred into violence on asian americans. that means communities that were already struggling have paid a huge and often overlooked price for that misdirected anger. and that's next. d that's next. we and comfortable, long-lasting protection.

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since the beginning of the pandemic we have seen reports over racist attacks against members of the asian american community. the website stop aapi hate report thousands of cases of violent or verbal attacks. some organizers worry the numbers do not reflect the

current situation because many are afraid to report to authorities. anti-raise asian race. is not new. similar sentiments led to the passage of the chinese exclusion act. in the first days of the presidency, joe biden issued a memorandum condemning this intolerance. joining me is congressman come of new jersey and co-founder of aapi women's league. thank you both for being here. congressman, how much can we connect the rash of violence against asian americans to the previous president's rhetoric about the coronavirus? >> yeah, there's no doubt that there's a connection there and needs to be brought out, helps us to understand how to move forward. many asian-americans myself

included have experienced that over the last year and something we see manifested in the horrible videos of elderly asian-americans pushed issue killed attacked. these are the types of things to come together to condemn. >> you know, connie, thank you very much. i think the one i saw that quest love raising up the specific cases, an elderly man in san francisco who was killed in an attack. his family saying it was a racist attack. the daughter of a man told a local news station the father was targeted as an elderly asian man and she's received verbal abuse since the beginning of the pandemic. in your view, is this tied mainly to that and to this discrimination against asian americans thinking, oh, this is where i can direct my anger over covid or something deeper to

look into? >> thank you for having us on the show. i think the racism towards asian americans and americans existed long before the trump administration and we need to remember that as a part of the united states kind of long history with white supremacy. with the trump administration, that was exacerbated. because of things like you noted the china -- chinese flu or the china virus. that exacerbated the already underlining xenophobia and racism against asians and now there's a condition by which our communities have continued to be invisiblized. the stories about us being -- 12% of the asian americans and asians live under poverty.

those stories are invisible, neglected and unknown. the fact that so many of our communities, asian americans, asians are facing deportation, racial profiling, in december of -- december 30, 2020, one of our 19-year-old boys and sons killed by the police by pennsylvania state troopers. those stories are invisible and because of that we end up becoming even more vulnerable to the violence and the rage that you're talking about, joy. people are kind of narrowing in their rage on to our communities which they don't understand are also historically and have been and continue to suffer under racism and white supremacy and xenophobia and poverty. >> stay with me for a moment because there is -- right. there is this like sort of almost sort of exoticizing the

asian american community with "crazy rich asians." this idea that people aren't hurting. that is not real. what's real is that people are hurting and that racialized and race. is happening and no one is paying attention. >> perfect. that's exactly the case. every day i'm in chinatown in oakland we walk around seeing grandmothers and grandfathers selling canned food for a dollar, like for two cans. right? so they're suffering while media is presenting us as if we're crazy rich asians and part of the empire and well-off communities when that is not the case. a number of community members li under poverty and my family, growing up in oakland, and the

bay area, we didn't have those kind of resources that are portrayed on the media so that makes us extremely vulnerable to violence and stereotypes about us. >> that's a very good point. congressman kim, what should we be doing here? is the biden administration e edict to address the racism, is there a legislative solution? cultural? >> look. it's not a problem that you can legislate away. there's no way to write a perfect bill or law to change this. it starts by what you're doing right now so thank you. you're raising the visibility about this. raising the visibility, having that image of the elderly man pushed and shoved sered into us. that could be our grandfather, a

loved one. recognize that doesn't -- a problem of the asian americans and not just for them but for all the of us so have that visibility. a coalition to say that and recognize that this is all of our problem. >> yeah. indeed. we have to share across the communities and all work together because we are all in this together. congressman kim and connie, thank you both very much for bringing that forward. tonight on "all in" -- >> is donald trump guilty of inciting a violent mob against the united states? >> on the eve of his second impeachment, republicaning looking to give a pass to donald trump is out of excuses. >> the gravest violation of the oath of office by any president in the history of the country. >> famed