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if it's friday, president biden will deliver rose garden remarks this afternoon as he looks to keep his covid agenda moving forward while the white house and democrats debate their next move. is the dam breaking for andrew coumo. he's about to hold a tele briefing as 14 democrats on new york congressional delegation are all calling for his resignation. the family of george floyd is holding a news conference this afternoon as nbc news has just learned city officials are meeting to discuss possible settlement in major civil lawsuit brought against the city by the floyd family.
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welcome to friday. it is meet the press daily. president biden is preparing for a rose garden event this afternoon with the vice president, democratic leaders in attendance. this is the fourth or fifth time we had some sort of event marking the passage of this bill, the senate, the house, the signing last night and then this signing today. his remarks will come after prime time address last night after he laid out a series of goals and promises to defeat the virus and get life back to some semblance of normalcy. the president is planning to tout the relief package he signed into law and the various elements believes will sell well to the public. the white house is also con fronting the challenge of everything else because they got to decide now what. covid was job one, two and three for this new president. they have an agenda beyond
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covid. the president and vice president are planning to hit the road next week to sell the massive covid relief package to the public after it passed without support from a single elected republican in congress. they're also eye on massive multitrillion dollar infrastructure deal. some deficit hawks are showing up in washington. they are basically a rare species in this town but they still claim to fly around every one in a while. the biden white house wants to do something big and bipartisan, china may be the target. this morning president biden met with the quad which are seen as central in a new strategy to try to contain beijing. the quad australia, japan, india and the united states. there's the crisis at the border involving the surge of unaccompanied migrant children.
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the president doesn't have to navigate all those issues, he has to navigate some of his party. there's considerable pressure on the kwhous from progressives to go big on a bunch of other issues. gun control, climate change, voting reform, immigration even if they don't have much chance of make it to the president's desk. the lawmakers that supported it and that picture can sometimes be the moment that a white house
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is looking for. put this all in perspective of what we'll see this afternoon. >> reporter: they want to have that moment that's a headline today but also lives in histo long term but over the course of the next political cycle. the biden administration and the presidents want to be more aggressive in selling the plan that's now law but educating about it. wanting to give credits to democrats who were willing to push through on the use of the legislative tool known as reconciliation to do this without republicans and tout those republicans who hold office outside of washington in the days ahead when the president, vice president and other top principals are out in dun tri to look for those local firnls who are what they refer to as elected partners.
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in one moment is good, we'll have many of those in trying to keep pressure onto have people talking about this bill and the opportunity now that it is law to say what's in it, how will it achkt people and get the credit for it and to try to gal vantize democrats for the other issues that are to be delt with. this was the easy one. think of how difficult it was to get across the finish line. it may be a way to tee up the energy among democrats for the next fights as well. >> i want to play one of the thoughts from last night and this is biden's plea for american unity. take a listen.
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>> i will not relent until i beat this virus, but i need you. i need every american to do their part. that's not hyberbole. i need you. even if we devote every resource we have, beating this virus and getting back normal depends on national unity. national unity isn't just how politics and politicians vote in washington. what the loudest voices say on cable or online. unity is what we do together as fellow americans. >> kelly, what struck me about the president's remarks last night was how little time he spent on the details of covid relief. how much time he spent on that. on sort of the collective experience that we all had, the collective anxiety we have been sharing. all of that empathy that a lot of folks thought was missing over the last year.
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it was interesting. we had not seen a president do that, i would argue, really, there were times obama did it. times bush, times clinton but i go back to reagan. he de-emphasized the details and it was more about this is bigger than just this bill i want to talk to you about. >> this was much more about in the intention of the speech about the anniversary because they had planned to do, as we just talked about the celebrations related to their legislative win in other places. also a jents l rebuke of the governors peeling back their restrictions. our colleague peter alexander just asked about this unity tone in the white house briefing to jen psaki about the absence of
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any acknowledge of former president's role of getting vaccines up and running and could that have been a moment of unity to try to acknowledge what was done before. jen responded that the president has acknowledged in the past what the trump administration had done but also did not want to emphasize some of the things that were not as in line with their view of leadership. she emphasized the science more than we all live through president trump who did not forcefully push for mask wearing or even frankly, he mocked people who wore masks at times. in terms of searching for what does biden unity look like, we're still trying to flush that out. it's about reaching out to republicans and at times it's very absent party identity and more about a human connection, if you will. >> yeah. that's -- he tried to be apolitical last night. it's a beautiful transition, kelly, to where i want to take
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the conversation. it goes to what's next. how much do capitol hill democrats and leaders care about joe biden's pledge on unity. meaning, i think the biden white house looks to china as a maybe that's a way to create some bipartisanship, but is that where capitol hill leadership wants to go? >> on the china issue legislating how to be tough on china is very strategic for democrats because not only is it a place where they could perhaps work with republicans, but this is also an issue that republicans had been honing in on and making a very big political issue. with democrats taking that issue, making it the forfront, they have undercut republican opportunity to do that especially if the two parties work together to get something done. that's perhaps the only place in the immediate future to see some
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bipartisan. there are other ideas of infrastructure. i was speaking with some republicans yesterday and asked if they could come together with democrats to get something done and the senate republicans said what are the offsets? how will we pay for it? the democrats spent $2 trillion in first two months of this congressional term. where will we get the money? i think a lot of it will come down the budget discussion. as far as many democrats are concerned, especially the more liberal wing, all they care about, they don't care about bipartisan. they care about get things done. they blame us in the media for talking about bipartisan as being something that's necessary. the reality is, you can't do everything under reconciliations so there needs to be some republicans if some of these messaging bills will be signed into law. >> i guess that's the tension is there are a lot of progressives who, i think, look at some of these bills and they take them
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seriously. what they don't realize is that bill was a press release bill. hr1 is it's the kitchen sink of election reform that progressives want to see but it isn't a bill that was designed to get passed. i feel like we have the tension between the capitol hill democrats and perhaps the biden white house. >> no question. this is a big decision for democrats to make and there's a bit of a division on capitol hill where i am among democrats as to what to do next. some democrats want to cool the temperature a little bit and after the covid relief bill pursue something that has a shot at bipartisan support. a china package could be in that mold. infrastructure could be in that mold. there are pitfalls to getting both of those done with 16 votes in the senate but there's hope for that. there's other progressives who want to follow up the covid victory by going big, by pursuing something major on hr1 and voting rights even if test not the bill that passed the house.
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things like gun control and immigration and that will put democrats on a clash with the filibuster. they tasted defeat from that in terms of the $15 minimum wage that had to be stripped out of the covid bill. there's a lot of momentum to abolish the filibuster. there's key hold outs. sol progressive activists saw it as a pivotal moment. that puts it's on the minority to hold the floor. 41 senators have to hold the floor. once they stop speaking, one ted cruz is done reading green eggs and ham, that could be major change if they do that. >> manchin, toomey, why not lead with that. why not force the issue? let's see if you're serious about bipartisanship. this is manager that hits the 80% mark on public support, which would imply bipartisanship. seems like they want to go bigger than that. i understand when comes to
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talking with your base but the question is what can you get done. >> reporter: i asked senator murphy, why not start with man manchin and toomey and he said it's too moderate. he argues the political environment is much different now than it was in 2013, 2015 when manchin and toomey failed. they point to the problems with nra and gun politics has changed. >> kelly, that brings me back to, do you get a sense of how joe biden wants to manage congress? he's got to pursue what he wants
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to do if congressional democrats will he wait till they prove they can make something happen and we'll come in. they don't want to see three or four months wasted debating bills they know they can't pass. >> i think the president is saying to us and telegraphing to us a lot of his influence interacting with capitol hill will be out of public view. the president cut an ad for chuck schumer to protect him from any aggression from the left flank by highlighting senator schumer's leadership in a way we have not seen. what senior officials are telling us is the president continues to work the phones, speaking with republicans they do not name. speaking with a variety of democrats across the political
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spectrum and making those connections. part of what we're hearing is they want to be careful to build on the success of what we just been talking about with covid relief which we have talked about more than most pieces of even big legislation. that conversation will expand for a couple of more weeks to fill the space as legislate you ares and capitol hill can work through a lot of the more grandular details. the white house perspective is not to get bogged down on things that might be more message oriented and might not be deliverable. they want accomplishment and a evidence of governing as a big priority more than talking about things that matter broadly to the more liberal wing of the democratic party. >> look, i thought that was another important message that the president was trying last night. he was trying to sell government
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competency again. you don't bring i the mars perseverance if you don't want to try to make the case government can do big things. you want to pick and choose your spots and not highlight failures. that was great way to start. a lot of intel for folks to digest there. i think you have an idea of where we're headed next. can president biden deliver on the promise for vaccines for all by may? we'll talk to a medical expert. governor cuomo is holding a telebriefing as more than a dozen members of congress have gone public. he told reporters he has no plans to resign despite the day after impeachment proceedings started to be considered as well. keep it right here. e considered well keep it right here
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all adult americans will be eligible to get a vaccine no
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later than may 1. that's much earlier than expected. let me be clear, that doesn't mean every one will have that shot immediately but it means you'll be able to get in line beginning may 1. if we do this together, by july 4th, there's good chance you, your families and friends will be able to get together in your backyard or in your neighborhood and have a cook out. >> welcome back. that was president joe biden last night outlining his path to some semblance of normalcy. telling americans this independence day we'll celebrate freedom from the coronavirus. kind of channelling our friend bill pulman.
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demand still outweighs the supply. it does not mean shots will modely be available for every adult. that's even as the administration this morning announced an effort to recruit more vaccinators and expanding vaccinator eligibility to include dentists. let's talk basics last night. it's been interesting, i've heard from folks about president biden's deadline of saying they are very cautious db he was very cautious about them. they weren't aggressive. my response was after what happened last year, do you blame him? do you believe his goals are properly achievable or do you think we're being too cautious? >> thanks for having me on. i think the goals are achievable.
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they will take some work. they won't be easy. it won't be automatically -- obviously we can make people eligible. will the majority of americans be able to get vaccinated by may. i believe we'll have must have vaccines that any adult who wants one will be able to get their first shot in may. our job now is to make sure we ramp up distribution. i'm very optimistic over the next couple of months. >> the difference when somebody hears may 1 and you hear, okay, everybody should be in line in may 1 and everybody should be able to get their shot at the end of may. what's the hurdle that makes that achievable but still difficult? >> i think the single biggest thing is not vaccine supply.
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he's the single biggest hurdle is distribution whether we have enough vaccination sites. we set up enough things. we have gotten them to the right clinics, the right places. i also think the complexity of the super bowling up process, my goodness. across states people have had such a hard time signing up for these vaccines. we have to simplify it. those are the challenges but those are all fixable. those are things we can fix. >> the cautious optimism comes from the issue of variance and the decision to roll back some restrictions perhaps earlier than what public health officials want. there's this line. i have a healthy respect for this caution because every time the public health officials like yourself said, hey, we're about to have a spike if we do this, the spike happened. what is your level of concern now for the spike or do you
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think even though we're pull back, some of these places are pulling back quickly, will we be able to overcome it. >> here's the issue. i'm very optimistic about may. i'm pretty optimistic, i'm very optimistic about what happens after that. it's the next couple of months, next four to sick weeks that remain challenge for us. i think we're doing so well on vaccinations. we may see a bump, i don't expect a fourth surge. i think we'll get through it. let's not tempt fate by opening up bars and restaurants and getting rid of mask man days now. i feel like there's race between vaccines and variants and opening up now is really helping the virus and the variants. let's focus on vaccinations. >> it does seem as if this
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country will be ahead of the game on a having folks vaccinated. the issue of variants, it seems like our problem is, let me ask you this. do we have more to fear from brazil, frankly, than we do texas, florida or any place else that's opening up too soon? >> we have a lot more fear from large global outbreaks that we are not dealing with. it's a global pandemic. there's one lesson of the last year is we can't wall ourselves off. if we don't have a global approach to vaccinations and let the virus run wild in parts of the world, we're attempting fate. we're going to see a rise. the best way to avoid the nightmare cenario is have a very aggressive approach towards vaccinating the world. i don't think the biden administration is doing enough on that and i want to see more action on that front. >> i notice the eu has been asking for it.
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we're holding some astrazeneca vaccine we've not approved that says can you let it go. do you think that's a mistake? >> i do. i don't think any american will get the vaccine. it's perfectly good but by the time it's authorized, americans will have had it. we're not using them. we can't give them to americans. let's get it to brazil, the eu and keep making more of those. it's good for the world. it's also good for us. up next, the president on new york governor cuomo is growing by minute as more as more members of the new york congressional delegation are call for his resignation. as jury selection in the george floyd murder trial
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welcome back. new york governor andrew cuomo is facing few pressure to resign from democrats in state legislature and some high profile democrats in congress. still not the two u.s. senators. more than a dozen members of new york u.s. representative congressional delegation are calling for cuomo to step down in allegations of sexual harassment. 13 of them announced their decision within the past few hours. this comes a day after 59 democrats signed onto letter calling for cuomo's resignation. he said he will not resign and he criticized lawmakers that were calling on him to do so. >> politicians who don't know a single fact but yet form a
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conclusion and an opinion are in my opinion reckless and dangerous. the people of new york should not have confidence in a politician who takes a position without knowing any facts or substance. that, my friends, is politics at its worst. >> six women have accused cuomo of inappropriate behavior. the governor has apologized for acting in way that made others feel uncomfortable but denies touching anybody inappropriately. i'm joined by the managing editor. brendan, ill still sounds like a very defiant cuomo. the fact he's lecturing people like jerry nadler. i'm not sure they will take that criticism very well.
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he was on an island before. i take it the island is eroding. >> it is, chuck. there's an increasing number of democrats in the state senate as well who are calling on cuomo to step down today. it's interesting, too, he's in his responses he seems to be addressing and putting more focus on one of the young women who had noted he put his hand on her hip during a photograph or another one where he was photographed at a wedding holding someone's face. he hasn't directly really tackled the most serious allegation that was revealed this week where a female staffer says she was groped by him. he said i did not do what's been alleged, period. it's interesting that the governor doesn't seem to want to take many questions on that matter. one question i would probably ask the governor is would you take a polygraph examination.
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i doubt he would. he's calling the attorney general investigation, he referred to it as a review when i think that the attorney general might take issue with that characterization and look at it more as an investigation. he will turn down the heat by announcing he will not seek re-election. do you have any inkling about whether that is something they are contemplating? >> not at all. the last thing he said on the record but that was before all this controversy is he will remain governor as long as the people will elect him to that. today he indicated that he wanted to put himself on that island by saying he's not part of the political system which is interesting as the governor who is the son of a governor and has been involved in politics and government work for most of his
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life, for him the next step really seems to be that can he get the state budget done. right now this is normally the period where all of the focus is on the fiscal plan and the budget. no one seems to be talking about that. clearly the assembly and the senate are focused greatly on this issue. >> do you get a sense that senator schumer and gillibrand are keeping they powder dry to the point of they are more impactful, i guess in not wanting or is there a point where he's so numb to the resignation calls he's not listening to them? >> i think the governor is numb
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to the calls at this point. it doesn't matter who it seems calls for him to resign, even if it's unanimous or the new york delegation. there are many people whom are perplexed by the silence of senator gillibrand and schumer on matter they have been very outspoken on these types of issues in the past. when senator schumer visited the albany area to hold an unrelated press conference, he's normally a person that does not shy away from the press but he did that day. he refused to take questions and exited through a kitchen out a back door to a waiting car. likewise -- >> wow. >> senator gillibrand has been evasive on this.
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>> it's not a right. it's a privilege, elected office. politicians have plenty of right to decide who is worthy or not. let me ask this final question which is how about his staff. we know there's been a few resignations. are they mostly sticking by him or you noticing could he -- could that be the final blow that he loses a bunch of staff. >> you wonder if it will dom that point. you wonder how this is affecting them on day-to-day basis. they have to be the person defending him. that has to be tough for them. we know inside that office morale is fragile, for sure.
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the city leadership must act responsibly. it's not enough to just say they care. they have to show they care. >> do you believe we could see a potential settlement today? >> all things are possible. >> welcome back. nbc gabe gutirrez spoke with ben krump about a potential settlement. we're expecting to hear from
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family in the next 30 minutes or so after nbc news learned that members of the minneapolis city council are meeting to discuss terms of the settlement. then there's jury selection. it continues for the fourth day in trial of derek chauvin. the police officer charged in kneeling on his neck for about nine minutes. half the jurors chosen have been white men. only one black man has been selected as well as a hispanic man and a woman who identifies as multiracial. prosecution has levelled claims the defense is unfairly dismissing jurors due to race. the court has not upheld any objections. i'm joined by keith mays. it's good to see you. let me start with the settlement news that we're anticipating. what's the importance of it.
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. >> it's good for the family to receive a settlement from the city. i think the settlements are way to heal the wounds but they don't address the systemic problems that black people face at the hands of law enforcement. it doesn't address the inequitities of the criminal justice system. my personal take is it's nice. it's an ode to try to close and right a wrong. money can only partially right a wrong. i'm not of the opinion it can right the wrong at all, to be honest with you. >> it may help the family. it doesn't help the community, the nation. that brings us to the trial itself. i'm curious how you -- how do
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you think jury selection is going and do you -- do you feel like this is going to be fair trial? >> the politics of jury selection. here we go again. it's the same old story. i'm not comfortable with how things are evolving. six have been chosen so far. three white. one latin x man. one multiracial woman. one black man. this is not the representation you want if you're the prosecution. if you're the floyd family. if you're the community. too many black jurors are being dismissed based on a myth of impartiality. black jurors are being vetted about their knowledge of the video, their participation in protests, et cetera. you're not vetting white jurors for their implicit bias. white jurors can hold and harbor all kind of negative things.
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i think it's clear what's taking place. i think even the latinx man when he was queried, he told the judge, he said, if floyd would have complied then he would not have been murdered by officer chauvin. i think the deck is stacked against the prosecution and the family and the community, unfortunately. >> all right. let me ask this. the decision by the judge to reinstate the third-degree murder charge, that is something that the prosecution was hoping for. what does that tell you? >> why did the prosecution in the floyd case have to go back to the third-degree murder. why did they have to have that reinstated after you convicted another police officer on that very charge. that should have been an automatic. the state should not have had to
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go back to fight for that. the judge dismissed the third-degree murder charge last fall. i think he realized he was in a dilemma of his own making because the first police officer convicted for a murder in minneapolis history was a black man. that's facts. i wrote about that in the washington post op-ed last summer. how does it look now when you don't allow a white police officer to be charged under that particular standard. i'm glad it was reinstated. now you have second-degree murder, third-degree murder and manslaughter. even if i'm partial, i have three counts. i have three standards that i can use to convict officer chauvin. the question becomes can i be fair. i'm willing to be convinced of the evidence put forward.
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>> pause here for a minute. i'm bringing in a couple other people. it means we have news on the settlement. hang with us, keith. i want to come back to you. shaq, i know it's news you've been anticipating. what can you tell us? >> reporter: in just the past couple of minutes the city council, minneapolis city council approved a $27 million set is the lment with the family of george floyd. the vote happened. the vote was unanimous. 13-0. approving that settlement. the family launched the civil lawsuit against the city. that was considered early at the time. you see now after a couple of
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months, ahead of the start of the trial the family and the city coming to this agreement to have the settlement of $27 million. let's put this into a little bit of context here. we know that the breonna taylor, her family was given $12 million in that settlement. we know the high water mark for police settlements is about 38 million. this number that you're seeing right now, $27 million from city of minneapolis to the george floyd family just announced in the past couple of minutes. >> is there any culpability? does the city admit faults in this settlement or is it just a check? >> reporter: i want to read what the president of the city council is saying. she says my deepest condolences to family of george floyd. his friends and all in our
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community who are mourning his loss. no amount of money can ever address the intense pain or tra ma caused by the death to george floyd's family or the people of our city. they go onto say this is a moment of racial reckoning and they plan on working directly with the family and this is something they know they will have to grow from. we will expect to hear from family and their family attorney in a few minutes here. press conference scheduled for ten minutes from now. we'll hear from benjamin krump and the family to get their immediate reaction. minneapolis reaching an agreement with the family, a settlement of $27 million. >> i do, my guess is ben crump will tell us more details on that. let me bring in paul butler.
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how often do the cities admit fault. i assume it's a settlement because they didn't want it to >> they never admit fault because of liability ropes. but what they do is compensate the family and at professor described, it can never make up for the loss. but importantly, ben crump often requires police reform in his settlements. so when he seed the breonna taylor case, there was a lot of money that went to the family, but he also required that the police in louisville have training about how to do warrants, better oversight, and also a database for bad apple cops. so i would expect that in this case, especially considering the record of over chauvin who had
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at least 17 civilian complaints filed against him involved in at least two other officer-involved shootings, i would expect that in addition to the money that the family is getting, the city and the police department are going to be required to take steps to police their city more effectively. >> and paul, i'll come back to you on the jury selection. but back to keith here. so keith, you just heard what paul butler said, that he expects he wouldn't be surprised if ben crump and the settlement discussions insisted on something similar to what happened in louisville. and what have you seen so far in efforts to reform and do you think frankly that it will take a forced settlement to get the city do the things that they need to do? >> paul was right. br breonna's law took hold. and sometimes reforms come
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through tragedies in the way that breonna was killed. so it is really, really important for us to understand that as we fight cases on local, county and state levels, the breonna case is also part of the federal civil rights case, we need to also make reforms at the city and state levels and sometimes the protests have a way of doing that. so hopefully the fallout from the case,are from the trials, will begin to institute some reformers here on the local level here in minneapolis and the county as well as the state. that is the only way that it can get done. >> almost being forced. so let me go to the impact a settlement mifr on this trial. even though technically the city is not admitting any fault yet,
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you know, the average person will see, well, you don't pay that kind money if you didn't do something wrong. doesn't that implicitly strengthen the prosecution's case? >> you are thinking like a prosecutor. so certainly the prosecutors will be concerned about how this settlement will impact the jury in the criminal case. now, civil cases have a much lower standard of proof, but process prospective jurors have been instructed to not look at any news pertaining to george floyd so they are hoping that they won't even know about the settlement. but that is difficult to enforce. so one concern will be that if prosecutors obtain a conviction against derek chauvin, that he will appeal saying that the jury was tainted by hearing about the civil settlement.
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>> how often does something like that succeed? >> it rarely succeeds. again, judges do a good job with trying to do what they can to make sure that the jury just focuses on the evidence presented in court. and realistically, there are at least six more jurors that have to be selected, some of those people will know about the civil settlement. but so far all those selected know about the george floyd case. and a lot of them have seen the videotape. so the question isn't so much whether they know, but can they set aside what they think that they know, what they have seen, and just render a verdict based on the evidence presented in court. >> keith, let me ask about how would you say the perception is with residents of color in minneapolis right now and the relationship with the police
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department, and if you seen evidence that the police department is trying to some efforts? >> the perception is still not good. i think the reforms that are frying to be implemented by the senate council is a step in the right direction. and oftentimes the mayor has said some things that were contrary to the council. and to the movement. so the perceptions are still out there. everything is hinging on the outcome of this chauvin case. and i hate to say it, but if he doesn't get convicted on any one of those three count, all hell will break loose in minneapolis. because again, i think that with the clark and castillo case captured on video, and now with the floyd case also captured on video, i can be impartial. but i also know what i saw.
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and there is no way -- i can't imagine that the prosecution will not be able to demonstrate that he was guilty of second agree, third degree or even manslaughter. i can't imagine not meeting one ofstandards. >> and paul, keith said that all heck will break loose. frankly, it is a feeling that i think a lot of us have watching that trial. it only adds extra pressure to everybody. the prosecution, the judge, the jurors. do you feel the same way, that this is that fragile? >> you know, the judge has to do what he can to prevent unrest. and what he can do right now is to make sure that the community has confidence in the jurors. as you've noted, a number of
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latin x and african-american have been excluded. the defense seems like it is trying to get rid of minority jurors. and the result will be if it is a mainly white jury in a city that is 20% african-american, a lot of people will not think that the process is fair. they will think that the fix is in. and so it is a tough case, no case against an officer is a slam dunk. but if there is not a conviction, then the city can no african-american jurors or only one or two, i think that they would have good reason to be worried about the legitimacy of this process. >> professor, paul butler, always good to have you both on. thank you both. and if it is sunday, it is
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. good afternoon. i'm katy tur. it is 2:00 p.m. here in the east and we're following breaking news out of minneapolis. the city has reached a major settlement in the civil suit brought by the family of george

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