attacked the capitol on january 6th. this comes as some of the same extremists want to blow up the capitol when biden addresses congress. plus, he's showing his face after shrinking out of office. we'll talk about what's next. spoiler alert, it's not a conservatives conference. it's an anti-democracy saysful. "velshi" starts now. good morning. it is saturday, february 27th. i'm ali velshi. breaking news. the house passed joe biden's massive $1.9 trillion covid-19 relief package. two democrats, gerald golden of maine and kurt schrader of

oregon joined all republicans in voting against the package. among the ma items in the vital assistance bill, the sixth round of aid so far. payments to qualified families, increased unemployment benefits, increased assistance to small businesses. billions of dollars to ramp up covid-19 testing and vaccine distribution and to help schools reopen in-person learning. it also raises minimum wage from $7.25 to $15 over the course of four years, however, that specific provision will not pass the senate for a variety of reasons. some which are political and some are due to mundane news. president biden will be speaking live. we'll join him when that happens. joining me now the author of

the huddle newsletter. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> we know the provision for minimum wage is set to be stripped out of the package. the senate parliamentarian said it can't happen. other than that, what other changes to this bill passed last night are we expecting to run into problems and how is it going to look before this becomes the law. >> well congressman golden was one of the democrats who voted with the republican motion to recommit earlier last night and about the money that is go to the subway in california. so you're going to be seeing democrats probably in the senate who are going to be saying, we don't really need to be giving money to this. the minimum wage was really the big front and center one that you just touched on, and democrats are looking at workarounds for basically coming up with tax penalties or, you know, ways to incentivize companies to do the minimum wage since they realized that they're not going to be able to have it

included in this covid bill under the reconciliation process. so we're also looking at democrats trying to see what can work, but right now it seems like it's going to be a heavy lift if they can really get some of those ideas about the minimum wage into the bill. the bill can change substantially in the senate. then it's going go back to the house. so part of it is going to be interesting to see what senator manchin, senator kerstin sinema decide do. they've flexed their muscles multiple times. it looked like the minimum wage was going to fail already when the senate parliamentarian said basically it would not work under the reconciliation process. so we're going to have an interesting time to watch where they sort of put their foot down. >> and a lot of americans are very concerned about this because on march 14th, a number

of unemployment benefits will expire. the goal is to have this thing passed within the next two weeks. >> it's very tight. you know, if anything goes off the hitch, they might end up missing this, and that would be very devastating to the people who rely on unemployment benefits. this bill includes unemployment benefits, so that's why they're really working to make it by march 14th. but if anything comes out and surprises them that there is a delay, then, you know, it could be a really tight push. >> olivia, thank you for joining us this morning. olivia beavers is a congressional reporter for politico. good to see you this morning. >> one year ago today there were less than 100 cases of covid-19 in the united states. just one american was confirmed to have died from the disease. right now more than 512,000 have died. more than 2,000 americans continue to die every day.

more than 28 million americans have been diagnosed with covid-19, but there are glimmers of hope. yesterday a key fda committee, the vaccines and related biological advisory committee to be specific, unanimously voted to recommend emergency use authorization of the johnson & johnson covid-19 vaccine for adults 18 years of age and older. this is a single-dose vaccine. it's got a lower efficacy rate compared to pfizer's and moderna's two-dose vaccines, but it's still highly effective in preventing covid-19 and has been shown to completely prevent hospitalization and death. joining me now is the congressman with the labor committee. our sincere condolences. you andyour family have a close

connection to covid-19. >> yes. thank you. on valentine's day, we lost ply mother. she died of co-vichltd she was on dialysis, but once she got covid, it attacked everything, her kidneys, her lungs, and she passed away on valentine's day, and that's why this is great news coming from johnson & johnson and great news overall. thank good the numbers have been dramatically decreasing, you know, over the last couple of weeks. we're seeing growth in vaccination sites. we're going to have a lot more growth once this stimulus package passes. so we're doing better with the virus, but, you know, i'm strongly encouraging every community, particularly communities of color who historically do not trust vaccines for the right reasons, quite frankly.

i'm encouraging everyone to get vaccinated, please wear your mask, please stay safe because we're not out of the woods yet. >> you make a good point. the reason why some communities of color distrust the vaccine, they're very legitimate and valid, however, do you find as more people are getting vaccinated, as community leaders are gets vaccinated, pastors from churches and officials are getting vaccinated and we're seeing the incidence brought down and few side effects, are you finding that changing, the resistance being reduced in the black community? >> somewhat, particularly here in my district. so we fought really hard with other elected leaders to get a fema vaccination site place here in yonkers, new york, which was hit very hard by the pandemic.

it's going to be open to yonkers residents and mt. vernon residents before the rest of the county. we're continuing push for people to register because that site is going to open on wednesday. and these communities in particular, yonkers and mt. vernon. we see the numbers incredibly high. so that's a really good sign. but still a lot more work to do, and my district like co-op city and wakefield and in communities across the country. >> let me ask you about the federal wage provision that you voted to pass in the bill that did pass at 2:00 in the morning but is likely not going to make it into the senate bill. you tweeted yesterday, 27 mihmion americans including 13,000 here in new york 16 would get a raise under a national $15 minimum wage. we must do everything to enact

the $15 minimum wage. some of your colleagues have called for replacing the senate parliamentarian. others have called for overruling her. what do you think is the best way to get to a $15 minimum wage? >> well, i think overruling is an option, but we also have to understand we don't have full democrat support in the senate at this point when it comes to supporting the $15 minimum wage. so unless we get to a 50/50 threshold where the vice president can then overrule, we can't even have a conversation about the parliamentarian. it's just so heartbreaking that we continue to allow people to live in abject poll circle struggling with a $7.25 minimum wage which has not grown in alignment with inflation or in alignment with gdp over the last several decades, and this is why the american people continue to be frustrated with our government because it's quite

simple. people are living in poverty, people are suffering. our job to help them. and if we do not help them, people don't care about parliamentarians or byrd rules or overrules or any of these things. if we're not in congress to help people most suffer, we are not doing our job. have to continue to push, fight, organize, whether it's taxing the wealthy additionally, which we should do nay, or pass the federal minimum wage without that, we need to make sure we get it done. >> congressman, good to see you again. again, our deep condolences of the passing of your mother to covid-19. i know it doesn't change the level of commitment you've had to changing this or fixing it, but making it personal does change for everybody. democratic congressman jamaal bowman of new york. president biden's relief pack and heads to the senate where it's expected to pass through the

democratic-controlled chamber. there are changes to be made, notably, the section of federal minimum wage. expect unanimous opposition from senate republicans who say the relief package for desperate americans is too expensive and will increase the debt by too much, which sort of ignores the $2.3 trillion in tax cuts that they forced through just a few years ago. $400 billion more in tax cuts than the biden package for the ordinary american worker. remember, those tax cuts were supposed to pay for themselves and not increase the deficit. it did increase the deficit. we can give wealthy people and corporation tax cuts, but not when americans need it. the man who spearheaded those tax cuts, mitch mcconnell, is now criticizing president biden's efforts as, quote,

partisan. believe it or not, that's not the only mind-boggling head-scratcher the curmudgeon from kentucky made this week. >> president trump's actions preceded the riot were a disgraceful, disgraceful dereliction of duty, there's no question, none. president trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day. we have a criminal justice system in this country. we have civil litigation. and former presidents are not immune for being accountable by either one. >> if the president was the party's nominee, would you support him? >> the nominee of the party? absolutely. >> my word. for those keeping track, mitch mcconnell says he will absolutely vote for the person that he himself says is

criminally liable for inciting an insurrection against the united states government. what was that that the republicans were preaching about immunity? our foam pillow friend mike lindell is now being selled for $1.3 billion by dominion voting systems, adding his name to other buffoons including rudy giuliani and sidney powell. "the new york times" reports that the fbi has identified an assailant in the death of capitol police officer brian sicknick. he was seen on video using bear spray on people including officer sicknick, but those who stormed the capitol on january 6th are not done. the acting chief of police of the capitol says extreme mists may have more horrifying acts in the worst. >> we know members of the

militia groups who were present on january 6th have stated their desires that they want to blow up the capitol and kill as many members as possible with a direct neck sus to the state of the union, which we know that date has not been identified. >> as for the failed former president, he continues to face the prospect of criminal charges on a variety of charges including the incitement, and in new york where after many public lies and a bitter legal batter that saw him lose at every step, the manhattan district attorney is in possession of his tax documents. joining me now, donald trump's former attorney fixer, michael cohen. he's the author of "disloyal."

michael, good to see you this morning. thank you for being with us. >> good morning, ali. >> what's sort of amazing is on february 28th, tomorrow, the president is going to address cpac which used to be a conservative conference. now it's a gathering of who knows what, a bunch of people who say crazy things. but there's an implication that he's going to put himself forward as the republican nominee as republican president for 2024. what do you make of this? >> i remember when i went with donald at the time to cpac. he had a great time there. he really enjoys the cheers of the crowd. now it's even more interesting because of the artists that produced that gold donald. now he actually thinks he's a god. he's like a pagan god that people are lining up down the -- you know, down the hallway in order to take a photo with a

stupid-looking, you know, pagan idol of donald. and if you look at what mitch mcconnell said about him, why in the world would you want to stand next to something that represents, you know, such hatred and racism and sexism and misogyny and all of these other issues including anti-democracy. to me it doesn't make any sense. but he's taking it as a win for him. it's amazing the way the man thinks. >> talk to me about how he does things? does donald trump believe these things? does he hear the adulation and the cheers and the photographs and think that he is something special, or does he sit there and say to people like you, i've got these guys fooled? >> well, it's a combination of both. first of all, not only does he need the adulation, the cheers, and the screaming for him. he needs that the way you need oxygen to breathe, and that's just the way that the man is. and what makes him sociopathic

is the fact that he does not just continue to lie to himself over and over and over again, but he manages to convince others by repeating the lie over and over and over. so now he believes it. so you will get a packed cpac house of people who will come there simply just to take a photo with the pagan donald or to, you know, see him speak and continue to spread these, you know, horrific sort of comments, which he's been doing now for over five years. >> when you talk about things like the big lie, the lie that he lost the election, the lie that they're trying to steal the election for him. the big lie is started by little lies. when you get people to believe your little lies, you can tell the big lie. is he feeling strong and like the man who might be the next president of the united states, or is he feeling nervous about all of the pressure that's

continuing to build on him including the manhattan d.a. who has his tax documents? >> that's a great question. publicly, he'll pretend he's invincible. he's the teflon don. in reality when he's lying down in bed or he's alone, he realizes the extent of the pressure. he's not stupid. he may be crazy, but he's not stupid. he realizes the pressure that's coming at him. not only is it the attorney general tish james who has an action pending or investigation pending, but now, of course, cy vance, our district attorney who brought on pomeranz who's smart about this investigation. but you have a whole slew of other litigation that he's now dealing with, whether it's some reserve votes, my civil action against trump. he's got a whole slew of litigation pending against him

that he actually hates being involved in litigation, believe it or not. when he's the defendant. when he's the plaintiff, he's happy as pie. when he's the defendant, he hates it. he knows he basically loses every single case that he's a defendant in because he lies, and you can't get him to sit for a deposition because his lawyers won't allow it because you know the entire deposition is going to be filled with untruths. >> let me ask you about enablers. you were a former enabler of his. he surrounds himself with people who do what he needs to do. those enablers around him including foam pillow guy, rudy giuliani, sidney powell, they're all getting sued for a lot of money right now. does he still have people around him now that he's not the president of the united states who will try to find the nice word for blow smoke.

you know what i'm saying. does he have people surrounding him now and how does he survive with fewer of them? >> the answer is i was the chief enabler for donald. when i was doing it, i was special counsel to the president of a large family real estate company. the enabling that he has going on now, whether it's rudy giuliani or the my pillow guy, mike lindell, or sidney powell, they're all incompetent. that's the beauty for the rest of us. no matter how hard they try, number one, they don't know him. they don't know how he's going the react. i unfortunately do. i can tell you none of them are operating in a way that's going to create a benefit for donald trump. and at the end of the day, what you're going to have is you're going to have a donald and family and others that are going to be having to deal with issues like the district attorney, like

the attorney general, like d.c. and the insurrection, all of the civil litigation. his mind is not going to be focused on the 2024 run, and that's, of course, assuming he doesn't end up spending time in prison or some other form of justice that he's managed to escape basically his whole life. >> michael, good to see you this morning. thank you for joining us. michael cohen is a former personal attorney to donald trump. he's the host of the mea culpa podcast and the author of "disloyal." we've got quick programming notes. this morning president biden is expected to give remarks about the american rescue plan that passed overnight in the house of representatives. we're going to bring you those remarks in full when they begin at 11:00 a.m. eastern. and this evening, vice president kamala harris joins reverend al

sharpton. that exclusive interview airs on ""politicsnation"" at 5:00 p.m. on msnbc. the fda has endorsed the johnson & johnson vaccine for approval. it's great news if the fight against covid-19. but with so many vaccines on the front, with know you've got questions. i certainly do. coming up, we're going to cut through the noise,ance questions how the vaccine work, how to get it, and what you can do once you've been inoculated. o once you've been inoculated es energy. the secret is, tide pods work no matter how you wash. so, everyone is right. it's got to be tide. i'm jayson tatum check out my subway sub with delicious turkey and crispy bacon. it will help you hit shots from anywhere, unlike those other subs. my sub has steak. wait, what did he say? steak! choose better be better and now save when you order in the app. subway eat fresh.

states surpassed 500,000 deaths of the coronavirus, another tragic milestone was reached. 2.5 million. that's the number of people who died worldwide. it's an alarming number, no doubt, given the new covid variants circulating the globe. but this week new developments

in the vaccine could start changing things. johnson & johnson's covid vaccine provides strong protection against severe cases of the virus and may reduce the spread of the virus as well. the fda panel also recommended authorizing johnson & johnson vaccine for emergency use on friday, meaning a third covid vaccine could be coming as soon as this weekend, and because the vaccine only requires a single dose, it may also solve many of the logistical barriers we've seen during the pfizer and moderna vaccine rollout. they're developing booster shots that could fight against the new covid virus strains that have emerged with them telling lester holt on thursday na another only is a third booster being study already, he thinks a third dose could raise antibody reverse to the virus 10- or 20-fold. this is as the good news kept rolling in for faizer this week. a study out of israel reported

that the developer's vaccine was so effective even in real world conditions, it could end the pandemic. meanwhile another company covax has started delivering vaccines this week. on wednesday, 600 shipment of astrazeneca's covid vaccine were delivered to the west african country of ghana. that's the first of over 2 billion vaccine doses that are supposed to be delivered to mainly poorer countries by the end of the year. that's part of a multi-lateral pact that president biden contributed to. speak of which, biden commemorated the 50 millionth dose of the virus administered in the u.s. 50 million doses in 37 days, which puts the state well ahead of its plan. the cdc said that for the first time, more second doses of the

covid vaccine are being administered than first doses. this is as about 14% of the u.s. population has been vaccinated to date that. is over 47 million people. now, all of that being said, remember this. we're not out of the woods yet. there's still a pandemic. we're still far from the vaccines needed to make sure the coronavirus is no longer a threat. so do not ease up on wearing your mask. do not ease up on social distancing. it's still so important that you keep playing your role and doing what you can to fight the pandemic. but with all of these developments on the vaccine front, we know that you've still got questions. so whether you've had your first dose or second or you're still waiting to get a shot. we're going to answer some of your vaccine questions next. you're watching "velshi" on msnbc. on msnbc.

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as we mentioned before the break, the biden administration is well ahead of its goal of 100 million vaccines in 100 days, but whether you receive yourd first dose, second dose, or you're still waiting for your first shot, you've got questions how the vaccine works, including what parts of your life can return to normal. here to answer some of your questions is dr. ala who was the first person to administer a covid test to me and whom i join from time to time on social media to answer questions from the public about the vaccine. dr. stanford, it's amazing to see you. after all the stuff that's out there and all the stuff we read and all the stuff we report on the news, there are still lots and lots of good and important questions about the vaccine, and i'd like to put some of them to you, if you don't mind. >> let's go. >> all right. so question one. are there any big differences between the pfizer, moderna, and johnson & johnson covid

vaccines, and can i choose which one i get? >> so right now i do not believe you can choose which one you get. it's what's allocated to your area, pharmacy, hospital, or clinic. the big difference is, of course, pfizer is 16 and up, whereas, moderna and johnson & johnson are 18. in terms of the safety and efficacy profiles, we -- remember those 95% effectiveness with pfizer and moderna and johnson & johnson is coming in a little bit lower, but we should caution the lower efficacy rates are while we have these variants out here. so it may very well be if you tested the pfizer and moderna against the variants of the coronavirus, that the efficacy rates may be equal across the board at that 75% range. >> once i got my covid vooerng

how long will it last? >> right now folks are saying about six months, but i suspect as we study people's antibody levels and so forth after they've gotten their first and second doses, we may see that it's longer. i think the reason they couldn't say that it's a year or could last for a year is it hasn't been out that long to have those studies, but i believe the prediction is that it will be a minimum of six, but up to one year. >> let me ask the next one then. what are the side effects of the vaccine, and how long do they take to show up? >> so you have immediate, intermediate, and long-term side effects. the immediate side effects, someone may feel within the first two to four hours, a sore arm, a little headache, maybe even little queasy in your stomach. other people that are oxygen

dependent and have copd, i've actually see them with my own eyes become hypoxic or short of breath, which is why we have emts onboard to give them a little boost of oxygen and make their their oxygen saturation is normal before they go out. that's the immediate. the intermediate, fever, chills, or achy. people feel that more after the second dosage. this is the second time your body has seen this protein virus if you will. and the long-term effects which causes some people to have pause is what happens two years from now, five years from now, ten years from now. it's not been out long enough, but with all of the fda briefings and reports from the pharmaceutical injuries, it does not seem it will cause long-term effects to our genome or any other parts of our bodies.

>> let me ask you about what happens after you get a vaccine. once i've been vaccinated, can i immediately stop wearing a mask and stop social distancing? >> unfortunately no. the only way we can start to d that is when we get to herd immunity, and that's when 75% to 85% of the entire united states has been actually vaccinated and/or had coronavirus disease. i think at last count we were at about 14%. we're getting there. but basically when you wear -- once you're vaccinated, wu what it does, you got the shot, it protects you from gets coronavirus or it protects you from having a serious reaction or getting the disease, but if you're around someone and they have a high viral load, you could still without wearing a mask have that virus in your nose, in your respiratory tract,

and you could potentially spread it. we do, however, know once you're evacuated and you're exposed to someone who has it, your viral load is less, which decreases your ability to transmit it to others. >> dr. stanford, i'm so grateful for the answers you give us, the answers you give people, the fact you were out there testing a community that was not getting tested. you were out there vaccinating people, particularly black people who have had a difficult time getting their hands on the vaccine. thank you for all you do. >> you are so welcome. we're here right now. we've got some folks lined up. we've already vaccinated almost 16,000 people in 20 sessions in the hardest hit kmubltss of philadelphia. >> wow. >> so appreciate you, you know, bringing me on, and i appreciate the city of philadelphia for trusting us to be here for them. >> thank you. good to see you, dr. stanford.

her team will go down in history as one of the more success. parts of this entire pandemic. remember now is the time to make a plan for you so you will get vaccinated when it's your turn. we've got an interactive personalized state-by-state guide to help you figure out when and where you can receive the vaccine. you can sign up for customizable alerts to let you know when you can receive the shot in your state. this is very much like plan your vote when we did the election. it's called plan your vaccine. go to planyourvaccine.com or use your phone to scan the qr code. i probably should have told you to do that before. president biden is showing some of his cards when it goes to the middle east. has biden broken a promise along the way? we'll talk about that next when

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we're starting to get a glimpse of pittsburgh's middle east strategy after a week of developments. the message is clear. it's not going to be business as usual. on thursday he launched his first military operation air strikes against syria. a spokesperson described the strikes as carefully calibrated retaliation for recent rocket attacks against united states targets in iraq. this is a satellite image of the area in syria before the u.s. strikes, and now let's take a look at what it looks like after the strikes. you can see the site is mostly destroyed as a result. president biden is walking a very fine line with iran, one of the greatest security threats in the tinderbox that is the middle east. on one hand president biden

wants to reopen the lines of communication about reviving the iran nuclear deal. on the other hand he wants iran to understand the u.s. is not going to tolerate aggressions in the middle east. the same goes for saudi arabia sort of. it's been confirmed the crown prince approved of the murder of khashoggi in 2018. the overall conclusion by the cia was first reported in 2018 but it didn't stop the buddy/buddy relationship between the president, his son, and the crown prince. president biden is keeping mbs on the left at arm's length. but the intel report blaming the crown prince is mostly a symbolic action against saudi arabia. biden is not directly penalizing him despite threatening to punish him for the khashoggi leader. i want to bring in a former fbi

special agent. good to see you. >> good morning. >> let's talk first of all about the attack. the attack was on iranian militants in syria. the government of syria is currently propped up by iranians and russians, but it was about an attack on u.s. troops in iran. why did it happen in syria, and what do you think about the effectiveness of it? >> i think the biden administration is not giving iran any pass for its regional operations. just because administration wants to re-engage diplomatically with iran, it does not mean we're going to allow iran to do what they want to do. it was in reaction to the attack on erbil. they were hoping they would cooperate f. it was really interesting that the biden administration chose

to attack them in syria, and it's a message for the militias in iraq and iran, that you want to expand your areas in the region, it will also give us a region to expand our areas of retaliation every time you do something against our interest. it demonstrates a significant result toward iranians and all those who are attacking us. >> how do you correspond that with the idea that biden has reached out to the iranians and said we would like to revive the iran nuclear deal at the same time america seems to be offering some sort of olive branch to iran, this air strike takes place and the iranians have been very vocal in both their operations and their speech in the last couple of weeks. >> i think the question is why the iranians will allow their cronies and their militias in iraq to attack the united states when they also claim they wanted to engage with -- diplomatically

with the jcpoa or re-enter the jcpoa. there are so many discussions about what the united states needs do to go back to the iran deal, but we don't talk about much about what iran need to do also to go back to the jcpoa. there are a lot of things that the iranians did also in violation of the deal, for example, their enrichment level went down when the trump administration pulled out to more than 4.5% today. the estimated breakout time. that means the amount of time it needs to collect the material to build a bomb. we exceeded three years to build. now it's three months. there were new facilities their with built that were not covered by the original agreement. there are many things the iranians need to do also in order to go back. both countries, the united states and iran have been in vie

lag of the principle terms and agreements, and there's a lot of things to be done by both sides in order to go back to where we were in 2018. final quick question. you knew jamal khashoggi. how do you feel about the classified report that points the finger at mohammad bin salman at ordering his death? >> i think we need to keep in mind this is a summary. there are so many methods we'll never see. this is a message from the united states that there has to be tough love for saudi arabia, and there's a glaring need to recalibrate this relationship. riyadh has long had carte blanche in operating as it wanted not only, frankly, under the trump administration but previous administrations. this is a special relationship arc blank check that was given to saudi arabia. this situation needs to change.

it's beyond jamal khashoggi. there was the kidnapping of the prime minister, what he did to the crown prince who used to be a crown prince before him and great ally to the united states. we're sending the message an alliance is a two-way street. you can't pretend to be an ally to america and act like a do when you're a jam bonds villain. >> he's the founder of the soufan center. my next guest literally wrote the book on how discriminatory practices against the black community affects society as a whole. that's next on velshi. next on .

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>> that was from my conversation in birmingham last week. racism is something that has defined the united states since its very founding independent fact, it infects nearly all facets of american life like health care about which we just heard and it also affects our politics and our economics. the false belief that progress and prosperity for people of color comes at the expense of white people has helped prop up racist systems for generations. this zero-sum theory is what author heather mcgee tackles in her new tackle "the sum of us. what racism costs everyone and how we can prosper together." in it, she examines the self-destructive bargain of whit supremacy and how much we've lost in the country due to racism in terms of a dollar amount. a study last year by citigroup has found that america has lost $16 trillion to racism in the last two decades and heather mcghee, author of "the sum of

us," thank you for being with us. you were on with my friend chris hayes last night and one of the things that appeals to me about your book is the discussion that you have about how people, often white people or people who have power and privilege in society often make decisions that are not in their economic interests or work against their own prosperity because they feel like giving other people, in this case black people, certain rights and privileges will take away some of their own. >> that's exactly right. i mean, to stay on the issue of health care which you've covered so well, ali, you know, white people are the largest group of the uninsured and yet ever since the affordable care act was signed by our first black president the majority of white people have disapproved of the pretty modest idea that is obama care and there is a huge correlation against racial resentment against black people and in the southern, in most cases states and also maine

which is the whitest state in the nation refusal to expand medicaid under obama care. so it's this idea that government is on the side of people of color and that is why there's such a fear anti-government skepticism and suspicion among the majority of white voters -- the majority of white voters who have voted for the republican party for president, i'll remind you, ever since lyndon johnson signed the civil rights act. >> and so that's healthcare. the issues of wages, it's the same topic. while people earn less than white people do, if we look at $15 which the republicans are working against it, lots and lots of white people would benefit from it than white people. >> the fight for 15 has been spearheaded by black workers all over the country and yet it is a truly multiracial working class coalition.

i spoke with 15 workers across the country in my research for "the sum of us" and the majority of people making under $15 are white and yet white voters keep putting power a party that doggedly refuses to raise the minimum wage beyond a poverty wage, but i'll never forget a conversation with a fast food worker named brigitte, a white woman who had been steeped in this zero-sum, anti-black, anti-immigrant work view and it changed for her when she locked arms with black and brown workers at her wendy's and mcdonald's shifts and she could see herself in the workers across the color line and what she said to me was it's not a matter of us versus them. as long as we're divided, she said, we're conquered. >> i want to ask you about student debt because that's an issue that we are currently discussing right now. i want to show you a chart of student loan debt held by black people and white people. if you look at people under the

age of 35 it's almost matched and the percentage of non-black people who have debt. once you get to 35 to 44, in fact, it ends up being more black people than non-black people and the same thing once you get above age 45, but the bottom line is lots and lots of people of all races have student debt. if people got together and figured out how to address this it would benefit all of society. >> that's exactly right. i cover this issue in the book because we used to have a system in this country where the government picked up the tab for people to go to college between well-funded state schools by state governments and federal governments giving grants, not loans, in the form of the pell grant or the g.i. bill, and all of this free college system when the majority of the 90+ percent of the people going to college were white and it was after the civil rights system, and the white were turned away from

government solutions by majority of white voters that we began to cut back and that's why we have this debt for diploma system. so yes, eight out of ten black students have to borrow and that's mainly because of a racial wealth divide which means that black families typically because they were excluded deliberately from all of the wealth building policies over the course of the 20th century don't have the same kind of cushion to invest in college and yet the fact is that the majority of white students, six out of ten have to borrow, too. that free college and student loan debt cancellation is much more enthusiastically supported by black people. it's still supported by the majority of white people, but the biggest opposition in congress is the republican party that the majority of white people, nonetheless, despite what it's costing them continue to send into power. >> the book is great, heather. i like books who tell you the

story, it is called "the sum of us" how we can prosper together. it is an economic argument if we come together to fix these things, it isn't a zero-sum game all boats will rise. hearth mcghee. she is chair of the board of color of change and the author of this great book "the sum of us. what racism costs everyone and how we can prosper together "qwest. all right, cpac, need i say more? the political action conference has taken on new life as a cesspool of hateful lies. we'll get into that next and i'll talk to bob casey of pennsylvania about the path forward for the covid relief bill that passed in the house and tiffany cross talked to tina knowles-lawson about her fight for criminal justice reform and happens to be the mother of a star by the name beyonce, the queen bey, that's on the cross connection. velshi continues after a quick break. connection velshi continues after a quick break.

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