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bereason. end cyber attacks. from endpoints to everywhere. if you see wires down, treat them all as if they're hot and energized. stay away from any downed wire, call 911, and call pg&e right after so we can both respond out and keep the public safe. covid-19. the pharmaceutical giant says doses are expected to begin shipping tomorrow starting with about 4 million.
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johnson & johnson, which developed the vaccine, expects 20 million doses will be available by the end of march. upon hearing the news last night, president biden said, "there is light at the end of the tunnel, but we cannot let our guard down now or assume that victory is inevitable. we must continue to remain vigilant, act fast and aggressively and look out for one another. that is how we are going to reach that light together." let's get to allison barber outside the new facility where the new johnson & johnson vaccine will ship from. good to see you again. what's happening today to speed up that a process and get these shipments under way as possible in. >> reporter: the cdc group responsible for issuing guidance when it comes to vaccine use, they'll have an emergency meeting today. we expect that to take place at about 3:00. once that meeting happens and they issue their usage guidance, then the vaccine can start leaving this facility.
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as you said, we expect that to happen first thing tomorrow morning. johnson & johnson says they will distribute 4 million doses of this vaccine within the first week, 20 million doses by the end of march, 100 million doses by june, this summer. this is a single dose vaccine, needs to be stored at refrigerated temperature, a big difference from the other twoe available vaccines. experts say it should help make things easier for everyone to get the vaccine, for it to be issued, for it to be distributed, and hopefully speed up the big-picture vaccination process as we deal with the pandemic and hopefully get us out of it a little bit quicker. in terms of efficacy, this a vaccine has over 50% efficacy rate, efficient in preventing death, hospitalization and
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serious illness. in the u.s. it's 72% effective in fighting against all of those things you want to prevent with covid-19, the illness, hospitalization and death, and in places like south africa it's been around 60% effective. that is one thing experts say when you're looking at the efficacy rate and comparing it to pfizer and moderna, remember that this vaccine, it has been through trials with the more contagious newer strains of covid-19 that we've seen developed in places like the uk and south africa. ali? >> thank you as always. another historic day for us as this vaccine starts to get ready to be shipped out. allison barber in shepardsville, kentucky. now to an event that's sparked great anticipation for some and trepidation for others. the ex-president, the agitator himself, makes his return
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tonight to the stage. he merges from his month-long access and will speak since his eviction from the white house and do so at the cpac. it's always been a bit of a frin ji event. it was at least once considered a venue for for grassroots conservative ideas but it's become a haven for lies and conspiracy theories, a veritable cesspool of bigotry and hatred. some of what we're seeing at cpac would be funny if it weren't scary if it weren't for the fact people believe stuff. an actual member of congress, devin nunez, pushing the bounds of self-parity pushing the big lie that the election was stolen. not just that, not just the regular big lie to which you have become accustomed. in this version of the big lie, it's barack obama who stole the election. >> people forget right when this pandemic hit, one of the first people to come out and say we'll have to do absentee voting was
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obama. and they said that back in may. i think it was april or may when he first said that. the first time i had seen that. i was thinking, what? then of course they went to all their friendly places they could get this done and essentially started the first step of saying that everybody has to absentee vote and we know what happened. >> yeah. sure. it was obama. this stuff is incredible. the creative te that goes into this conspiracy fiction, which is almost funny because it's so ludicrous, except for the fact that people believe it. this is exactly the type of lie-filled garbage that prompted legions of trump floefers to storm the capitol with insurrection on their minds. now they're at it again, pushing the big lie, stoking the base, turning them away from the truth from what was clear and decisive, an outcome and decision by the american people
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during the 2020 presidential election. "the washington examiner" headline reads, "cpac celebrates trump," as if he didn't lose in 2020. "the new york times" writes that cpac has evolved from a family reunion of social conservatives and a hawkish foreign policy establishment into trump-chela. if you look to the split screen of american politics, while the cult-like worship of the loser of the 2020 election is going on, on one side, on the other ee covid-19 pandemic that his inept preld ses sor treated as a personal inconvenience when he was commanderer in chief. biden is concentrating on delivering aid to millions of americans through the covid rescue package, which is headed to the senate after getting approval in the house. >> we're one step closer to vaccinating the nation.
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we are one step closer to putting $1,400 in the pockets of americans, one step closer to unemployment benefits to millions of americans, one step closer to helping millions of americans field their families and keep a roof over their held. we're one step closer to getting our kids safely back in school. we're one step closer to getting state and local governments the money they need -- >> quite a contrast in leadership styles, one for the people he was elected to serve, the former continuing to be all about himself. joining us now, someone who knows the inner workings of the ex-president better than most. mary trump is a psychologist, which helps in this particular case, and the niece of the former president and author of "too much and never enough: how my family created the world's most dangerous man." i'll never forget talking to you on january 9th when it was determined that pennsylvania had gone for joe biden and that joe biden was going to be the president of if united states.
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you and i talked and you smiled. it was a piece of relief. what you were smiling about was something that people were out in the streets celebrating all over this country. and yet, and yet all the way through -- i'm sorry, this was in november, the election, not january, but all the way through january, donald trump continued to argue this big lie that he was not elected. need to know from you both as a psychologist and a family member, is this manipulation or is this delusion? >> it's strangely both. donald knows that joe biden is now the president of the united states. however, what he can't wrap his head around is the fact that he lost because psychologically in my family, certainly according to my grandfather, losing was absolutely the worst thing you could do. and let's not forget, it's not simply that joe biden got more
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votes than donald by at least 7 million, it's that donald since that phone call with vladimir zelensky and probably before has done everything in his power to cheat and steal the election, and he still failed. so he is having a very difficult time moving on from that, and unfortunately, really what matters here, ali, is the fact that the republican is in enforcing him. they are continuing to place him front and center and giving him relevance and feeding his mania, and that is the really truly dangerous thing. >> so it takes two to tan go here. as you said, donald trump likes theed a adulation, but the republican said we're not waiting for ideas. in the last election, they were devoid of policy for the cyis the man. at cpac, there is a golden statue of donald trump that people are taking pictures in
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front of. that behavior requires some analysis too, because this is not the kind of thing you can just warg people and say, hey, we should have a minimum wage higher than $10, we should go for $15 an hour or try and get health care for everyone. the republicans are not having this discussion right now. >> no, because they'll lose any discussion about policy, and they know it. and, you know, you talk about delusions and there we go. we see pictures of donald pasted onto around schwarzenegger's body or whatever. this is not rational behavior, and the republicans in congress have basically decided that they're better off sticking with the guy who gives his base permission to be their worst selves, essentially. he's elevated white supremacy, doubled down on it and here we
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are. i hear people say the republicans are afraid of donald. they're not. they are him. if they stick with him and keep the base riled up and motivated to go out and vote, all they need to do is continue to engage in the countermajoritarian tactics that have actually kept them relevant as a party, which is why the democrats in congress need to stop pretending that this is normal. this republican party is anti-democratic and the democrats need to understand that there are no rules anymore. >> apparently there are some republicans who -- many have left the republican party, but there are some who are remaining engaged in a way they think might push back. myles taylor, who had written that op-ed in "the new york times" anonymously and former chief of staff at department of homeland security, was on before i came on this morning.
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listen to what he said republicans might do about this. >> we are about to make an announcement in the very near future that's going to make donald trump have the worst heartburn he's had in the postpresidency. we are going to be channeling this movement in challenge him to create an insurgency within and without the gop to drive forward towards a better center-right political movement. we're going to bring the republican back from crazy to rationale as best we can, and trump should be shaking in his boots. >> so, mary, it's interesting. there's lot there. is it going to give donald trump heartburn if the republicans do this? is it going to make him shake in his boots? will republican rank-and-file be able to have a choice between following this weird narcissistic big lie and a center-right party that might reflect some of their legitimate political views? >> i'm skeptical.
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it would have been great if that happened a few years ago. they might have been more successful that way. but anything that splits the republican party, mitch mcconnell is not going to allow it to happen. let's put it this way. mitch mcconnell made it very, very clear that he knows that donald, donald j. trump, is directly responsible for the armed insurrection against our government on january 6th. he knows that he would be found guilty in a court of law. he also acquitted him and also said that he would absolutely support him if donald ran again in 2024. the republican party is not going to allow any splits, and the reason mcconnell is taking that position is because donald threatened them with creating his own third party. so republicanss are quite good at sticking together and falling in line. i'm not entirely sure that anything aimed at diminishing the republicans' power is going to take hold in any significant way. >> mary trump, there's a lot of talk that what this is tonight is donald trump coming out as
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the presumptive nominee for the republican party in 2024. do you imagine a reality in which donald trump runs for president in 2024? >> i imagine a reality in which he pretends to. we have to understand that donald's made more money in the last few months, raising money, you know, to fight the big lie or set himself up going forward than he ever has legitimately in any other endeavor. so i think that appeals to him certainly, but i don't think he would ever put himself in a position again to lose. so that's unlikely. and four years is a very, very long time. the other thing we need to keep in mind, and this is what i think is going to give donald pause going forward, is that that he's facing very serious state-level charges and in the very new future he's facing extraordinarily significant lawsuits aimed at him.
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so that's what -- i think that's what people should be focusing on more than else. >> including one from you. we shall discuss that the next time we're together. mary trump, my favorite trump, the niece of donald trump but more importantly the author of "too much and never enough." the white house released a new report on friday showing more on the brutal murder of khashoggi. the late nest what appears to be a series of foreign policy tests for the new president. that's next.
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president biden's made it clear he's determined to reset america's foreign policy relationships after four chaotic year of the world waiting to see if donald trump would start a war on twitter. now the biden white house is facing fallout over the decision not to take action to punish mohammed bin salman even after releasing the report showing that what we all knew, that the crown prince approved the assassination of "the washington post" journalist jamal khashoggi in 2018. on friday, the state department released a detailed intelligence report confirming mohammed bin salman, known as mbs, is the crown prince of saudi arabia, directly approved the assassination. according to the report, "the crown prince viewed khashoggi as a threat to the kingdom and
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broadly supported using violent measures if necessary to silence him." "the washington post" columnist who lived in virginia went to the saudi consulate in istanbul and he never came back out. he was brutally murdered and his body was dismembered. donald trump refused to make this report public even covering for the prince and denying his involvement. saudi arabia, meanwhile, calls the report false and unacceptable. but the biden administration stopped short of leveling any consequences at the crown prince himself. instead, announcing a so-called khashoggi ban to impose visa restrictions on 76 saudis engaged in threatening dissidents overseas including the khashoggi killing. former cia director john brennan spoke to my colleague joshua johnson last night and called for bide on the take stronger action than he has so far. >> he has to have a clear signal sent to him that carrying out these types of activities, oppressing, suppressing and ruthlessly killing any saudi act visit who dared to speak out
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against him is something that shouldn't be tolerated. i'm hoping the biden administration is going to hold him accountable saying if he's not going to come to the united states for any official or personal visits, that he's not going to have senior-level meetings with biden administration officials. this is something i think has to be made very clear, not just to salman and the rest of the saudi government but to other governments throughout the region that they cannot get away with this. >> now the white house says the state department will provide more details, elaborate on the saudi arabia situation tomorrow. joining me now, my good friend host of a show on peacock and will be right here on msnbc premiering tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern. double welcome to you, my friend. i don't know what you're doing up at this hour given the show tonight. mehdi, until 1979, the united states has had a fairly cozy relationship with israel, but before that it was a
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relationship with iran. then the united states used its friendship with saudi arabia and israel to put pressure on the iranians. so it used to be we needed saudi arabia for the oil. now it seems we need saudi arabia to put that pressure on iran. it's all a terrible starting point for why we should be in bed with the saudis. >> vcr point, ali. as usual, you hit the nail on the head. this is about more than oil or arms sales, it's about the geopolitics of that the region, the alliances with trump has made in that region with countering iran, alliances with the saudis and others. you have to ask the question, ali, on friday you had -- you know, thursday night the united states under biden carried out a military strike in syria against an iranian-backed lish they claimed was responsible for the u.s. side. he said he did it because he
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didn't want iranians to have impunity. that was the message. at the same time, the united states puts out an intelligence report saying, look, the crown prince of saudi arabia is spronsable for murdering and dismembering the body of a u.s. resident, a "washington post" journalist, but we're not doing anything about it. on the one hand, iran cannot have impunity. saudi arabia, you can have impunity. a lot of american who is perhaps don't follow middle east geopublics as closely as everyone else might be e wondering why the double standard? well, saudi arabia is our ally. is it our ally? in what sense? 15 of the 19 hijackers of 9/11 for saudis, not iranians or afghans. the ideology of i ses largely comes out of saudi arabia. the saudis when they were challenged by the canadians and americans and the french when jamal khashoggi was killed, made all sorts of threats. they didn't behave like a friendly ally owning up to what they did. i think it's a very good question you ask.t away with
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murdering a u.s. resident? people say it's about our interests, not values. even from an interest perspective, our interests to allow a ruler of a country that's our ally to go around behaving in this reckless, illegal, criminal fashion. >> i want to talk about cpac, this gathering. i sort of tried to share with my viewers the idea that there was once a time when interesting conservative ideas came out of cpac. it's always been fringy. but v but it's crossed a line into a cesspool of hay treld and bigotry and conspiracy theory. >> very much so. before i answer your cpac question, forgive me, a plug for tonight since we were talking about khashoggi. his widow will be joining me on the show to talk about her reaction to that report. i hope people will tune in for that. she just confirmed moments before i came on air.
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>> he was going to get something related to her and their ability to be married while he was in that consulate. >> yes. >> in istanbul, which led to his death. that will be very interesting. i'll be watching, memehdi. >> it's a human story. he was trying to gets married to his fiancee. i love your show. straight to the point. this is a fringy conference. no longer a mainstream conservative conference. the problem is the fringe is now the mainstream within the kosa of carolina was at cpac on sunday morning. saturday night he was speaking at a conference led by holocaust deniers, led by a bunch of white nationalists. he goes from there to a conference that hosts the supporters of white nationalism,
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cpac, on sunday. it's a real problem. the republican party is a white nationalist-dominated party with conservative fringes. mitt romney and co on the fringe and people like donald trump and people saying awful racist, xenophobic, white nationalist things as their main guests. the marjorie taylor-greenes. now center stage at cpac, while mitt romney is demonized and threatened with expulsion. >> what a strange, strange situation, mehdi. good to see you, my friend. congratulations on the show tonight. i'm looking forward to watching it. thanks again for joining us this morning. mehdi hasan, starting tonight at 8:00 p.m. join him with the news of the day and reporting and some of his fantastic interviews and one-on-one conversations. joshua johnson breaks down the week that was. mehdi hasan premieres at 8:00 p.m. followed by joshua johnson
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at 9:00 p.m. president biden managed to eke out a victory passing his covid relief plan through the house, but it was a victory achieved by the slimmest of margins. we'll speak with cedric richmond, a senior adviser to the president. this towel has already been used and it still smells fresh. pour a cap of downy unstopables into your washing machine before each load and enjoy fresher smelling laundry for up to 12-weeks. ok everyone, our mission is to provide complete, balanced nutrition for strength and energy. whoo-hoo! great tasting ensure with 9 grams of protein, 27 vitamins and minerals, and nutrients to support immune health.
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democrats for the first time since 2011 control congress with majorities in the house and senate, but even so president biden faces tough obstacles as the razor-thin majority in the senate threatens to hold back his first agenda. the covid relief package passed in the house in the wee hours of the morning jed but passed with democratic support only. every single republican voted against it as did two democrats. it can't afford to lose a single democratic vote in the senate. joining me is the man
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overcharged with overcoming the problems. cedric richmond is a senior adviser to president biden and the director of the office of public engagement at the white house. mr. richmond, thanks for being with us. we appreciate it. you are like the president, and like the vice president, someone who has spent many years in the halls of congress. you know that place well. but it is going to be a tump haul now. every piece of legislation the democrats put forward seems to be hitting a wall with republicans. how do you see this moving forward in terms of the president's agenda? >> look, we never thought the american rescue plan would be easy. we knew it would be difficult. it's a $1.9 trillion plan but an important one. we weren't going to let obstruction get in the way of aid for the american people. we'll keep pushing forward. and president biden has an aggressive agenda, and we're going to keep pushing and we won't let the numbers dictate our values or what we're going
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to do. but he also committed to being a bipartisan president and he will reach out to the other side of the aisle. now, they decide they just favor obstruction and they want to be an obstacle, then that's their decision. but you see that we're reaching out. we are trying to solicit their input. the truth is so far they just have not been willing to be partners on this. >> so there are a few instances where it looked like there was potential partnership, a number of the senators coming to the president about the coronavirus relief bill and had a suggestion. senator mitt romney has come out with a suggestion for a $10 an hour marriage, not the $15 that most americans want but the better than $7.25. do those things set the table for discussions that look like old-fashioned policy negotiations that could get you some of the way to what you want to achieve with bipartisan
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support? >> look, they came over to the white house, they had a $600 billion proposal. we're at $1.9 trillion. so the question is, do we leave out the checks for $1,400 that we're sending to americans that need it? do we take out the $20 billion for our veterans and make sure they beat coronavirus and they're taken care of? do we take out the money for unemployment insurance or the money to reopen schools? and so, that's the real discussion, and we need a big package to be an enormous problem. so we are still willing to talk and still engaged, but until we -- we're not going to compromise on what we think we need to beat the virus. so we're still open to conversations, but we are not going to give the country too little too late once again. >> let's talk about nominees. there are still a number of cabinet-level positions that are unfilled. there seem to be some
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difficulties with the nomination of neera tanden. where do we stand on that? >> we're still working. she's very qualified for the job. no one questions that. she would be a great voice in the administration. and she could help us get very progressive things done. so it's very unfortunate that it's going this way, but we'll keep pushing. at the end of the day, we expect her to be the omb director. >> what about deb holland? there's also pushback about that. some of the pushback is about policies she has supported with respect to energy, drilling, pipelines on federal land, and it's positions she shares with the president. >> look, we won this election with 84 million votes. we told the people of this country exactly what we were going to do and the people believed in us. we had a record number of votes for anybody who ran for
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president and our nominees will carry out the agenda of president biden and vice president harris. deb holland is very qualified for the job. she's a remarkable woman. and she has a lot of support behind her. we hope at the end of the day she will have a bipartisan confirmation. we need our nominees confirmed immediately. we're in twin crises in this country, an epidemic and an economic disaster. we had a president who didn't cooperate with transition and now we have a senate that's slow. all we're doing is hurting the american people. and, you know, there's a saying that says when go elephants fight only the grass suffers. since all the republicans want to do is fight, the people are suffering. we're not willing to do that. we'll continue to put the american people first because that's how president biden operates. and so we're going to continue to work. no one ever said it would be easy. we know it's going to be hard. that's why we were elected, to do hard things.
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>> congressman richmond, good to see you again. thanks for joining us. senior adviser to president biden and director of the white house office of public engagement. thanks for joining us. ibram will join us this week along with margaret cho to discuss racism in america. "the week" airs tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern. but as black history month draws to a close, we'll look at how it came to be.
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history month is always in february and it celebrates the many achievements and contributions that african-americans have made to this country. as we close out this historic month we found it important to look way back at how this whole thing got started. to do that, we enlisted the help of several of our friends. take a look. >> black history month is the product of a resilient people. black teachers and educators, children growing up all too often in a world that said they were second-class citizens. but black history month was also born from a great t pioneer, dr. carter jamison. >> it began in chicago, summer of 1915. dr. woodson, a harvard-trained
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historian, whose parents had been born into slavery, travelled from d.c. to illinois to participate in the celebration marking 15 years since the 13th amendment abolished slavery. thousands of african-americans traveled from far and wide to view the collection of exhibits highlighting the progress of our people since slavery. >> that same year, dr. woodson formed the association for the study of negro life and history to promote the study of black culture. in 1916, he established the journal of negro history, a publication seeking to promote scholarship on the subject. he urged black civic organizations, including his own fraternity, to help him in this endeavor. >> dr. woodson didn't sfop there. he said, "we are going back to that beautiful history, and it's going to inspire us to greater achievements." and it did. the commemoration began to catch on. in 1924, the association
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established negro history and literature week, which two weeks later became negro history week, specifically in the month of february. >> though it was the shortest month of the year, dr. woodson purposefully chose february in recognition of the birthdays of abraham lincoln and frederick douglass. but woodson believed the celebration should focus on more than the legacies of two men but underscore the larger contributions of all black people to the advancement of the human race. >> negro history week became very popular. it was taught in schools and showcased to the public. black history clubs began popping up around the country. teachers looked for books. some progressive whites joined in the effort. in the 1930s, the association set up branches across the united states simply to meet demand. >> in 1937, it launched the negro history bulletin, now known as the black history bulletin, to offer resources to teachers and the broader public.
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all this happening in a time of cascading racial violence. but woodson wasn't deterred. he wanted more. he saw black history as too rich and too important to be left aside or briefly acknowledged. so his work continued. >> by the 1940s, one could see the results of efforts to expand the study of black history especially in the classroom. in fact, black history slowly became a piece of the larger fight for racial justice, waging a battle against the ram pant ignorance, which often justified racial hatred. >> dr. woodson died in 1950, but the movement that eventually led to a four-month celebration was well under way. by the 1960s, consciousness spread to the thousands of black students on college campuses, a way for books and films on the subject for a new generation to the cause. >> the seeds of those early years were in full bloom, and in
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1976 the association expanded the week to a month-long tribute. that same year, president gerald ford issued the first presidential message on the observance of black history month. then in 1986, congress passed a law designating february 1st as the official beginning of national black history month. >> the law instructed the president to issue proclamations urging all americans toonth as . president ronald reagan was the first to do so in 1986. and every president since has done the same. the rest, as they say, is history. >> great big thanks to everyone who participated in that that project and helped it come together. you're all friends of our show. thank you so much. another week, another string of headlines revealing despite what it looked like newfound mass momentum for the black lives matter movement, the american justice system still refuses to give black lives the
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♪ ♪ every day can be extraordinary with rich, creamy, delicious fage total yogurt. it's been roughly nine months since george floyd died at the hands of police officers in minneapolis. after his passing we saw waves of black lives matter protests across this country condemning police brutality and in favor of racial justice. while those protests have died down in recent months, that could change if the trial of
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derrick chauvin winds up in a not-guilty verdict. the trial is set to begin in about a week first starting with jury selection on march 8th and opening statements beginning at the end of the month. will there be justice for george floyd? time will tell. separately we saw no justice for daniel prude last week when a grand jury ruled that no charges should be filed against rochester, new york, officers for his death. those accused used a hood to cover prude's head while he was suffering from a psychiatric episode. he subsequently died. where is the justice for this 9-year-old girl who was pepper sprayed and in handcuffs in the back of a police car in that same city? what sort of officer or adult for that matter feels like it's their only option when dealing with a little girl? these things shouldn't be happening, but the only way to put an end to it and truly achieve justice is by putting in the work. black lives matter movement has been doing it for several years now, but the workition. it cannot rest solely on the shoulders of african-americans
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and people of color. it is incumbent upon white people, any of us with privilege, to take direct action to achieve the justice in which they say they believe. dr. martin luther king jr. had a certain way of describing those who remained complacent in the struggle for human rights, writing in his letter from a birmingham jail, "the negroes' great stumbling block and stride toward freedom is not the white citizen's counselor or the ku klux klanner but the white moderate more devoted to order and justice who prefers a negative piece which is the absence of attention to a positive piece, which is the present of justice, who constantly says, i agree with you and the goal you seek but i cannot agree with your methods of direct action." so which do you choose? will you step up? or will you go the way of the white moderate? black lives matter, it's time everybody started acting like they actually do.
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i do think that we may be moving in a direction where we can finally start to see some change, some real change. but i also think that there's a lot of -- a lot of division in the country right now. i think that right now we're in the healing stages. and i don't want the race for civil rights to die down just because the pandemic is ended or just because we got a certain administration out of office. >> that was panelist jade hill whom i spoke to in birmingham, alabama. she's right. the fight for racial equality cannot falter now that one man is out of office. though how it will proceed and how you keep people engaged are legitimate questions. and they're perfect for my next
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guest. alicia garza is the co-founder of black lives matter and wrote "four hundred souls." trump personified the blackback against those americans saying black live matter. will the backlash become a force powerful enough to prevail or will our organizing become stronger and sharper in the face of such backlash. assured that our presence alone already secures our victory. only time and strategic organizing will tell. the next 400 years of african america. alicia garza joins us. she's also a principal of the black futures lab and author of the power -- the purpose of power, how we come together when we fall apart. alicia, great to see you. thank you for being here and thank you for your final chapter in the book. i want to jump right to something you write in your essay in 400 souls. today white nationalism serves openly in the white house and in
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congress. trump's first year in office saw the designation of a new category of terrorist. the black identity extremist, defined as a black person who takes pride in their culture and wants to cause harm to law enforcement officials. you have given -- you've said what actually exists. there are people who believe, to this day, that what happened on january 6th was antifa. it was black people who triggered it. through no particular evidence. but this concept of the scary black person who is fighting for their rights and will kill police officers has become real to some americans. >> that's right. and it's an even bigger story, which is that for a lot of white americans in this country, folks believe that in order to evenly distribute rights to everyone, as should be assured by the constitution, that the equal distribution of rights will somehow attack white america. and that is really the challenge here. that we are, as my friend
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heather mcgee says in her book "the sum of us," we are all engaging in this level of zero-sum thinking that says that if some people rise that other people have to fall. and you know, it's one of the reasons that i started the black to the future action fund and the black futures lab because, number one, we need a different story of black america. a different story that talks about and looks at the complexities of what our communities are facing every day. and what it projects for the future of this nation. but bigger than that even, what we're looking at here is how do we talk about the fact that what is good for black people, what is good for black communities, whether it be affordable health care, jobs, whether it be safety from predatory policing, what's good for black america is also good for the rest of america. and it does not have to be a zero-sum game. so i think that's an important thing for us to consider. >> i was just speaking to amara
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jones earlier about that same concept of zero-sum being applied to transgender americans. and heather was on the show yesterday speaking about the lengths to which people will go to deny black americans economically to achieve parity, even if it's at their own peril. how do we get people away from thinking about zero-sum because, really, it's just not. the idea is if you can protect the least among us and you can create parity amongst what people earn and how they live their lives and the justice they get at the hands of police, why wouldn't we be all better for that? >> well, i think the thing that we need to move forward with in order to achieve that vision is to win real things for real people. and we know that all over the news this week we've seen that the house has passed the first version, right, of the relief act. but our organization has stepped up to the plate and said we have to build back bold. that actually at the end of the
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day, the only way we're able to counter this level of zero-sum thinking is by winning real victories for real people. the thing that those of white house seek justice have over those of us who don't is that we are actually able to prove results. we are actually able to say when we provide health care to all americans that everybody's boat rises. we are able to say that when our communities are safe, including being safe from predatory policing, that all of our boats rise. but it means that we have to get aggressive and bold and courageous in remaking the rules that govern our society. unrigging the rules that have been rigged for generations against particular communities in this country but to the disparity of all of us. and i think that what we do by putting money in people's pockets, putting roofs over people's heads, making sure that people have their needs met is that it breaks up this notion when we meet needs that some
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people fail. and that's the thing that i think is important right now and that's why we put together this build back bold agenda, a black mandate for the biden/harris administration. looking at those core issues of not just how to invest in black communities in this very moment, but how investing in black communities is investing in the whole of america. >> alicia, you are the punctuation in the remarkable book "400 souls" and the punctuation to this show's coverage of black history month. and we thank you for all of that. we thank you for all the great support that you've given us in allowing our viewers to better understand these most serious issues. alicia garza, black lives matter co-creator. 400 souls creator, author of "the purpose of power: how we come together when we fall apart." and that does it for me. thank you for watching "velshi." i'll catch you here next saturday and sunday morning from 8:00 a.m. to 10:00 a.m. enjoy the rest of your sunday. do not go anywhere, however.
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"the sunday show" with jonathan capehart begins right now. the first military action, a legislative victory and more challenges ahead for president biden. i'll talk about them with white house communications director kate bedingfield. donald trump re-emerges today at cpac. what will he say? how will democrats respond? dnc chair jaime harrison will tell us. and the target of marjorie taylor greene's transphobic sign responds. i'm jonathan capehart. this is "the sunday show." this sunday, the third covid vaccine is now approved for use in the united states and president biden's covid relief bill isne

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