the arms of americans. we have not seen a big proposal in response back from republicans. >> republicans have not been involved. i listened to press secretary jen psaki speaking about how we've been listened to. i started laughing. that's such a joke. >> well, here's a live look at cpac where in just a matter of hours, donald trump will be taking the stage cementing his place as a leader on what he's expected to say and who he's likely to target as the party struggles with one question, are they still the party of trump? a couple of republican senators seem a bit skeptical. >> is this still donald trump's party? >> it's the voters party. >> we've got to win in two years. we've got to win in four years. if we do that, we'll do that by speaking to those issues that are important to the american people and there's a lot of issues important to them right now. not by putting one person on a

pedestal. >> and a major development in the fight against the coronavirus. the u.s. officially adding a third vaccine to its arsenal. johnson & johnson is gearing up to ship out $4 million of their vaccine as soon as tomorrow and they can start going into arms as soon as tuesday. as new vie rants, dr. fauci is urging people not to compare the vaccines and gethiev is available asap. >> the only way you know one versus the other, if you compare them head to head, and they were not compared head to head. they were compared under different circumstances. all three of them are really quite good. and people should take the one that's most available to them. >> well, among the angles that we're covering for you, they just can't quit them. a new poll showing how tight trump's grip is on the republican party. growing frustration, why there's

an uphill climb for president biden's nominees of color. plus, second accusation, another former aide confuses andrew cuomo of sexual harassment as cuomries for you. plus the rest of the day's headlines. so we begin as i welcome all of you with this breaking news, the final day of the cpac right now. and donald trump will close out the weekend with his first public appearance since leaving office. let's go to ali vitali who is joining me on the phone from orlando, florida. what are we going to hear today from donald trump? >> reporter: i've just gotten some new excerpts and it's clear that in his speech here today, former president donald trump will declare that the incredible journey we began together four years ago is far from over. basically coming right up to the line of announcing his 2024 intentions, but also laying out his vision for the future of his

words our republican party. that sort of tells us that trump is shying away from rumors that maybe he would leave the party or create his own. we know there are polls out there that show that a sizable portion of his base would follow him politically, they're wed to the trump side than they are to the republican party as some would consider it should be now, as some say they should move away from donald trump. lsgo on to say, if i can have your control room pull up the excerpts, he'll say that the republican party is united, speaking to the ongoing gop civil war, that push and pull over the future of the party that we have been tracking since he left office over a month ago. trump in his speech will say, quote, the only division is between a handful of washington, d.c., establishment political hacks and everybody else all over the country.

now, remember, i was told yesterday that congresswoman liz cheney was very likely to be called out by name in this context. it's clear now that trump is going to be drawing contrast, again, likely by name, between republicans who he feels have been with him and those who he feels have been against him. this is not just going to be a speech, though, that talks about republicans. it's also going to talk about president joe biden. issues like china, immigration, school reopenings, and he says in this speech, at least he's expected to, that joe biden has had -- this is trump -- the most disastrous first month of any president in modern history. i feel like with all of this, because i've covered trump for so long, you and i have covered so many of these events together, we've seen a lot of speeches for the former president, some of them never get read the way they were written. these are what we expect to hear from the former president. that being said, he's been known to veer off script in front of

friendly rooms before. this is a very trump-friendly room that he's heading into here this afternoon. >> it sounds like it's going to be vintage donald trump. great. okay. ali, thank you for that. let's go from orlando to shannon pettypiece. shannon, welcome to you. donald trump is going to call the biden first month a disaster. but the biden administration is hard at work on covid relief. what can you tell us? >> reporter: right, and they're about to get a big win here, this $1.9 trillion covid relief bill. what they are missing, though, is any sort of republican support. that is something the white house set out for. they thought maybe they could get one or two republicans on board. that doesn't look like it's going to be happening. maybe they could hold out hope in the senate. here's what white house communications director kate bedingfield has to say this morning about that. >> his question would be, which piece of this package do you

want to cut? do you want to cut the direct checks to families who need it the most? do you want to cut the money to get schools reopened? do you want to cut the money to get vaccines in the arms of americans around the country? he believes that this package is tailored to meet the critical needs that we're facing right now in this moment of crisis in this country. and he's not willing to compromise on the things that we need to get the virus under control and get the economy back on track. >> reporter: now, to this question they keep asking, what do republicans want to cut? republicans have been clear on that. they want to cut the $15 minimum wage increase, cut funding that's going to go places for schools. republicans have been open about what they don't like about this bill. but when i talked to white house officials early on, a few weeks ago, in this process and what you've been hearing on the hill, they realized they were not close to a deal with republicans at the beginning of this and then they realized they don't really have to make a deal with

republicans. they can go through this reconciliation process. why negotiate themselves down to try to get some republicans on board when they don't have to. so they started moving early on through this process without a real concerted effort to get republican support. they're not going to be able to do that going forward on other big issues of the legislation. so i think that is going to be the time when you start to see the real discussions, the real compromise, the real bipartisan reach across the aisle joe biden when it comes to this big infrastructure plan that's down the pipe, possibly immigration reform that could come before that. they're not going to be able to march ahead on their own like they did for the most part here. watch for that as we get into the weeks and months ahead. >> that we will do. thank you so much. appreciate that. joining me right now, alina treen and peter baker. welcome to you both. i want to get your reaction to

what ali was reporting, the excerpts from trump's cpac speech. peter, anything unexpected there? >> not really, i think it would be unrealistic to expect that donald trump would be a unifier. he's going to use it to define the party as a trump party. we've seen that. he called cpac, tpac. it's all driven around personality. it's all driven around this one individual figure. not over particular policies or particular ideology, even, i think a lot of people at cpac agree with the former president on a lot of things, it's so driven by personality and that's what's so confounding to other republicans who don't want him to play a part in the party anymore, liz cheney and others. i think this conference is a really interesting moment in the president's -- the former president's reemergence of the

january 6th event in which he encouraged the crowd that eventually went onto storm the capitol of the united states. >> can i ask you to consider adding another thing beyond personality. isn't it a little bit about money too? donald trump trying to use a platform so he can continue to campaign finance, if you will, or raise money for a pac, or however you want to put it, because he's dangling that carrot about 2024. >> yeah, i think it's a very good point. he raised more than a couple hundred million dollars in the weeks after the election by promoting these false allegations that the election has somehow been stolen. that was a profitable thing for him. it's a major feature of this political moment for him. and, remember, this is a president who is facing an awful lot of trouble of his own. last week, the manhattan district attorney got ahold of his tax returns. he's got all kinds of other legal exposure, the former

president does, and he has $400 million in personal debt and corporate debt coming due in the next few years. he's got a lot of burdens on him that may make his ability to be a formidable part of the party difficult. but he's not going to walk away. >> yeah. what's your reaction to the early excerpts of donald trump's expected speech? first of all, do you think he will stay on script? even when he may have a well articulated and written out speech to him. and even the point of joe biden. i'm going to use the word vintage again. he says it's disastrous, this first month. how many people has he called a disaster in the past, right? >> you're totally right. and i expect he'll go off script. we can anticipate what his demeanor is going to be like. he's going to be in front of a crowd who are his supporters who are coming to see him. it's going to be like another one of his rallies where he

feels like a rock star. that is what cpac generally is. remember, past performances by the president at cpac and past speeches where he's hugging the flag that is standing there. he's going to be in front of his people. we can expect him to really play on the crowd, play on their energy, and as peter said, he's going to be -- continue to be divisive. he knows that there's a lot of people who are against him. people like liz cheney. he's probably going to take aim at mitch mcconnell for his scathing rebuke of him following the impeachment trial. and so it's really going to be an us versus them type of speech. he's going to go after president biden and showing, i'm not going anywhere. and the interesting thing, even after all of the criticism that the former president received in light of the january 6th attack, he still is the most popular republican politician and polls show that. he's still very much -- if he

did announce that he wanted to run in 2024, he probably would win the nomination. mitt romney is someone who is arguably his biggest detractor from the former president in the senate. so i think we can expect him to play on the energy, take what he can from the crowd, and, like his experts show, take aim at his detrackers. >> no argument there. peter, what do you think -- if not publicly, but privately, is the reaction from the biden administration to this ongoing trump presence? >> well, they knew that was going to be the reality. this is the first president in modern times who had his predecessor hanging over him in quite the same way. we haven't seen that really since i would say fdr and herbert hoover, wanted to run against him again in future

elections. donald trump doesn't plan to go anywhere and that's a reality for president biden. that has an advantage for him as well as a disadvantage. the disadvantage, it sucks the air out of the room and makes it difficult for republicans to make compromises that they might be willing to make had they not had trump hovering over their shoulder. it's also an advantage, i think, in some ways to president biden, because it managed to reunify his coalition at a time when they had their own differences. one thing they share is a mutual antipathy for donald trump. >> okay, so the white house is facing some criticism that the bill's too partisan, after it passed in the house without a single republican vote. but there's a discrepancy on which side is unwilling to compromise. take a listen to this. >> there have been more republicans in the house and senate sitting in the oval office over the last month,

having a discussion, having a debate at times with the president about what they want to see in this package, what we can work together on, than perhaps over the last four years. we've not seen a big proposal in response back from republicans. this is the scope of the problem. >> republicans have not been involved. i listen to press secretary jen psaki speaking about how we've been listened to. that's a joke. they put forward a package which reflects the democratic constituencies that help the president. >> i want to ask this follow up to that of both of you. do you think the bill is going to get any republican support? >> as of now, alex, and from my conversations with people, republicans in the senate, it doesn't seem likely. i think that even people who are most willing to reach across the aisle, again, someone like senator mitt romney, he's

calling the bill a $1.9 trillion clunker. and i think that shows how a lot of republicans in the senate are feeling toward this bill. and i do think that's a budget reconciliation process that really turned off a lot of republican senators earlier on. that they thought that this was just going to be a partisan process, they're pushing it through because they need to get this done by mid-march. but ever since that happened and they knew it was going to be going through the budget reconciliation process, a lot of republicans said, look, they're pushing their own agenda and we're going to unite against the bill. >> something i want -- my director, can you put up the screen and the issues that are in the bill. peter, i want you to address the first thing, $1,400 stimulus payments. that's not going to potentially play well when democrats remind voters that republicans voted against getting that extra needed money to suffering americans.

>> well, that's right. look, remember, that $1,400 is meant to go on top of the $600 included in the package that was signed and passed in december. then president trump said he wanted it to be $2,000. what the democrats have done here is said, okay, fine, we're calling him on it. we'll add $1,400 and get to the $2,000 that president trump said he wanted. some people do need help. but these people aren't to payments who have lost their jobs. it's payments to everybody under a certain income category, people who haven't lost their jobs or needing financial aid. it's across the board. everybody who makes a certain amount of money or less. that's more of a stimulus than a relief. we're going to give you extra dollars, and we hope that you spend that money in order to stimulate the economy. what some republicans would say, a lot of people are going to put that money in the bank. they're not going to spend it

and you've given a lot of money away without getting the benefit you think -- you say you're going to get about it. a lot of people can use that money. people who have lost their jobs, had economic trouble because of the pandemic. but that payment doesn't distinguish between those -- it only has an income category. it doesn't have a need category. >> all right. you've outlined everything very clearly on that front. in the recent article that you co-wrote for "axios" in which you said chuck schumer is saying he can pass president biden's $1.9 trillion coronavirus package but wants to avoid any last-minute changes jeopardizing its trajectory. what makes him so sure that he can pass this thing? >> well, alex, my conversations with people who have been talking with senate majority leader chuck schumer in the past few days, he doesn't want to rock the boat. he thinks he has the 50 votes he needs. he thinks they're all democratic votes which is -- really can't lose anything given the margins

right now in the senate. he thinks if they don't change anything and leave the bill as is, it can kind of sail through, particularly now that the $15 minimum wage provision was -- the senate parliamentarian ruled that cannot be included in this bill. and so that's really the gamble that they're making right now, that they can get just enough votes needed to get it over the finish line. and it's interesting, i did speak to peter's point as well, i spoke to a lot of republicans this week about, you know, this is a very popular bill among voters. if you look across the country, you look at polling, it has bipartisan support. and so what is -- are you worried about not supporting a very popular bill, and every republican i spoke to said, no, it's not doing enough -- we're not going to be getting kids back in school. a lot of the money that has been appropriated in past bills is not being accounted for or spent. some of this money won't be spent until 2022. these are the arguments you're going to hear from republicans. but chuck schumer is firm in thinking it doesn't matter.

if we can get the democratic votes needed to pass this bill, particularly by the march 14th deadline that they're looking at, we can move on to other agreements on other bills in the future. >> okay. i want to thank you both. thanks, guys. so the glass isn't half empty, it's broken. at least that's the view of the political right and it's one of pessimism. what does that mean? the fascinating results ahead. s. if you need the key to fresh laundry try gain flings. they have more freshness ingredients compared to bargain liquid detergent. they have 3 super powered ingredients that fight stink oxi boosts and smee difference. man: condos, 150k.

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new reaction today from a leading member of the senate intel committee about the heightened security around the capitol. this comes after a deadly bombing threat ahead of president biden's upcoming speech to congress. let's go to vaughn hillyard. vaughn, a new bombing threat, that's concerning. what do you know about this? >> reporter: a big reason why the fencing behind us here, around the capitol complex remains because of the threat that is still posed on members

of congress in the capitol complex. just this thursday, u.s. capitol police acting chief told lawmakers here in d.c. that ahead of joe biden's first anticipated address to congress, which could be here this march, that there's a threat that -- based off of their intelligence, of a potential threat of an explosion to kill as many members of congress as possible. of course, this is coming from raw intelligence which there was similar type of sessions made online ahead of inauguration day. but that is why you continue to see this presence here behind us. more than 300 individuals have now been charged with charges related to the insurrection on january 6th. i want to let you listen to senator mark warner. the chairman of the senate intelligence committee appearing on fox news this morning talking about that very threat. >> there were indications that

some of the insurrectionist groups that stormed the capitol on january 6th potentially had a -- have interest in seeing if they can cause more destruction when president biden gives his state of the union. that's coming just from the public reports. so i think it is appropriate that we keep that security in place. i want those fences to come down as soon as possible so that the american people can have access to their elected representatives. >> reporter: fbi director christopher wray will appear before the senate judiciary committee in a hearing to address the present threat and is concerns over the resources available to the justice department to take on white supremacy and militia groups. it was this last september that wray addressed another committee and noted that the single greatest domestic threat were white supremacists.

that came months before the attack on capitol hill. the man who is believed to have left pipe bombs outside of the dnc and rnc buildings has not been identified or arrested by authorities and these investigations are continuing. just this week, a former nypd officer was charged related to the january 6th attack. he used to guard city hall in new york and yet ultimately video is showing this man striking officer with a metal pole. there's an update from capitol police in the investigation of -- related to the death of police officer brian sicknick. the fbi has identified -- or has at least identified the face in the individual that they want to press charges related to the death of brian sicknick. they believe that it could potentially have been the use of bear spray by this assailant.

they have not identified the individual at this time, though, alex. >> but we know they're looking as intently as they can. thank you so much. appreciate that. joining me now, norma torres, democrat from california. she's on the house appropriations and rules committee. congresswoman, welcome back to the show. i'm glad to see you again. i've heard you describe the terror of being trapped inside when the insurrectionists stormed the capitol on january 6th. when did you first hear of the threat to the next joint session and what ran through your mind when you heard about it? >> thank you, alex, for inviting me to be with you again. and i must express to you and my constituents the disappointment that we have not been briefed on the next threat. members of congress, like myself, continue to read these threats online, but there has

been absolutely no briefings on what to expect either next thursday or, you know, the next threat after that. >> okay. that is concerning. is there a reason why you think you haven't been yet briefed on this? because we are aware of it. obviously here in the media, we're reporting the concern for at least a few days now. >> i do not know. i suspect because there are threats from within our own members of congress, within these capitol -- the capitol building. and if they brief -- they cannot brief some members and not all of us. so it could stand from there. but i believe -- i strongly believe that i should know what's going onto fully prepare myself. i was pinned down for 45 minutes

o go home and see my family that day. >> clearly those fears still residual with you. every republican and two democrats voted against splitting with the party, voting against it. how does that give you hope that this can clear the senate and be on president biden's desk by the needed date of march 14th? >> president biden was very clear during his campaign. he was committed to a national strategy to defeat this deadly virus which included direct assistance to hard-working families. it is unfortunate that republicans and some of our members continue to be deniers and continue to talk about this virus as if it's not a real threat. over half a million americans

have died as a result. and it is time for us to address the needs that we know, long lines, miles long lines of food pantries in our communities, the vaccination is available, you know, to some people in our community, but not to everyone. so this bill gets us where we need to be. 68 billion for vaccines, for testing, hiring public health workers, 40 billion to fund homelessness programs and help renters and homeowners pay their rent. 350 billion to pay first responders, frontline health workers and other essential workers that right now -- don't even have all of the ppe that they need. and 130 billion to help schools reopen safely, which is what we all want. >> absolutely. you're aware that most democrats don't think that $15 minimum

wage is going to survive the senate. would it be fair to add a provision to force businesses, some of them, not all, to hike the minimum wage to $15? >> most businesses, including some of the businesses that, you know, have been targeted as, you know, not paying or not doing enough for their employees, have raised the wage because they recognize the need for a higher wage in their communities. in the district that i represent, people have to travel 40, 50, 60 miles one way to work simply because they cannot afford to pay rent or pay a mortgage in the communities where they work. it's time for us to raise the federal minimum wage and i know there are senators right now working very, very hard to see how they can -- if not through this vehicle, then through another vehicle, to try to pass

this bill. because we need to raise this, the federal minimum wage. >> absolutely. let me ask you about the stalemate, gridlock, if you will, with regard to president biden's 13 nominees waiting to be confirmed. it's a very diverse slate as you can see here. we're showing our viewers the diversity there. activists are concerned if you look at the african-american, latino, and native american nominees, those are the ones that are experiencing more turbulence in this process than the white nominees. what are you hearing about that? >> it does not surprise me that republicans in the senate continue to oppose these nominees. president biden has nominated qualified people to help run the federal government and i'm bothered by the fact that it's taking so long to get them approved. neera tanden, her nomination is

being held up over tweets. the former president, for the past four years, they've seemed to have become more aware of what's in the twitter world. if they were focused on qualifications, the way they were supposed to, neera and deb haaland would not be facing such opposition. let's face it, if senate republicans were doing their jobs, these nominations would have been approved long ago. >> i'm curious -- i want to play a quick sound bite. this is from a former press secretary to bernie sanders who is speaking out about this specifically, identity politics. take a listen. >> her identity would be relevant if because of her life experiences, it informed her policy preferences so that she actually had spent her life and plans to spend her future protecting the very programs that enabled her family to

survive. she has a significant record of being on the record, as being willing to cut the very social programs she cites. >> i just want to play that again in response to the neera tanden comments right there. let me ask you about president biden's blowback that she's gotten, some from democrats, including alexandria ocasio-cortez, for reactivating a facility to house migrant children. aoc says this is not okay, never will be okay, no matter the administration or party. how do you think president biden should handle this situation at the border? >> i have been dealing with voter issues and most importantly the root causes of migration since arriving to congress six years ago. it is unacceptable that children are being forced to stay in a secluded location, whether it's a cage or a four-wall

installation. these kids deserve to be in the communities with the family members that are welcoming them. so i would agree that isn't acceptable to continue to hold these children and their families in prison-like environments. >> okay. that will be the last word there. norma torres, thank you so much for your time. coming up next, a second allegation of sexual harassment against new york governor andrew cuomo. what the former cuomo aide claims and what he's saying about it. and about the johnson & johnson vaccine. when will it be available and why it could be a major weapon against covid-19. ur clothes couy fresh for weeks? now they can! this towel has already been used and it still smells fresh. pour a cap of downy unstopables into your washing machine before each load and enjoy fresher smelling laundry for up to 12-weeks. i'm jayson tatum check out my subway sub with delicious turkey and crispy bacon. it will help you hit shots from anywhere,

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from outside the governor's manhattan office with more on the latest accusation. what are we learning? >> reporter: well, alex, the staffer, 25-year-old charlotte bennett was hired in 2019. she was transferred eventually to the albany office to help with the state's covid response. it was during the height of the pandemic here in new york that she was alone in cuomo's office and says that a conversation grew really uncomfortable. he was asking questions about her private life. even if she had been with any older men. she says that after that conversation, she told people in the office, she told cuomo's chief of staff and special counsel. she was transferred to a different position on the other side of the capitol. she says they didn't want to go through with a full investigation because she wanted to move on. she's a sexual assault survivor. she felt obligated to come forward. governor cuomo is denying the allegations. in a statement, he thought he

was being supportive and a mentor and called for an independent investigation. but it would have been done by someone his office appointed and that obviously didn't sit well with a lot of people, including congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez who today tweeted that the investigation should be done independent by by someone, an attorney general in letitia james office. she responded and saying she was ready to appoint someone but was waiting on a request from the governor's office. and we got a response from the governor's office saying they had asked the attorney general and the chief judge of the court of appeals to jointly select someone. this comes after another staffer came forward this week with allegations from 2016 to 2017. even an allegation that cuomo had kissed her, allegation that he denies. press secretary jen psaki was asked this morning on cnn about these allegations. let's listen. >> first, president biden has been consistent that he believes

that every woman should be heard, treated with respect and dignity. there should be an independent review, looking into these allegations, and that's certainly something that he supports and we believe should move forward as quickly as possible. >> reporter: of course, alex, this is also coming as the governor is under increased scrutiny for the undercounting of nursing home deaths involving covid-19. that's under federal investigation and calls this morning for him to step down, from representative elise sta stefanic and calling for the legislative to strip cuomo of his emergency order powers that would overrule local authorities. a lot of moving parts today with this story. >> thank you. now to developments in the coronavirus pandemic. millions of doses of the johnson

& johnson vaccine could begin shipping as soon as tomorrow after the fda cleared it for emergency use late yesterday. the cdc advisory panel will make recommendations for who should get those doses. dr. fauci warning that now is not the time to loosen restrictions. >> understand the need and desire, understandably, to want to just pull back because things are going in the right direction. but you've got to get that baseline down lower than it is now, particularly in light of the fact that we have some worrisome variants that are in places like california and new york and others that we're keeping our eye on. it's too premature right now to be pulling back too much. >> the cdc has issued new school reopening guidance to address ventilation quality concerns after critics say original guidance failed to do that. the update stressed ensuring ventilation systems are meeting code requirements and using he pa filters for enhanced

cleaning. and the vaccine will increase the number of shots available to the americans. unlike the two required shot for pfizer and moderna, the j&j vaccine is one and done. let's go to ellison barber in kentucky, where the vaccine will begin its journey. welcome to you, my friend. what does this rollout plan look like and is it different than what we've seen before since the storage temps are different with the j&j vaccine. >> reporter: certainly the assembly line packaging process we saw with the pfizer vaccine, there were a lot of stops, so much dry ice, so much packaging. we expect this process in that regard to be a little less involved, perhaps, a little bit quicker, a little bit easier. but in terms of the general distribution, once things actually get going and in terms of where it goes, hospitals, pharmacies, this vaccine will follow the same path and be

distributed in a similar way as we saw with the moderna and pfizer vaccine. we expect trucks to leave this facility with the johnson & johnson vaccine tomorrow morning, first thing tomorrow morning and 4 million doses of the vaccine to be distributed within a week. here's some of what the doctor who helped develop this vaccine with johnson & johnson had to say on this show just yesterday. >> we really want this to be rolled out as quickly as possible and start saving lives. we were very, very enthusiastic of the results of the trial showing a high degree of safety and efficacy against severe disease. and also the fact that it's a single shot vaccine and does not require subzero freezing. we think that will aid in widespread distribution of the vaccine. >> reporter: there are so many americans who live in areas that do not have easy access or

access to quality medical care and that's where this vaccine could be a real game changer. my parents, for example, they live in rural georgia. for them to see their primary care physician, it's an hour and a half drive round trip. imagine having to do that twice to get a vaccine and maybe not having the time to take off work or the money to afford that gas. that's a long drive. we have reported with options, rural hospitals in michigan and they talked about how challenging it was to get the vaccine to their affiliates because so many smaller, rural hospitals, pharmacies, did not have the supercold special freezers. with this vaccine, you don't need that. you just need regular refrigeration and that's something most pharmacies have. this vaccine has been shown to be 85% effective in severe cases of covid-19. >> that's a very good stat to share. thank you so much. i hope your parents get their covid vaccine and are happy and healthy as a result of that. where do the loyalties lie?

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some new polling is giving us an idea of what's behind the massive embrace of donald trump at cpac. a recent poll shows more than half of these 74 million people who voted for trump last november are more loyal to trump than to the gop party. and given a choice between supporting a third party formed by trump and the gop, 48% chose

trump while only 26% picked the republican party. okay. lots to discuss. joining me now, don calloway, democratic strategist, susan del percio, republican strategist, and david jolly, former congressman from florida and an msnbc political contributor. okay, guys. david, you first. how much should this frighten the gop? because trump clearly knows that he has this power and he's using it to his advantage. does that damage or enhance the party? >> well, it makes it harder for them to win. because the remarkable thing -- we're seeing the celebrations around trump at cpac, is trump and trumpism is still the heartbeat of the gop. the man himself has his grip on the party. but, alex, he lost to joe biden. and that's the great irony and the great tension in these numbers is that the party might be embracing donald trump but

donald trump lost to joe biden. and he would lose again because it was such an inflection point this past november for the country where they chose, yes or no on donald trump, period. and that test in 2024 doesn't look any different than it did in 2020. to play. >> yeah, but if you're donald trump and you're spewing the lies continually about how the election was stolen and that you really won by a lot to quote him, know, that's -- that's the way he gets around that, but there's another recent poll i want to go through, guys, from the economist and ugov and given the option which comes close toast your view. one, our lives are threatened by terrorists, criminals and legal immigrants and our priority should be to protect ourselves or, two, it's a big beautiful world, mostly full of good people and we must find a way to find each other and allow ourselves to be isolated. more americans chose a second option but a majority of republicans chose our lives are

threatened statement and among those who said they voted for donald trump fully two-thirds embraced the threatened view. what does that tell you, susan? >> it says that th alive and we republican party and the people that support donald trump. they don't want -- donald trump's party, if you will, the base, does not want to figure out how to get things done. they look at compromise as a bad thing, as working together as being part of the establishment which is also bad and wrong. the fact is that donald trump only knows how to attack things as us versus them and giving people a reason to be afraid is the only thing he knows how to leverage. just to go one point further on david's point. not only did he lose the presidency, he is the cause of the loss in georgia, not one seat but two, so when you look at the senate seats and what happened in georgia it goes again to what donald trump is.

it's about him, not about the other person winning. it's about him winning and his agenda. >> yeah. also at cpac we're seeing trump's election lies flourishing, the point i was making earlier when david had finished speaking. let's take a look at some of what has been said over the past few days. here it is. >> essentially then over the last, i don't know, five years, virtually everybody has registered to votes and ballots are just flying out everywhere. >> as many of you know there were incident of fraud out there in arizona and yesterday a federal district court judge allowed the state legislature who has supremacy over the maricopa county board of supervisors to access the dominion machines. >> i guarantee georgia was not blue and what happened last week was solely because of a horrible secretary of state and horrible decisions that he made. >> yeah. wow, big wow to all of that,

don. i can't even believe they mentioned the dominion machines. can you think about the lawsuits on that. anyway, what's your reaction? >> you know, when i think of cpac in general i think of a 1974 song by blue magic called "let the sideshow" begin. it's really a sad spectacle and what worries meet most. i'm glad you played those particular clips is you have people here who are very unserious thinkers perpetuating lies offering to continue to inject this voter fraud into folks and that's going to fuel state legislatures and republican county legislatures across the county to continue to triple down on the voter suppression stuff. i exist in the voting rights communities and i talk to people from all spectrums from republicans who are interested in protecting the right to vote. they are not in that space and

republicans are not serious are not part of that republican party. there's -- it must have been fraud because the majority of white folks didn't decide what happened but these are not serious people or who know the legalities of the american voting process and you can't underscore that enough uncertain, very dangerous sideshow. >> edwin, please stay with me. we're going to take a quick break. coming up next a top republican prediction and bold bet. is that bunch a hot air. we'll take a look. bet. is that bunch a hot air. we'll take a look. heartburn happens when stomach acid refluxes into the esophagus. prilosec otc uses a unique delayed-release formula that helps it pass through the tough stomach acid. it then works to turn down acid production, blocking heartburn at the source. with just one pill a day, you get 24-hour heartburn protection. prilosec otc. one pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn.

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his own house. our panelists back with me. quick round robin. i'm curious if any of you would make the same bet. ladies, first. you, susan. >> i wish he would have bet his seat. that he would give up his seat if they don't wish it. no. >> no. >> i don't think i'd be making that bet if i were him. >> don? >> very good chance they can get back the house if democrats fail to go big. raise the minimum wage, take serious action on climate and protect local votes at the ballot boxes. there's a chance they do get it back but usual lit mid terms go against the presidents. >> that's a good answer because you outlined what they have to do. how about you, david? >> 100% agree with kevin mccarthy. i would bet ketch mccarthy's house on it. alex, the house is controlled by about 30 or 40 seats, dems made inroads into those, republicans clogged them back. the trend is the republicans' friend right now in the house.

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