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mouth about meghan markle and prince harry. his thoughts are almost too bizarre to believe, but we begin "the reidout" tonight with the question you've been asking that i'm sure you've been asking for an entire year now, when will we return to normal life? we have the first sign that some aspects of the pre-pandemic lives are on the horizon with the cdc giving the green light for fully vaccinated people to gather with other fully vaccinated people without wearing masks or social distancing. getting to see our loved ones again to share a meal indoors with grandparents, parents and friends is the best thing we've heard in a very long time. we're also seeing grim numbers that have haunted us all year with newly reported coronavirus and hospitalizations on the decline. the reason for this progress boils down to science in the form of three vaccines. the problem is there's a segment of the u.s. population that insists on rejecting science while clamoring that their so-called personal freedom means

more than the 530,000 americans who are no longer here. >> it was pretty natural to have a sensitivity to freedom-loving americans that say we'll do the right thing. we know what to do, just give us our freedom back and lift some of these mandates. we can't protect everyone all the time. >> it's time for us to break free from the cycle of failed experts and frankly unconstitutional orders. a year later it's time to retire or just ignore the control freaks. it's time to declare victory and move on. >> those people are not doctors, by the way. according to a new poll, 23% of americans say that they have suffered the death of a close friend or family member because of covid-19, and as we know, the deadliest year in u.s. history did not have to be so deadly and those lies that you just heard are now feeding a staunch resistance to the vaccine among the folks who watch and trust right-wing outlets like fox

news. according to a pew research poll republicans are 27% less likely to get or to have already received a vaccine compared to democrats. joining me now is dr. ashish jha and christina grier associate professor of political science at fordham university. dr. jha, the idea of masks and vaccines becoming a purely political thing s it hyperbole to say that we have half a million americans or at least that's part of the reason why we have half a million americans dead? >> joy, thanks for having me on. it's crazy. we have not politicized drinking and driving. we don't say, well, it's freedom. we have not politicized largely like wearing seatbelts. there is a set of public health things we do that are good for us and are also good for people around us and the fact that we have turned these things into a

political issue, vaccines, masks and basic social distancing is not just baffling, but you are absolutely right and it is contributing to so many unnecessary deaths and suffering in this pandemic. >> dr. abraham, you testified today about all of these realities. let's just look at some of the reasons and there's a pew research poll that says why americans say that they're not getting vaccinated. there's a concern about side effects which is a pretty big part of it. vaccines are developed and tested too quickly say 85% of people. they want to know more about vaccines and i've heard that from family and friends and distrust the system entirely which is weird. they don't get the flu shot, et cetera. one thing that we've notice side that's less and less true among african-americans and a majority of black americans say they do plan to get a covid vaccine or have already gotten one. how do you get around those

kinds of objections? >> yeah. i'll just say first and foremost, i mean, what was missing on that list is where are my vaccines? i haven't been offered a vaccine and that is what my community says every day in south los angeles, and i did not see that as a response in that pugh study. where do i park? i don't have paid time off. i don't have child care for my children. those are real reason, but that's not to be confused for hesitancy and that's the truth. there are real questions we all have about these vaccines, whether you are black or brown, white or yellow, these are new technologies. it is scary. we need to meet people where they are and we need to answer that medical health literacy question and we need to make sure that americans understand basic science and aside from that there are real issues and as dr. jha has today mentioned,

supply may soon outpace demand and so we will have to find those arms and we need to meet them where they are, engage them, answer their questions and gets them vaccinated if there are no contra indications. >> christina, while we see resistance among african-americans declining, you do still hear, like for instance a lot of chatter about the johnson & johnson, the j&j, vaccine. people feel that's the vaccine being pushed on black people, that's being pushed on the working class and that the elite vaccines are the moderna and the pfizer. like that kind of thing. we had in detroit a situation where initially the mayor was, like, don't send us the johnson & johnson, send us the good ones and the science says that isn't true, there isn't one better than the other, but there is some hesitancy. the hesitancy is not all gone. >> right. that's where we need to have a multi-pronged approach, thought leaders or people that are

leaders in their various communities to articulate the fact, right? and the facts are this. pfizer and moderna aren't the fancy vaccine and johnson & johnson isn't the ghetto vaccine that we've heard people talk about. the johnson & johnson is one shot and it is better for some populations like the homeless population that can't come back for the second vaccine or having doctors like the two here tonight and several other doctors especially doctors of color who can be leaders in their community and who can talk to deacons at churches, janitors at schools, who can get that message out. it doesn't just have to be celebrities. it doesn't have to be politicians. it can be regular folks who have the reputation and respect in their communities. if you belong to a church home or some sort of synagogue or a temple, whatever it is. sometimes that's just a regular, it could be a teacher and it

could be a housekeeper who is someone that the community respects and if they believe that this is something for their community, they are probably the best advocates for this, and i think it's about, joy, you've been saying this from day one. it's all about listening to the science and the facts so that people can make the best decisions for themselves and their families. >> indeed, you think it's scary? try covid. covid is terrifying. rachel maddow talked about the fact that her mother-in-law got the j&j. rachel maddow's mother-in-law got it and she's fine. the other thing i hear among people in my circle that was initially reluctant. i can't get at it. there's none left. you know, i heard dr. abraham say supply will exceed demand, but right now demand feels like it's really exceeding supply. >> yeah. absolutely. by the way, just a quick shout out to dr. abraham on that testimony today. he was unbelievable. so dr. abraham, thank you for

that. i was inspired by you, but let's get to your question, joy. it's so frustrating. states have made this so incredibly complicated for people. people are spending hours trying to navigate complex websites and it's unnecessary. we can make this simple and straightforward. i do think that we will have a point probably late march, early april when we will have plenty of vaccines, but we've got to make it ease per people and one of the ways you build inequity in this system is by making it complex and by making it hard and that's what a lot of states are doing and i think that's a huge problem. >> dr. abraham, per your testimony, can you talk a little bit about and it's important to notice, as well, what are people feeling like they can get back? here's what you can have back. is that message working when you're talking to people about getting vaccinated that these parts in your life can come back. >> i think it was very important

that i went to congress in person and this was essential, work-related travel and getting vaccinated and doubly vaccinated like myself means we get back to work. we get back to school and get back to loving our loved ones, hugging and kissing them and doing all of the wonderful things that we missed since before this pandemic began. there's still a lot we have to do and we need to get everyone vaccinated and i appreciate what dr. jha and what today's senate panel mentioned. there's still plenty to do right now and every one of those barriers must not stand in the way between people and their vaccines. not having an appointment, not having internet, an email address or a phone or a home address, those are not barriers that not getting a vaccine. we must figure out why those systems are in place and we must break those barriers down and that's what we're doing in south l.a. and that's why we're so effective. 52,000 doses into arms as of tonight. >> yeah.

congratulations on that, and christina, can you talk about it on the other side? because while we're having this conversation that's very positive and making people feel hopeful, in the other universe on earth two they're telling laura ingram, she is not a doctor, who is she to do that? they're putting people on tv saying forget everything, burn your mask asks do social distancing and just do what you want and governors also saying dismantle all of the restrictions. forget the cdc, just go wild which feels like it will kill more people and set us back and i wonder if you have thoughts about how people can break through the information bubble. >> joy, sadly, it's the politics and the partisan politics aren't following the science and so many republican governors are putting the citizens of their state in severe danger. we're seeing this texas is open for business and what does that mean for people who will sadly

follow a politician with zero medical credibility and not wear a mask and social distance and go back to business as usual without having been vaccinated and we might see spikes in particular areas even though vaccinations are getting into the arms of particular people, we are so far from herd immunity and we know that there are going to be certain stakes where there will be spikes and sadly, also, because the coronavirus is so odd. for some people it takes them out quickly and for others they have flu-like symptoms and for some people they didn't know they had covid. so you have republicans saying it's not that serious and not that many people have died and so politically, when you're trying to politicize something that should be based in medical science, it's really hard to combat that because we have so many levels of government who are competing for that, and for some people it is serious. no, it doesn't kill everyone,

but it could take out your parents or your grandparents or someone you love and we've seen that time and time again and we've seen many republicans saying i've lost loved ones and it's just a figment of the democrats' imagination to work against us. and we are still in the djt era of that. >> yeah. and a lot of these people who are saying that, these governors are getting vaccinated and trump got vaccinated. they're talking a lot of stuff, but they got their vks. dr. ashish jha, thank you very much, and the president tightens his grip on the gop urging the republicans to start sending him the contributions like a ratchet crime boss. >> tweeting out an image of a sex worker along with a white nationalist motto. america first. it's all weird and creepy and the ghost czar is not even

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trump is a lot like jesse helms and p.t. barnum. not exactly untrue. there is a dark side to the former president. for whatever magic that he sees it's really just open, goofy racism and corruption and while not making the republican party stronger, donald trump is definitely making it more like a family. though it's the kind where he might as well be considered the don. how else can you describe it when the florida retiree is threatening to sue his own party for using his name to fund raise and last night and again an hour ago trump said word to his maga devotees, that's a nice matter you've got there. if you want to see your party succeed, send your money directly to me. >> none of the money goes to anything affiliated to the republican party. trump's save american pac was able to pocket $31 million from supporters which trump can pretty much do whatever he wants to with. you might think that that would anger the republican party taking money from their coffers and setting them up to have to

beg trump for cash, but no, no, no! it appears they don't think it's a big enough tribute to the head of the family. in fact, the republicans are moving money to trump's pockets to moving the retreat to mar-a-lago so trump will speak and they'll be paying him for using his club and something tells me he won't be giving them a friends and family discount. while on the cusp of delivering life-saving relief for millions of americans, the other is focused on kissing the ring of the florida don. l. ron, former aide, and david crump, former speechwriter for george w. bush. david, thank you for being here, and i want to start with you. we were starting with this when we were prepping for the show today. it feels like donald trump, he's fleecing the republican party. it's not a con them. he's gotten them to essentially become a mafia of sorts where they've got to pay him, where they can't use his likeness for

free. at least they say they can. he says you can't. you're wasting your money. they're rhinos. if you want to help the american people, send me the money and i'll save the country. and we are essentially he's eaten the republican party up, and in a sense made it like the mafia. is that hyperbole to say? >> well, i was talking just this afternoon to someone who was in regular contact with the post-presidential trump, and according to my friend, here are some things that are true. trump desperately wants to be president, again. he never understood how much he'd like the job when he had it and now that he doesn't have it he wants it again. he wasn't focused enough on what matters and clearly since the impeachment, and the trial and the new administration, he has been very focused on one thing, which is just what you said, making sure that the streams of money in the party flow to him.

>> right. and so so, adrienne, if you have these things working together, you have trump saying i'll help you with this one thing, voter suppression. you need to not let hr-1 pass so you need to make sure that you suppress enough votes to make it impossible for me not to win and that's being done, check. on top of it, saying send all of the money to me, it is a stranglehold and it's odd to me is republicans don't have to be, and they're choosing to be in it. >> you're exactly right, joy. this is the problem that the republican party's had since trump became the nominee and in 2016 they leaned in to him. they sort of fought him off and they weren't quite sure what to do with him and once he became the nominee they leaned right in. we knew this would bite them and a series of challenges in the long term and now you're seeing that come to fruition. he is the republican party's

cash cow. if the nrc and nrcc cannot raise mono with donald trump how will they raise money and it's not like mitch mcconnell and kevin mccarthy has the fund-raising prowess that donald trump has. if he tells his donors you have to give to me and not the party committees they'll be in some real trouble. >> well, i think that is clearly true. david frum, it's both sad that, right? just as stimulus checks are going to be going out that donald trump has got his eyes on them to have these people send their money to him and they'll be sending it to him and five republicans who are the old-school type republicans retiring and you'll have five mini trumps running. you have one guy who may be running in missouri and his name is eric greiton and he resigned after sexual misconduct allegations came out and he's an ardent trumper and he tried to

blackmail a woman he was having an extra marital affair with a photo he took without consent. he has a shot. you have old-fashioned republicans with that and then what is the party? johnny cobb wrote, the federalists ceased to exist. is this a death spiral? >> the greiton story is such a terrible human tragedy. this is a guy who one would have thought was once the future, a former navy s.e.a.l., and a rhodes scholar and someone who wrote books on the supremacy of character and who won a race to be missouri governor at a young age and the first jewish governor of missouri and that this remarkable person would succumb to scandal in the way that he did which is so offensive and upsetting and tragic and then say the solution for me, who once studied the greek philosophers is to become

the trump of missouri. >> it's amazing, adrienne and describes josh hawley who has an ivy league education and this highfalutin education and he's a highly educated guy and they've all become trump. in the end they think that the only way to do it is they all try to be him. even people like ted cruz who he has belittled and mocked -- he can't even defend his own wife and it's more important to defend trump. lindsay graham, and is there another party on the other side of the democrats and if this is over what they want to be. >> joy, in the past however many years we've all seen times when we've thought this is really the time when you can see a big party make a stand, with ross perot garnering 20% of the vote and that was an area where we thought we'd see a third party take shape. we've never seen anything quite like this where you've got the combination of social media,

different forms of communication and someone like trump who, frankly, is so different than what the republican looked like in about 20 years ago. so this could actually be the time and look, if he masses a fortune with his pac which especially if he won't let the rnc use his name and i see no reason why he wouldn't, he would be able to substantially fund some of these challengers and that's why you're seeing moderates like richard burr, pat toomey and richard shelby and i can't believe i'm calling him a moderate. compared to these other guys that you've got in the senate he is more of a mainstream republican, you will start toy to see cheese challenges. that will spell huge trouble for the republican party as we know it. >> you know, david, i've been thinking about the john birch society and how long it took for republicans to finally dismiss

them and get rid of them because they realized they were making the elections. donald trump has a losing streak like none other. he not only lost the presidency and caused them to lose the united states senate and hasn't grown the party. at some point is there a john birch society exclusion moment, do you see, in the future or does a section of the current republican party break off and maybe form its own thing? >> no, in politics you learn through pain and so what is going to happen is 2022 should be a good republican year. they're the party not of the president and the normal ballot question in the second year of a president's term is everyone happier? does anyone have any complaints? and people are, like, yeah. i have some complaints and yeah, we have complaints. does anyone have any complaints about me? let's talk about me. that's always the donald trump impetus, let's talk about me and

when it's not smart to talk about him he still wants to talk about me. it's a referendum on trump and the republicans are sunk. if he makes it a referendum on biden they can pick up yards and every republican knows this, but doesn't dare say it. >> that's the problem, that they're too cowardly to go after a retiree who can't hurt them in any way. it is bizarre. adrienne elbar, david, good to see you. georgia republicans are making an aggressive push to suppress black voters and a direct response to republican losses in november and january and they're doing it in the same week civil rights icon vernon jordan is remembered. ahh, the timing. we'll be right back. alright, i brought in ensure max protein... ...to give you the protein you need with less of the sugar you don't (grunting noise) i'll take that. yeeeeeah! 30 grams of protein and 1 gram of sugar drink, play, and win big in the powered by protein challenge!

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vernon jordan was remembered in washington. bill clinton and kamala harris was in attendance for the service of howard university for jordan who passed away this week at age 85. it came in georgia after jordan fought as field director for naacp passed and yet another draconian voted a disenfranchisement bill and no excuse, absentee voting and requires to those who vote absentee. it comes after the georgia house steamrolled during an equally suppressive bill requiring more i.d. for absentee voting and limiting early voting days. as mother jones notes, these laws are georgia's most restrictive voting laws since the jim crow era. former president and georgia governor jimmy carter weighed in today saying in a statement as our state legislators seek to turn back the clock through legislation that will restrict access to voting for many

georgians, i am disheartened, saddened and angry. it's not just georgia racing this disenfranchise americans and on monday, a republican-backed bill, less than a week agoago, the disgrac twice-impeached florida man to push suppression has a plan to undermine it and is making voter suppression his brand. the daily beast reports the formy president has made it clear that he wants election crackdowns to emerge as one of the defining legacy of his post-presidency. and from his home base in florida he's told advisers he wants to help rally support for state gop voting restrictions because, of course, joining me now is latasha brown. donald trump, the former president appears to want his legacy to look like george

wallace before he had a change of heart, he wants to be jesse helms and not jimmy carter who is known for building houses for the poor. what is it like to have a president that he wants his post-presidency brand. he booked his entire presidential career on being a divider, of being a liar and being someone who actually aligned himself with white supremicism was a racist. as my grandmother would say, believe him and i think he has been very consistent with that. what is really disheartened is that here we are, 56 years after the voting rights movement and the week, the very week that we celebrated bloody sunday when black people were on the edmund pettus bridge and here we are literally facing these draconian bills that looked like a snapshot of the jim crow era of the 1965. >> you know, i watched the

vernon jordan today, president clinton spoke and you think about he did the expansions of motor voter and presidents normally want to enhance democracy. we're seeing the opposite now. what does it mean for georgia, the state that has the you worked so hard in, and stacy abrams worked so hard in with the historic election and the first black senator and the first jewish-american senator for the response for the state legislature to be, let's make sure that they can mefr do it again. to you as an activist and organizer what does that do to you? what does that do to you? does it make you more angry and more determined? >> i'm angry. i'm frustrated and upset and certainly determined. when everything has been black progress there's always been this group a white backlash and this group of people who sought to actually stop the progress that's been happening and what

we saw in 2020 it was in response to the voter suppression that happened in 2018 and part of what i think racists often do is they underestimate the power and the determination of black voters and it makes me extremely upset more so than looking at the legislature what happened in georgia and five of the republican senators and excused themselves and i didn't have the courage to stand up for it and it's very upsetting also that georgia, that it tries to pride itself as being in atlanta, they're too busy to hate is not too biz toe suppress and you have a coca-cola there that has a brand of $74 billion brand value, but did not use its power to the extent to be able to bring this -- on the one hand to say that they're for racial equity and not leverage their political power to put pressure to make sure that didn't happen. so they had the opportunity and they still do have an opportunity to stop this. >> do you think that's what it

will take. tyler perry studios is down there raking in hundreds and hundreds of billions for the state of georgia. coca-cola is down there, delta air lines is down there. will we start talking about boycotts directed at states and directed at companies who don't stand in the way of this or who perpetrate disenfranchisement? >> you know, i think that companies have the opportunity. i think this is a prime opportunity that to racial equity and justice that this is the time to affirm that and to stay with the commuter. i don't believe that the protection of democracy should solely fall on the backs of black people. it is not our burden to bear and our democracy is good for business and i think we have to put pressure all kinds of levels and we have to seek those who seek to undermine, forts in the state we have to hold them accountable and not just them, their businesses and this is not the burden for black people to

bear although we've been attacked and targeted that this restricts what's really ironic, joy s that the expansion of the voting rights of the absentee ballot voting was actually by republicans. republicans targeted and created the bill for rural white people they felt could vote and when black people turned out in record numbers that was not necessarily the outcome they expected and now they're saying oh, we don't need these people. >> yeah, and going after the black church in such a black way, just get rid of sunday voting as if no one can see what they're doing. i know you have other stuff that we could have gone on about. there are things going on in alabama when it comes to black judges being targeted that you raised to me today and we'll be following up on that and thank you always for keeping us up-to-date regarding what's going on. i appreciate you. up next, jury selection is under way as former minneapolis police officer derek chauvin goes to trial for the murder of

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after a brief delay the derek chauvin trial began in minnesota. lawyers questioned potential jurors about their answers to a lengthy and detailed questionnaire and they selected the first three jurors they intend to seat for the trial. first is a white male who says the criminal justice system is biased against racial minorities statistically. in my opinion all lives matter and that should include police, unquote. the second juror said her uncle is a police officer, but that she can be fair. pool reporters described her as, quote, a person of color. the third is a white male who has no personal opinion because he hasn't examined the viewpoint from the law. this comes as a former federal prosecutor paul butler made the case in a washington post-op ed

that the pool must include african-americans if it is to have legitimacy. a third dig murder charge could be reinstated which could delay the trial. georgetown law professor and my friend, paul, does it annoy you when these pool, no offense to the journalist, person of color and do not tell you whether there is a black juror which visually people should be able to figure out or maybe they need more diversity so they can visually figure it out, but you wrote that there needs to be a black person on the jury and an african-american juror to be legitimate and we don't know if that is to be the case. >> that is absolutely right. the jury must reflect the diversity of the community. the jury pool is about 12% black an joy, i'm very concerned that when prospective black jurors

honestly answer that they've had bad experiences with cops or that they know that the cops in minneapolis use excessive force against black people that they will be struck from the jury even though acknowledging bias and the criminal legal system. it's not an opinion. it's a fact and isn't it true that these cases are won in voir dire. do you believe the criminal justice system works why and why not? have you supported in advocated in favor of the police? have you participated against police force and brutality. how favorable are you with black lives matter or blue lives matter? when those questionnaires go through, what happens to those questionnaires? >> so, joy, under the law, jurors are supposed to use their life experiences and their common sense when they evaluate

evidence and the fact is many african-americans have different experiences with the police than white folks, for example, but the experiences of african-americans are just as valid as the experiences of any other americans. it's not a basis to exclude them from the jury. two of the white jurors who were selected today said that they had concerns about whether the police treat black people fairly, but it's actually common for lawyers to accept an answer from white jurors and when a prospective black juror says the same thing for the lawyer to strike that juror. >> and i think it's important for the media for that reason to just tell us if the juror is black. sorry, find enough diversity in your press pool to be able to look at that person and tell us ftc person is black because telling a person of color does not tell us if there are black jurors and that happened during the george zimmerman trial and

it was maddening. let's talk about the likelihood of conviction. i'm very cynical about these cases as you know, paul. we've talked about this before. we looked at 2014 to 2020, high-profile cases from michael brown to eric gardner. eric gardner was killed on tape saying "i can't breathe," and freddie gray, saw him dragged like a rag doll and thrown in the back of a truck and he was the only one convicted in a federal trial. the jury hung in south carolina despite the evidence both when you see a national conviction. it's so rare. what does it actually take to convict a police officer for killing -- particularly killing a black person when people don't sympathize with the dead and they sympathize with a cop. especially not to give police officers a break. sometimes jurors say well, i

think the cop did it, but he's just trying to do his job so i don't want to punish him and then there they're sympathetic to defense like chauvin. we know his defense will be to put george floyd on trial and make it sound like he's responsible for his own death so they're going to claim that chauvin didn't actually kill george floyd, but that floyd died from natural causes and illegal drugs in his system and they'll say that chauvin that mr. floyd resisted arrest and that chauvin used reasonable force in response. joy, that's character assassination, but it's a typical defense strategy when officers are charged with using excessive force. they put the victim on trial and too often that works. >> and it works because the use of force, the google use of force guidelines and find out how broad they are and the american people have given police broad power to use force

and that's why it's hard to convict him. this pipe bomb suspect in the case of a whole different level and whether they'll face justice. videos taken an alleyway across from the rnc where you can see this pipe -- is this -- how useful is this information to catching this person? >> it's extremely useful for all of its flaws and its inability to communicate with the d.c. police and capitol police what was going down on january 6th. despite all those flaws, the fbi remains the world's preeminent law enforcement investigation. it's quite good at tracking down bad guys. it's already tracked down about 200 of the 800 people who were involved in the insurrection. and so, catching this guy won't be the difficult part. charging him, prosecuting him, and getting him convicted, that will be the challenge. >> that's the thing that's so crazy. it's harder to convict somebody

for leaving a pipe bomb than it is to convict a police officer for killing someone on tv. lastly, the qanon shaman who's staying in jail, is that a good sign that he might actually be facing justice for real? >> i think so. look, the judge -- judge lambert, i've appeared before him many times. he's a no-nonsense guy who does not come to the courtroom to play. so, he looked at this jacob chansley guy. remember, joy, this is a man who demanded organic food and went on a hunger strike until he got it. this is the same guy -- >> yes. >> -- though, who wrote a note in mike pence's chair in the senate that said is justice is coming, it's only a matter of time. on social media, he posted about hanging government workers who he called traitors. >> yep. >> and now he says he shouldn't be held in jail because of his bizarre qanon beliefs. the judge let him have it, joy. he said that that request was so frivolous as to insult the court's intelligence. i would have said, it's white

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♪♪ oprah's interview with meghan and harry had not even aired yet in the uk, and british chatshow host and former "apprentice" contestant peter morgan was outraged that meghan was dare accuse the royal family of racism. luckily, one of his guests reminded him how lewd rouse that is. >> the royal family as an institution is rooted in colonialism, white supremacy and racism. the legacy's right there. so, you're now surprised that a comment will not be made by several members of the royal family about how dark -- >> it's not several members,

ashley. no, no, you can't spew lies -- >> that -- >> are we allowed to engage in any of this? >> let me finish. >> well, you're not stopping. >> -- you are now outraged that harry and meghan have the audacity to speak their truth, then you should be at the actual outrage of racism! >> well, this morning, morgan walked off the set of "good morning britain" after his co-presenter, alex, dragged him to the foot of the throne. >> i understand that you don't like meghan markle. you've made it so clear a number of times on this program, a number of times. and i understand that you've got a personal relationship with meghan markle, or had one, and she cut you off. she's entitled to cut you off if she wants to. has she said anything about you since she cut you off? i don't think she has, but yet, you continue to trash her. >> okay, i'm done with this. >> no, no, no -- >> sorry. >> oh, do you know what, that's -- >> not mine, see you later. >> i've been -- >> sorry, can't do this.

>> this is absolutely diabolical behavior. >> epic! he has since quit the show. and while piers was busy throwing a fit before he quit, the all-white teeny bobber trump fan club was getting equally history yeerkal about the interview. charlie kirk, the right wing provocateur called prince harry who spent time in the british army with two tours in afghan beta male because he supported his wife. perhaps he would like him to be more like ted cruz. then there is migrant child capturer stephen miller, who tweeted it's not about you, but about your country. his past boss was donald trump. then there is youtuber ben shapiro who called harry spoiled before moaning about how challenging it must be for ailing prince philip to watch his grandson called the institution a repository of bigotry. i guess he wasn't watching when he asked australian if they were

still throwing spears. he decided he absolutely had to jump in, because let's be real, what else does he have to do except hope his daddy with one day pay attention to him? >> why was there no questioning? again, didn't seem like she was hiding from the press, didn't seem like she wasn't buying with full disclosure, meaning if you're marrying into the british royal family, you probably understand that there is some stuff that comes along with that that isn't always going to be awesome. >> is it possible for a person's chin to actually go in? by the way, he never even watched the interview. and bethenny frankel, the lady from one of the "housewives" shows, she hasn't even seen the interview but felt necessary to share with her followers in advance that she had zero sympathy for the duchess. she later apologized for her opinion. and there's another super-rich immediate lady waxing about it, too, but i can't remember who this is.

all these folks and their ignorance make them the absolute worst. and you know how i know they're the worst? because the queen, herself, issued a statement acknowledging the full extent of how challenging the last few years have been for harry and meghan, saying the issues raised, particularly of race, are concerning. oops! let's call it the queen's gambit. and that's tonight's "reidout." "all in with chris hayes" starts now. tonight on "all in," turning the big lie that inspired an insurrection into law. tonight, the latest brazen move by republicans to hobble democracy. then, donald trump's brazen attempt to siphon money from republicans. >> there is only one way to contribute, and that's through save america pac and donaldjtrump.com. plus, a year after his endorsement helped decide the democratic nomination, congressman james clyburn on what he makes of president biden's fast start. and first, it was texas and mississippi. tonight, governor ned lamont on