hi, everyone, a country inundated by news from the new president about the safety, efficacy and growing abundance of vaccine supply, has been largely in the dark about what being vaccinated means. into that void, the propaganda and that unholy alliance against publics safety measures, such as this mask burning bonfire in idaho. the most alarming, the children there. vaccinated people can, according

to those new guidelines, attend gatherings without masks or social distancing in homes where all people are vaccinated, or in a single household where unvaccinated people are not at high risk of developing covid. in gatherings of multiple households and among people at high risk. again, this is guidance for people fully vaccinated. that means they've had two doses of the pfizer or mona vaccine or one dose of the j&j vaccine, and they have waited two weeks. that guidance followed a long delay in which the cdc was urged to provide guidance that was practical for vaccinated people at a time with a country that is weary. here is michael osterholm yesterday.

>> we have to acknowledge that what is the public likely to do with any guidance we give them. if we just tell people they have to stay cocooned, they have to stay in their homes, they have to continue to wear their masks even though fully vaccinated, they're not going to do that. they're going to disregard the recommendation, so we have to get real. >> i think the cdc would say that's what they did. it lays out the specific scenarios, where they don't need to worry about social distances. there is caution still for anyone out in public. today's announcements seeks to persuade a public to remain vigilant as the country creeps toward herd immunity. here is dr. walensky. >> the pandemic still remains a very serious situation with most communities continuing to have high levels of covid-19 transmission. we are watching these things

closely, to think where the pandemic will head in the coming days. but i'm also hopeful. as of today, 59 million people in the united states have received at least one dose of a covid-19 vaccine, and approximately 31 million, or 9.2% of the u.s. population is fully vaccinated, putting us on a strong path to eventually end this pandemic. >> dr. walensky underscoring a certain picture of where the virus stands of a potential surge as states begin to lift restrictions. dr. oster holm adds -- >> we are in the eye of the hurricanes right now. it appears that things are going well, you see blue skies, we've been through a terrible year,

but what we know about to come upon us is this situation with the b.1.1.7 variant in the uk, really hitting hard. many of these companies have been in lockdown two months just to try to control the virus. last time i was on the show four weeks ago, the -- today that variant is up to -- you'll see cases surge, so right now we do have to keep america as safe as we can from the virus by not letting up on any public health measures, and we need to get people vaccinated as quickly as we can. >> guidance from the cdc is where we start today. dr. vin gupta is here, also

joining us is msnbc political analyst, claire mccaskill, and jonathan lamire. >> i want to start with you, doctor. s there was a lot of tweeting about this vac come, and a shocking and abhorrent video of mask burning with children throwing in their masks. it's the least invasive thing to protect ourselves, but the truth is the country has seemed to hit a bit of a wall, and i wonder where the motivation comes from, where the messaging should come from to get people to stay safe until it's their turn to be vaccinated. >> good afternoon, nicolle. you are touching on such a difficult thing to talk about, and to message on to a weary public. what i would say to all your

viewers out there is, we are a few months away from normalcy. it's happening. every forecast, even the one from my own institute, is suggesting that school is possible and very likely. the difference will be what is the loss going to look like by then? in the best-case scenario, we only lose 100,000, or could it be 130,000 souls we lose? that's the scenario if governors follow the lead of governor abbott in texas. that is, i hope, some motivation, number one, the quickest way out of this with the least additional loss of life is let's just mask. basic things we've been talking about. let's do those things. first, get the first vaccine available. what mayor mike dugan did in

detroit before walking it back, the notion that the johnson & johnson vaccine is somehow inferior, i worry that other officials will replicate that messaging. all these vaccines will keep you out of intensive care. one in two, if we can keep people's eye on the prize here, and focus on just basic infection control measures, get the first vaccine available as soon as possible, we're talking about minimizing additional loss of life. hopefully that's motivation enough. >> there is some precedent for more brutal blunt messaging. i live in morky the anti-smoking campaigns are gruesome. do you think it's time for the messaging to become more blunt? >> maybe it was two weeks ago, nicolle, you always showed the ct scans i post on social media, and i encourage anybody -- i will share it again.

i personally believe that we need to be blunt. i don't mean that we need to fearmonger here, but need to be blunk about what covid-19 does to the lungs. absolutely. i think there's room to be more blunt, to be clear about what these vaccines do and what they do not do. listen, nobody gets a vaccine to prevent sniffles. nobody gets a vaccine to prevent mild infections. we need to be focusing on what covid-19 does to the lung, show that in pictures, tell stories, and focus on that exclusively just like we did with the smoking campaign. claire, the damage that donald trump did by refusing to

model behavior has taken effect. i'm sure you see it where you live. president biden has done a remarkable thing in corralling supply of vaccine that is in another universe from where it was on the dog he was inaugurated. how does he implore the public and republican governors largely, to keep the public safety measures in place just a little longer to get more needles in arms. >> well, we know this for sure, politics and a deadly pandemic are a terrible matchup. that is what happened here. we had a president who was more concerned about his political future than he was the health of the people that he was supposed to be working for. you know, it reminds me, nicolle, of when you're running a race and all of a sudden you feel someone approaching you from behind, and in this case what's approaching us is a

couple things. one is the variant, and two is the politicization of wearing a mask and getting a vaccine. irony is the only thing we need to finish this race in a really healthy place, is masks and vaccines. i will give it to the biden administration, that's what they've been focused on. they want to keep it simple. they want the vaccines into as many people's arms, and we need more republicans doing more modeling. >> this guidance today, i think there's a lot of chatter in vin gupta's world, but we've all been peeking into these twitter conversations, that it came late. do you have any concerns or think already there's a bifurcated -- they'll take the

guidance, and whoever are listening just aren't listening. >> no question. i had a daughter who drove up to missouri from texas not too long ago. she said it was remarkable watching where they would stop for gas and mask wearing. there was a direct correlation between how safe she felt going in a gas station and the politics of that community. missouri, if you get outside of the major urban areas, you just run into a brick wall of distrust of scientists, the masks are a matter of personal freedom. nobody can tell me to wear one, and by the way, i'm not sure i trust your vaccine. >> i mean, it's just some sick bleep, jonathan, here, and when you look at vaccine hesitancy there's a historical reason for vaccine fear in the african-american community, but there's a fresh and political

reason for vaccine reluctance along the white republican men as showing in high numbers of vaccine reluctance. the biden administration seems to be acutely aware of this. they seems to be pushing out supply anywhere and everywhere. what is your reporting on the urgency they see? >> well, first of all, nicolle, think of the good that donald trump could have done had he taken his dough of the vaccine in public. >> yeah. >> instead of having it quietly released through an aide during cpac suggesting that the president and first lady mel lannia trump had the vaccine in january in the white house before he left office. donald trump is the forefront of an anti-science movement that has swept through the republican party. it's not a recent development, but it accelerated until trump. we know, of course, he's the one who disparaged the mask use. he played down how dangerous

this virus was. he had worn a mask faithfully, had he encouraged others to do so, had he not had the super-spreader events, things would be very different from the start. even then if he had used a vaccine as he's on his ways out of office, that would have done some good, too. the biden team, to your question, knows this exactly, which is why you're hearing president biden say repeatedly, even as he brings forth good news about vaccine supplies, he's still encouraging americans to wear a mask. today as part of the cdc guidelines, still vaccinated people who have had two doses or the necessary period weeks afterwards, in public wear a marv. that's still the messages, also to broadcast to others that that's what they're trying to say here. yes, at a certain moment the conversation will need to shift a bit more to have a ---ed biden team is aware of that, too, but

but we're not there yet. with the variants and other concerns, right now is still a time for cushion, still a time to be careful, even as the vaccine distribution increases. >> dr. gupta, can you take us behind the numbers? is the other thing that contributes to this disconnect between the public health messages and what they report about the view from the white house, i think what the public caesar numbers on a real downward trajectory, and there's message that a lot of americans have been fully vaccinated. can you take us behind that number? do you think people are getting tested lest? do you think this talk of a possible fourth surge is inevitable? or is it based on the sort of where the vaccination crosses the spread of the variants? can you just explain that for us? >> yeah, absolutely. so let me take a step back. there's a few variables that will matter.

number one, what does vaccination look like? we're based on 75% of surveys will accept the vaccine when they're offered it, hopefully by early june. we know seasonality is in our favor. they don't like hot, human air and that would be in our favor, so both of those will contribute to decreased case transmission. the variants, of course post some uncertainty, also inject some uncertainties. where are we headed? this is where the focus needs to be when we talk about true normalization of life, it has to be less on cases and more on hospitalizations and deaths look like. right now we're headed very much in a positive direction here. hospitalizations, deathing 480 in just the last 24 hours, remarkably less than four weeks

ago. those are the numbers. cdc clearly highlights transmission may still occur, this unknown carrier state. you don't even know it, because vaccinate may not protect against that, so really the numbers to pay attention to, all the viewers are what are hospitals doing and what are deaths doing. that would be the guide to really re-normalizing life. >> we don't have that data yet, because so few of our public is vaccinated. isn't there promising data off israel where the vaccines did seem to have an impact on their population? >> there absolutely is, nicolle. there is emerging data from israel and elsewhere suggesting the pfizer vaccine dim minute you should transmission by 90%, and the astrazeneca as well.

there's hope that you could be prevented from infection of any kind, which would be great news. >> the white house has been to be saying we know how it's going to end, but not when. his job approval rating of 60%. i don't think donald trump ever got near that. covid response of 70% t how do they sort of connection the passage of their relief package, which seems inevitable, the numbers out of israel that look like a promising perhaps omen of cutting transmission. how do they translate that into momentum? to keep this going. >> they feel like they're on the verge of it right now, that they expect covid relief bill to pass. it might slip to wednesday, but

then we're going to hear from president biden in a new way, a more forceful way than before. as we reported over the weekend. he is the one who has gone the longer without the first if you news conference. we anticipate that to change in the next week or two, as will a joint address to congress as part of the victory tour for this covid relief bill, and pushing for what's next, including asking americans to get their vaccine. this new round of -- this new blitz begins thursday night. he'll give his first primetime address to the nation, which will mark the one-year anniversary of the lockdown, the covid-19 lockdown. aides have suggested while of course it's a time to mourn and remember, it's also a step looking toward the future, looking towards what comes next.

this is a relief package that enjoys widespread support from democrats and republican voters alike, even if the gop lawmakers stood in opposition to it, and they feel like this will give them some wind at their back. they will have momentum from this victory, vaccination numbers will go up. they'll have virus case numbers go down, particularly once we clear this next few weeks, and they think they can move on to further things like infrastructure, jobs, voting rights. they do feel good about where they are right now, even as they acknowledge they're still in the middle of a crisis. >> it's a good point that they have also succeeded in this first sort of effort redefining bipartisan ship. they have a majority of republicans in the country supporting a package that they oppose in lockstep in congress. doctor, thank you for answering all of our questions. jonathan, thank you for the white house reporting.

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it obviously wasn't easy, it wasn't always pretty, but it was so desperately needed, urgently needed. when i was elected, i said we were going to get the government out of the business of battling on twitter, and back in the business of delivering for the american people, of making a difference in their lives, giving everyone a chance, a fighting chance of showing the american people that their government can work for them and passing the american rescue plan will do that. >> that was president biden touting the passage of the massive $1.9 trillion relief package through the senate on saturday, with the house possibly voting on the bill as early as tomorrow. the president is on the verge of his first big legislative win. "the washington post" describes

it this way -- with the massive price tag and major expansion of programs, it's set to county among one of the largest measures in history joins our conversation, transportation secretary, more than mayor of south bend, indiana, pete buttigieg -- i almost said mayor there. secretary buttigieg, thank you for spending time with you. there's a quote in "rolling stone" -- nothing i love bringing more attention to an unattractive issue. so with the sewage analogy in our minds, talk about making governing great again. >> well, from the infrastructure

perspective, it is things that might seem unsexy at first, but are incredibly important. another phrase -- maintenance backlog. doesn't sound too exciting, but i'm talking about the investments we need to get our bridges and our roads and other infrastructure assets, even or ports and railway into the right kind of shape. you know, society of civil engineers put out the report card. we got a lot of cs and ds, in the united states of america, on the country of our critical infrastructure. even just taking the funding we're going to need to fix what's broken. look, i'm a former mayor, which means one of my greatest enemies and frustrations is the common american pothole. we have to do more to improve our roads. we can also talk about the really exciting more future-oriented things around electric vehicles, around potentially high-speed rail, any

number of things that americans are excited about, but all of this is academic if we don't get through this crisis. that's the priority. >> we know jen psaki talked about how addressing inequities would be at the center of every policy. there's privileges involved to having an alternative transportation. talk about how that plays a role in policymaking, and making public transportation safe from covid. >> simple example, and again something that's at stake right now, you know, it includes dollars to make sure we support our transit systems which are hurting to the point they may not be able to keep it up without help, because so many people weren't able to ride,

weren't contributing fares during these lockdowns. what that means is a lot of people are cut off from opportunity. those who rely on transit are disproportionately likely to be americans of color. that's just one example how equity comes into play in transportation policy. another example, again it's related to transit. highway versus historically disproportionately gone through the majority of black and brown neighborhoods. highways also include a lot of air pollution. it's one of the many reasons why rates of asthma, and even vulnerability to the worst consequences of covid-19 are more likely to happen in communities of colors. so first we make sure vehicles are cleaner and greener, and make sure that people have better options to transit. these are choices we can be making better in a country that frankly has a lot to answer for

in terms of how we made the choices around, around who gets the transportation investment in our past. >> is your workforce going through whiplash? infrastructure week became the butt of jokes by republicans and democrats for years. >> our workforce is full of phenomenal career professionals. a lot of them are transportation nerds like me, and they come in day in and day out focused on the to -- a lot of parts of the department did not get support for years. we have an office of civil rights that is working on things from training around issues of bias so that we're all well trained on that as a workforce, to making sure that there's responsiveness whenever there's a problem with a project complying with civil rights law. when i arrived, i found that

hiring has not kept pace in that office. they are phenomenal people, and we need to make sure every part of the office gets support. this is not the first time the administration has come to washington with high expectations around big things. that's how infrastructure week became a punch line. folks got their hopes up and it just didn't happen. i think this could be an infrastructure year, giving the level of energy and enthusiasm that exists in the country and on both sides of the aisle here in washington to actually get something done. >> two more things and then a i'm desperate to bring claire in. your predecessor is under investigation elaine chao, and the watch dog asked the justice department to criminally investigate elaine chao over concerns she misused her office when she was -- when she had the

job you have now. that request was rebuffed. the justice department's criminal and public integrity divisions declined in december to take it up. i wonder if you have any update on that investigation or request for an investigation and prosecution? >> i don't, by design. that inspector general office is independent, as it should be. that was a process that started before i got here, but what i know that i'm responsible for is the ethics compliance, and more than compliance of being absolutely squeaky clean in this department every day i'm in this office as secretary. my very first day of work, one of the first things we made sure i got was an ethics briefing to make sure we understood not just what the law requires of us, but how we go above and beyond. i'm going to see through it throughout this department, in a department that's trusted with

other people's money and with people's lives, that we're doing everything right. i want to ask you about joe manchin. he has head the process muck bipartisan in the policymaking, he will only be on board if that is the case. i wonder what role you could play. i had the job during the bush years of being in touch with john mccain. he was sort of the joe manchin of the bush years. he was a person in our own party who was vocal when he disagreed. joe manchin seems to be carving out a role with that, and i wonder with your fluent sit, i wonder what role you could play. >> as you know, that's the

president's approach as well. it's worth noting that the first two oval office meetings that i participated in on the subject of infrastructure, both of those were meetings with legislators from both sides of the aisle, one with senators, one with house members. there will be more with that, and i'm happy to be on the phone with anybody from our party or the republican party who has ideas on how make sure that america has great infrastructure. i really believe this is a bipartisan cause. we have learned from the american rescue plan that something can be abundantly by partisan and that's not always reflect odd capitol hill, but i do think our starting point has to be the idea that he people from both parties want this. >> secretary pete, let me first ask, is it okay if i call you secretary pete? >> absolutely.

continue. >> it's great to call you that, by the way. let me follow up on that question about joe manchin and bipartisanship. as you know, we have one more opportunity this year to use reconciliation, only one more chance to get something big through with just democratic votes. that decision is a very big one for the biden administration. if you think about the bipartisan support for infrastructure, an argument can be made you shouldn't use it for something so wildly popular as investment in infrastructure. so here's the tricky part. do you start big, huge and work back to something that's achievable with votes from both sides? or do you start closer to where the republicans want you to start in order to ensure that you don't look like you have sold the farm in order to get bipartisan support? >> look, we have big ideas, big vision, and i think, again, the

american people have a big ambition in terms of what we can do. frankly, the word "big" applies not just to sizzling things for the future, but just fixing what we've already got. we have to think big, but i don't think that has to be inclusive of the idea of bipartisanship, the things we can achieve through the regular processes. i don't want to get ahead of ourselves in terms of any legislative strategy. gin right now the biggest legislative strategy i'm thinking about is making sure we have left nothing to chance, but i do think or starting point can be the fact we want this, american wants this, reps and democrats want this, there's got to be a way to come together. we'll do everything we can in good faith to have ideas from both sides of the aisle and to bring everybody along.

>> thank you, secretary buttigieg. we're going to dip into the president's event. let's listen in. >> -- she gets it done. lt. general richardson's parents were proud patriots, and must have rubbed off, because lt. general richardson, her brother and sister all joined the arm. her father encouraged her to join rotc in college, even though that meant commuting to a different school. women we are banned from flying attack helicopters when she joined. she flew in support of combat missions, and conducting lift operations with the so-called huey, and the black hawks. now, as a commander general of the united states army north,

lt. general richardson join sees ground operation here in north america. all over the last year that's meant getting military medical personnel deployed to help with our response to this pandemic. more than 4,500 military medical personnel deployed across 14 states and the navajo nation to treat patients. it means more than 2,200 medical personnel are working or soon will be at vaccination sites in eight states and the united states virgin islands. i'm so proud of the incredible work that lt. general richardson and her team have done to support the american people here this year. they're warriors, they're crisis-tested commanders, the best of all -- but best of all, they're not done yet. these incredible generals are

not resting on their laurels or stars. they're using their voices to actively change policies in the military to make it easier and safer for more women not just to join the military, but to stay in the military and to thrive. i'm incredibly proud that in 2015 under the obama/biden administration we took the final steps to open up all positions in military to anyone qualified to serve in them. the women who join today in this military are not told no when they apply to flil fighter jets or helicopters just because of their gender. they aren't told no when they want to apply to ranger school or infantry officer basic training, but they all know there's much, much more work to be done to ensure that women's leadership is recognized and we

had more diverse leaders, we reached the top echelons of command for all who are qualified, including all women, all women. and that all women feel safe and respected in our military, period. you know, some of it is relatively straightforward work, where we're making good progress designing body armor that fits women properly, tailoring combat uniforms for women, creating maternity flight suits, updating requirements for their hairstyles, and some of it is going to take, you know, an intensity of purpose and mission to really change the culture and habits that call women to leave the military. women are making sure more diverse candidates are considering -- being considered

for career advancing opportunities at every single level. that women aren't penal iced in their careers for having children, that women aren't just token members, but integral parts through all branches and divisions and they can completely fairly engage in promotion, compete all across the board, including on age and gender neutrality and physical fitness tests. you know, both members of the military couples can thrive while serving, like lt. general richardson and her husband, lt. general richardson, who i might add, i want to thank for getting me off a mountain that was about 12,000 to 14,000 feet up on a goat path when our helicopters went down in a snowstorm. it's good to see you, general. that ride down was more perilous

in a truck than a helicopter, but thank you. we want to take on sexual assault and violence against women in the military. sexual assault is abhorrent and wrong anytime. our military, so much of unit cohesion is built on trusting your fellow service members to have your back. that's nothing less than a threat to our national security. i know secretary austin takes this as seriously as vice president harris and i do. that's why this first memo as secretary was a directive to take on sexual assault in the military and why he's stepped up independent review -- he set up an independent review commission on sexual assault to make concrete recommendations for changes. this is going to be an all hands on deck effort under my administration to end the scourge of sexual assault in the military. we're going to be focused on that from the very top. i know that we can do it.

the u.s. military has defeated american enemies on land, air and sea, and this is not beyond us. i want to thank general and lt. general for their exemplary careers and their service to the country. it's the finest, undaunted, and absolutely able to do anything by any obstacle, determined to open wide the doors of opportunity and ready for the next challenge. it's might agree honor to serve as your commander in chief. i look forward to hearing your active duty and recommendations on how to work together to keep the american people safe, and meet every challenge in the 21st century. i want to thank you both. i want to thank the former general -- i keep calling him general, but my -- the guy who

runs that outfit over there. i want to make sure we thank the secretary for all he's done to try to implement what we just talked about, and for recommending these two women for promotion. thank you all. may god bless you all and may god protect our troops. president joe biden there appears, the event was to mark international women's day. let 'see if he's been taking any questions. that was president biden joined by vice president kamala harris and the secretary of defense, the president committed to end the scourge of sexual assault in the military. it was a ceremony marking the

nomination of two women to be appointed to position of four-star combatant positions. she was nominated by this president, supported under the last administration, but never brought forth, because they feared there would know be support. and also lt. general laura richardson, to mark international women's day. claire in? >> the thing that is -- i could really work up a head of steam about the notion that in this great nation, when women have made so many jib bugss in our military, that we actually had a reality that women who were deserving of four stars, women who had put up things that many men could not even begin to

handle, they were ready for leadership. they're the leader of the pentagon believed they were ready for leadership, and they had to play hide the ball because the president of the united states, the commander in chief was so unstable. they couldn't trust him. they couldn't rely that he would do -- on the fact that he would do the right thing and allow their promotions to go through. they were protective of these women's careers, because they knew they had a commander in chief that was a jerk. so it is really unbelievable to me that these women had to wait. thank goness they got this decidingation today. both these women are amazing and they will be amazing commanders. >> i don't want to incite you to blow up any more steam, but it's

important that we don't know what didn't go on in the pentagon. it's one of the most opaque institutions in the government by design. it is the institution most hardwired for complete demps to the commander in cheep, the chain of command, but the way the last guy corrupted the justice system in the mihm tear, you take the way he held back two qualified women from these nominations announced by president biden today, you take what we learned last week in the testimony about the role of pardoned felon mike flynn's brother in response of the national guard to the deadly insurrection on the 6th, and it feels like the place where this is the most to learn about the four trump years just might be the pentagon. >> well, and remember, the chairman of the joint chiefs put on a combat uniform to walk the

president over for a photo op, clearing in sometimes a violent way his past of peaceful and legitimate protesters. i mean, that was the moment i knew we were in trouble. that's when i knew we had gone wobbly. i can't imagine the chairman of the joint chiefs doing anything like that under a commander in chief. that's why they gener why these generals are so important. there are other reports coming out. we need to get these positions filled. they need to be filled with competent, strong, independent professionals, and we need to start paying attention to the work they do. they are the eyes and ears of the taxpayers in these agencies. >> i always think there was a reason donald trump got rid of the inspector generals, but the truth usually comes out in the end. thank you, clair, for spending this part of the hour with us.

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more members and beefing up intelligence for the capitol police and that the department was, quote, understaffed, insufficiently equipped and inadequately trained to protect the premises on the day of the riots and while general honore laid out a variety of options, republicans are skeptical of the report, accusing the general of partisan bias and have said they're worried that honore's recommendations would permanently turn the capitol into a fortress. let's bring into our conversation, jake sherman, founder of punch bowl news and our friend, msnbc national security analyst frank, former assistant director for counterintelligence. jake sherman, tell me why these findings and recommendations are being received in such a partisan manner when the reaction on that day wasn't. >> yeah, so, general honore had said some controversial, perhaps, things about republican lawmakers, perhaps not so

controversial to democrats but controversial to republicans. >> like what? like mean tweet kind of stuff? >> mean tweet stuff. and i think that caught -- it definitely caught kevin mccarthy's eye, who has told people privately not only does he not like honore, he does not trust his findings. i will say this, though, nicole, the findings are not terribly partisan. we've now seen the report, and it says we need two in the capitol, in this building where i sit right now, have about 500 to 800 more police officers, have fencing that can go up quite quickly, have a quick strike force that could -- that is going to be located close to the capitol to respond to incidents like this, so these are not -- i mean, these are not terribly controversial points of view that there needs to be way more money put into security and frankly, as we've seen, nicole, and frank can talk more about the law enforcement part of this, the capitol needs to be better fortified. that much is clear. like, we know what happened january 6th. i lived through it. every member of congress lived

through it. whether honore is a republican or democrat or indifferent about certain members of congress does -- shouldn't have any bearing on his recommendations for physical security upgrades to the capitol. i just -- it's lost on me how these could be misconstrued as partisan in literally any way, shape, or form. >> i mean, i think it's lost on everyone, frank, and i wonder if you could just sort of reattach the security conversation to the facts and the reality of the threat. >> yeah, look, we've managed to politicize a pandemic and now it appears we're going to politicize very simple recommendations to protect our democracy. there's a couple of things that jump out at me from what's said to be in this report, that i think i'll call painful truths, nicole. first, first painful truth, by virtue of the findings we now know that there is no quick reaction force to protect not only the capitol but the report goes further. the iconic symbols of our democracy in that acreage in

d.c., inside the beltway that houses the supreme court, the department of justice building, the treasury building, there is nothing to protect and repel an attack and we need to do that, and that force, that qrf, needs to go to those places on a moment's notice so i'm all in favor of that. the oh painful truth in this report is it's said to contain recommendations about background investigations of those who protect us so that we understand who's in the capitol police force, who's in the quick reaction force. that's where we are today. >> frank, i want to ask you about another headline, "the new york times" reported over the weekend that the fbi has found contact between the proud boys member and a trump associate. they write this. quote, a member of the far-right nationalist proud boys was in communication with the person associated with the white house in the days just before the january 6th assault on the capitol, according to law enforcement official briefed on the investigation. what does that tell us about how they're proceeding with the investigation and where it's taking them?

>> i have every reason to believe that within the scope of the fbi doj investigation of the insurrection is allegations and reporting that certain members of congress, lawmakers, or those in trump's circle were in some form of communication before and/or after the insurrection. that's within the scope of the investigation. there's other reports that geofencing warrants were applied for. that has to do with your cell phone pinging the tower at the capitol. so, you know, when you hear senators asking chris wray, the fbi director, pointed questions about, are you collecting cell phone data from that day? i'm concerned that those are suspects asking about their own phone numbers. >> jake, why did josh hawley ask about his cell phone data? >> well, there's frank's point of view, and i think there's also what his office and i don't know this because i haven't asked them specifically, i think they would say he's concerned about privacy and them obtaining information without warrants or, you know, i think that is what they would say.

but there have been -- there's been a lot of reporting, and this is not in relation to senator hawley, but there's been a good deal of reporting that some of these people who attacked the capitol were in touch with republican lawmakers in the house, so i imagine there's going to be a good deal of investigation into that as well. >> i said this in the last block. the truth will emerge. jake sherman, frank figliuzzi, thank you so much. the next hour of "deadline white house" starts after a very quick break. a very quick break. (doorbell rings) excellent as a local access show, we want everyone to support local restaurants. right cardi b? yeah! eat local! (trill sound) some say this is my greatest challenge ever. yeah! eat local! but i've seen centuries of this. with a companion that powers a digital world, traded with a touch. the gold standard, so to speak ;) managing type 2 diabetes? you're on it.

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i see these barricades coming up. i think maybe the system thinks that there isn't going to be justice and that there isn't going to be peace and they know it already, like the verdict is set. >> i think it's important to remember that our community is actively grieving right now. the trial's going to be traumatic for black people here and black people across the country. that reminder that these things

are still happening to us. >> hi again, everyone, it's 5:00 in new york, 4:00 in minneapolis, a city still actively grieving as you heard there. now bracing for more unrest. hundreds of protesters in minneapolis today as the murder trial against former police officer derek chauvin is now under way. chauvin is accused of killing george floyd after kneeling on his neck for nearly nine minutes. floyd's death inspired a nationwide racial reckoning, months-long protests erupted all across this country demanding justice, accountability, and an end to police brutality. and since that time, a new administration has entered the white house, ushering in a new era that recognizes the threat of systemic racism and promises to work to combat potential violence from racially motivated extremists and it is that new context where chauvin's trial is poised to be a significant moment for the country. from the "new york times," quote, trials and police killings are rare. this one comes during a seismic

shift in attitudes about race, racism, and policing sparked in large part by the video showing mr. floyd pinned underneath officers for more than nine minutes. the videos show him crying for his mother as onlookers pleaded with the officers to let him breathe. the landmark trial already having to hit pause today. the judge delayed jury selection at least one day while he waits to hear from an appeals court ruling on a possible reinstatement of a third-degree murder charge. right now, chauvin is charged with second-degree murder and manslaughter as the city awaits anxiously for a verdict, it's still reeling from the events of last summer. as "the washington post" reports, quote, it is the lingering wounds you cannot see that have kept this city deeply on edge nine months after it became the epicenter of a global movement for racial justice. the anxiety that stirs when a helicopter circles in the sky, the enduring tensions between the community and the police amid a spike in crime, the terror that with the upcoming

trial of former officer derek chauvin, the city could burn again, a fate the city is working to ensure does not happen again, 2,000 national guard troops are on standby, some businesses have been boarded up and government buildings are fenced off with barriers and razor wire and there's this from the "new york times." another concern for a city and nation already fraught with the heightened terror alert in the wake of the january 6th insurrection at the capitol. quote, there are fears that members of the same white supremacist groups that ransacked the capitol on january 6th might descend on the twin cities. a city and a nation on edge is where we start this hour with some of our favorite reporters and friends. kimberly atkins is here. "boston globe" senior opinion writer and lucky for us an msnbc contributor. also joining us, our friend the lerchd al sharpton, host of politics nation and president of the national action network and msnbc correspondent, our friend kyle perry who's covered the rise of right-wing militias,joining us for this conversation but we're going to start live in minneapolis with

our colleague nbc news correspondent shaquille brewster. take me inside what has happened, what the feeling is at the end of this long day, kind of back under the microscope of all of us, and what's expected in the days to come. >> reporter: well, nicole, i'll tell you here in minneapolis, you really feel a sense that the intensity is picking up. we know and we talked about the physical modifications that have been made that are apparent even behind me in the rows of fencing protecting the courthouse. the courthouse that is closed to the public at this point as those proceedings are under way. well, today, we also saw more sizable demonstrations, demonstrations that lasted through the weekend, and one thing that you hear from these protesters is that they believe it was their activism that helped lead us to this point where those four former minneapolis police department officers are all facing charges, one now under trial or going through his trial right now, and they say they want to keep up that activism as his trial continues, but you mentioned we're also dealing with some

delays and some procedural back and forth at this point over that third-degree murder charge. it's one of those things right now we're just waiting on the appellate court. the trial judge is saying he's going to go through with this process of finding a jury and seating a jury even as an appellate court waits but the state is asking that the trial be put on hold so there's some uncertainty there and that's something that played out throughout the day. the jury was supposed to be questioned and we were supposed to start that process today. that process has now moved to tomorrow unless we get something from either the appellate court or the state supreme court here in minnesota. but the bottom line is the intensity is picking up and many eyes are on what happens with this trial, nicole. >> and i know you have seen and spent many, many days and hours with the protesters themselves. do they seem aware of this news that the militia groups behind the january 6th insurrection may be descending on them on their city? >> reporter: i think, you know, when you talk to -- not only

talk to the protesters but when you observe these demonstrations, for example, the one that we saw that went around downtown today, you didn't see any counterprotesters there but what you did see is many of them had security. there was -- there were a few long guns that i did see, both yesterday and today. they're having that presence and that's something that you also get a sense of at the site where george floyd was killed, that 38th and chicago intersection. that's somewhere -- that's a place where many of the community members have taken it upon themselves to act as their own security. they go through, they have checkpoints, it's even sometimes hostile when members of the media go into that area because they're, in their mind, protecting that area and making sure that it's not infringed upon, so you do get that sense that there is some suspicion about outsiders, suspicion about people coming in, especially with the start of this trial that is not only bringing the presence of the law enforcement, not only bringing the large presence with members of the media, but they know it could be a source where people who want

to do ill will can also come in and use the trial as cover to get to harm. >> shaquille brewster, thank you so much for being there for us. jump back in front of a camera if there's anything that breaks in the next hour for us. thank you, my friend, for starting us off. rev, i want to start with you. i know that this family has been a family you've been close to long after the cameras left and stopped covering every day and i want to show you george floyd's brother on msnbc earlier today. let's watch. >> the protests have me feeling really great because i have people who feel the same way i feel. we all want justice. we all looking for a conviction. you've seen the video. my brother was tortured to death while he had a smirk on his face, and if you can't get justice in america for that, what can you get justice for?

>> rev, i'm sure you have a lot of thoughts on what the answer to that question is, but what is the impact in terms of a crime that took place on camera that we all saw with our own eyes? >> i think that the impact is that we all saw it with our own eyes and we saw it in a way that we had not seen it before. there was a tape of rodney king. there was a tape of eric garner. but this tape, nicole, happened while we were all locked down in a pandemic, and the actual kneeling on his knee was almost nine minutes. when you're hearing a man begging for his life, and i think the fact that everyone was locked down and watching the news, hoping the good news would come that we can go out and that the storm had passed over, the virus had passed over, and they were stunned. and i remember when i did the eulogy at george's funeral and asked everyone to stand for 8

minutes and 46 seconds and it was televised globally. i can't tell you the tweets that i got from people saying, i didn't get it until you made me stand up, reverend al, for 8 minutes and 46 seconds, because at what point does it not turn into willful intent? i mean, say he was angry and overreacted for the first two or three minutes. five minutes, six minutes, and you're still pressing down? it takes a lot of hate and venom and intent to do it that long, and i think that is what makes the difference. i stay in touch with the family. that's the thing we talk about all the time. you cannot justify the length of time that this man heard this man begging for his life and never, ever even paused to get up off of him. >> you know, kim, i think what the rev is describing was the horror that everyone felt watching. he was not just begging for his

life. he was calling for his mother, a grown man being tortured by a police officer calling for his mother. it was part of what led to a real surge, a real shift. i think 25% more americans identified themselves with and said they shared the aims that the black lives matter movement by this summer than did a few years earlier. i wonder what you make of the fact that the trial will take place after an election where a president and vice president and administration who has pledged to work with the protesters, work on that agenda, do you think that keeps some of the tension channelled, or do you think that makes it more urgent? >> well, it's clearly urgent. this is an urgent issue that has never lost its urgency, even when it did not have the nation's attention. what i fare is in the interim, between that rise in support for black lives matter and the subsequent installation of a

president who is prioritizing that, you also had an election in which the black lives matter movement was vilified again and support began to soften for it. they were used as a punching bag even having some folks nonsensically claim that the january 6th insurrection had something to do with black lives matter as opposed to the right-wing dangerous extremists who carried that out. so i think at this time it's important to bring this back to the fore, to let people know that there is still this urgency that is for everyone. look, we talk a lot about, and rightfully so, about the trauma that black americans suffer, not just in seeing this video -- these videos of george floyd and so many others killed at the hands of police but also the lack of justice that follows, a system that does not seem to have accountability for when black lives are taken the same way it is for others. so, this is important to that, to see that, to be transparent and to see if justice comes from

that. but it's not just black people who this is a part of. it's the people who make this system and really have to address the system that has this racism built into it and find the anti-racist solutions to stop black people from being four, five, six times more likely to die at the hands of police than for white americans. >> i mean, i think, kim, what you're describing is a point that shouldn't be rushed over. this is also holding a mirror up to the country. let me read a little bit from an editorial that underscores your point. this is from the "boston globe." we all saw the video of floyd's death, yet we've seen how white supremacy works in a society conditioned to perceive an officer's badge as an immunity shield. this truth will remain self-evident. chauvin won't be the only defendant in that courtroom. america itself will be on trial. kim? >> that's absolutely right, the

words of my colleague, renee graham. she hits it right on the head. we are going to see efforts to bring back every wrong thing that george floyd has done when nothing he has ever been accused of comes with the death penalty. we are going to see this effort to sort of stoke the same sort of divisions in this country when it comes to police, either if you want to call for accountability for police somehow you're labeled as being anti-police, and all the negativity that comes from that. we need to come together as a nation to find solutions. look, i've traveled to places like iceland where police aren't armed, and they're horrified at the way black people are killed by police. we're standing not just before ourselves as a nation but before the world to show that we acknowledge this problem. it's a human rights problem, and we need to address it and it starts with accountability and i think that's what's so many many

people are looking at this trial and hoping comes from it. >> cal perry, your coverage of the militia groups who made their presence known and who you -- i won't use the word infiltrated but you associated with, reported on them, you covered them, you got to introduce our viewers to some of the militia groups. they are not a monolith. i think some of them told you they were there to provide security. since that coverage, though, militia groups were largely behind an insurrection, an attack on the capitol. i wonder what your reporting on this threat that the militia groups associated with the insurrection may descend on the city as the trial commences. >> well, i think it's an enforcement question, and it's an enforcement problem. there are laws in all 50 states against these illegal militias, which we can start just naming extremist groups, and when it comes to minnesota, as is true in the other 49 states, those laws are just not enforced. go ask blm protesters what that

is like as they start to arm themselves. go ask the black panther party in kentucky what it's like for them to have to arm themselves, still be talking to the fbi on an almost daily basis as they have been for 60 years while white militia members, so described militia members, march past fully armed wearing uniforms. when it comes to minnesota, i think we keep our eye out for two groups. you have group number one like the three percenters, the patriot movement that was born out of racism because barack obama was black and was elected president. those groups could come out to show force. they could come out dressed in uniforms with their long guns. they will say that they are there to protect local businesses, to help law enforcement. well, kyle rittenhouse says he was there to protect businesses too. the boogaloo boys are pretty well known by federal authorities. they're well known in the state of minnesota. it was last may when we saw a

self-described boogaloo boy shoot an automatic weapon into the police station that was on fire in minneapolis. he came from texas. so, again, the question becomes one of enforcement. now, the fbi has stepped up in a big way since january 6th and what you see is these groups turning on themselves. whenever these groups start talking about informants, and these are highly paranoid groups, when i interviewed a militia member in kentucky, we found out later she had recorded the entire conversation. she had people filming us. this is how paranoid these groups are. when they start feeling like the group is turning on itself from the inside, when they start feeling like there are these informants talking to the fbi, they get nervous and start to go underground. the question is, why didn't that happen in the last administration, nicole? >> are they emboldened by their success on january 6th or are they on the run by the intensity of the fbi investigation into january 6th. >> the folks that i have talked to will indicate to you that

they're not on the run, but they're taking a more low profile stance. part of the problem here is in order to recruit, you have to be online, you have to be showing pictures of yourself standing in uniforms at these events. so i think while people are taking a minute, they're taking a beat, they're trying to figure out who inside their group they can trust, they are looking for a coming out party. the trial could serve as a coming out party. it has all of the elements that these groups like to take advantage of. the boogaloo boys, for example, their stated goal is a civil war. that is what they advertise to their members. they want to overthrow the federal government. a trial like this provides an opportunity for violence and may provide what they're looking for to carry out. >> rev, can you pull all this together in terms of helping me understand how the protesters, how the city, how they should be protected from these forces that cal is describing? and do you have confidence that this new administration and the fbi that's actively investigating these domestic terror groups is aware of everything that's planned for

the city? >> they must do everything within their means to contain these groups, to not disrupt in any way, shape, or form the protesters who have been very peaceful this weekend, today, the family, all of us that have people there on the ground have said that any violence would only hurt the chances of justice. the last thing you want in a trial is for people in a jury to feel that george floyd was violent and therefore they had to restrain him and they get that picture because his supporters are violent. you don't want to play into that, which means these groups that are on the other side, it is to their advantage to incite something that distorts the fact. don't get in the way of that tape. don't get in the way of projecting that this man did not in any way shape, or form

provoke what happened to him. and the government's job, both local as well as federal, is to make sure that those that come in with the intent to try to use this to relaunch their right-wing militia groups and relaunch this divisiveness are contained and held to the letter of the law. they know how to do it. they've done it when it's on the other side. they must do it in this occasion. do i have faith they will? i have hope. i don't have a lot of faith. >> rev, i want to ask you one more question about hope. do you dare to hope that justice will be served in this trial? >> i always have hope. i'm always ready for the worst, but i always hope for the best. you've got to keep going and saying, maybe this time it will work. and i agree with the editorial in the globe, america's on trial and i would hate to think that it is taken for granted that you can hold your knee on a neck for

nine minutes and somebody -- 12 people say, nothing illegal about that. they will normalize that behavior, and i refuse to believe that that's a given. i have to hope that this time we'll get it right. >> the reverend al sharpton, cal perry, thank you so much for starting us off. this really important conversation. i'm grateful to both of you. kimberly atkins is sticking around. when we return, reaction to that bombshell interview with prince harry and meghan markle conducted by oprah winfrey last night exposing allegations of institutional racism, systemic oppression, and the deep, emotional harm that it caused. that is next. plus, new york governor andrew cuomo is digging in, vowing not to resign in the face of new accusations against him. we'll tell you more about a significant move as well from the district attorney in atlanta in the investigation into donald trump's phone call asking georgia's secretary of state to, quote, find the votes to reverse joe biden's win there. "deadline white house" continues after a quick break. don't go anywhere. continues after a quick break.

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i just didn't want to be alive anymore. and that was a very clear and real and frightening constant thought. >> so were you thinking of harming yourself? were you having suicidal thoughts? >> yes. this was very, very clear. >> wow. >> duchess of sussex, meghan markle, revealing that life as a royal was so suffocating, so painful for her that at one

point, she contemplated suicide. that was just one of several explosive new details about prince harry and meghan markle's turbulent relationship with the british royal family that were revealed in a spectacular interview conducted by oprah winfrey. markle also said that family members expressed concerns about how dark their skin, archie's skin would be. at the same time there was a conversation about their son's status as a royal. listen. >> in those months when i was pregnant, all around this same time, so we have in tandem the conversation of, you won't be given security, he's not going to be given a title. and also, concerns and conversations about how dark his skin might be when he is born. >> what? and you're not going to tell me who had the conversation? >> i think that would be very damaging to them. >> it was the what heard all

around the world. joining our conversation, eddie gilad, chairman of the department of african-american studies at princeton university, kimberly atkins is still with us, and in london, nbc news senior international correspondent keir simmons. i have some more sound that i want to play for you but i want to start with eddie and kim on what was showcased, because what was showcased is probably something that is experienced all the time but what was the impact of this interview on this topic, eddie? >> well, first of all, it was revealing, nicole, and in some ways, how can i put this? it revealed at least to me that america's original sin is not ours alone. in fact, it's our inheritance. that original sin is that, you know, we believe that white people ought to be valued more than others. here, we see, right, in a very painful interview the duchess of sussex saying, in effect, that

race intervened, interrupted the most intimate spaces, determined who we love, how we love, if we can love, and this baby boy would have to bear the brunt of it. you know? it also reminded me of that moment, nicole, you remember that moment in 1988 when president george h.w. bush said to reagan, those are the -- about jeb's babies, the little brown ones. right? how race can intervene and interrupt the most intimate of spaces, that it's not just our sin. it's also theirs as well. >> kim, i want to read you some reaction from serena williams. she said, i know firsthand the sexism and racism institutions and the media use to vilify women and people of color to minimize us, to break us down, and demonize us. we must recognize our obligation to decry malicious, unfounded gossip and tabloid journalism. the mental health consequences of systematic oppression and victimization are devastating,

isolating, and all too often lethal. there's so much in here, but i want to unpack some of it. i mean, she's speaking to the weaponization of vilifying black women, using these press stories as weapons. that is happening to meghan markle, i think, in realtime this week. >> and it's been happening since her relationship with harry began. i mean, the "we" in what serena williams says and how we need to recognize this needs to, again, go beyond black folks, because black folks called this and recognized what was happening to meghan markle from the beginning in this -- and just incessant tabloid -- not just tabloid, even mainstream press depictions of her as some sort of destructive factor within the royal family as if this institution that has lasted all these hundreds of years can suddenly be, you know, torn apart by an american woman who

deigns to marry one of them. only now does she feel she's in a safe enough space to call it out specifically. even oprah explained her shock, not that this happened, not that there was concern about little archie's skin tone, but that meghan was able to say it out loud. that was the shocking part. now here it is. we have to be confronted. we're confronted with it and we have to address it, and eddie's absolutely right, this original sin, it traverses the globe, and it's something that black people everywhere have to deal with. >> and it's something, keir simmons, this is the harry sound that i wanted to play. it's something that harry spoke about as why he left the country. let's watch. >> did you leave the country because of racism? >> it was a large part of it.

i remember that the center body fund-raiser, one of the people at that dinner said to me, please don't do this with the media. they will destroy your life. this person is friends with a lot of the editors and others, and i said, just elaborate. what do you mean by that? obviously, i knew. he said, you need to understand that the uk is very bigoted. and i stopped him and i said, the uk is not bigoted. the uk press is bigoted, is that what you mean? he goes, no, the uk's bigoted. i said, i completely disagree. but unfortunately, if the source of information is inherently corrupt or racist or biased, then that filters out to the rest of society. >> keir, is that the reality of the source of information? >> reporter: i think there's a lot of reality there. listen, there's a famous british

constitutionalist back in the 19th century who said of the royal family, don't let daylight in on the magic, nicole. well, harry and meghan pulled a lot of daylight on the inside of buckingham palace and it didn't look very magical, did it? the reality is, some of this stuff is about the contradictions within the system. so, you know, a lot of what they were talking about was about class and the royal family is a very class-based institution where everybody has their rank. meghan talking about the simple thing of courtesying to the queen, all of this is about knowing your place, if you like. meghan, much more painfully talking about being in kensington palace and not being allowed out because of the headlines it might create. harry and meghan aren't allowed to get more headlines than others. there's also, by the way, with the british press, and with, actually, many aspects of the press around the world, that cynicism that even bad stories about meghan sell newspapers and get clicks, so the kind of media

in that sense win either way. i mean, i think that's a profound question that harry is raising about the nature of this institution. that is why potentially it's so damaging, aside from the racism accusation, which this -- which the royal family, that accusation is new to them in the particular form in which it was made this time, and no matter the fact that it was unnamed members -- unnamed member of the royal family that was mentioned, there will be mixed race couples, many, many, many, who will recognize that kind of thing being said about their children, their child or their some point to be child, if you like. so, there are some big questions that need to be asked inside buckingham palace there. i think one of the problems is that this furor we're involved in, can you really get the right answers? is it the right thing in the weeks and months ahead to search for who was this member of the

royal family or does that just make for more toxicity and more unhappiness? >> well, i would argue that it's already toxic and maybe disinfectant will clean it out and i just want to followup with you, keir. what is the speculation? i know that harry said it wasn't his brother -- it wasn't the queen or prince philip who said it. there's some speculation. i wonder if you could tell us what the speculation is there and is there any reaction to the interview from the royal family? >> reporter: yeah, look, i mean, no reaction from buckingham palace at this stage. they do tend to take their time over these things. oprah winfrey says she was told by harry that it wasn't the queen or prince philip. one of the issues, i think, for buckingham palace is, we do know the members of the royal family have made racist comments in the past. so, they can't simply come out and just issue a blanket denial on behalf of everybody. you'll just get into a back and forth about that.

i do think that what harry and meghan were trying to do was to get a conversation started beyond simply the question of individuals and while not trying to dismiss the importance of that particular aspect, but i do think there's a wider conversation that you have -- that they are kind of starting about what is the nature of this institution which has, you know, done britain very well in many ways and been very stable through some very difficult times but at the same time, it's very, very old-fashioned. >> keir simmons, eddie, kimberly atkins, thank you. the three of you are the only three people i wanted to have this conversation with. i thank all three of you for doing so. thank you. when we return, there are new allegations of inappropriate behavior against new york's governor andrew cuomo. but the governor is pushing back as calls for his resignation grow louder and louder. that story's next. louder and lr that story's next. an air force veteran made of doing what's right, not what's easy. so when a hailstorm hit, usaa reached out before he could even inspect the damage.

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in addition to reports of inappropriate behavior from the governor. addressing the matter on wednesday, cuomo said, quote, i understand that sensitivities have changed and behavior has changed and i get it and i'm going to learn from it. end quote. but with a growing number of allegations, several high-profile members of the new york legislature, including the democratic leader, the state senate have called for cuomo's resignation, raising new questions about how long the governor will be able to hold on to power in albany. joining our conversation, two reporters covering the latest developments of the cuomo story. "washington post" political investigations reporter, josh dawsay, most recently off the trump investigations, if you can just speak to this sort of feeling of a growing scandal, not one that the governor seems to have any handle on or has rounded any corner on and it seems that democratic lawmakers, at least at the state level, don't see that as the end game. they see this ending in his

ultimate -- ultimately leaving office. >> well, there have been new revelations every day, various women, various former employees saying that he treated them horribly, that there was a culture where young women were degraded in the office. one woman said inappropriate situations and frankly the number of men who also say they were treated quite dismissively and poorly by the governor, and you know, we reached out to more than 150 people for our story on sunday that had worked with him at hud and the governor's office and it was kind of a continuing culture in all of those places. what you're seeing right now is democratic lawmakers frankly not had the best relationships with cuomo was known to be aser basic and was temperamental and the chickens are coming home to roost, so to speak, that's what sources have told us, various allegations coming out one after

another about him, you're seeing people not really wanting to help and defend him. andrew's cousins, the legislative leaders there, you know, calling now for a series of his resignation. >> i want to read some of your reporting on the culture. you guys write this. what cuomo has touted as an aggressive style goes far beyond that. according to people who have worked with him from the 1990s to the present, many former aides and advisors describe to "the post" a toxic culture in which the governor releases searing personal attacks. some said he delighted in humiliating employees. "the post" reached out to more than 50 former staffers. most did not respond. among those who did, the majority spoke anonymously because they still fear his wrath and his power to destroy careers. it seems that that dynamic is

what is pent up. is that what you're finding? >> yeah, i mean, amy britain has done similar stories like this and said in her ten years as a reporter, she's never seen people so scared to speak about something that's in the workplace. we have a lot of people who have lived in fear of him for a long time and now they're saying more. >> the dynamic that josh dawsay describes makes the women who are speaking out, if nothing else, incredibly brave for doing so. let me read some of your reporting. nna liss served as a policy and operations aide between 2013 and 2015. she said the actions by mr. cuomo were unsolicited and occurred in the first year while she sat at her desk which was near his office in the executive chamber of the new york state capitol in albany. ms. liss recalled working at a reception at the executive mansion in albany, which is mr. cuomo's official residence.

mr. cuomo was in the living room on the north side and noticed ms. liss, she recalled. quote, he came right over to me and he was like, hey, sweetheart, she said, then the governor hugged her, kissed her on both cheeks and wrapped his arm around her lower back. they turned to a photographer that shows mr. cuomo's hand around her waist. >> yeah, i mean, she's the third former aide who has made allegations. we had lindsey boilen and charlotte bennett and they're describing inappropriate behavior in a workplace environment, and aside from the paragraphs that you read, he asked her if she had a boyfriend. he called her sweetheart. he kissed her on her hand while she was at her desk. and a lot of the -- some of the allegations mirror each other and she said that she felt at first that it was harmless flirtation but then she came to see it as patronizing and said

that it was inappropriate and reduced her from an educated professional to, i think her words were, just a skirt and i think we also similarly spoke to several current and former staffers, and they described an environment where a lot of this behavior was normalized. people were asking personal questions. the governor was touching, kiss, hugging, and women were made to feel diminished. >> khadeeja, if i could just ask you about what support the women say they had internally. we have some reporting from the "new york times," i think, last week that a chief of staff moved one woman. is there an allegation that people knew that this was what he was like and tried to make women more comfortable or was there denial? what are you finding from these women's stories happened to them when they complained, if they did? >> so, in this situation with ana liss, she didn't complain but she also didn't feel supported and i think that was something we heard was a lack of support internally. and i think we'll have to see -- and you're right, charlotte

bennett, she complained and she was transferred and there was an investigation that was done. and in the situation where we reported the story on saturday, ana was actually -- she came in to work for andrew cuomo through a prestigious fellowship that was tracking young talent but i mean, the government -- the culture at the place drove her away. >> khadeeja and josh dawsay, both of your reports this weekend adding a lot to our understanding of this workplace and this crisis. thank you both for spending some time with us today. when we come back, the district attorney in atlanta investigating donald trump's phone call, asking georgia's secretary of state to find the votes has added a top racketeering expert to her team. what that could mean for the prospects of prosecution. that story's next. prospes ctof prosecution that story's next. i'm greg, i'm 68 years old. i do motivational speaking in addition to the substitute teaching. i honestly feel that that's my calling-- to give back to younger people. i think most adults will start realizing

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here within my jurisdiction that may be criminal, and if that is the case, it needed to be investigated. >> that was fulton county district attorney fani willis on rachel maddow's show last month at the beginning of her investigation into donald trump's phone call to georgia's secretary of state, brad raffensperger. you know the one, where trump asked him to find the votes to overturn joe biden's win there. now thanks to an exclusive report this weekend out of reuters, we're getting a clearer picture as to just what they're investigating there. reuters reports that willis has hired an atlanta-based lawyer to join her team, a sign that racketeering may be a big part of the case against trump and has allies. joining our conversation, msnbc legal analyst, andrew weissman, former fbi general counsel. i think i have learned from you to follow the hiring if you want a window into where prosecution is going. tell me what this one says. >> well, georgia has really

ripped a page from the cy vance playbook, because in manhattan, cy vance hired both sti and accounting in manhattan they hired fti and accounting expert firm e ternl to the office. and a very well known defense prosecutor it help work on their donald trump investigation. and now in georgia you have an expert on charges. and rico is a way to look at various other charges in that you can bring individual charges and usually a much more serious charge. so that's what's going on. they are very curious.

whether they get to the finish line or not, we don't know yet. >> racketeering harkens back all the pop movies. i went back and watched all of them to flarz myself with all the terms being thrown around. what is a racketeering investigation and how does that call that we heard from our own ears where he's clearly telling the secretary of state to go find votes. he's clearly telling him to commit a crime. how does that fit into a racketeering probe? >> two points. one is racketeering although that statute came about because of organized crime problems in this country, it's now taken on a life very removed from that. and that you can. >> we're going to try to fix andrew's audio. i'm going to read from the reuters reporting.

this is from the reuters report that brought this story to our attention today. if she pursues racketeering charges, willis will need to prove a pattern of corruption by trump, alone or with his allies aimed at overturning the results to say in power. while racketeering is pursued by prosecutors in cases involving such crimes as murder, kidnapping and bribery, the statute defines it more broadly to include false statements made to state officials. andrew r you back? >> i am. fpz i am back. the point i wanted to make although all this occurred in the main case between donald trump and other people in the white house, and georgia officials, i would caution people that the case is not sort of deceptively simple. there may on the plus side be other calls that georgia is look

at. but also even the calls that we have all heard raises a possible defense for donald trump, which is that he was repeating what he had been told by various people in the white house. in other words, it's necessary for a criminal case. this is one where it's important to stay tuned. it's clear georgia take it is very seriously. but i think listening to that one tape and as bad as it is in terms of the conduct, whether it is criminal or not still remains to be seen. >> i think you just said we could be in a situation where he says i, i don't know, rudy told me that. thank you for spending the time with us. stay on this with your help. when we return, as we do every day, we'll remember lives well lived. we do every day, we'll remember lives well lived. ♪ ♪ (quiet piano music) ♪ ♪

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