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those eight minutes and 46 seconds opened the eyes of millions of americans and millions of people all over the world. >> perhaps we can step into a different way of being, to actually step into the promised land, but first it will require of us to confront our ghastly failures, to tell the truth about who we are. >> hey, everyone, i'm tremaine lee. president biden is in the white house, in no small part thanks to black voters. 87% of the vote went to joe

biden, but now that he's in office, what comes next for black america? after four deeply-divided years of scandal, rebellion and plague, the trump era ended in a fog of violence. and this democracy, our democracy, was nearly brought to its knees. as the smoke clears on this new day and a new administration rises in the white house, questions remain about what we've lost and what we stand to gain, because, in this moment, americans are hurting. and few feel the pain more than black americans. we've weathered a summer of police violence and unrest. suffered a covid-19 death rate almost three times that of whites. our children have fallen further and faster in this disrupted school year. and for black main street, the

economic fallout from the pandemic seems to have no bottom. yet we continue to demand that our lives matter in the streets, and at the polls. the 2020 election marked a great high. but we also witnessed american politics weaponized against us. the lie of a stolen election peddled by donald trump and his enablers hid a much more sinister idea, to disenfranchise voters, many black voters, those who flexed blue in places like detroit and philadelphia. lie whipped white supremacists and trump loyalists into a riotous frenzy that ended in the storming of the capitol building on january 6. it was an attack on democracy, but don't get it twisted. this was always an attack on the

black franchise. the confederate flag, a symbol of white supremacy, flew high that day. now president biden and vp harris have promised to make racial equity a focal point of the administration. he's nominated the most diverse cabinet in history, and he's already signed a wave of executive orders aimed at chipping away at systemic racism, but black folks have been promised much in the and time in again we've been given symbolism and feel-good measures instead of change. the pendulum is always in motion. somewhere between progress and regression. so in this moment, the question we ask from black america is whether we are entering a new chapter or simply turning the page on a very old story. this is "can you hear us

now -- the next chapter", a conversation about race, justice and a way forward. to unpack this moment, i'm joined by co-founder of the black voters matter fund, latasha brown. host of the podcast, bear tune day thurston and john batiste. bear tune day, let's start with you, man. black voters saved joe biden's campaign when they lifted him in the south carolina primary, then with big showings in heavily-black cities. when you take stock of everything we've seen, what do you make of this moment, but more importantly, what does biden owe to black voters? >> thank for having me, trymaine, good to be with you, family. i love the setup. good context. so black folks have been saving joe biden throughout the past year plus, have been saving

america for the past 400 years plus, and it seems to be part of our function to remind this country of what it wrote down on the beautiful pieces of paper and to drag the country heavily resistant though it may be to the promises it has made. what i make of this moment is a bit of relief. there was a compression on my chest of persistent anxiety over the past four years of ratcheting up dehumanization and permission granted by the top officeholder of the land towards all sorts of ugly, and it is a relief to have that threat to our democracy over. what joe biden owes to black people and black america is in some ways what he owes to all americans. he owes us in particular, just constant applause, constant thanks. there shouldn't be a day that goes by your joe biden's like,

also thank black people. he could be cutting a ribbon on a post office, also thank black people and back up that gesture with hacking away at the systems of oppression and creating a pathway out of covid, especially for black folk who've been hit so hard out of these economic doldrums which we've been living in well before covid and we've been especially hard hit by. there's a lot. but they're beyond a decent start to be honest, and i want them to keep it up. because as you said, we've been in places like this before. >> that's right. there certainly has been a lot. and latasha, i want to come to you. in biden's victory speech he said he's going to have the backs of black americans, but your organization tweeted a lot of people care about the black vote but not black voters. how can black voters hold the biden administration to its promises? >> i think the work as we were talking about, our work is 365 days out of the year.

it's not just about elections. we're talking about that we, black people, didn't leave anything on the field. we put it all on the field. not only did we decide on a nomination. not only did we make sure there was a black woman that was vp, not only delivering the white house to the democrats, but we also delivered the senate. we gave them the best-possible conditions to be able to govern. and in there, there's an expectation that we will start seeing policy that will look out for and improve the lives of black people. this wasn't just about participation. this is far beyond applause. this is how we're going to fundamentally shift the lives of our community. black women are 68% of wage workers. what we do know is there was a report done by cnn in december that talked about the 140,000

all women, primarily black and brown women, actually white women gained. so there is a fundamental issue of how this pandemic is impacting our community. how we're talking about the elimination of poverty. there are thinks when i'm thinking about in the first 100 days, i want to see voting rights restored. i want to see a stronger approach in policy to voting rights. if in fact we are the vote that really helps enfranchise, help protect democracy, in fact we should see that same type of diligence around prefkting and expanding our right to vote. >> the biden win came in the midst of a pandemic and after the protests of the death of george floyd, that you played a part in. talk about activism this year and how the demands of people in the streets turned into action. >> you have to think about the level of apathy that we saw in the 2016 election and the level of engagement that we saw in

this past election. and you have to see that transformation was manifest in the activism that we saw. people in the new generation, people coming up who haven't experienced the civil rights movement are seeing it unfold yet again and seeing that we haven't dealt fully with things that are part of the american ethos that we try to sweep under the rug. when i saw, when i saw in the street, it was people not only who understood the importance of activism, like my grandfather, like people in my family, people who came up marching and understanding that we have to stand up. there were people from the next generation, and they were seeing that this is something that we don't say anything, we don't get out there and do something, nothing will happen. so i was pleased, not only to see that we have a new president and a new administration and kamala harris. i have to always say kamala harris, because i don't think we even hype that up enough and understand the level of what that is. but also on top of that we have

historic levels of engagement that we have to maintain if we want to see a long-term transformation. >> latasha, the fact that black voters came out in force for biden is more notable when you think about the barriers to actually voting, to getting there. we saw long lines, huge delays in the postal service, trump's false claims of the voter fraud. >> i want people to understand how extraordinary it was for the black turnout, that in spite of it, it wasn't the black turnout, i've heard a lot of messages showing this shows the strength of democracy. no, it was a demonstration of strength of people, and people who are determined and resilient and decide they're going to operate in their agency. we saw black voters, in spite of the voter suppression just in the state of georgia. we had to file a lawsuit where

the secretary of state dropped almost 200,000 voters saying they had moved when there's no evidence that they had moved, that were not allowed to vote in the last election cycle unless they reregistered. we're seeing from the voting rights act was gutted, you know, what we know is there was an enormous amount of vote polling sites that were closed. it's been an ongoing attack on the enfranchisement of black voters. what we have seen since ariefg on the shores of america that we are resilient people. that we will constantly rise above what, some of those levels of oppression that we've seen, right, it still doesn't mean that it's not difficult. it still doesn't mean that we shouldn't actually, we spent an enormous amount of time addressing voter suppression. if we are in a democracy, let it be real. i think it's really poetic that in a moment at ground zero in

georgia where we witnessed black voters disenfranchised, that those very voters were the ones that were dependent on, could we protect democracy for all of us. >> i want to ask you, you know, trump's claims of a stolen election ended in the deadly capitol riots with the confederate flag flown in the halls of congress. do you think moment is one of actual progress, give and what we've seen, given the craziness of everything, is it a moment of progress? >> i have to, for my own sanity believe that when we move forward it counts. that when we rise above the limits that america sets on us and bring america with us that that is progress. it doesn't mean it's progress that maintains itself on its own. it doesn't make the progress inevitable, and i like what

latasha said. it's not just democracy. it's people. and when we fully breathe in to that word and accept it, democracy is people. it's people power. and so it's not a distant institution that just succeeds because you said it should succeed. if democracy succeeds, it's because people power it. and so america's persistent hesitance, resistance to its own manifest destiny to freedom, to democracy, a country that's allegedly the oldest democracy in the world, but for most of that time did not legally allow participation from most of its members, that's a twist. that's a trick. and it's painful to see the innovation in anti-democracy, and the use in particular of black people to drive that point home. this country is willing to hurt its collective self to make a point of hurting us in particular. so i think it's important for us to always acknowledge that

that's what's going on. that this isn't very new. while we don't get stuck in just the despondency of that acknowledgement. and yes, we should celebrate the progress but we should remind the whole nation and our sieves selves that it's people progress. >> one of biden's biggest talking points is the call for unity. can and should unity be the priority after last year. what change needs to happen first before we move on and there's any talk of unity? >> well, the priority should be treating each other as if we're human beings. there needs to be a reassertion through policy of humanity. and i think that's a collective call. we've been caught in rage. without some level of unity,

we're going to become more and more less human. we're going to become something that is not really what democracy is about and not really what life is about. so i believe that unity should be the end result of policy that's rooted in the affirmation of our collective humanity. and that's something that when we look at it, and we speak the truth about that, and we look at each other and we understand, wow, did you see what happened it he capitol, look what happened in katrina in new orleans. we have seen this sort of thing that leaves black people in the dust. it leaves many people of all classes and all races in the dust because of a lack of assertion of humanity through policy and people just say okay, well, the money's coming and okay, well, the votes are coming in, no, let's actually look at it. now we're seeing it's tearing our country apart. and it exceeds far beyond us as a people. look at the climate. look at everything around us. look at where we are. this is where we are right now. so let's accept the fact that

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here, the vaccine rollouts is unequal, too. nbc news now correspondent priscilla thompson dives into this ugly, complicated history. >> reporter: for some in america, it has been difficult to understand why many black people don't trust the covid-19 vaccine. >> the health care system that is untrustworthy and has been for african-americans for, since the inception of this country, that's something that most of us, including myself, were taught as young children. just because there's a vaccine, there's a pandemic, and you want everyone to take it, you can't flip the switch on that quickly. >> reporter: that distrust is rooted in a history of racist health care practices that are often epitomized by one example.

the tuskegee syphilis study. >> they were not told they had syphilis. then when penicillin came out, they were not allowed to get the penicillin for treatment or cure. >> reporter: for 40 years, the federal government deliberately withheld treatment for syphilis from hundreds of black men in alabama. allowing them to go insane and even die. one of those men was freddie. >> what was so terrible about that was first of all, they were not told that they were being studied. >> reporter: the study ended in 1972, only after "the associated press" broke the story, prompting public outrage. before that, there was j. marian simms, an american physician hailed as the quote father of modern gynecology. >> he developed this technique by experimenting on enslaved

women without an anaesthetic. until recently, theres with a strat u of across the central of park. >> reporter: then there was the case of cells harvested for medical research without her knowledge or consent. the results in hela line of cells, her family went decades without knowing about the research or receiving compensation or an apology. these examples are throughout our history. targeting poor women, and women of color and studying the impact of radioactive materials in the human body. >> and these stories get told and retold in beauty salons and black churches. and the thing that gives them staying power is that people have similar experiences with the medical system in their every day lives.

>> so there's always that fear like we go into the hospitals, go into the doctor's offices. you don't get the same treatment oftentimes as our white counterparts of. >> reporter: daloris williams was hesitant about getting the vaccine at first. >> i've heard of too many horror stories of people just going to, let's say, just a regular physician for a checkup. they're being rushed through the process. the physicians aren't really listening to them. they send them out with, take a tylenol or aleve, and eventually, it turns into something sometimes, you know more serious than that. >> reporter: williams ultimately got her vaccine, an important step in an effort to start a new chapter in the relationship between public health and the black community. >> here to discuss infectious disease physician, dr. davis. host of the podcast how to

citizen with baratunde thurston and malcolm kenyatta. thank you all for joining us. dr. davis, i want to start with you. addressing vaccine hesitancy in the black community is a passion of yours, and you have real-world experience with your role on the st. louis board of health. given everything that we know about where we've been, how should public health officials be talking to the black community right now? >> well, first of all, i think that it's essential to acknowledge that this has happened. i don't know that i've heard that enough in communities and certainly not at the highest levels of leadership. apologizing. and then being thoughtful about who trusted messengers in our community are. this message is not one that will even be accepted, even after an apology and after that

sort of acknowledgement. we have community leaders who are on this panel today, who have done this work in their communities, who have the trust of their communities and who should be sponsored with actual funding and policy to support the education they need to do and the leadership around vaccine administration. >> baratunde, the biden administration, how do you want to see them tackle the toll we've seen this pandemic take on black americans? >> i, first of all thank you for having me. this is the blackest panel i've been on in a long time. these names are amazing, i love all of us. as far as what i would love for this task force and administration to do, i'd follow the doctor's lead on this. acknowledgement is an important part of the process, an essential step in the process. and there's a lot of talk of

healing going on, but there's no healing if you don't acknowledge the harm that occurred in the first place >> your city of philly helped biden win pennsylvania. how do you want to see him deliver for black folks there, especially when it comes to handling the disparities we've seen with the coronavirus pandemic. >> thank you so much. the package you saw with dr. san sanford, we have the doctor talk about it, spent months while a vaccine was being developed and tested, doing town halls, having conversations, trying to engain people in the community who not only are distrustful and mistrustful, but it's based in something real, rite? i think sometimes people are acting as if this is an abstraction. no. it's based on something real, it's based on something that's ongoing. what's so frustrating to me as a legislator is that in the beginning of this pandemic we saw the reports that black and

brown folks were getting this infection at higher rates and dying at higher rates. and now, as there is a vaccine that could protect people, of course the same group which has hit first and worse is now somehow at the back of the line. and so, you know, it's a part of the reason here in philadelphia, myself and many of my colleagues, you know, has called for the removal of our commissioner of the department of health, who's absolutely, you know, failed in this account, philadelphia is a black city, pretty black city. only 14% of black folks have been vaccinated at this point. that metric is unacceptable. >> dr. davis, racial disparities are at work as we make our way out of the pandemic, too. vaccine hesitancy aside, black people also face barriers to actually getting the vaccine if they want it. what are those barriers, and how should public health officials address them. >> this has been a point of great frustration for me.

we are quick to talk about vaccine hesitancy and the past, which must be done, but this is not happening in isolation. there can be two very real things going on here. one is a group of people that are valid in their mistrust of government and scientific communities, based on this abhor the, abhorrent history of misuse and abuse towards them, towards our bodies, towards our people, right? but we also have a large group, a large group of people in our community that want these vaccines. and who once again are being left behind. the administration of vaccines in our community is woefully inadequate across the country, and i think multiple things are happening here. number one, we have had a lack of leadership, federal leadership from the beginning of this pandemic. we should not be at this point a year out. so that has left states and local communities to figure out how to do this, really, with their hands tied behind their

back. now we have an administration that has put as one of their cornerstones, racial equity. we need funding. we have been told that funds will be procured from the defense fund, and that needs to happen. because our communities can administer these vaccines. the community organization cannot do this without funding. it's more about, it's more than just vaccine. we need vaccinators. they need to be trained. you need the resources and places to store these vaccines safely. you need protocols that exist to do this, where there's two shots and coordinate for people to come back. this needs to happen with a better effort. access is very real. as we've heard today on this panel and must be addressed. >> the needs are great with little time to spare.

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our nation's politics than any woman ever. it's a moment made for the history books. a black and south asian girl dreamed big, so big she couldn't be contained by anyone else's expectations. not about what college to attend or what career path to follow or how she'd use her power in a criminal justice system that so often devours people who look just like. or the kind of politics she'd embrace or the heights those politics were take her. prosecutor, attorney general, senator, vice president of the united states. >> so help me god. >> kamala harris, the daughter of an indian mother and jamaican father, raised in the cradle of the bay area, who grew roots in black culture at the historically black and exceptionally proud howard university, would decades later emerge in this moment as a

beacon of progress. >> i'm most excited about the first black woman vice president of the united states. >> and she's part of an administration that has made racial healing and reconciliation a centerpiece. but these are uncertain times. and if this moment and her story were made for history, then history might warn against any sense of solace in symbolism. >> these are americans! look at the flags. >> a form of weaponized and politicized whiteness, domestic terror, political upheaval and right wing populism. this kind of clap back has almost always followed racial or social progress, especially black progress. at nearly every turn where this country bent toward truer freedom, there was a vicious response. emancipation and reconstruction were followed by a period known as redemption and the rise of

the klan and or organizations. the civil rights movement was met with church bombings and assassinations. and in most recent years, the election of president obama instituted a spike in gun sales and gave rise to donald trump who wielded white grievance and insecurity like a cudgel and whose followers marred the transition of power with death and violence. if past is pro logue and history is our guide, can this country defy expectations the way vice president kamala harris has her entire life? for more on the significance of this moment, let's bring in motivational speaker and host of the podcast "on the move", mike africa jr.

and chock way antar manunba. kamala harris, a huge sign of progress, but does her election move the pin of progress? >> thank you for the opportunity to join this conversation. i think kamala's election is a seminal moment in our history, in our struggle as a people. i think it's also a moment where the nation is taking witness of what we've always known about black women, the grace, the power, the ability to make something out of nothing, that they've always, always displayed in our history. but i would caution us to become, in becoming too intoxicated in this moment, much in the same way we learned after the election of obama that the oppressive forces that don't

want to see those type of sim nal victories take place, they don't retreat and go into the shadows and say well, they've won. we've seen history move forward. and so we no longer need to voice our objection. and so we see a reaction to these type of seminal victories. and so we should anticipate that going forward. >> you and your family understand the cultural system intimately. kamala harris made her name in a criminal justice system. after the death of george floyd she did co-introduce legislation to reform policing. but what do you make of the space the vice president occupies as a black woman in the justice system? >> i think when people become politicians like this, they have to be careful they don't become the house negro. my fair has a statement just

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i want to bring in latasha brown. obviously, kamala harris broke through this glass ceiling in some ways, but is this a moment of real racial progress, certainly as a woman, but given her past as a prosecutor, and all skin folk ain't necessarily kinfolk. what do you make of this moment? >> i think this moment is a great moment of opportunity. i think the fact that she was a prosecutor and knows the system, this is a moment that we can see transformance of leadership. this is a moment that the recognition of president biden with all the harm that was caused, with the crime bill, what we need is a, we need a complete reformation of the criminal justice system. i think kamala harris could take her experience as a learning lesson, this mandate of

literally putting them in office as an opportunity completely restructured, criminal justice reform in this country that we actually are leading from a place of justice and that the importance of humanity and not just a punitive environment. i think this is a tremendous moment of opportunity. the question is, is the administration going to take advantage of this opportunity they've been given by the people. >> given your experience in office, how can the action we saw in the past year transition into policy, and who moves politicians more, protesters or voters? >> i think this moment really signifies that the community still has a role to play. that our activism doesn't end at the ballot box. it doesn't end when we have demonstrations on a few days, that we have to continue to be engaged, and, as we're talking about kamala harris. as we're talking about the biden administration, our responsibility is to hold them accountable continuously.

there is, as brother africa said, there is much to be proven, but it is our responsibility to hold them accountable and charge them with the responsibility of seeing the change we want to see, when we look at the know that there is dependence in this nation in our criminal justice system. that it's not just a matter of wanting criminal justice reform. we have to recognize that we have economic dependence on our criminal justice system. look at all the people that our criminal justice system pays. it pays the lawyers, it pays the judges, it pays the law enforcement, and we have more law enforcement today than we've ever had in history. we have our city police and our county police and our state police and our federal police and our secret police and our secret police who watch the secret police. >> in this moment as we ask the question, what is owed to black america in terms of moving forward? is it too early, too soon to talk about this idea of reparations? i know conservatives certainly

don't want to have that conversation. liberals are saying let them get in office and settle first. where do you all stand on this real of substantive conversation on reparations for descend ants of enslaved people? i want to start with you, latasha. >> i think the conversation about reparations is 200 years too late. at the end of the day, we should have been talking about it. to actually say, oh, we have to find the right time. when is the right time for justice? the truth is there was an atrocity that happened to african people in this country. america stands as the wealthiest country not because of free labor and exploitation of land, but also the value of how they use and mortgage black bodies to actually underwrite the stock market. so i think that when we're talking about the conversation of reparations, it is always the right time to talk about reparations. it is always a right time to talk about a community that has contributed to the foundation, economic foundation of this country, yet continues to lag

behind in every single category because of structural racism has been built in, exploiting our bodies, exploiting our labor and not recognizing our humanity. >> mike? >> i 100% agree. why should we work and not get paid? we're talking about moving things forward and getting to a place of equality and justice. how is it possible that we can work and be the ones who built this country and not even get paid for it? and we're the ones living in poverty and we're the ones that are stuck in these prisons disproportionately. we're the ones that are high risk for covid because we don't have the proper treatment because of health care not really supporting us. i 100% agree. we should get paid for the work we've done. mayor lamumba? >> i would agree with my panelists. this should no longer be a conversation. action should have ensued long ago. i would caution that as we look at the structure of reparations,

that we have to keep in mind that reparations doesn't look like gaining entry into the house of your oppressor, it looks like owning your own house. it looks like how do we build self-determined communities and build means of producing not only wealth, but recreating and building culture. and so, you know, i think that that is a part of the conversation that is also lacking and also absent when we have these type of conversations. >> the last question i have for you obviously has been a substantive kind of heavy conversation, conversation we wrestle with in our communities and households every single day. but i want to ask each of you, what do you find hope in at this moment? is there something that gives you some hope we might actually be okay? latasha? >> ♪ well, the first thing i did right was the day i started to fight ♪ ♪ keep your eyes on the prize and hold on, hold on ♪ >> any time people operate in their agent and i we stand in our gifting and we stand for

what we know is right, that is progress. that the progress is people are really organizing ourselves, organized power realizes power. what gives me hope? the people of my community. that's who gives me hope, humanity. >> mike mann, i'm not going to ask you to sing, but what do you find hope in in this moment? >> i agree with her totally. community is important. i was born in prison, my parents were 40 years in prison. i watched the smoke from the bomb that dropped on my family and 11 siblings. the members of my family, the activism community. i have hope in us. that's what i have hope in. >> mayor lamumba? >> what gives me hope is the greater organizer of all time is oppression. it is oppression that gives clarity to our people, and we see the type of organization, the type of activism that we're

seeing from young people. and i believe this is a moment that we have to take it from its mystical mysterious place and organize. but seeing young people take it, you know, take their issues to the streets, take their issues to the halls where elected officials sit and challenge them gives me hope. every modern movement of change has been led by young people and so that's what encourages me. >> mike africa, junior, latasha brown, mayor lamumba, thank you so much for joining me. >> thanks for having us. >> thanks for having us. and now get netflix on us. plus, switch and get a free smartphone for each line. ♪ hey now, you're an all-star, get your game on, go play ♪ ♪ hey now, you're a rock star, get the show on, get paid ♪ ♪ and all that glitters is gold ♪ get 5 boneless wings for $1

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