unaccompanied minors flooding over the border now and overwhelming shelters. it's a big problem that the biden administration has to face. so they're hoping to go down there, take a look at what's happening and i think a lot of it honestly comes down to messaging. >> alayna treene, thank you for being up early with us. we appreciate your reporting. just to turn back to what's about to unfold in the house of representatives, we're going to likely see republicans do everything they can to slow down the passage of this coronavirus relief plan. they're making a bet that's standing in the way of it in the long run will work out better for them politically, but again, the circumstances so much different now than they were in 2009. a risky bet in many ways that we're going to watch play out over the course of the next couple of years ahead of those mid term elections. thank you for getting up way too early with us on this wednesday

morning. don't go any way, "morning joe" starts now. this week in covid history, march 2020, week two, everyone is getting mask fever. n95 masks, gas masks and mask singers like sarah palin seen about singing about her moist alaska bottoms. ♪♪ >> speaking of uncomfortable shaking, president trump shakes hands in florida. lots and lots of hands, but don't worry about that pesky coronavirus. >> we're doing a great job with it. and it will go away. just stay calm. lit go away. >> really? because it sort of feels like it's getting out of control. tom hanks got it. arenas are empty and people are buying t.p. like hot cakes. >> be calm. it's really working out. and a lot of good things are going to happen. >> no reason to panic. ask fox news. >> why the mask hysteria over the coronavirus when it's far more lethal to have the flu? >> why if the flu is by pure

numbers much more dangerous, why do you think there's this reaction that we see everywhere? >> it's actually the safest time to fly. >> all i know is things are looking up. >> the virus will not have a chance against us. no nation is more prepared or more resilient than the united states. >> thank you for your confidence, mr. president. >> okay. okay. >> this has been this week in covid history. >> all right. well, you know -- >> my god. >> wow. willie, some -- a year later, it is -- >> i'm not ready to laugh yet. >> really stark to see all the things that were being said and all the assurances that there's nothing to this at all. >> 530,000 deaths later since all that. this actually today is the wednesday. it's march 10th, it was march 11th last year, when everything seemed to sort of tilt on its edges, tom hanks and his wife

rita wilson announced they had covid. the president gave that address from the oval office and the nba yanked two teams off the court because there was a positive test on one of the teams. today was the day, i think, one year ago this wednesday night when the gravity of what was in front of us really began to set in. but we never could have imagined there would be more than half a million people dead, that our economy would crater and still be sitting here one year later facing many problems we faced a year ago. >> and i mean, our life changed so dramatically and in some ways we'll never change back, but the coronavirus has crushed so many people financially. people who were perfectly fine, who were thrown off the grid so to speak. and our social norms. who knows if we'll ever shake hands again to an extent because we have learned so much. and we've learned so much about simple things like the flu, which hasn't happened as much this year because of the social distancing guidelines that have

been put in place and followed by most and especially in the new administration as they try to tackle the coronavirus. we have eddie glaude jr., sam stein and anna palmer is joining us this morning. the house is expected to vote today on president biden's coronavirus relief package. debate on the bill is scheduled to begin just after 9:00 a.m. timing of the vote is fluid given that republicans may try to slow the process with procedural delays. house democrats aim to get the bill to president biden's desk so he can sign it before key unemployment aid programs expire this sunday, joe. >> sam stein, you brought some more polls with you showing again just how wildly popular this bill is. >> yeah. we have a new poll out just now,

politico morning consult poll you rarely see legislation this popular, 75% support for the legislation, 18% opposition. but you break it down by party affiliation. you have 59% of republicans, self identified republicans, saying they support this bill. only 35% of the republicans oppose. the independent numbers are even better than that. 45% say it's the right amount. 24% wish this bill was bigger, that it covers too little support. you have seen president biden say the risk is we don't do enough. people wish he went further than this. it's a piece of legislation with immense popularity. in the white house a couple weeks back i remember talking to an adviser wondering if republicans would recognize this and some would vote for the it because of the political advantageous of it and what we will see today and in the senate a couple days ago is that republicans will oppose this en

masse, calculating there's more political upside to being in the opposition on this one. right now it look like a fairly risky bet considering how well this is polling and how people want more. >> you know, eddie, i just keep going back to the fact that the republicans seem to be carrying a page out of a play book from 2009 where they think they're going up against barack obama and they don't understand that they've been playing this game for 11 years and americans understand they'll be against things but they don't -- other than huge tax cuts for billionaires and multinational corporations, they really all they've done is say no over the past 11 years. and in this case, you've got a bill that's wildly popular. they're going to be against a bill that 76% of americans support. their next fight is going to be

to stop the expansion of democracy, to do everything they can to stand like wallace in the schoolhouse door except this time to stand in the door of voting precincts, to stop more americans from voting. this is a losing proposition for them and i'm surprised that there's not one republican in the senate that understood this and voted for this popular bill. >> yeah, joe. i think you're absolutely right. you're describing the modern day versions of no nothings. i think that's absolutely on point. what's different than the obama years, of course, is that 530,000 americans are dead. that the popularity of the relief package has everything to do with the suffering in the country. and what you see among republicans is in some ways a kind of desire to consolidate or at least to try to address the deep fish sures within the party by kind of consolidating behind

opposition to the democrats, owning the libs becomes the way to deal with the civil war within the party. and trying to deal with that, joe, it seems like they're not addressing the suffering in the country. i don't think this is a wise political calculation. i understand it. but it's also consistent with what the republican party has morphed into, i believe. >> and willie, eddie brings up such a great point that you have people who now support donald trump, most of the republican party, and they'll say things like they support what he believes in, what he stands for or just that he fights for us. >> right. >> he fights against nancy pelosi. he fights against liberals. he fights against cnn. he fights against msnbc, new york times, you name it. their entire philosophy has been boiled down to, well, actually not a philosophy, just sort of a

spasm. it's what do we do to own the libs? it's really -- we're going to show a clip in a minute of tim ryan talking about all the things that the democratic party is doing right now that republicans support, that independents support, that democrats support. >> yeah. let's show -- >> while they're doing that, while they're doing that, republicans, republican leaders, are reading "cat in the hat." it has really gotten preposterous. >> right. own the libs, lean into culture war issues at the expense of legislation like the one that has 75% support right now. you mentioned democratic congressman tim ryan of ohio on the house floor yesterday during a debate over an expansion of labor rights, a big expansion bill of labor rights. but to your point, he went through the laundry list of things he says republicans oppose that workers need. here is congressman ryan.

>> mr. speaker, one of the earlier speakers said this is the most dramatic change in labor law in 80 years. and i say thank god. in the late '70s a ceo made 35 times the worker. today it's 3 to 400 times the worker and our friends on the other side, running around with their hair on fire, heaven forbid we pass something that's going to help the damn workers in the united states of america. heaven forbid. we tilt the balance that has been going in the wrong direction for 50 years. we talk about pensions. you complain. we talk about the minimum wage increase. you complain. we talk about giving them the right to organize. you complain. but if we're passing the tax cut here, you would be getting in line to vote yes for it. now stop talking about dr. seuss and start working with us on behalf of the american workers. >> that labor bill passed the house, by the way, 225 to 206.

5 republicans joined democrats. anna palmer, let's look at this big picture from the republican point of view to joe's point about why they're opposing this legislation. the argument goes that it's bloated, that most of it has nothing to do with coronavirus, that it's a liberal wish list, nancy pelosi getting everything she ever wanted in one big bill, but it is a 75% popular bill that americans are waiting for and have been waiting for for a very long time to get their lives back on track. what is the calculation by republicans to oppose this unanimously? >> i think republicans have made the calculation that they need to find something to rally around in the post-donald trump era. republicans are in an existential crisis, we talk about it all the time on this show and just in general, trying to find their way through the one thing that they have been able to poll us around the concept that they'll be against this bill and decided to find religion again on spending.

we tallied up this morning in punch bowl news a.m. that the spending on covid relief is $5.5 trillion. that's more historically than what we spent in world war ii, spent across massive, massive government programs. and so i think this is one of the arguments you're going to see republicans make, that it's just too spendly, too costly. >> yeah. you know, sam stein, fascinating thing has been happening over the first month, month and a half of joe biden's administration, new administration. the attacks, we talk about dr. seuss, but you know, instead of attacking joe biden, the usual suspects are attacking the estate of dr. seuss for deciding as a private entity what books they don't want to put out. they're attacking disney because

of things that disney is doing. they're not even attacking the government. and they certainly aren't attacking joe biden. we had jokingly called him teflon joe after that iowa incident where he appeared to call a voter fat. and jack. and his poll numbers wernt up. and we're like, okay. this guy is teflon joe. >> because he's nice. >> it was maddening to donald trump throughout the entire campaign. he couldn't find something that stuck on joe biden, so he tried to attack his family. nobody cared. that didn't stick on joe biden either. and so now these republicans -- the majority leader, minority leader of the republican party, reading dr. seuss. listen, i had problems with newt gingrich when he was speaker of the house. but usually we were fighting about spending cuts, not whether

newt was reading dr. seuss while the most popular bill in recent history was being voted on by democrats. >> yeah. well, i think a few things are of play here. one is i think donald trump has irrevocably changed the landscape. where as in the past it made sense for republicans to go off on government programs, overspending, donald trump was unorthodox to say the least. he was a big spending republican. he cut checks for people in the covid pandemic. he's actually currently still going after mitch mcconnell for not cutting bigger relief checks. that makes it hard for republicans to then turn around and accuse joe biden of mishandling the pandemic when trump's remedies are to some degree what biden is latching on to. i think that's one issue right here. i think the other thing is this relief bill is sort of simplistic. it throws money at a problem. vaccines, schools, states, and people who are unemployed. where as in 2009, when obama was

doing stimulus, that was coming right at the tail end when we were bailing out banks and financial institutions. that became really easy for republicans to latch on to. that was a rallying cry that birthed the tea party. helping the bad actors who got us into this crisis. the bad actor who got us into this crisis a virus. we're not bailing out the virus, we're trying to crush it. it becomes difficult for the republicans to use against biden. now they turn to things that galvanize their base like dr. seuss and the gender of mr. potato head and all sorts of things that may be galvanizing -- >> it is ludicrous. >> listen to what you're saying. >> i'm self aware here, yeah. >> i know. we're talking about the worst pandemic in over a century. we're talking about willie, more deaths than americans endured in world war ii.

we're talking about trying to bring this to the end, trying to help americans out. donald trump wants to give people $2,000. joe biden is giving them $1,400. republicans want to talk about dr. seuss and mr. potato head. how dare hasbro take off mr. yeah, i think it's stupid. but you know what i think is more stupid, like the republican party talking about this instead of talking about the greatest health crisis and the great itself economic crisis we've been in in a very long time. >> yeah. we're laughing not because it's funny that you have the republican party doing that because it's so absurd actually. and by the way, the mr. potato thing was a dud. they said, no, there's still a mr. and a mrs. just the brand is called potato head. we spent enough time on mr. potato head for one morning.

they don't want to con what's in front of them. to your point, this has been a long problem about going after joe biden. going back to the campaign, mika we talked about all the time they tried to paint joe biden as a radical leftist, that guy, joe biden? we know that guy. we've known him for four years. in fact, he frustrated progressives, including progressives he was running against, progressives who supported him were frustrated he wasn't progressive enough. so now as you see, they turned to the leader of the republican party in the house, sitting on camera reading dr. seuss books with a straight face to make some point unclear at this point. >> well, it's very trumpian, actually, which is distraction, deflection. i mean, these silly, ridiculous issues they're putting up the middle of one of the worst crises this country has ever faced and their doing what donald trump does, which is to distract from the fact that they are connected and support the man who drove this virus into

the ground and didn't make it better, made it worse. and the reason why we're passing a covid relief bill and looking for relief for the people of this country is because the reaction to this pandemic was so botched by the man they support, so they want to talk about potato head. anna, yesterday white house chief of staff ron klain spoke with your punch bowl news colleagues. here is what he had to say about the covid bill and bipartisanship moving forward. >> i'm happy to work with any senator in either party that wants to help president biden move this country forward. obviously it's a challenge to keep 50 democrats united. grateful that senator schumer did that on behalf of the president working with his caucus. we're going to continue to work with every member of the senate, democrat and republican, to move america's agenda forward. i'll let them explain why they voted no. i know why we proposed this plan. i know why the people who voted

for it voted for the plan. the people who voted against it can characterize their own votes. >> all right. anna, what else did you get from this interview? they say they want bipartisanship, but are they really going to get it? >> i think he's realistic. i asked him a punch of questions infrastructure, the minimum wage and raising it to $15, the concept of what they're going to do at the border and immigration, those are all really thorny issues for this white house to figure out. and while they say they want to find a way and path toward unity and not just use reconciliation, i think ron klain is coming at this with pretty eyes wide open, republicans are going to try to stop things as much as they can but they are going to continue to press forward and they expect to really kind of take this next couple of weeks to spike the football a little bit. they got this covid relief plan done and try to use that momentum to move into the next phase. >> got it.

anna palmer, thank you so much. still ahead on "morning joe," former president trump ramps up his calls for supporters to donate to him rather than the gop. did the gop see this coming? come on, man. >> give all of your money to that guy. that guy -- >> right there. >> under investigation by how many different entities for moving money around improperly, allegedly illegally. that's where -- so the republican party has trusted this guy with the white house. he loses the house. he loses the senate. >> yep, yep. >> he loses 1600 pennsylvania avenue. >> yeppers. >> and now he's saying give me all your money. we're about to find out, mika, just how deep this personality cult goes. >> all i know is if the republican party acts shocked, that's just it. it's over. plus, after she voted to

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♪♪ it's 25 past the hour. live look at london, buckingham palace. nearly two days after oprah's tell-all interview with prince harry and meghan markle aired in the u.s., buckingham palace released a statement. quote, the whole family is saddened to learn the full extent of how challenging the last few years have been for harry and meghan.

the issues raised, particularly that of race, are concerning. while some recollections may vary, they are taken very seriously and will be addressed by the family privately. harry, meghan and archie will always be much loved family members. let's bring in nbc news senior international correspondent keir simmons live in front of buckingham palace. what's the fallout? what's the reaction to the statement? and a lot of drama on morning news in england. >> reporter: yeah. that's right. let's just get to the statement first. look, i think that this is a statement that is intentionally short, just over 70 words, to address the three-hour long interview with oprah winfrey. i think it is an olive branch

from the queen to meghan and harry. at no point does she refute any of the things that harry and meghan said except for that very subtle questioning of people's recollections. i think that is in part because the buckingham palace, the royal family have been thrust into the culture wars with this. accusations have been made very, very uncomfortable, very difficult for them to deal with. and remember that with prince harry, you know, in a sense you could say they have been the past few days up against a formidable opponent. he is somebody who has grown up in the family. he could have done a week of interviews with oprah winfrey about everything he knows. so i think what the queen has done with this statement is said, let's just back away here. try and build bridges and resolve some of the issues and do it privately. some commentators here are saying, though, there are still

issues. for example, why last week did the royal family launch an investigation into allegations of bullying against meghan. and this week they say, well, actually the allegations of racism we want to deal with those privately behind closed doors f you like, and that illustration of how polarizing this has been, piers morgan, the anchor of morning news show here in the uk storming out of the studio yesterday after he was challenged about criticizing meghan, which he has been doing for many years, now has resigned claiming freedom of speech. in fact, there are regulations governing what you can and can't say on british broadcast television. and there were more than 40,000 complaints about what he had to say this week. but it just illustrates how controversial this is and as i think why the royal family are trying to step away a little bit from just the heated debate f you like. >> keir, it's willie.

one of the most stunning claims is that someone in the royal family asked harry and meghan about the race of the baby and worried, expressed concern about having a black child in the royal family. harry was quick to tell oprah later and oprah reported on monday that he wanted to make clear that it was not the queen or philip. that gets the list down to a very short one. is there any more clarity on that question, because obviously that's extraordinarily damaging to the palace behind you. >> reporter: yeah, absolutely damaging. no, there isn't. and of course in that interview prince harry said that he would never say who it was. but, of course in those meetings emergency meetings in the palace behind me they will have been trying to figure out who he was referring to and they will know that he has more information that he could share. just goes back to this same point really that ultimately the

royal family will struggle in a battle with prince harry. there are many commentators here saying harry and meghan won this one f you like, because they have now have this statement from the queen that has not refute what had they said and i think one of the questions going forward, willie, is that, look, princess diana, harry's mom, wanted to change the royal family. and in some sense, you could say, that is what harry was trying to do from the inside. he didn't manage it. now he's on the outside. i don't necessarily think he's going to stop trying to make those changes, modernize the family. now, remember, this is a family that has changed many times. but this is another challenge for them to modernize and harry and meghan's argument at this point is that they haven't really met that challenge. >> you know, keir, i'm curious about the different reaction in

america versus britain. katty kay was on with us yesterday morning and said there was a bit of a difference. yesterday kathleen parker with the washington post sounded actually like she could have written from -- in a british tabloid by saying, wait, wait, wait a second. we're supposed to feel sorry for you when you got a $45 million wedding and you're telling us you didn't google what it was going to be like being a princess in that drew a lot of sort of raised eyebrows in britain. but also they're living opulently in california, $15 million house and kathleen parker asks the question, how do we feel sorry for these extraordinarily wealthy royals while on "60 minutes" an hour before oprah's interview that she got paid $7 million for, "60

minutes" is doing a story about americans living in their cars and in tents because they lost their jobs in covid. very little skepticism in the american press about some of these claims. is there still skepticism in the british press even after the queen's statement? >> reporter: yeah, there absolutely is skepticism. i think, joe, what you go to there and i think it's fascinating and important is the difference -- different kinds of narratives here. there's the question of class, which is about harry and meghan clearly being very wealthy and very likely to be even more wealthy and how the public react to that. and then the question of race and even sexism questions in this interview that where meghan is talking about being trapped and being stuck in kensington palace and not allowed to talk and give her own interviews, all of these issues are welded together. that's in a sense why it is so

incredibly difficult for buckingham palace to address. so, yeah. i think there is a question over how the public will react. in a sense, you know, in royal history hasn't always been the thing, hasn't it? whether the royals are able to keep the support of the public goes back 1,000 years. so, one of the debates, one of the questions here is about whether harry and meghan can sustain support, particularly harry, and then what he does with that and the same for the royal family. you know, what we have looking forward is harry's father, prince charles, at some point becoming king. that's the big picture. can the monarchy sustain its support looking forward? and how much does it need to change and move with the times in order to maintain that support. >> yeah. and it seems that the challenge is that the world has grown up

with prince harry. and they suffered with him when he lost his mother and they've been with him every step of the way. it's not going to be easy to control the narrative, for sure. nbc's keir simmons, thank you very much for your reporting this morning. willie? >> thank you. now to the latest a the southern border. yesterday we reported on more than 3,200 unaccompanied migrant children who are in border patrol custody right now. that's a record number. the difference from the past several years is that the biden administration is not separating children from their families as a matter of policy. but now there are questions about whether the biden administration will keep the practice of family detention. joining us now with her latest reporting on this, is nbc news correspondent julia ansley. good morning. what are you hearing this morning, a record number of children at the border detained. what's the difference here from what we have seen over the last several years and how big of a problem does the biden administration see this?

>> reporter: well, the difference here is that a lot of these children are part of a problem that the biden administration inherited from the trump administration. when trump used cdc authority to say that all immigrants, even unaccompanied children, would be expelled from the united states if they tried to claim asylum during the pandemic. they said that there was to protect immigrants and americans alike from having to stay in these settings where they would all be kept together. then that was reversed by the biden administration around january 30th, for these children, which meant there were a lot of children who couldn't come in under the trump administration who were now starting to come in now which makes that number higher. what's particularly concerning is how many children are staying over 72 hours, which is the legal limit, about half of those, about 1,400 have been staying over 72 hours and that presents a problem for the biden administration because those are the very facilities where we saw in 2019, again, these were not separated children, that by and large did in 2018, but those

children were in crowded conditions, sleeping on concrete, not able to shower, have clean drinking water. it's something we're watching for to see how they handle this influx. separately you have these families. these are people who cross the border with their children and they're detained, not because they're serving any kind of criminal sentence but simply because we have held them since the obama administration for up to 20 days while they claim asylum or they're being held before they're deported. and for a long time we had clear signals both from president biden as a candidate and recently from dhs secretary alejandro mayorkas they did not want to keep families in detention. there was a court filing late last week they were going to transfer all these facilities to only hold families for 72 hours. now i'm told by a senior i.c.e. official that's not the case. they're looking a the reality on the ground, influx of immigrants and they're not ready to commit to that. they say there will be no limit

besides that 20 day limit imposed by a court for holding families. so really they're keeping with the status quo, one that trump used with families and one that obama used with families. these families will not be released. and they will right now we're looking at upwards of 450 families still in detention. >> eddie glaude, this is a great example, one of the clearest examples, of the difference in leadership between the last administration and this administration. both faced with border crises. one had a cabinet meeting where the attorney general proposed separating families, ripping babies from their mothers, putting children in cages and they actually voted to do that and the underlying logic as stated was it would scare people into coming to the united states, seeking refuge in our

country. and now you have the 46th president and his administration working every way they can to actually alleviate suffering. i know that sounds obvious, but what a huge difference for this country to have a leader now who is actually working with his administration around the clock to alleviate suffering versus the last administration who specifically said we want to punish these people. we want to make children and toddlers and babies suffer. we want to rip them from the arms of their parents to serve as a deterrent. >> and you know, joe, we don't have the likes of steven miller in the white house who is driving such horrible and cruel policies. and you kind of jux to pose what you just said with the sound of senator lindsey graham talking about the crisis at the border

and clambering for a return to the draconian policies of trump, saying they're children now but they'll be terrorists later. but i think the biden administration faces a really vexing problem here and that is they have to -- it's not just simply returning to obama's position, they have to figure out how to address this issue. and we know that there are constituencies out there who don't want to return to the obama presidency or his policies with regards to immigration at the border because he was deporter in chief. i don't have an answer. it's a vexing question. but at least he's approaching it. at least they are approaching it in a humane way, joe. and i agree with you on that one. >> all right, nbc's julia ainsley, thank you very much for your reporting on that this morning. and coming up, for all the covid stress we've endured, many are now facing new anxiety about the idea of returning to normal, to normal life, after the

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♪♪ as we begin to look forward to what life will be like after the pandemic, airline companies are pushing the idea of standardized vaccine passports for travelers. >> i like that. >> nbc news correspondent jo ling kent has more. >> reporter: airline industry leaders are asking the white house to set a new official standard for a vaccine passport, allowing travelers to disclose their testing and vaccination status as more americans hit the road again. >> vaccination is america's only

hope. >> think the airport is a little out of money because so many people feel strongly about not getting vaccinated. >> reporter: in this letter, more than two dozen airline industry groups are urging covid-19 coordinator to establish uniform guidance, saying the current offering of digital passports like clear and others are fragmented and risk causing confusion. why aren't those good enough to continue. >> there's 30 different credentials. and the only way it's going to work is if they all speak to one -- speak to one another. >> reporter: although industry groups are make this request, they also firmly believe that covid-19 vaccines should not be a requirement for domestic or international travel. the white house responding to the letter. >> our focus from the federal government is on getting more people vaccinated. >> reporter: the cdc is still recommending against travel, even for people with the vaccine. >> all right. that is fascinating. you know, willie, it's

interesting this past weekend i went on the bill mahr show. >> you were very good. >> very nice of you, mika. >> it was really interesting. i got there and walked in and, hey, how are you doing, joe, good to see you, very good to see you. everybody was socially distanced. come sit in here. bill can't wait to see you. we're going through all the steps and they're great. i love him. i've known him for a very long time. but i just looked around. the infrastructure was huge, right? and then they walk you downstairs, get your makeup on, safely of course everybody is wearing masks. then you go back up. and then you go and -- then you want to go down to the green room now. again, i was on the expedited process. by the time i get down to the green room, i'm like, man, this is so 2019. it actually felt -- i'm dead serious. it felt like i was in the

avenger's movie and one of the people that was turned to dust and came back five years later. it seemed like it was from another time and another world. and so i did what i usually do when i'm confused, i just lay down on the couch in the green room and i fell asleep until they tapped on me and said it's time. it's time to go on the show. but, so when i read these articles, i was thinking, my god, this is going to be really weird when we return to what we think is normal because i promise you it seemed like 30 years ago, being in that sort of situation being in that sort of setup. man, it's going to be strange when we sort of return to normal. >> yeah. it's a funny thing, isn't it, that we all -- all we want is to get back to normal. all we want is our kids back in school. all i want is more people in the studio. ive meg the stage director. the two of us in here for almost a year. we want to fill up our

buildings. socially it will feel weird. it will be strange to have traffic in new york city and people streaming through the streets. all the things that we say we want to come back to are going to start to feel strange. there's a new piece that we have been looking at about this new reality, even the most simple parts of life, going back to the grocery store, things like that, can carry with it some anxiety. our next guest explore how americans are feeling the impact of quarantine, whether they contracted covid or not. joining us now ellen curbing and practicing internist healthcare educator and mental health advocate dr. lucy mcbride. good morning to you both. dr. mcbride, you write this in the washington most, month after month we yearning to be done with social distancing life in less virtual reality, millions of americans have vaccinated and millions more will soon roll up their sleeves for this this prospect is oddly disconcerning. precovid my teenage kids talked

about fomo, fear of missing out. upon re-entry, many of us will facing in new, fono, fear of normal. trauma has a way of doing that to us. we lost more than 500,000 lives in this country alone. we suffered unprecedented economic, social and emotional upheaval and regardless of our individual pandemic experience, each of us has faced some level of loss, grief and dispair. so dr. mcbride, talk about this a little bit more because i think you've tapped into something that a lot of us are feeling. we're racing to get back to normal and then suddenly a little anxious about what that's going to feel like. >> absolutely, willie. thank you so much for having me this morning. i'm delighted to be here and delighted to shine a light on the critical importance of addressing our mental health. so, as we all know, we're coming off of a year of trauma. you know, the pandemic is obviously a crisis of a virus, but it's also a parallel pandemic of mental health in

crisis. what i'm seeing in my office everyday right now is sort of the latest manifestation of the anxiety issues that we've been dealing with for a year. people are afraid to face the new realities of the new normal, even though we have been craving it for a year. it's causing a lot of anxiety. it's causing a lot of fear. and it's causing people to feel very vulnerable and my message and my piece is this, there is a place for addressing mental health in the doctor's office. mental health needs to be put into the conversation about our whole health, to be delivering meaningful health care. >> and eling cushing in your piece to the atlantic to take that to the next level, you talk about how the late stage of this pandemic could be interrupting or impacting cog cognitive. function what do you mean by that? >> as dr. mcbride said, we

all -- even those of us experienced the pandemic in relative comfort, haven't lost anyone, et cetera, we've all had the experience of being alive in a world overflowing with grief for the last year. and the doctors that i spoke to, the scientists i spoke to, said that stress, anxiety, even low level stress, on a regular basis impacts cognitive function. so if you feel more forgetful, you're very much not alone. >> yeah. you know, it's interesting ellen, in your atlantic piece, you talk about that fog and asking yourself, what's it like? what's it like to go back out to a restaurant? what will it be like being with friends? i think about -- it's so funny. i was talking to somebody at msnbc yesterday who is from the south. and we were laughing about the fact, oh my god, in the south,

we're huggers. you go up to people, hey, how are you doing? good to see you. and we say -- i don't know that that's going to happen again. and you go through all the things you used to do and saying, what's that going to be like? i love the story about where you talked to your friend who always had the stand-up dinner. and it was part of the neighborhood thing. and it was so engrained and you went up to her and said i can't wait to have the stand-up dinners again and she said, what? what? again you talk about this fog. it is really going to make re-entry into that normal world a little more challenging. >> yeah. i mean, the good news here is that a lot of this is just about habits. our brains sort of put things in deep storage when they're not using them, so if you feel like you don't remember how to tie a tie or wear your outside shoes or commute to work, the good

news is that once you start doing those things you will remember them. so, don't panic if you don't remember how to give hugs. but we're all under cognitive stress right now. >> so, dr. mcbride, you talk about how to deal with this anxiety, normalizing the trauma, identifying the sort of emotional, the mental health roadblocks. but what are the coping tools that people can put into place? and then i also question whether things are really going to get back to normal. i think it will be a little bit different when we get back to wherever we're going to get back to. >> right. so, coping is critical. and the first thing s as you say, we have to name this. we have to call this what it is. it's a trauma. so once you name the experience that we've all been through as a trauma and we've all experienced trauma in some degree, whether it's losing a loved one to covid-19 or losing your senior

year in high school, we all experienced some degree of loss. so naming it is crucial. normalizing it and understanding it, all of my patients i'm seeing are all experiencing anxiety and ambivalence about facing the future even though it's offered to be a better future. and then coping. so coping includes, you know, things like exercise, getting out in nature, meditation. i commonly recommend psycho therapy. asking for help is a strength. it is going to be a new normal. it's not going to be an on/off switch. there's going to be an onramp to new normal where gradually as more people are vaccinated we achieve herd immunity and then we'll be gradually able to relax the restrictions over time. >> dr. mcbride, i'm curious for your take on how we should be talking to kids as they get back to their normal as well because we've talked about the education side of it, but for so many kids the social side of it has been

just as difficult, not being able to go out and see your friends, not going to do the school play or play sports with your friends or go to camp or all the things that make being a kid great. so what does that new normal look like for them when they step back into that? and what should we be looking for? >> yeah. so it's a great question. i'm a mother of three teenagers who have had, you know, mixed experiences. and i think kids need school like fish need water. is what their job is. they need their peers. they need the exposure to, of course, their teachers and they also for many kids need school for their safety and health and well being. so it's going to be an adjustment and just like i recommend to my patients everyday to name normal and navigate their complex feelings because they affect how we feel everyday but also affect our medical outcomes in important ways, same thing for kids. we need to say, look, honey, this is normal. if you're ambivalent and anxious about being back in the

classroom f you by the way had middle school or high school social anxiety that has been quieted during the pandemic, guess what, that's going to come back because, you know, it's going to be a new experience and change is hard. >> all right. dr. lucy mcbride and ellen cushing thank you so much for being with us. we greatly appreciate it. make sure you check out their respective pieces in the atlantic and "the washington post." willie, i'll tell you, i'm concerned that i'm going to forget after this pandemic is over, you know, i always did my six-mile run every morning right after the show. have my vegan diet, you know. so i'm afraid that maybe i won't remember how to do that after this is all over. i don't know what i mean? >> i think you have already forgotten. what you used to do is go sit on a park bench with a pack of cigarettes and yell at people who were on their six-mile runs and throw things at them when they passed you.

>> i was one of the people running. yeah. it's how we met. >> it is. so that must be that fog. >> that's the fog, exactly. >> i thought i was running. i was smoking marlbros unfiltered. >> 100s. >> age yellings at mika while she was jogging. hurry up. i can't sit here all day. >> blowing on a whistle. >> thank you. >> that's not as easy as it looks, okay? >> no. he's like [ coughing ] after he blows a whistle because he can barely get a breath out. still ahead, president biden's coronavirus relief bill is heading for the finish line today. the house is expected to vote on the legislation and despite its popularity republicans are not on board. >> what a shock. >> they're busy. >> just sit down and have a smoke. we'll do the work for you. >> they're worried about dr. seuss. democratic senator cory booker joins us to weigh in on that. we're back in two minutes.

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why do you want to be president? >> well -- were i to make the announcement and to run, the reasons that i would run is because i have a great belief in this country. >> that was the late ted kennedy. he was searching for an answer to why he was preparing to challenge then president jimmy carter for the 1980 democratic presidential nomination. that question posed by legendary political correspondent and news anchor roger mudd who died yesterday at the age of 93. a lot of people have been showing that clip and talking

about that clip because it was an extraordinary moment in modern american political history, but roger mudd was so much more. he was a staple in political journalism. a real anchor of sorts for over 30 years, beginning his career at cbs in 1961 where he spent 19 years covering congress, elections and political conventions and anchoring its weekend news show. he then became chief washington correspondent for nbc news where he co-anchored nightly news with tom brokaw and meet the press with connie chung. and mika, he lived in mclean, right by your parents. >> they were neighbors. >> a wonderful man. >> a wonderful man. and that question i think is also symbolic of just sometimes the magic of journalism is the

simplest of questions. and that became a pivotal moment for that time for the then potential candidate. go ahead, joe. >> were you going to say anything else? >> huh-uh. >> i want to go to mike barnicle really quickly. mike, that's just one of those moments in american politics, the kennedy moment, the ted kennedy moment, where, you know, you got to be prepared to answer the most basic of questions but also what a great lesson for every reporter from that time forward that sometimes the most effective questions are the simplest questions. unlike the -- >> obvious ones. >> 48 minute questions that i ask. sometimes you just go, why do you want to run for president? >> why? >> you know, actually joe you just got to it and mika just got to it and that was roger's background. roger began as a newspaper guy

in richmond, virginia. and as a very young guy. sometimes you have to climb the ten meant stairs and the door opens to tragedy and you say can you tell me what happened? pretty simple, pretty basic. that was roger mudd's key. he remains that way all the way through his career. he was still the roger mudd from richmond, virginia, what's going on kind of question. you're absolutely right. ask a simple, direct question, you get a simple, direct answer and that's the news of the day. >> so while we're talking about this, of course, the question asked to ted kennedy, you were obviously good friends with the massachusetts senator, knew him very well, since we're talking about it and we all love politics and all love history and this is now history, 1980, what was ted kennedy's explanation?

again, i read entire books about this. read george will's book that started with this question, i believe. what was ted kennedy thinking? what was he not thinking? why did he have so much trouble answering that question? >> you know, i don't think he was really thinking clearly. i think he was surrounded by a lot of people who felt that a window was closing on another kennedy presidency and he better hop in there right now against a weakened jimmy carter, jimmy carter was president obviously, and it was time to take on carter in the primaries, beat him in the primaries and certainly look at the republicans who are running, ronald reagan leading the republican pack for the presidency, george h.w. bush, you know right there neck in neck with ronald reagan. ted, you can beat both those guys. well, it turns out that the people around ted kennedy were so arrogant thinking that the country was just waiting for another kennedy presidency and many people perhaps were, but

the times had changed. it has been 15, 16 years since president kennedy had been assassinated in dallas. that's a lot of time, a lot of events that occurred. and you're going to take all of that into context when he was fumbling with an answer. he didn't have an answer. and that basically was the end of his presidency. you know, joe, it's not unlike what's happening today with the republican party. they are looking in the rear-view mirror as they talk about all the things they're talking about today. >> yeah. actually looking back to camelot in 1980 is just like the republican party looking back to the reagan era. and we've said it before -- >> yeah, yeah. >> fdr era was from '32 to 1980. and most i think political scientists believe that the era of ronald reagan went from 1980 to 2020. we don't know what's next. but what a fascinating campaign, willie, 1980 was.

i don't mean to go off too much on this but you had ted kennedy running against a weakened jimmy carter. everybody thought kennedy was going to come in and trounce carter. jimmy carter famously said, if he gets into the race i'm going to whip his tail. one of my favorite political cartoons ever, had the two raising their hands together at the democratic convention. and jimmy carter holding a whip behind his back that he took out on ted kennedy. and in fact, weakened jimmy carter did roar back and shock everybody. and beat ted kennedy but then went up against a guy in ronald reagan. it's hard for people to even imagine it now because ronald reagan has been so lyonized, but reagan was considered to be a joke, a b-list actor. a guy that was going to get routed if he made it through the

republican primary. chris matthews will tell you that the carter white house celebrated the night ronald reagan clinched the republican nomination because he was seen as being so weak. and the rest is, as they say, history. ronald reagan would have beaten anybody in 1980. that was on the democratic ticket. >> yeah, there's no question. it's hard tomorrow now because of the regularsy ronald reagan left and what a transformational figure he was in the republican party and the conservative movement but that he was considered a joke including by the man, the incumbent president he was running against. also if you read some of those books that you're talking about, part of the answer to why ted kennedy didn't have an answer for that question perhaps part of the answer in his mind was because i'm a kennedy, because i deserve to be president of the united states, because i'm next in line. and that he hadn't fully thought out while he ought to actually be president of the united states. so, yeah, jimmy carter held him off, perhaps didn't take ronald

reagan as seriously as he ought to have and the rest is history. >> yep. well, princeton university's eddie glaude jr. is still with us and also joining the conversation, we have former u.s. senator now nbc news and msnbc political analyst claire mccaskill and white house reporter for associated press jonathan lemire. we talked about your new reporting last hour, gop struggles to define biden turns into culture wars instead. and to illustrate your reporting, let's first show you democratic congressman tim ryan of ohio speaking on the house floor yesterday. take a look. >> mr. speaker, one of the earlier speakers said this is the most dramatic change in labor law in 80 years. and i say thank god. in the late '70s a ceo made 35 times the worker. today it's 3 to 400 times the

worker and our friends on the other side, running around with their hair on fire, heaven forbid we pass something that's going to help the damn workers in the united states of america. heaven forbid. we tilt the balance that has been going in the wrong direction for 50 years. we talk about pensions. you complain. we talk about the minimum wage increase. you complain. we talk about giving them the right to organize. you complain. but if we're passing the tax cut here, you would be getting in line to vote yes for it. now stop talking about dr. seuss and start working with us on behalf of the american workers. >> that's the thing. democrats are talking about a covid relief bill to help americans out, and they're complaining. they're talking about minimum wage increases, republicans are complaining. they're talking about helping unions organize more effectively, republicans are

complaining. and here is the fascinating thing, they're not talking about joe biden for the most part. they're talking about dr. seuss and mr. potato head. as willie confirmed last hour after getting news from the mr. potato head news desk, there's still actually a mr. potato head. so, goes back to what we were talking about in the campaign, jonathan, joe biden is not an easy target. donald trump tried nonstop to figure out a way to attack joe biden. he couldn't figure it out. and we started calling him teflon joe when he called that guy jack and fat out in iowa and his poll numbers went up. this is like reagan-esque teflon, man. and so republicans still can't figure out how to lay a glove on this guy. >> personal kudos to willie on that scoop and to you for

keeping that memory alive, joe. >> thank you, john. >> this has been a struggle for the republicans throughout. remember, during the campaign, they tried to paint biden as a socialist or a radical, that didn't work. they tried to attack his mental acuity. none of that moved anything just blew the light back on donald trump and remained the case in office. see it from republicans and fox news and news mask and other conservative outlets this talk on dr. seuss and mr. potato head. and the white house has smartly tried to not engage. that we have seen them not wade into these culture war issues. they're attempting to keep their focus simply on this bill, which is about to pass, about to be signed into law. $1.9 trillion and they're embracing the size of this bill and the impact it can make. and they just feel that there's no point in getting down into the mix. and to be clear, biden does not face inherently the racist attacks that barack obama faced, the sexist attacks that hillary clinton faced. and we're seeing the republicans

still target those two characters far more than biden. it was noteworthy the cpac convention where donald trump made his reemergence a couple weeks ago, the merchandise stands was all about obama and clinton. there was barely a mention of biden who they still can't figure out at this point. >> and again, it's not just about joe biden being a white man because when bill clinton was president, jerry fallwell accused him of being a murderer, put out video tapes, called the clinton chronicles. people accused bill clinton of killing his lawyer. they accused him of killing ron brown. these were -- this was mainstream conservative attacks. and with joe biden, you know, maybe they'll attack his german shepherd. i don't know. >> oh, i stand with major and champ. >> but claire mccaskill, it is

fascinating that americans know who joe biden is. he's been around for 40 years. you can't call the guy a socialist if he was attacked by democrats his entire life for being captive to credit card companies or being captive to the big banks. he's just americans seem to know this guy and seem to be comfortable with him. >> yeah. it turns out, too, joe that empathy is a pretty good measure of political armor. joe biden has been disciplined. his white house has been disciplined. this is all been not about him. he doesn't make this about him. it's all about the american people. it's all about the american worker. you look at this covid relief plan and hypocrisy around the price tag is just stunning. i mean, you and i have talked many times about how debt went out of the republican's vocabulary over the last decade

but this price tag on this bill is almost identical to the big tax bill that the republicans passed. but the big difference is who is going to get helped? it's going to be the vast majority of americans that get help from this bill, not the top 1%. so, biden is staying focussed on policies that help people. not on politics. and it turns out that that's a winning formula. if he keeps doing that, there's a bunch of policies they're going to push that have that same magic 70% support marker. if he keeps doing that, you're going to see us have a good mid term, not a bad mid term. >> yeah. by the way, phillip bump in the washington post has a great piece that looks at what people are getting in this bill as opposed to the tax bill. but what they're really going to get. and as far as joe biden being difficult for republicans to corner, there's nothing to corner. everyone knows who he is. they know he's a good man.

he's been around for a very long time, for decades. he's not perfect, made mistakes along the way, he doesn't deny that. he learned on the job as a politician and as a leader. he's a normal person with a family that has similar challenges to many other families. there's nowhere to go, joe, in terms of joe biden and how to attack him. there's no sharp edge that they can lob on to and just drive into the ground. and they're finding him hard to pinpoint because what he's working on is relief for the american people after four years of a republican president literally botching this entire pandemic and letting people die unnecessarily. >> well, if you want -- >> it's kind of a tough mountain to climb. >> follow up on what claire said, you also look at the difference between donald trump's major bill and joe biden's major bill where americans are getting relief and people who need help in this

covid crisis are getting help and you look at donald trump's tax cut. what did that do? >> right. >> that made billions and billions of dollars for mark zuckerberg. >> that's the article, yeah. >> it made billions and billions of dollars for jack dorsey. it made billions and billions of dollars for jeff bezos. it made billions and billions of dollars for bill gates. it made billions and billions of dollars for billionaires. and the .1%. so willie, there's such a stark contrast. one other thing happening here, too though and we're not used to it after four years of the last president and that is this is an extraordinarily disciplined operation. joe biden stood out of the way from election day, through january the 6th, through january the 20th, let donald trump take the entire stage, occupy all of the space in the media and he quietly prepared for his administration. there was no space for those stories about, well, is the hud

secretary designate ready to run hud? no, there were none of those stories that you usually have every transition because the biden team was so disciplined they just kept their head down and worked. they're still doing it. >> it's almost disoriented over the last four years when we had a president who gobbled up every last breath of oxygen. any free space, any quiet, donald trump filled that void with his voice or a tweet. now, we would like to hear more from the president of the united states. president biden still hasn't held a press briefing. there are a lot of questions to be asked of him directly. but obviously it's night and day from the last four years in terms of how they're rolling these things out. we had a poll number up just a minute ago, sam stein brought us politico morning consult poll out just this morning, 75% of americans now support this legislation. only 18% of americans oppose it. 59% of republicans support this bill as well. you're not going to get numbers like that on about anything in this country anymore.

but here is how senate minority leader mitch mcconnell is framing republican opposition to this bill. >> democrats inherited a turning tide, the vaccine trends and economic trends were in place before this bill was ever voted on, before this president was sworn in, but they're determined to push to the front of the parade with an effort to push america to the left. >> so eddie, the argument from republicans and it's not just mitch mcconnell, some republicans who bucked the party like adam kinzinger the republican of illinois said we were willing to make a smaller bipartisan deal targeting covid relief but so much of what's in this $1.9 trillion doesn't get at the problem in front of us. it gets at some other issues that democrats have long wanted to tackle and piled into this bill. >> well, look, they had four years to actually address the crisis in the country and we saw what happened. what happened is that we now

have over 530,000 americans dead. the scale of the crisis requires in some ways response at scale. and what we've seen, i think, over these last few months is that the republicans have been playing out of a play book for 12 years. it's a play book that has appealed to grievance, appealed to resentment, appealed to fears. and then covid hit. and covid was like a blue dye into the social and political body of america. and we saw where all the illnesses were located. and then, of course, people were suffering. they lost their jobs. were losing loved ones and the like. and so i think president biden and his administration has an opportunity to kind of get beyond this politics that have defined the country since 2008. because they're addressing issues that everyday ordinary americans are facing. that doesn't matter whether or not you're republican or democrat, it matters because you want to pay your rent. you want to keep food on the table. you want to get your kids to school. you want your grandma and your grandpa to stay alive.

those issues are hard core issues that go beyond the political play that mitch mcconnell is playing or this attempt to own the libs. and i think that's where we need to play. they're playing from an old play book like they want a big 7'0" center to get on the blocks and the game has moved to three-point shooting. still ahead on "morning joe," former president barack obama retweeted an interview with our next guest saying it included ideas worth considering. veteran of the obama presidential campaign david shore joins us next with his very revealing autopsy of the 2020 election. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. be right ba.

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24 past the hour, data analyst and veteran of the obama presidential campaign david shor made headlines with his autopsy of the 2020 election in which he detailed why president trump not only exceeded polling expectations once again but how the trump era as a whole was a great thing for the gop. he also put forth that democrats may have taken things too far with idealogically charged issues, like the defund the police and that as college educated white liberals continuesed to make up a larger share of democrats, they will keep pushing their party further to the left and end up alienating non-white conservative democrats. that's a lot. david joins us now to talk about it all. david, we'll read more of what you told new york magazine,

quote, over the last four years white liberals have become a larger and larger share of the democratic party. and that white liberals are to the left of hispanic democrats, but also of black democrats on defunding the police and those ideological questions about the source of racial inequity. >> so david, what's so fascinating about your autopsy and what you told new york magazine is it's what al franken -- not al franken -- what al sharpton has been saying on this show for a couple years. he talked about latte liberals and they don't really understand black voters. they're trying to understand black voters better. but it's also what i heard from a lot of republican strategists, i was trying to figure out what happened in florida. i was shock there was such a widespread. the very things you talk about in autopsy their numbers were showing them all along and they just played on that over and

over again. and they think that's why they won so big in florida. >> yeah. no, all of that is absolutely true. you know n talking about florida specifically, the numbers are absolutely crazy. you know, we fell something like 14% among hispanic voters in florida. that's not margin. that's percent. that means we fell 28% in margin. there are parts of florida where hillary clinton won by 40 points where donald trump won by 10. so i think the magnitude of these changes really suggest that the power -- that we have to do something. >> and david, what should be frightening for democrats is the fact that a lot of us right afterwards said, well, i said this. it must have been the cuban americans, it must have been those coming from venezuela, thosecolumbia, and i know the socialism argument played really well if you look at the inside numbers with a lot

of those hispanic voters, but as you and other people have pointed out, hispanics broke away from democrats even in states where there wasn't a lot of advertising, whether it was new york or california or massachusetts. >> yeah. absolutely. i think a lot of people wanted to dismiss this as regionally concentrated trend, but it was -- it's pretty clear that basically every place with large hispanic populations whether it's los angeles or new york or new jersey or rural massachusetts, there were really large swings. and i think that that points to this not being a question of whatsapp groups or advertising and instead really an issue that most latino voters identify -- not most but a very large fraction of latino voters identify as conservative, historically democrats won large margins among them and that's starting to change. they're starting to vote more like white conservatives and that's why we see this broad

regional trend. >> claire mccaskill is with us and has a question for you. claire? >> david, i was very enamored by this autopsy. i feel this autopsy where i live. and i think it's really important the hispanic democrat part of your autopsy, everyone needs to understand that the socialism thing really, really hurt us with hispanic voters. can you talk about the word socialism along obviously with the labeling of defund the police and how that impacted our losses that we were surprised by in heavily hispanic areas. >> sure. so since the election, you know, we surveyed thousands of hispanics after the election just to ask them why they were switching their votes and try to understand why. and we asked battery of issue questions, attitude, crime,

lockdown, came out strongly, attitudes towards police, attitudes towards safety and crime were strongly correlated with going from clinton to trump in 2020. something that's very interesting and seen in a bunch of different surveys hispanic women trended more toward trump than hispanic men. a lot of people talk about ma cheese moe, but that's a really strong polling generally shows women are more concerned about crime, more concerned about policing and the fact that we see this big subgroup that i think really does strongly suggest that defund the police had a strong impact on our hispanic support. >> eddie glaude. >> hi, david. i'm really fascinated by this autopsy report in a number of ways. i would be interested in you disaggregating the numbers we know there's a differentiated category and fall along different lines talking about

cubans, puerto ricans. talk a little more about non-conservative black voter. non-how did you put it non-white conservative black voters. and this defund the police slogan because there is a sense in which you tend to associate it with white latte liberals as al and joe describe them, but it actually comes out of grass roots organizing. i'm thinking about critical existence, the grass roots law project. talk a little more about how this slogan kind of impacted voter behavior in the election. >> you know, i definitely don't want to suggest in any way that defund the police was concocted by white people. obviously it was a function of activists on the ground. but i think it is true that the broader progressive ecosystem, organizations like nextgen or have ended up coopting a lot of these slogans and trying to coopt a lot of the energy on the ground and that ended up associating the brand of the

democratic party with the defund the police. in polling that we've done, something like a third of independent voters thought that joe biden wanted to defund the police. like if you -- just a broader trend, ticket splitting is way lower than it was ten years ago. and that means that people no longer view individual candidates as individual candidates. they see every candidate as part of this bigger ideological blob. and if large swaths of the democratic, liberal, ideological blob are saying we need to defund the police, there's only so much joe biden himself can do and joe biden maybe he can do something but if you're a house member or senate person, you have no ability and no oxygen to distinguish yourself from the rest of the party. >> david, it's willie, i want to ask you about immigration with respect to hispanic voters. i think a lot of democrats make the assumption we're on the right side of the immigration issue therefore we should get latino voters on our side. but as you point out in your research and in that interview, that article, latino voters are

by and large for legal immigration. they don't want illegal immigration. they waited in line. they did it the legal way. how do latino voters look at immigration as you study it and how do they flip in 2020 because of it if they did. >> that's a great questions. . hispanic voters are more liberal than white voters. pew did a great survey couple years ago they asked people do you think we should normalize relations, give people a path to citizenship and deport people. only 52, 53% of hispanic voters wanted to give illegal immigrants undocumented immigrants path to citizenship. i think the community is more divided on this than people realize. and i think something that's really clear in all of our polling and public polling is that hispanic voters very few hispanic voters list immigration as their top issue.

3% said immigration was their top issue. i think we essentialize hispanic voters a little bit into thinking they're going to be monolithically driven by that. >> a.p. jonathan lemire is with us and has a question. >> hey, david. it became a cliche after 2016 these deep dives at diners across the midwest and other places of the country talking to white working class voters, that's key part of this the white working class voters who defected away from the democratic party and moved to donald trump. in your breakdown of 2020, this much ballyhooed group, what did you learn about where they went, how many of them may have come back and how many may be gone forever for democrats? >> that's a great question. so just to put numbers on this, roughly 1 in 10 white working class white voters ended up switching their vote in 2012 from obama to trump. so we're looking at 1 in 10

people. of that 10% in 2018 about 30% of them voted for democrats and then in 2020 about 10% of them did. so we lost 10% in 2018. we gained 3 or 4% back and in 2010 we only gained 1% back. so, roughly 90% of the people who went from obama to trump still are republicans. but biden did manage to win about 1 in -- 1% of them. >> so david, as i said before, a lot of what you're saying i was hearing from republicans one of the top republican data people in the state of florida who i've been talking to since 2000 recount, that long, and -- well, he always gets it right. he always says this is who is going to win and this is how much they're going to win by so i learned to trust him through the years. a week out when i was seeing joe biden up four points in florida. how is it going? you're not going to tell me trump is going to win florida.

oh, yeah, it's not even close. i'm like, why and he talked about socialism. he said it's really working well. that message is working well. he talked about defunding the police. especially in miami dade. he said a lot of cops, a lot of firefighters, a lot of retired cops and firefighters in miami dade. but then he said a third one which i know this is going to make a lot of people angry, but he said the nfl. he said the -- i said what do you mean the nfl. i had forgotten about the nfl controversy. about kneeling and the american flag. but they had not forgotten about the nfl controversy and actually used it as a wedge issue quietly under the radar, which was shocking to me until i started calling some people and started hearing that back. but, it brings up a point that

you say that that blind sided me would blind side most people in the media but you had a line in this article where you said that white liberals are more progressive than black and hispanic voters on most issues. and then you said including race and including other issues involving race. can you get into that a little bit and how maybe that's why not only the democrats but people in the media like me were blind sided by some of these crazy election results like in the state of florida. >> yeah. this is a great question. so, in political science people talk a little bit about the great awokening that after 2014 white liberals became much, much more liberal on racial issues. and something that's really interesting about that is they didn't just become much more

liberal than they were on a lot of different measures of rashry sentiment, questions like do you believe that discrimination is the reason why african-americans can't get ahead? or questions like that. white liberals not just become much more liberal than they have ever been for 40 years in many cases they've become more liberal definitely than hispanic democrats and many cases more liberal than black democrats which does call into question what these academic racial resentment questions actually mean but it means that i think the way that white voters now think about racism or at least white liberal voters think about racism is very highly ideological. and there's a lot of ideological underpinnings to how they view systemic racism and all these other things that large fractions of black and hispanic voters don't agree with. and i think that -- go ahead. yeah. >> no, no, no. and it really explains why i know many times on the show i

would say -- i would site polls that show majority of americans think donald trump is a racist. while he was president of the united states. so, you see those polls, but then see that he picked up plus nine among hispanic voters and plus three or so with black voters, david. again, there seems to be this massive disconnect but you say that white liberals are looking at even racial resentment differently than a lot of hispanic and black voters. >> i actually have a great piece of data there. we did a very large survey a couple years ago and we had enough black republicans that we were able to actually ask. do you think that donald trump is racist? and something i thought was really interesting was that about 30% of black voters who were going to vote for donald trump agreed that donald trump was racist. and they still were voting for him any way. and so i think this gets to this -- i think that a lot of

white liberals, like myself, kind of see politics as this jod against racism one way or the other. and i think that non-white voters are -- i don't want to speak for them, but i think are not as shocked by the concept that there are old racist white people who are in charge of things. it's not as central a driver as how they see the world as i think some of these more leftist white people can see things. >> all right. head of data science at the progressive non-profit company open labs, david shor, thank you very much. fascinating conversation. >> it was great. thank you, david. >> we appreciate it. coming up, donald trump continues his efforts to remain an influential force in republican politics. doubling on his calls to donate to him rather than the gop. "morning joe" is back in a moment. back in a moment

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it is 44 past the hour. welcome back to "morning joe." former president trump is doubling down on calls for his supporters to donate to him, to him, instead of the republican party. he put out a statement yesterday saying in part this -- i fully support the republican party and important gop committees, but i do not support rinos and fools. and it is not their right to use my likeness or image to raise funds. if you donate to our save america pac at donaldj.trump.com you're helping the america first movement and you're doing it right. "the new york times" notes that this could give him a stream of money at a time when his private companies struggling under the scrutiny of investigations with some discussions of whether properties need to be sold. the former president could in theory pay himself and his

family members salaries from the money raised there. >> there are no restrictions on that type of money or very few restrictions. >> this is right when people are getting stimulus checks. is he asking for money to be sent to him. joining us now national political report for the new york times elena plot. her latest piece is entitled "josh hawley is not going anywhere, how did he get here" and working another piece of the future of the gop through the lens of what is happening in texas. great to have you. >> thanks so much for being here. your writing on cpac was really explains a lot of what donald trump is doing right now. you start out with tom cotton trying to be trump, hitting all the right notes, and you say it just completely fell flat. and basically said that for those who were the most ambitious, they just weren't connecting. and somebody said it's like

hellman's mayonnaise, it's either the real thing or it's not. donald trump is saying i'm the real thing. give me your money. based on your reporting, do you think it's going to work? >> you know, it's interesting, joe, is i was talking last night to an rnc official asking if they were worried about this. and i'm actually surprised by the degree to which so many of my sources in these various republican committees are interested to see what donald trump's pacs first filing looks like because they're wondering if a plea like this may, in fact, indicate that they're not getting the steady stream of donations that perhaps he presumed he would. and you have to remember, too, joe, donald trump doesn't have the platform that he once did. he can no longer fire off a tweet with the donation link in the way he would in the past. he now just has really save america pac emails to the extent that people do still continue to receive those emails. my sources say he's not

especially willing to travel and do rallies or anything like that to the extent that he used to. so, his platform has shrunk considerably for even soliciting these donations. and you know, as i said, i do have sources wondering if a plea like this might indicate that come time for these filings to be revealed we might be a bit surprised by the fact that the rnc is actually doing just fine even despite these interjections. >> huh. all right. mike barnicle is with us and has a question. mike? >> elaina, i'm wondering in your discussions with these various gop officials as well as your sources, what is the level of understanding of how much america has changed during this covid era? given a year's worth of isolation, lack of socialization, offices closed, schools closed, where is my vaccine the most prominent question asked. and then they look at the gop and what's going on with the biden administration and they

see that the gop appears to be in the know business and the biden administration appears to be here is help on the way business. are they aware of the depth of what's happening around them in america? >> it's such a great question, mike. and to go back to cpac for a minute. one of the most salient impressions i think i got by the end of that conference is how in many ways it could have been the very same one held in 2020 or 2019 which is to say before the pandemic, before, you know, a national reckoning on race, before in many ways one of the most defining years in certainly our life times in american history. and you know, as i said, the degree to which going to these different panels there was really no interest in probing the depth of these issues. there's certainly nothing new as

you put it about the gop being a party of know when a democrat is in the white house. what i think is different this time is a lack of engagement really with what most americans are grappling with day to day. the most prominent grab pling with things hike the stimulus package, i heard that mentioned not once on a single panel. every single house republican was coming out against it. this was something about to pass in the house. no voter i spoke to at cpac spoke about it. no politician or activist on a panel spoke about it. >> reading about your piece on josh hawley, it's clear he sees himself as an heir to to thrown

legacy. so many have learned from trump to always be seen as fighting, to always be seen as talking about dr. seuss, pretending radical left takeover of america. what do you see in the republican party in terms of these mini trumps who are coming up, pulling it off better than others. it is a little rich for josh hawley to be seen as this undering to fighting for the aggrieved. >> because the desire to be seen as a fighter is the biggest point for any trump successor at this point, every republican seems to be looking for a data point they can use to flush out their identity beyond the fact they supported donald trump. that's an interesting point when you think about somebody like mike pence. one of the reasons he was so

popular is because in the midst of the things like the "access hollywood," he to do by trump. that was a moment where intense loyalty to trump was not so common. at this point it is not so much kmepgsal but expected, which is to say if you're tom cotton or mike pompeo, to say you are loyal to donald trump is not interesting. i think josh hawley has really viewed the fact he was the first senate republican to announce his intent to object to the certification of vice president. i think that's layered dimension to his identity now that he hopes to double down now. joe mentioned, for example, the fact that tom cotton's speech landed flat with the audience. that's because he didn't have that data point i mentioned to

cling to to say here is the actual way i decided to fight for you. >> then there is this after censuring liz cheney, republicans seem to be going one step further. state lawmakers are considering changing election law that could make it harder for her to win another term next year. the wyoming senate is set to hold a committee vote on thursday on legislation that would require run-off contests after a primary election if no kond date wins a majority, a prospect that could doom ms. chaney after forcing her to a contest loyal to president donald j. trump. claire mccaskill, your thoughts? >> liz cheney has been the profiling courage during this

whole insurrection at the capitol, and she has continued to stay strong. i'm curious in elena believes the vote that was garnered in secret if that is going to translate to stopping this legislation in wyoming designed to bring her to her knows. it is really startling that you are not hearing from the senators in wyoming right now about this particular legislation because it could doom all of them in future years if they're not careful. >> senator mckas kill, such a great point. you noted, with good reason, that that initial vote was done in secret. at this point i don't know how that would transfer to an on record vote.

what i can say is that the base, at least based on my interactions with dozens of voters at cpac is far more animated by antichaney or antibiden sentiment. i spoke to one woman who for years as run a trump merchandise store she's taken from rally to rally. her next move is to set up a store in wyoming and call this store bye bye liz. this is a republican. this is a trump supporters. there is really not a lot of sentiment in the base right now about proposing alternatives. it is very much about eating their own right now and liz cheney is the primary target for that. to the extent that that continues to be a lightening rod within the party, i think you will find a lot of members of

congress hard pressed to really champion legislation that would help her and push back on legislation that would hurt her. >> all right. thank you so much and most importantly roll tide. >> yes. >> there you go. >> absolutely. >> tuscaloosa native. thank you so much. so jonathan lemire, just talk about where the republican party is. and those are some fascinating insights. you go back and read her article about cpac and see tom cotton desperately trying to get the crowd going. they're getting more and more extreme. miikka just found a quote that mike lee gave. and respond to this. this is, again, more cat in the hat stuff. >> this is what he says. this is a bill as if written in

hell by the devil himself. >> so, jonathan, they're saying that satan drafted -- mike lee is saying satan drafted a bill that's meant to get more americans involved in democracy. >> that's an unlikely move for lucifer. but we're seeing their inability to hit on biden resulting in culture war issues. with the trump said, clearly right now winning. burr those embracing the mantle of trump are frozen in place because they don't know what the former president is going to do. trump has made clear to advisers he's in no rush to make a decision as to whether or not he will run again in 2024. if the party keeps on moving

that much more to the right, yes, it will electrify his base, but it will be harder and harder to win national elections particularly, and this is where the white house thinking comes in, if joe biden and his team keep delivering. widespread approval rate not just for biden himself, which is a higher mark than trump ever reached but the legislation about to be signed into law law later this week. they believe they could use momentum for that. biden will be speaking in prime time later this week. he will pivot forward and suggesting the work to be done to come out of this. we will see him hit the road, do that news conference, address congress and so on. this will give them energy into the next part of their agenda, things like immigration, voting rights and a massive infrastructure and jobs bill.

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march 2020 week two, everyone is getting mask fever. like former governor sara pallen seen here singing about her moist alaska bottom. president trump shakes hands in florida, lots and lots of hands. but don't worry about that pesky coronavirus. >> we're doing a great job with it, and it will go away. just stay calm. >> really?

because it feels like it is getting out of control. >> tom hanks got it. arenas are empty and people are buying toilet paper like hot cakes. >> stay calm. >> phew! no reason to panic. >> why the mass hysteria over the coronavirus if it's far more lethal to have the flu? >> right. >> why do you think there is this reaction we see everywhere. >> it is actually the safest time to fly. >> all i know is things are looking up. >> the virus will not have a chance against us. no nation is more prepared or more resilient than the united states. >> thank you for your confidence, mr. president. >> this has been "this week in covid history". >> willie, i mean, a year later

it is -- >> i'm not ready to laugh yet. >> it is really stark to see. >> 530,000 deaths later. it was march 11th last year when everything seemed to tilt on its access, when tom hanks and his wife announced they had covid. the president gave that address from the oval office. the nba yanked two teams off the court because there was a positive test. today was the day when the gravity of what was in front of us really began to set in, but we couldn't imagine more than half a million people dead, our economy would crater a facing m problems we faced a year ago. >> and our life chang so dramatically and in some ways will never change back. but the coronavirus has crushed so many people financially.

>> yeah. >> people who were perfectly fine, who were thrown off the grid, so to speak, and our social norms. i mean, who knows if we'll ever shake hands again to an extent because we have learned so much. and we have learned so much about simple things like the flu, which hasn't happened as much this year because of the social distancing guidelines that have followed by most and especially in this new administration as they try and tackle the coronavirus. along with joe, willie and me, we have professor at prince university, eddy glog jr., anna palmer. this house is expected to vote today on president biden's relief package, debate on the bill. it is scheduled to begin just after 9:00 a.m. timing is fluid given that republicans may try to flow the process with procedural delays.

aimed to get the bill to president biden's desk so he could sign it before unemployment programs expire this sunday. >> you brought more polls with you showing again how wildly popular this bill is. >> yeah. we have a new poll up just now, a political morning council poll. it's almost -- you rarely see legislation this popular. 18% opposition. you break it down by party affiliation. even 59% of self-identified republicans saying they support this bill. only 35% of republicans oppose. the independent numbers are even better than that. if you go down further, 45% say it is the right amount. 25% wish this bill was bigger, that it offers too little support. so you have seen president biden say the risk is that we don't do

enough. people wish he went further than this. it has immense popularity. in the white house i remember talking to an adviser who was wondering if republicans would recognize it and some would vote for it because of the political advantageousness of it. but we saw that republicans will oppose this in mass, calculating that there is more political upside to being in the opposition to this one. right now it looks like a fairly risky bet considering how this is polling and how people want even more. >> you know, eddy, i just keep going back to the fact that republicans seem to be tearing a page out of a play book from 2009 where they think they're going up against barack obama and they don't understand that they have been playing this game for 11 years. and americans understand they will be against things.

other than huge tax cuts for billionaires and multinational corporations, they really, all they have done is say no over the past 11 years. and in this case, you have got a bill that's wildly popular. they're going to be against a bill that 76% of americans support. their next fight is going to be to stop the expansion of democracy, to do everything they can to stand like wallace in the schoolhouse door, except this time to stand in the door of voting precincts to stop americans from voting. this is a losing proposition for them, and i'm surprised there is not one republican in the senate that understood this and voted for this popular bill. >> yeah, joe. i think you're absolutely right. you have been describing them as the modern day version of the know nothings. i think that's absolutely on

point. what's different than the obama years of course is that 530,000 americans are dead but the popularity of the relief package has everything to do with the suffers in the country. what you see among republicans is in some ways a desire to consolidate or at least to try to address the deep fissures in the party by owning the libs becomes the way to deal with the civil war in the party. trying to do with that, joe, it seems like they're not addressing the suffering in the country. i don't think this is a wise political calculation. i understand it. but it is also what the republican party has morphed into, i believe. >> and, willie, eddy brings up such a great point, that you have people who now support donald trump, most of the republican party, and they will say things like they support what he believes in, what he stands for or just that he fights for us. >> right. >> he fights against nancy

pelosi. he fights against liberals. he fights against cnn. he fights against msnbc, new york times, you name it, whoever. their entire philosophy has been boiled down to, well, actually, not a philosophy just sort of a spasm. it is what do we do to own the libs. and it's really -- i mean, we're going to show a clip in a minute of tim ryan talking about all the things that the democratic party is doing right now that republicans support, that independents support, that democrats support. >> yeah. >> and while they're doing that, and while they're doing that, you know, republicans, republican leaders, are reading "cat in the hat." it has really gotten preposterous. >> you're right. it is all own the libs, lean into culture war issues at the

expense of legislation, the one that has 75% right now. you mentioned tim ryan of ohio. he was on the house floor yesterday during a debate over an expansion of labor rights, the biggest since the new deal, in fact. to your point, he went through the laundry list of things that he says republicans oppose that workers need. >> mr. speaker, one of the earlier speakers said this is the most dramatic change in labor law in 80 years, and i say, thank god. in the late '70s a ceo made 35 times the worker. today it's three to four hundred times the worker. and our friends on the other side running around with their hair on fire. heaven forbid we help something that will help the damn workers in the united states of america. heaven forbid we tilt the balance that has been going in

the wrong direction for 50 years. we talk about pensions, you complain. we talk about the minimum wage increase, you complain. we talk about giving them the right to organize, you complain. but if we are passing a tax cut here, you would all be getting in line to vote yes for it. now stop talking about dr. seuss and start working with us on behalf of the american workers. >> that passed the house, by the way. five republicans joined democrats. let's look at this big picture. to joe's point about why they're opposing this legislation. it's a liberal wish list for nancy pelosi getting everything she wanted. but it is a 75% popular bill that americans are waiting for and have been waiting for for a long time to get their lives back on track. what is the calculation by republicans to oppose this unanimously? >> i think republicans made the

calculation that they need to find something to rally around. in the post donald trump era, the republicans are in an existential crisis, documented all the time on this show and trying to find a way around the concept that they are going to be against this bill. they decided to find reloig onagain on spending. we tallied this morning that the spending on covid relief, the $5.5 trillion, that's more historically than what was spent in world war ii, than what was spent across massive, massive government programs. this is one of the arguments you will see republicans make, that it's too spendly and too costly. >> they don't call him teflon joe for nothing. why republicans are struggling to define the president like they did barack obama and hillary clinton. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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a fascinating thing has been happening to joe biden's new administration. and the attacks we talk about dr. seuss but, you know, instead of attacking joe biden, the usual suspects are attacking the estate of dr. seuss for deciding what books they don't want to put out. they're attacking disney because of -- of things that disney is doing. i mean, they're not even

attacking the government. and they certainly aren't attacking joe biden. you know, we were joking about calling him teflon joe after that iowa incident where he appeared to call a voter fat and "jack," and his poll numbers went up. we were like, okay, this guy is teflon joe. >> because he's nice. >> you know, it was maddening to donald trump throughout the entire campaign. he couldn't find something that stuck on joe biden so he tried to attack his family. nobody cared. that didn't stick on joe biden either. and so now these republicans -- the majority leader -- listen, minority leader of the republican party reading dr. seuss. listen, i had problems with newt gingrich when he was speaker of the house, but usually we were fighting about spending cuts, not whether newt was reading dr.

seuss while the most popular book in history was being read to democrats. >> two things in play here. one, donald trump has changed the landscape where in the past it made sense for republicans to go off on overspending on government programs, you know, donald trump was unorthodox to say the least. he was a big spending republican. he cut checks for people in the covid pandemic. he's actually currently still going after mitch mcconnell for not cutting bigger relief checks. that makes it hard for republicans to turn around and accuse joe biden of mishandling the pandemic. that's one issue right here. i think the other thing is this relief bill is sort of simplistic. it throws money at a problem. vaccines, schools, states and people who are unemployed. whereas in 2009 when obama was doing stimulus, that was coming

right at the tail end of the term when we were bailing out banks and republican institutions. that was a rallying cry that broke the tea party. you are helping the bad actors that got us into this crisis. the bad actor that got us into this crisis is a crisis. i think that becomes really difficult for republicans to use. now they turn to things that galvanize their base like dr. seuss and the gender of mr. potato head and all sorts of things -- >> it's ludicrous. >> listen to what you're saying. hey, listen to what you're saying. >> yeah. >> it's crazy, i know. >> i know! we are talking about the worst pandemic in over a century. we're talking about, willie, more deaths than americans endured in world war ii.

we're trying to help americans out. donald trump wants to give people $2,000. joe biden is giving them $1,400. republicans want to talk about dr. seuss and mr. potato head and how hasbro or whoever makes mr. potato head took off the mr. do you know what's more stupid? is the republican party talking about this instead of talking about the greatest health crisis and the greatest economic crisis we have been in in a very long time. >> yeah. we're laughing not because it's funny but because it's so absurd, actually. by the way, the mr. potato thing, we've spent enough time on it for one morning. to your point, this has been a long problem for them going back

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26 passed the hour. beautiful shot of the white house. the biden administration is working to keep up with border patrol stations overcrowded with children admitted to the country who were kept out by the trump administration. and while that changes what the

biden administration has made in the name of a more humanitarian system, many migrants remain in limbo. we traveled to the border this week. >> it is definitely confusing. we're going to see for ourselves. >> an activist took us around the corner. >> they have come here. we'll be able to tell them how they can actually have right to silo. in most cases, unfortunately, our answer is there are no options at the moment. >> what you are looking at right there is a table set up by activists, people trying to get information about how, if at all, the policies under the

biden administration are different than under the trump administration. refugees from all over the world made their way to this square. many are survivors of the earthquake that killed hundreds of thousands and don't have a pathway to asylum in the united states. >> they simply come here to ask for information. they are all confused. >> you see the biden administration saying we will have a fair and safe and human system that will be a departure from trump. most, if not all of these people have been and will be under the same system they were under trump under biden. >> at the other end of the information kiosk, this attorney was handing out information flyers to migrants from other countries. >> i heard today the homeland

secretary say what we're doing is a big departure from the trump administration. >> not much has changed from trump. >> beyond those already on the border, draught and famine are worsen ever. twice as many people they surveyed are planning to migrate compared to 2018. >> how about recent arrivals. they keep saying, don't come. are there people that have just arrived here. >> the vast amount of people have been in tijuana for a year at sometimes two. i have met 10% of the people are recent arrivals. >> how long have you been in the united states? >> for two years. >> one year. one year. >> a year. >> the majority of them have been anywhere between a year to two and a half years.

>> jacob joins us now live. jacob, it is good to see you. the biden administration would answer the question posed there and say we're 50 days in. we're shifting through the wreckage of the trump era policies, the family separation and all the things you have been covering for years. but is it beginning to change. is there hope on the horizon for all those people who are standing waiting sometimes for two years to get into the country? >> i think the reality is, willie, not yet. and that is not surprising, quite frankly. there has been a lot of focus and rightly so on the kids where the conditions are horrendous, frankly, not meant for children. and that's what the biden administration means when they say most of the migrants are still being kept out. that's the truth.

when it comes to black migrants, these migrants from african countries are being departed in large numbers. haitians are being deported at a rate of a thousand alone. i asked the secretary about that. he said, basically, they are using the tools that were left by the trump administration to deal with people that are crossing the border. that's the reality right now. activists are pushing back and saying all these folks should be dealt with. they should be dealt with humanely and as quickly as possible. >> jacob, you know how these organizations work very well. what is reasonable for americans to expect in terms of change, things that can be changed and how fast they can be changed so we don't have scenes like the one we saw in your report? >> yeah. i think it is a great question, willie. we're dealing with decades of punitive-based immigration policy not based in welcoming

and humanitarianism and the international concept of letting people come to seek asylum. people coming to the border has changed over the last decade and the biden administration pledged to upgrade the immigration system to meet that reality, but it could take months, if not years, for them to deal with that in a way that deals with everybody around the southern border. this is not a county, the projection from world food program, from dhs itself that there will be a record number of migrants coming, things that we have discussed over the years. it is a big, big task. >> eddy? >> hi, jacob. as always, just so wonderful for you to have your reporting on this issue. >> thanks, eddy. >> are you seeing the beginnings of a shift in the actual policy or the approach to immigration? or is this simply just lipstick

on a big because we need to understand. do you see the beginnings of a shift or are they putting lipstick on what we have seen over the last 8 to 12 years. >> certainly with the separation task force, the intention from the women's refugee commission to all of those separated children absolutely. when it comes to this rhetoric of creating a fair, safe, equitable system, those are the right signs and we are hearing the right things coming out of the white house. i would say there is only cautious optimism from advocates and activists. i'll give you one example. secretary told me a family detention center is no place for mothers, fathers and their children. they don't want to be detaining families that come here. ice officials saying for the time being that's the way it is going to be. this is a systemic issue that is

not something that is going to be solved with rhetoric. it will be solved with work and action. in some areas we are seeing it. in other areas they're saying give us some time. they're dealing with the children first, unwrap the situation that trump left us. it is not just trump. it is the obama immigration policy, it is the bush immigration policy, all based on punishing people, scaring them away for trying to come to the united states. >> all right. thank you very much for your reporting this morning. senator corey booker in new jersey, senator, it seems like with these short-term solutions on the border because not a lot has changed for people. >> we still have a humantorian crisis. i have been down there and met with people that really have suffered as a result of american policy whether it's trump's

remain in mexico policy that had women surviving severe sexual assault. i met with some of them unable to get in. i escorted five into our country to force the hand of the trump administration to give the asylum process. but i'm encouraged by joe biden. i'm encouraged that he understands that the majority of people who do not need to be in detention facilities, families children, that in fact the obama administration got near 99% compliance of families abiding by our court systems by allowing them to be sort of met with family guidance, folks who gave them support during their time of crisis. they complied with our law. there is a way to do this that's humane that protects people who are in danger. >> senator, thanks so much for being with us. i was -- i saw news earlier this morning come across the wire

that our economic growth because of this bill actually could be above 6%, may be the fastest growth since 1983. i am sure you have heard some concerns about news. yeah. we will take 6% growth over 1.5% growth any day of the week. do you have any concerns about inflation, any concerns about debt down the road, or do you think we're going to keep moving forward and avoid any inflation in the years to come? >> let me put a finer point on what you said. just revised its guidelines on what plan toir economic growth is going to be because of this rescue plan.

they say it could double, affecting the economics of our entire world. this $1.9 trillion is about the same size as the republican tax cut plan, which is $1.9 trillion as well and gave the overwhelming majority of the benefits, 65% of the top earners in america. this is a plan that american tax policy chose that would give working americans, really, the benefit. so am i concerned with inflation? of course. everyone should be concerned in general with inflation. but right now when we have an unprecedented economic health crisis, it necessitates an unprecedented response. and this is a finely tailored bill to focus on what the hurt is. i know my republican colleagues -- i'm almost stunned they're saying this is not a targeted bill. this is mirroring the recovery plan, the cares act, that the

republicans all voted for. from its business supports to its cash payments to state and local aid, it really is a mirror bill putting resources out there. so this is the right resources that we need at the right time to help americans where we have 40% of american families with children are food insecure right now and do not know how they will pay for the basic needs of their families. this is a bill that will meet this crisis and unlike their tax plan it will help our overall economy grow not just in a greater way but also in a way that more evenly affects the entire population. >> it's willie geist. so good to see you this morning. these numbers are so big, $1.9 trillion, it can be extract. let's bring it down to the street level. we can talk about our state, what this means for patterson or newark or cape may. what does it mean to a small

business owner? what does it mean to somebody out of work for a year? all of this money, where is it going and how soon can people get their hands on it? >> as you know i live in a great city called newark, new jersey. so i know families. there is a family i know running a bodega. they have young children. they will see a significant increase of their child tax credit. they're struggling to make it. if you have four kids, that can be an extra $1,600 for the year for those children which is a significant benefit that will actually cut child poverty in this country in half and help working class people. in addition to that, they're now eligible for targeted small business growth. they're a minority small business which is disproportionately left out of the relief acts.

now they have local financial institutions targeted to help them. in addition to that, they will get $1,400 checks to help them. they could see their income go up 20% and their struggling small business get the lifeline they need until we get out of this dark tunnel. that is pretty significant help for people on the ground across cities like newark, patterson, suburban towns in new jersey. >> eddy has a question. >> good morning, senator booker. always good to see you. i got a two part question. one is that we need to see -- of course we need to see this legislation as historic in all of its details. but of course there is still a lot of work to be done. what are the next steps? what do we need to address those poor low wealth americans out there. where do you stand on narrowing the filibuster. we know we have future legislation around $15 minimum

wage. what is your position around the filibuster in the senate? >> eddy, my friend, my mentor, my brother, you know from my private conversations i am tired of seeing in the last really since the reagan era my country drive economic disparities in ways that have just not seen since the guilded age and shortchanged the kinds of things we know grow our country and make us more competitive. anybody that has traveled through europe and asia and comes back and compares our infrastructure. runs half an hour slower than it did in the 1960s, while china has built 18,000 miles of high speed rail. we have the highest child mortality rates, highest maternal mortality rates. we went from being the number one country on the planet for

percentage of its population graduating from college to now not even in the top ten because we have been raising the cost of college and all of our competitors have been lowering it. we need to get our economy back into investing in people, in infrastructure and education and get back to leading this planet. this president has said that he wants to do that in another major plan that will invest in us from our electrical grid, from our roads and bridges to people. we need to make the child tax credit cut permanent and liberate our children from the violence of poverty. and, yeah, the filibuster is going to be a cross roads for our country. this is not left or right anymore because this plan we did is overwhelmingly popular with the majority of republicans. donald trump has scratched the old republican record and cracked it. and many republicans, i'm not talking about the ones i serve

with in the senate, but they're saying, wait a minute, too many of our children are falling behind to the trap of poverty. we should have a child allowance like all of our competitors. wait a minute. the cost is college is too great. we saddled the next generation with more than $1 trillion of debt. i think it will be a defining debate for our party, whether we want to deliver the real results or will we have americans to grow up washing our hands thinking washington doesn't work so i will surrender to cynicism about activist and politics. we need to deliver on the demands not of democrats but of americans who want to see their government function in a highly competitive world where we should not be outdone by china who are building better than we

are right now in terms of investing in their economy and getting things done. >> corey, we had -- you and i had a conversation probably six months ago. it was on instagram live. you talked about your faith. you talked about mindfulness. you talked about all the things that you did to try to level you and to try to help you get along with your colleagues in the senate and others who you might disagree with. you talked about how important that was to you. and i -- you know, i struggle, and i have struggled for a long time to do that as well. sometimes i don't do as well as other times. sometimes i get really angry. i'm just wondering, though, let's take a guy like mike lee. i have known mike for quite a while. i like mike. i respect him. i have always had a good relationship with him. heck, i have known lindsey since

1994. i mean, i know a lot of the people that are your colleagues, and they're friends that i have known and loved. but mike lee, here is a good example of a guy that, you know, couple of years ago seemed a little more rational in his political talk. but he's called hr-1, he's described this bill that i think most persons will see is actually allowing more people to be involved in the democratic process, allow more people to vote, allow more people to have access without waiting in lines for hours to vote. he called hr-1 a bill from like the gates of hell itself written by the devil. now i'm just wondering how -- how do you sort through this when you have got a colleague, a guy that you know, a guy that i'm sure you like, a guy that

you respect but he's actually talking about a bill that would help black americans and hispanic americans and underrepresented americans actually be able to vote, be able to get more involved in this process. how do you bridge that wide of ady vid when republicans are working overtime to actually make it harder for americans to vote? >> it's hard to hold often competing philosophies in your mind and try to reconcile them. when it comes to defending fundamental rights from voting rights or defending against poverty, i will stand my ground. but you can never stop working to find that common ground as well, to love someone despite your differences, despite your belief in the core of the soul that they are wrong and hurting people to never stop loving them because that love will keep a door open to find some ways to work together during the long 24

hour time on the floor. mike lee came to the democratic side, pulled out a chair and sat, flopped right down in the middle of a walk way to talk to me and to talk to me about common ground that he and i share on criminal justice reform. mike and i fervently disagree, but i -- i am challenged every day never to stop loving him and to keeping the civility necessary. we are in a culture right now where we demonize each other, we rip each other down, we manufacture outrage when someone says something stupid and every one of us having this conversation have said bone headed things. love is not soft. it is the most challenging philosophy to live by. it is difficult. it is hard. it is uncompromising. and right now this country, we, every single day, fuel our internet platforms, we get more people to watch our shows,

corporations get rich off of making us hate each other and it is decimating our society. if we do a better way of rising to this call of our country that things will change bigger than we think. i will give you the last example of that because, you know, a lot of people are elected in the capitol right now that feed off of that outrage and that hate that often turns people off that then don't participate in our politics. i think the republican party is -- there is a lot of good republicans out there that want to see change that aren't engaged in politics. the system, as martin luther king's most loving letter i've read, he was firing those missiles not at the white supremacists but about people that do nothing. it is about nothing that republicans and democrats who have opted out because they don't like the politics in their party to lean in more.

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the surgery will work safely as intended. >> on youtube this surgeon claims he did something no other scientist in the world has. >> the two came crying into the world as healthy as any other babies a few weeks ago. >> twin girls he says from an embeeio that was genetically edited, part of a spirit aimed at protecting children from ever

catching hiv. a technology used crispr was used that allows hiv to enter a cell. but the approach, restricted in the u.s. and much of europe, drew an international outcry. >> wow. that was from a 2018 "nightly news" report that aired the day after he announced he used crispr technology to genetically modify human twins. this week we're discussing the revolutionary breakthrough and one of the nobel prize-winning scientists who discovered it. joining us now is the professor's biographer at tulane university, walter isaacson. his new book is titled "the code breaker: gene editing and the future of the human race."

also with us carl zimmer, author of "genetics: she has her mother's last" and a new book "life's edge: the should for what it means to be alive." and walter, i will start with you, what are the questions this technology is putting out there given that it can be done? >> well, when the chinese scientists decided to make edits in an embryo that means it will be part of the species forever, we were embroiled but after the coronavirus pandemic what he did is tried to eliminate a suss center that was susceptible to viruses. i sti think it was bad, sloppy experiment, premature but we have to open our minds a little bit, what are we going to do as a species to protect ourselves.

they have been using crisper for year to fight viruses and maybe we need to ask the question, what would we use gene editing to do? make us healthier, stop cell amina, fibrosis, things like that? one thing is let's no do edits until we know they're safe. another thing, let's not let the rich buy genes for their children, just for health purposes only, not to make them taller or things like that. that's where you get into something socially dangerous. >> karl, what are the existing ethics around this now? in other words, who makes the rules for this and draws the lines walter is talking about. as you know much better than most of us, there are people already, rich people, who are seeking out this kind of gene editing saying i want to live to

be 120 or i want to live forever, whatever you can do for me, how do they handle ethics in the scientific communities? who draws the lines? >> the scientific community is trying to put forward some standards but it really comes down to what are the governments going to do? it's really a patchwork. the for example, completely prohibit this tinkering with the germ line. some countries have no policies at all. even if one country does a good job of controlling this, those rich people you mentioned, they can just fly to another country and get their treatment wherever they want. what we really do need is actually a coordinated global approach, which we do not have. >> eddie glaude has a question. eddie? >> walter, congratulations. i have my copy here. i'm beginning to make my way through this. listen, one of the themes of science fiction literature,

right, is, of course, the scare, the work of this sort of science and what it would mean for human beings at large and how that fear, which comes to us through literature and through television, right, actually impacts our skepticism, deepens our skepticism about this kind of work. we're talking about ethical constraints in realtime, but how do you speak to the imagination of everyday, ordinary people when it comes to this kind of innovation, this kind of scientific inquiry? >> first of all, we say, hey, nature is beautiful. we're part of nature. let's be open to these things. you're right. we had stories on this ever since the myth of per neejia snatching fire from the dog or dr. frankenstein snatching a water, brave new world or gattaca. sometimes i think we get too afraid of science. we have to use it as a tool to make sure, like every other species, we do things to protect

ourselves and be healthier. jennifer dowdner, the central character in this book, has been leading the effort to try to get scientists and religious leaders and politicians around the world to understand, let's not stop science. on the other hand, let's not let it be as cory booker was saying, the way we let social media get out of control. science and technology only are as good of tools as we are of using them, and so i try to chronicle jennifer doudna, who had this nightmare after she invented this chris per technology, that she was asked by somebody to explain it to her and the person looks up and it's hitler. so i think that helped her begin the process and i walk with her and so many other people in the book down step by step saying, what are we going to do and what makes us recoil?

carl's written a great book "on life's edge," and it's really the question about what does it mean to be alive? what does it mean to be human? >> you know, carl, while you're writing books about the meaning of life and what it means to be human, i'm going to watch "avenger" movies with my children. and i must say at the beginning of that package, the top of that package that talked about all of the benefits of this technology, it really did look like it was straight out of some science fiction "avengers" movie where pandora's box was opened and bad things naturally flow from that. i must ask you, first of august, what are your biggest concerns and what is our best hope at effectively regulating this extraordinary new scientific opportunity? >> my biggest concern is that people are going to think biological is really simple and

really easy and it's not, so they might be sold something with the name of crispr that is actually harmful. you might think, oh, i will use crispr to change the color of in i baby's eyes. what harm could come from that? there are genes with eye color associated with the risk for cancer. you have to really understand that our genes are these really complicated networks and we're just beginning to understand, partly through using crispr, but anyone who thinks we're going to have super einstein babies tomorrow are fooling themselves. people with sickle cell anemia, for example, there will be really important advances in the next few years and those are the things i'm really excite by. >> carl zimmer, thank you very much. walter isaacson, thank you once again. we will see you again tomorrow, look forward to it. fascinating, absolutely fascinating breakthroughs that

are a little scary too. >> it is. and will, you're with me on the "avengers" thing, right? >> by the way, that is such a deep conversation we need to continue because there are all kinds of things that could be prevented by this gene editing, terrible diseases. this is really exciting but also all of the ethical questions that come with it. >> we'll wrap our arms around it tomorrow on "morning joe." that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. hi, there, i'm stephanie ruhle live at msnbc headquarters here in new york city. it is wednesday, march 10th, a day that millions and millions of americans should circle on their calendar, because today is the day that $1.9 trillion in covid relief is set to cross the finish line. the house is gaveling in at this very moment and sometimes within the next few hours they're expected to pass the bill also known as the american rescue plan, one of the