that does it for us, we will be back at 6:00 p.m. eastern tomorrow, the "reid out" with joy reid starts now. ♪ ♪ good evening everyone, we begin with the constitutional crisis known as the republican party. just over one month ago, a domestic terrorist mob loyal to donald trump and sent to stop

the announcement of joe biden as president. deficated and left a disgusting mess and hunted the vice president and speaker of the house. five people died, including police. pelosi is calling for a 9/11 investigation. and house republicans would like for us to please move on. are you ready to move on? i'm not ready to move on. donald trump incited that mob, you know it and i know it. and even those 43 senate republicans who saved trump from facing the music again, they know it too. they saw the videotaped evidence that that mob went in their offices and pawed through their doors and put a target on their backs. that's the thing about the increasingly radicalized gop, the truth does not matter to them even when they live through it. you know who gave away the game,

the minority leader, mitch mcconnell said this after voting the acquit. >> trump's actions preceded the right were a disgraceful, disgraceful dereliction of duty. there's no question, done. thatpresident trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day. >> oh, really, mitch? that's where you want to go with this. blatant and unabashed, senate lindsey graham made clear it's all about taking back power even if they have to take it by force. >> you know, he is ready to move on and rebuild the republican party. we need to unite the party. trump plus is the way back in

2022. my goal is to win in 2022. to stop the most radical agenda i have seen coming out of the democratic presidency of joe biden. >> uh, no, please sit down, we are not going to move on from a violent attempted over throw of our democracy where five people died. we are not going to bury the hatchet after there was an attempted killing, and antebellum lindsey is not backing up either. 80 million americans elected president biden to pursue, they are trying to make it harder for you to vote. with legislatures introducing 165 bill since january on to restrict voting access is. they want to choke off the relief bill that you need. 43 senate republicans chose

power over demauk a rasy and party over people. even over their own mortal lives and now, the people who thought they could hide behind trump while he sacked the republic have moved on to robbing you of the vote and the relief you deserve. joining me now is congress woman who served on the impeachment trial. a author of a mother's battle for her son, comes on out tomorrow. thank you for being here. i want to get to the point of a 9/11 commission,there's talk that it's something that is needed. why, my fear about a 9/11 commission is who would appoint the people on it. ron johnson, your fellow senator, had strange musings in the past. today in a radio interview said, he didn't think it was an armed attack. he said, it did not seem like a armed insurrection to me. armed? that means people have had guns

i did not see guns. i would like to know, did anybody recover any ammunition? did anybody recover any firearms? if he anything to do with that commission, it would not be a commission, it would be a circus. do you trust a 9/11 commission that any republicans, lindsey graham, ron johnson, any of them have anything to do with. >> joy, thank you for having me tonight. it's strange that you and i are celebrating president's dayfollowing the sad acquittal of the president for amassing an inselection is attack by americans against americans. so, what i keep think engine your beautiful opening there is have they no decency? we know that expression, but for god's sake, have they had no decency to support this president in some, i don't know, what you call it lack of spine, lack of conscious. i don't understand it. i want a commission, i want it to be impartial, the people you have talked about have fully

disqualified themselves from sitting on any such commission. >> do you think that people like lindsey graham who also tried to overturn the election and now is under investigation in georgia should be barred even though the he is a member of the gang of eight from picking anyone from the commission and should that commission investigate people like your colleagues, josh hawley, and ted cruz? >> i don't know how this commission will be set up. but certainly i don't think somebody like lindsey graham who has spoken out of both sides of his mouth, disgracefully so. should be anywhere near the commission. lindsey graham sat there, i was there. i made eye contact with the senator. as we made our case. i'm very proud to have been a part of that impeachment team. and we gave the american people and the senators in the room, who were witness and victim in that very crime scene, the facts that we could, that we knew at the moment, that were overwhelming and damning and clear and certain.

so, folks like lindsey graham, mitch mcconnell should not sit on the commission. you know, i was struck, i was there for the vote. i waited and stood? the back of the chamber as each senator stands and announces his or her verdict. literally stands, lindsey graham barely stood, to say not guilty. mitch mcconnell stood to say not guilty? what did mitch mcconnell did, in minutes he stood again in the same spot and he said, there's no question that the president is practically and morally responsible for the insurrection for the attack on the capitol, it was a disgraceful dereliction of duty, you know what rang in my mind, i thought, senator mcconnell, you are talking about the president, but also you are talking about yourself. >> well, then, if we are to keep someone like mitch mcconnell from having anything to do with

appointing members. i foresee people like mitch mcconnell. people like lindsey graham, people putting them on such a commission to blow it up and the only purpose would be to blow up the commission, to obfuscate and make the commission come up with a nonanswer and protect both the former president and their fellow colleagues that are also insurrectionists. do you think such a commission should be put together without congressional, particularly congressional republican input? >> i think it should be a fully independent commission. maybe past judges, those that want to serve, collect the evidence and review it against the law. and when it happens i hope they collect the stories and catalog the stories of the heroes. you talked about the custodians, after the destruction of the capitol, where lives were lost.

they came in with a sense of pride and purpose and duty and did their job cleaning up the blood-stained floors. the shattered glass, the smin -- the splintered wood and frames and mirrors. i wish they rose to the level that the custodians have, to do their job with pride. i hope they catalog the heroes and those that aided and abetted the president with insurrection. >> and should such a commission have subpoena power and the former vice president be subpoenaed since he was one of the potential victims of the mob? >> we have seen all the difficulties around subpoenas. you know i'm on the judiciary committee. we are still working on the subpoena of don mcgan, imagine that all these months later. i hope they have all the power necessary to collect the data and ta facts and evidence and i

hope and maybe it's naive or optimistic of me that folks will want to come in and offer testimony nor the insurrection and the attack on the capitol. please god that it never would happen again. and we never thought it would happen. i hope they come forward, i hope whatever commission is set up is independent and has the full power to collect all of the evidence. >> congress woman madeline dean, congratulations on your book, thank you for spending president's evening with us, thank you. >> thank you. >> and with us, tim miller,er and charles blow. i would not mind having adam kinsinger, he is honest. he is told by his family that he is in league with the devil. he put up a tweet that he posted that his own family members are calling him part of the devil's army for believing the truth about the president. if that's the state of the

republican party, can you foresee a commission having any republicans be a part of naming members to it, be useful? >> you know, joy, look the answer that i have to that question is that, they might have to turn to former elected officials as the only possible solution to this. and i think that, if you look at the republicans by the way, this is not in defense of them, this is a condemnation of them. most of them are acting in abject fear. they don't want to be hollered at, like lindsey graham did, he said the right thing for two hours one day and then was shouted down in reagan national. they are acting out of fear. if you go to former republicans, that maybe the folks on the left don't like on policy matters but no longer have anything to lose and don't plan on getting back in to politics. that may be something.

the ones that are in office, i agree i don't know how they can be on a commission in good faith when they are all too afraid to admit the truth, when you know, just saying the truth puts you in a, in this very elite tiny category of adam kinzingers andthe bill cassidys of the world. >> you know, but charles what they are not afraid of is voters of color. at the moment, they are on a campaign to make it harder and harder and harder for voters of color, for young voters. they are attempting to, you know, i have called it a legislative insurrection, they are trying to wall off the vote for those that associated for joe biden for the next several cycles because it's a census year. they are not afraid of that. >> no, the fact that they are -- i mean, there are two routes to victory for any part including the republican party right now. one is to simply win the most votes in your state, in your

district. or what have you. the second way is to reduce the number of people who can vote against you in your state. your district or what have you. republicans have essentially given up on the prospect that as america becomes more diverse that they could win an out right majority of the people who are eligible to vote. so their tactic now instead of trying to broaden that base, is that to in fact appeal to more people, instead of trying to have a slate of policies that respect, that represents more of the american public, they are simply trying to whittle down the number of people who have access to the ballot. that is a short-term measure, you can't do it forever, but until they come out of the slumber of people that they think they can over come the american people. that's the path of the party. >> they are winnowing down their

own base. they used to be the blue lives matter policy. police officers were killed and they are nonentities on the issue of police officers being beaten over the head with flag poles, there's a lot of working class, nonwhite police officers that are saying where is the party that was supposed to be on my side, is that doesn't seem to be a good strategy for growing your base or holding it? >> well the fear that was running through blue lives matter and in fact runs through the party is planting the idea of fear of the other. other than white, if you are an immigrant, you are scary. if you are a black person that is not quiet about your oppression, you are scary. if you marched against police brutality over the summer, you are scary to them. if you are transgender, you are

scary to them. part of that whole concept is around who do i want to be afraid of? it is not that they are abandoning the police. in fact, they want to use the police as a tool against these people of whom they are afraid. it is just that they did not believe even for a second that the, that that force, that they wanted to use against the black and brown people would be used against them. >> well, and you know, tim, i think about, you know, for the politics of the republican party right now, that fear that charles just described is everything. right? it's much more important than taxes and policy, the base is not voting on that, they are voting on the demographic fear, i don't see a way out to be honest with you for the republican party. if they are just going to be the representatives of people who were terrified of modernity and change and hollywoodness, they are just that, and then i worry that they are going say, well, you know what? if we can't win that way we will

seize miles an hour and now we know we can use paramilitaries to do it. >> that's a fair worry and to fear grievance. this is a grievance based party now. and it's less about an aspirational ideal and policy agenda, than airing grievances and punishing those they feel agrieved by. their answer to kind of add to what charl was saying they can structure this democracy in a way that benefits the existing republican coalition. if you look at the way the senate is broken down, if you look at the way the electoral college is broken down. the republicans think they can double down on maximizing the advantage, continuing to increase numbers in areas where the current system benefits them. that way, they don't have to try to get a majority. so, i think those right now are the quote unquote good republicans. the scary ones are the

parastair -- paramilitary ones. they know they cannot get more votes but if they change the votes in the right places they would have won everything. that's the mind-set of their republican establish. right now. in 2012, when i helped write the autopsy, and they were saying bring in the voters of color and women. that mind-set is gone. they are not trying to be a majority party anymore. >> yeah, or q, will somehow come back and deliver them back in to power. like, they are, that is like a legitimate thing that they think. thank you and appreciate it. and acquitted by his pals in the senate, the former president is still? serious legal jeopardy, that could cost him his money and maybe even his freedom. and, guess who tweet method photo today on president's day?

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. when it comes to a president's involvement and possible criminality, there seems to be a limit on what this country is willing to do to hold them accountable. among the few former presidents that committed truly horrible acts none have served prison time and none have been invited, and now we have a twice impeached president that has caused an insurrection that nearly killed his vice

president. and mitch mcconnell all but encouraged prosecutors to act. >> president trump is still liable for everything that he did while he was in office. didn't get away with anything. yet. yet. we have a criminal justice system in this country. we have civil litigation. and former presidents are not immune from being accountable by either one. >> we know that the acting u.s. attorney for the district of columbia has not ruled out charges against the former president and a misdemeanor charge is being investigated. and it could further expose trump's wrong-doing. the scrutiny comes on top of the legal exposure that trump faces. including investigations in to his company, his finances, two defamation suits and the effort to overturn the result ares in georgia. and joining me now is andrew

weissman, and joyce vance, former u.s. attorney. and thank you both for being here. andrew, you tweeted today that there's an appeal that is sitting in the supreme court about donald trump's attempt to block cyrus vance and his probe in to him. it seems that the system is gummed up when it comes to trump. we know in the past, there's been indictments of vice presidents, and former attorneys general, never of a president. do you think the idea of indicting a president, do you think that is gumming up the works? >> well, this country has not had a history of that, although, other so-called western democracies have had the experience of bringing their leaders to account. and you know, this, to your first guest tonight, congress woman dean said something i think particularly relevant to this discussion, she closed by saying, if we the do not deal

with our past, it's going to be our future. and that applies to donald trump and to any future president. if we are a nation of laws, it means that our president and now former president should be held to account. and that's true whether it's going to be a democrat or a republican. who commits a crime, the rule of law is supposed to apply in this country. and it is fortunate that we have not usually seen this issue arise. so, we don't actually have a debate about the president. but, unfortunately we do. and i don't think that the answer is to say move on. and sweep it under the rug. you cannot sweep trumpism under the rug. you cannot sweep racism under the rug. if the country doesn't deal with it, we are just going to continue having this problem over and over again. so, i think that there's an important role for state prosecutors and the federal department of justice to be

looking at all criminality that would otherwise be prosecutable for any other individual. because either the president is defacto about the law or he is not. >> well, i mean, joyce, so there's the pragmatic issue of how do you do an indictment? if you are going to indict donald trump in the state of georgia, does he get subpoenaed and hauled in to georgia court, if he is convicted does he go to georgia jail, where does the secret service, does he do his time in mar-a-lago under house arrest? does not sound like incarceration and there's the bigger picture. if you don't do it, why shouldn't any future president say, being president means i can send a mob in to the capitol, i can cheat in elections and try to overturn states' elections, you open the door. can you talk about the pragmatic

obstructions to trying to indict a president? >> andrew is right about this the, joy, you cannot put a bandaide on cancer and expect it to heal. that is what happen fs we don't hold the former president accountable for insurrection. so, how do you as the state of georgia deal with becoming the first jurisdiction to prosecute a president? there's no doubt that it's difficulty. and it's compounded by the fact that it's the type of statute where typically, somebody committing a first offense may not receive a sentence of imprisonment, but georgia is part of the deep south where we have frankly a history of not wanting to prosecute certain kinds of case because they were invent. the sixth straight church bombing in birmingham happens in 1963, and they did not prosecute until 1977, it was possible to prosecute in 1963, but it was

deemed inconvenient, and difficult to get white men to convict a white man of killing young black girls. it was not until the 2001/2002 that the remaining people involved in the bombing were brought to justice. we can had not afford to have that kind of a process here. so prosecutors in georgia, like prosecutors in the district of columbia and new york need to focus on something that prosecutors are very good at doing, focus on the facts, and the law. deal with the process issues whether that is how you get trump in to the state of georgia or what incarceration, the if that is what a judge ends up ordering if that's a conviction, what that looks like, take each of those problems in turn. but, but, don't fail to do your job just because of concern that this is the first time and that it's unusual and difficult to do. >> i think that's a good point. and you know, andrew weissman, i take it back to let's talk about the federal system for a moment. i mean, if merrick garland, if

they get around to swearing him in, then the pressure will turn on the justice department. this was an invasion on the united states capitol. and i don't care what mitch mcconnell said in his speech after acquitting trump. he will turn around immediately and try to accuse merrick garland, if he is confirmed finally of politicalizing the justice department and use any kind of that to shame them in to not doing it. it will be political. i wonder if you can sort of look forward and kind of think how would a justice department deal with that kind of, what will definitely be a political attack if they decide to go after this. and will they the, do you foresee them backing down because of that? >> well, i do think that it helps that merrick garland comes from being a judge for decades. so, he is not aligned with one party or another. so, that makes it harder. i do think that mitch

mcconnell's speech as cynical as i think we are all about the speech makes it harder for him to then claim politicalization. and i think merrick garland and his incoming deputy, who are steeped in domestic terrorism experience have to be taking something like this seriously. the idea that you are going to prosecute the low level people who carry out the directions of the leader, but you are not going to investigate the leader, yet, i think it's a kind of thing that as i know joyce and i, as former prosecutors, that does not sit well as something to do. the idea that you are not going after the top person, but you are just going after the lower level people does not sound like justice. and i think all of that will weigh on them seriously. i do think that politicalization is an issue if a normal case. you know, you don't want to end up like ukraine, where you are

accused of what trump did. you are good morning after your political enemy. here the issue is, would you be going after that person no matter who they were? now, and here that is answered. because, the government is going after the people who entered congress, who attacked congress. so, you, the question of like, is this a crime that you normally would prosecute, is one that is already been answered and you certainly don't hear the republicans griping about why you are prosecuting them. so, if the facts do prove after a federal investigation that donald trump is the one who incited this, and they are satisfied, it's very hard, then, i think for the republicans to legitimately complain, of course, they will complain. >> yeah. >> but it's making it harder for them to do so. >> but, last point to you, joyce. i wonder now, i think about al are cappone when i think of

donald trump, i wonder if, in the end, despite the outrageous things he did. and everyone knows he incited that violence at the capitol that got people killed, including police officers. if in the end, his fate really is the al capone fate, that the financial crimes are what get him. that the tax avoiding crimes and the defamation suits and he ultimately pays financially and maybe with his freedom for that kind of thing. for financial crimes and it's harder to get him on incitement? >> well, look, however accountability comes it will be important. we can't be a country where the president is above the law. so, it's important or the legal system to function and hold the president, the former president accountable for anything the evidence suggests he should be accountable for. the tax case sitting in new york city, is interesting. as you point out. capone, a lot of people are wondering why the supreme court has not ruled and given the

manhattan district attorney access to the paperwork he is litigating for. there's a deadline coming up on march 8th, that's the last possible day that trump could file and ask the supreme court to hear his case. perhaps the court is waiting for that. and will finally get an answer soon. >> yeah, we will keep on paying attention to it and thank you both for being here. and giving us your expert and wonderful opinions. andrew weissman, and joyce vance, thank you. new cdc guidelines forgetting children back to school. as of right now, no district in the country meets the guidelines. what happens next. i will ask the president of the country's largest teacher's union, next. and later in the show, i will tell you, what's the absolute worst. stay right there. plant-powered creative roots gives kids the hydration they need, with the fruit flavors they love. and one gram of sugar. find creative roots in the kids' juice aisle.

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♪ ♪ with the senate trial of the form er at the now over, president biden, his administration and congressional democrats are eager to start getting things done. first up is the passage of the nearly $2 trillion rescue package that could inject strength in the much needed economy. polls show that the package has significant supportamong the american people. pressure to open schools is growing and reports of growing learning gaps, and lost income

by parents. however, reopening is a challenge with newer more contagious variants of the coronavirus out there. last week the cdc issued guidelines how schools reopen safely and on the sunday talk show, this doctor addressed some of the recommendations. >> we have more flexibility in opening schools as our disease rates come down. so, i would say this is everybody's responsibility to do their part in the community to get disease rates down so we can get our schools opened. >> i'm joined by becky pringle. president of the national education association and a middle school science teacher. thank you for being here, appreciate your time. let's talk about the cdc guidelines for teachers. you know the teachers i know are nervous, nervous about having inperson classes again because of fear of obviously catching covid. do you think the cdc guidelines are clear enough, they make you feel comfortable with the idea of teachers going back?

>> first of all, joy, it is so good to be with you. a little late to the party, saying congratulations but thank you for bringing voice to those issues that are so important. >> thank you. >> to americans. we are, we are very encouraged, joy, by the cdc guidelines. because they make clearer what we have been saying for the better part of a year, and you could probably recite it with me, joy, i bet you could, that we need to wear masks. we are clear about it, they are not giving room for whether you should or should not or how you should wear them. you heard dr. wolinsky say, they should be required that is different than what it has been before and of course, social distancing and she was clear about this, joy, especially in the communities where the rate is high, it should be at least six feet. and of course, disinfecting and making sure that we can test and trace and making sure we can isolate, all of the things, they are much clearer about, so they

are just really, it's no excuse why our schools are, our students, and educators are not getting what they need? >> well, and one of the things that i would think, that people might need, i mean, i went to school in denver, colorado, we had a brand newish building where my kids went to school in florida was a pretty new building but the places in the bronx and other areas, the schools are old buildings. they don't have the most modern hepa systems and to retrofit those schools where a lot of children of color are going to school that, will cost money. do you feel comfortable that there's enough money coming for the older buildings to be safe enough in terms of ventilation? >> yeah, of course, there's not enough money. joy, i went to the philadelphia public schools and started teaching there. we know, we have seen pictures. their idea of ventilation being fans, and in so many of our schools -- >> yeah.

>> -- windows that don't even open. so where we putting fans to have that ventilation that we need? so you are absolutely right and you know, joy, you know this. we have been talking about school infrastructure for how long? decades. decades. we already have sick buildings that we are making especially black and brown students sick before the coronavirus. and now, we are asking them to go back in to those buildings without getting the proper resources in place. so, we are encouraged, we are encouraged by the recovery plan. but here's the thing, the cdc has laid out the guidelines and now it's time to take action. it's time for congress to act. we have been waiting for 11 months. still no money. >> yeah. and there's, you know, what is happening of course, the politics creep in and for a lot of republicans the teachers unions are like the boogie man, you are their favorite target. they are trying to portray the teacher's union that is standing

between the students and being able to get back to school. and they are trying to use it as a wedge issue. what do you say to those that think, that maybe the teacher's union is stand in the way of my kid going back to school? >> a couple of things that i want to say about that. first of all, teacher unions are made up of educators and not just teachers by the way. we have bus drivers and nurses and counselors and para-professionals all the adults that are making sure that the students are learning and being safe every day. they make up the teacher's union. they make up the union of educators and i want to share this with you, you may know it too, joy. a recent poll by both huffington post and by education next. said that the confidence in teacher unions is growing. has grown over the pandemic and you know why? because they are looking to us not only to get information, joy, but also to advocate for our students. and most especially and you joy, you know this, you know this is

true and it's always the case. so, our black and brown and indigenous communities have been disproportionately impacted by the pandemic and all the -- that it has spawned and now here we are, now we are in the schools that you just described to us. we have the least amount of capability of actually having resources to put in place for these mitigation strategies, the cdc said must be in place. we absolutely need congress to act so that we can provide our children with what they need. the question is, joy, it's not about if the countries that wealth. it's whether or not the countries that will to take care of all of our babies. >> yes, indeed. well, my mother was a teacher. she was a college professor, so, i totally understand you on that. becky pringle, thank you for being here, hopefully you will come back. and coming up, south dakota governor christy -- governor

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the new leader of new sedition. she made 19 trips last year so behalf of trump or a surrogate for other grand old partiys, quite the roaming gnome, they pursued a bill of making the confident of security detail while traveling public. the measure was killed by republicans. other aspects of her national travel fixation is raising eyebrows, including a request for $5 million to upgrade her state's aircraft fleet. and a story published said that newly unearthed flight logs said that she used it to travel to political events. a violation of state law. those hosted by groups of national rifle association and sheldon adelson. according to the analysis, the

flight logs appear to have nothing to do with her trump campaign related travel, instead, this travel all occurred in 2019. noem's office claimed that all of of her 2020 campaign trial took place on commercial aircraft or tickets played by other campaigns and that it was no secret and it was in her official capacity as an ambassador for the state of south dakota, in the true fashion of the man she wants to not succeed in 2024, the statement dismissed the reporter and lawmakers that sought to scrutinize her, as political kabal and those looking in to the roaming gnome will join me after the break. ...they're with me all the way through it. voya. be confident to and through retirement. psst! psst!

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south dakota republican governor kristi noem is raising all sorts of questions with her prolific travel. i have -- thank you both for being here. daniel, get us in to the flight logs. do they show -- do they sort of prove that kristi noem was using the state plane as like a personal aircraft or is it vague? what are you seeing in the logs? >> i would not say that. it's certain -- it's certain that the aircraft was used to pick her up when she was living

at a residence different from the governor's mansion and in one case picked her up from her daughter's wedding at a state park far on one corner of the state. to then go do business around the state and come back. so, it's not as if the plane was shuttling her back and forth to the capitol or anything like that. but, reasonable people could ask questions about how much extra it cost taxpayers for her to be living somewhere else and then, there's of course the things that you mentioned before. seeing the nr amptnra, flying t attorney usa and a group of republican jewish coalition with very big gop donors in there. again, reasonable people can ask questions about whether the state's needs were served by the trips? >> and representative, isn't there a law in the state of south dakota against the governor using the plane essentially as personal aircraft? >> yes, there is, joy, and thank

you for have are me on tonight. 15 years ago, back in 2006, there was an initiated measure, number 5, that said we want to limit the use of the state airplane to state business because then governor rounds now senator rounds was using our state airplane for, yeah, his own personal purposes and political purposes. when we put it before the people of south dakota they voted 55% to 45% in favor of limiting the use of the state airplane to the state business. >> and it's state senate. so i apologize for that. stay with us for a moment, state senate. why does it seem that legislatively, the republicans have defeated the ability to put restrictions on the governor's travel? >> i think after the law passed in 2006, governor rounds was more careful about using the state airplane and governor dennis duguard tried to stay

beyond reapproach he did not use it for personal or political travel. as far as i know it. but this governor uses the plane more and travels more and does not seem to be embarrassed by it at all. >> and she, right, you know, mr. neuhauser, it seems more aggressive. if the governor knows the state law. her office essentially insists that all of these are for state business. all of the trips are for state business. is she filing some sort of report to account for this travel? >> not that i know of. and you know, maybe that's where, with respect to the state senate, the law might be a little deficient here, who is to say what is state business and what is not. if she says that an nra conference is state business because one of the first laws they she signed was to promote the state's interest in -- it is

in disputable that most of these questionable tricks that i wrote about in my story were for right-wing organizations. republican partisan organization ones. and so, again, if it's state business that is partisan in nature, well, than so-beit. again, you can ask questions about whether the state's needs are served by the trips. >> and senator, is there, you know, we are having this debate about whether the former president needs to be held accountable by the law if indeed he broke the law, can you see the same questions be asked about the south dakota governor? >> we could and there's a couple of bills that are still alive in the state senate. one is a bill that would basically require quarterly report background the use of our state airplane and that would be a report that would come back to the appropriations committee, so there would be some oversight. that is what a legislature is supposed to do. we are supposed to be a check

and balance on the executive branch. but that has not been happening and then there's a second bill that i have coming up on wednesday, that, even when the governor does travel and i think she should always have security with her, but i think we should know what it costs if the taxpayers are paying for her to be campaignsing in maine or in georgia, i think thee er -- the taxpayers should find out what it is costing? >> i will start with you, do you have reporting that the travel is related to maybe her preparing for a presidential run? do you think she is doing it to prepare herself to run for president? >> i think it would be too far to say it for certain. what i will say, this is not an uncommon situation for governors, there's a natural tension between maybe a state wanting to be more guardful and mindful about how money is spent and someplace looking to raise his or her profile we have seen the same stories about many,

many governors of both parties, california, new york, oklahoma, and i think it's always worthy of at least asking the question, especially if, and i don't think it's going to be the case here, but if she does, how exactly are they spending time in their current office? >> yampt daniel neuhauser, thank you both for being here. "all in" with chris hayes starts now. tonight, on "all in,". >> hang mike pence was the chant and they just dismissed that. why? because maybe they cannot get another job. >> america agrees with nancy pelosi and mitch mcconnell. >> president trump is practically and mor morally responsible for provoking the