a crowd that's gathering behind me in the plaza right below the capital building and the asian commune and the other commune thes of color gathering in solidarity after a week of senseless violence against the asian american community in the atlanta area. i want to bring in long tran, a small business owner in atlanta, part of the organizing group rallying today. tell me what the process was like putting this together? >> it was hectic. we only had a few days to pull it together, but we managed to put this together. it's amazing and this has been a historical day. i have been getting calls that there are groups from other states coming out to support us. there is a bus of elderly chinese coming out because they want to stand up against us. we're hoping that today is the tipping point where from here on out, all of this violence and hate starts to de-escalate and we get to a place where we can start to heal. >> thank you, i appreciate that

and good luck today with the organizing and i'm sure you're busy and a community that's healing amid all of this violence and alex, this comes and this march and this rally here at the capitol and we'll be walking a mile and a half further and several group, like i mentioned a part of this and this comes in the last 24 hours as we've now learned from officials the eight names of the victims in that senseless attack that happened at those three spas and this is about this community coming together to honor these victims to help and support their families and the community coming together to stand on each other's shoulders and really forge a path ahead here as a community heals and organizes and comes together to celebrate the lives of these victims and move ahead. >> deepa shivaram, thank you for that and for all of you coming up in the next hour i'll be examining the rise in hate crimes against asian americans and other people of color. i'll be speaking with actress

margaret cho, co-host of the real jeannie mai and co-founder of aapi stop hate and katie fang. it's coming this hour at 1:30 eastern here on msnbc. let's go to big new developments on the capitol hill riot investigation. one, the outer fence around the capitol is coming down and two, the fbi releasing new video asking for tips on violent capitol riot suspects and they got so many types they stopped counting. let's go to amanda golden on capitol hill. does this, first of all, removal of fencing, does it suggest that fears of future capitol hill attacks are diminishing? >> alex, that's a good question to ask because there's certainly a sense of apprehension for those that you speak to whether it's lawmakers or staffers and at this time the capitol hill police say there's not a known credible threat that exists to either the capitol itself and to members of congress that justify the continued amount of fencing and protection and security that

we've been seeing for the last several months take place throughout the capitol complex. so starting this weekend, we are seeing the outer perimeter of fencing start to be taken down. i saw some of the barbed wiring that was on the fencing start to be removed just as i walked in here. the inner perimeter, though, will remain according to capitol police and the acting sergeant of arms for congress and they said this is because it will continue to stay in place while there are other repairs taking place throughout the capitol, and i even saw as i was walking in, in addition to the fencing being taken down metal bike racks in front of the congressional office buildings on the senate and house side. as you noted there is new footage coming from the fbi and the very violent video that's now showing the fbi asking the public to identify ten men, ten individuals that they say committed some of the most egregious violence during the attacks on january 6th and asking the public to help identify them. the ten they're looking to

identify comes on top of the over 300 arrests that they have already made and as you noted, the fbi is putting out some additional information on the number of tips that they've received and as you noted one fbi official told nbc news they stopped counting. it's been over 200,000 at least of different tips that have come in from the public. we have a new statement from the fbi speaking to the volume of their investigation and the amount of public information they've received. they said, quote, in the days following the january 6th event at the u.s. capitol, the fbi's national threat operations center experienced an increase of 750% in daily calls and electronic tips. currently ntoc continues to experience double the normal daily volume of complaints received via calls and electronic tips. alex, this comes as lawmakers have been pushing to make this 9/11-still commission to investigate the events we saw take place on january 6th and that's a bit stalled at the moment and there doesn't seem to be any agreement in the a bipartisan way of who exactly will sit on it by way of

democratic and republican leaders as well as what that study would specifically focus and that's something we'll continue to monitor and watch on capitol hill. amanda golden, thank you so much. joining me now is pennsylvania congresswoman madeleine dean and the house financial services committee and the co-author of "under our roof." a mother's battle for her son. it's a heck of book. i'm curious, welcome to you, how do you feel about the outer capitol fence coming down this weekend? what are your thoughts on that? >> well, i'm happy for that we had a chance as members of congress to get a joint briefing, a bipartisan briefing on what general honore and his team found in terms of the security needs of the capitol and also in terms of moving forward and part of what they described to us was the removal of the fencing as it becomes safer and safer to do that, and

a plan for an interim type of fencing, but i am very glad that the perimeter will be brought in and i'm very confident. i feel very confident in the safety of members of staff and of visitors. >> i'm sure the visitors would look forward to being there, as well. let me talk about the associated press which is reporting fallout from the riot and the virus that has left a toxic mood on capitol hill. here's what the report says that the mood is so bad that the democratic congressman led an elevator pass him by rather than ride with republican colleagues who voted against through joe biden's election results on that day january 6th. what is the mood on capitol hill? >> i don't share that same feeling and i'm dismayed and disappointed that we did not get a single republican vote for the landmark legislation that will send relief to all of our districts regardless of party affiliation and the american rescue plan, but i have to tell

you what my mood is and what i'm talking to congress, think of the positive things that have come in these first three months of the year passing hr-1, protecting voting right, the equality act. the re-authorization of bawa, the american rescue plan, george floyd justice and policing. we passed again the two background check bills regarding gun safety. so my mood is we have to celebrate that which congress is doing with or without the help of our colleagues on the other side of the aisle and hopefully they will come along with us as we tackle the problems of our economy, of social injustice and of course, public health. >> i appreciate that positive outlook. let me ask you about this, though, 12 republican colleagues opposed to award gold medals for what they did which was protect all of you during the january 6th attacks. those gop members said that they

objected to the language which called the attackers a mob of insurrectionists and described the capitol as the temple of our american democracy. what's your reaction to them? it would seem as if they weren't there. >> it does seem as baffling as that. the capitol police saved hundreds and hundreds of lives including our own regardless of party affiliation. i cannot imagine the truth telling in that resolution by using the word insurrection and honoring these capitol police with somehow stand in their way. shame on them for failing to vote yes to honor those who saved our lives. >> let's talk about congresswoman marjorie taylor-greene. your democratic colleague, jimmy gomez introduced a privileged resolution to expel her from congress because he claims that she wishes harm upon the legislative body. let's take a listen to speaker

nancy pelosi's reaction to that resolution? >> members are very unhappy about what happened here and they can express themselves the way they do. what mr. gomez did is his own view and that is not leadership position. calling it mr. gomez's view. how about you? what are your thoughts on that? >> i happened to be on the floor preparing to give a one-minute speech when he gave his one-minute speech never naming the congresswoman and what he said then, i think reflects what a lot of us feel. he has no interest in ever having to bring such resolution. what i hope is that her own leadership of her conference would have to guide her to be an american public servant, not someone who would use danger dangerous rhetoric and in the threat to

our safety and i call on leader mccarthy and that conference to guide this woman to greater public service. notice, they did not take that leadership role at the time that we had to strip her of her committee assignments. it's an egregious set of statements that ms. greene has put forward, but also her failure to try to move legislation forward, instead just trying to be an obstructionist who claims attention. my thought is i join in saying it's a sad day that we would even have to do that, but the truth is the truth and words matter. >> it sounds that you're trying to get her expelled from congress which is you're expecting the will of the people who put her into that position at this point. they can change in november of next year if they cared to. >> let's talk about the american rescue plan that has passed and the stimulus checks that are being sent to tens of millions of americans and how is it helping them? >> that's partly why i'm

reflecting such a joyful attitude. my constituents are getting the checks and last week, 90 million checks went out. in pennsylvania we will see $14 billion worth of stimulus. in my counties, we will see hundreds of thousands of my own constituents will get relief whether in the form of child tax credits and support for their schools and cash in their accounts and extended federal unemployment and i am so proud of this bill and the landmark legislation. it comes at a time of a global pandemic. it comes as we restore our economy following the economic collapse caused by the pandemic. i am happy for my constituents and i am also happy that it recognizes the fault lines in our society and drives more dollars to the small effort of businesses, to minority and women-owned businesses and makes sure that we get into the communities who have been hardest hit.

this is progressive, positive legislation to get -- to lift the poor, to lift the working poor and to combat child poverty and hunger. i couldn't be happier, and i have to tell you, my constituents are calling in. they are writing in. they're stopping me and they're saying thank god for this relief. >> all right. >> we'll end on a happy note, then and i'm happy to do that. pennsylvania congresswoman madeleine dean, thank you so much. always good to see you, my friend. >> what michael cohen had to say about his eighth visit -- eight, with the manhattan d.a.'s office and that's next. at the top of the hour the bad actors of the gop. lawrence o'donnell of msnbc's "the last word," and he has a thing or two to say about that including the future of the filibuster coming up in the next hour. e filibuster coming up in the next hour

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new today, michael cohen speaking out after his eighth meeting with the manhattan

district attorney looking into trump's dealings. >> unless you want to spend time in a camp like i did and you want to put your boys at risk i'm pretty sure that he'll be providing information to the district attorney. >> msnbc's lindsay rice is joining us from outside the d.a.'s office in manhattan. what more are we learning about what donald trump could be facing? >> it shows people are talking and it shows into trump's finances and specifically whether he over inflated his assets to get favorable loan terms and tax benefits. they're looking into hush money payments facilitated to women on behalf of the former president. donald trump denies any wrongdoing. he says this entire probe is a witch hunt, but the supreme court recently proved that the office could get a hold of his tax returns and millions of

documents have been flooding this office in recent weeks and michael cohen spoke with investigators two weeks ago for two and a half hours over zoom. he is serving out a sentence in home confinement until november and he was on with ali velshi last night and he talked about his assessment that indictments are imminent. let's listen. >> they are well organized. they are disciplined. they are methodical in their questioning, in their documentation. i mean, was there more paper there all tabulate in three-ring books and itemized for questions that they wanted to deposed by me. there was more than you would possibly each imagine. it was like a paper vault of information. >> reporter: a source tells cnbc that cohen is expected to speak with investigators again even after this eighth meeting and trump is facing 29 different lawsuit, two investigations in georgia over the election and incitement of insurrection

investigation in washington, d.c. alex? >> lindsay reiser, thank you so much. joining me is msnbc & david farenholt. it is a vault of information and this is a new headline and this is from an article that you co-wrote, trump faces an onslaught of legal problems as lawsuits trail him from washington to florida, in pack, it was the number one trending article on the website. i'm curious to your reaction to what we heard from michael cohen and how big of a player is trump's former lawyer in the investigation against him? >> well, we have to assume that he's a pretty big player because he's met with them eight times and also because the trump organization sought to keep its secrets by keeping longtime loyalists at the center and cohen was one of those people

and now he's a rare person who was on the inside and on now on the outside and very motivated to talk. i'd have to think that whether he'd be called to an eefsht all trial he's acting as a road map to investigators. >> here's what you also said in the article that with the probe in new york donald trump is also facing investigations in florida, georgia, and washington, d.c., talk about some of those legal problems that he faces in those jurisdictions. what are they? >> it's a huge range. trump went from this moment of legal invince believity in the white house when he had the justice department and all of these immunity laws defending him to the moment of vulnerability where he has folks chasing him at once and he's lost his swords and shields. the two georgia investigations are about trump's attempts to overturn the election results and the quote, find me the votes so i can win georgia. in washington, d.c., there are two investigations going on, the

misuse of funds at his inaugural and whether trump violated laws against incitement to violence on january 6th. those are going on at once and it's hard to know what they'll produce, but donald trump in playing footsie with the law has never had these many feeks bearing down at one time. >> which of these would lead to charges in the near future and you didn't mention florida. is florida favorable to donald trump given the political leanings and the fact that he's right there in mar-a-lago? >> trump, we don't know if there are investigations ongoing in the state of florida, the republicans there are pretty close allies of trump, so the new york and attorney general of the manhattan d.a.'s investigation could encompass florida businesses because they were headquartered in new york, but we don't know of anything going on in florida and florida is an oasis for trump, if new

york indicts donald trump, would florida refuse to extradite him and would he live in florida for the rest of his life? it's a flimsy shield if that's what he's counting on. >> why are so many attorneys jumping ship? >> he has lost a lot of his attorneys, and some of them quit explicitly because of january 6th and the state attorney general is suing trump tower for plus-related violations and that law firm quit and they wouldn't say why, but trump doesn't have the usual sort of a-team of corporate lawyers and big firms representing him. he's trying to cobble this together with folks that are kind of his second choice. that may be enough, but it is also another contributor to this moment of weakness. he doesn't have the legal team around him that you might like in this situation. >> what do you think mar-a-lago? i mentioned that, apparently it's closed and partially so and

some staff members tested positive for the coronavirus. what's the latest on that situation? do you know how many employees came down with covid? >> we don't. all they told the members was some, some members was their staff have come down with covid which seems like more than one or two. they've closed down parts of the club, the beach club which is an outdoor restaurant and the main dining room and they've left the place open, the hotel rooms are open, the gym is open and the banquet hall is open and it's a weird closure and we're trying to figure out how many people were affected and what happens next. >> so they closed the outdoor dining area and left the -- we'll just leave it there. david fahrentold, thank you. >> we'll delve into why there has been such a rise in hate crime against asian americans and my guest margaret cho and jeannie mai, co-host of "the real," my special on stop the

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welcome back, everyone. in this half hour a weekends with alex witt special "stop the hate." a deeper dive into the killing of eight people at asian-owned spas in georgia this week. reactions and reflection and resolve and we're going to begin with an astounding number of bias incidents against asian americans. 3,795 reports between march 19, 2020 and february 28 of this year. this is according to stop aapi hate. almost 1700 reports of incidents in california alone, more than 500 in new york, smaller numbers in at least 16 other states and some of the attacks that led to criminal charges were caught on video and victims have been speaking out. >> someone pushed me, i think attacked me from the back and started punching me. >> did they say anything?

>> no. they didn't say anything. they just -- nothing. >> did they take anything from you? >> no. everything is with me, even my wallet. >> a man with a beer can had spilled his beer on me and proceeded to spray my packages with the beer and said go back to china. [ bleep ]. >> he said communist china. >> isn't that where you're from? >> no, it's not. [ bleep ]. >> the georgia killings put bias attacks and put them on the forefront of debate and seven were murdered. >> yong a.yue, 63, tang, delana ashley yon, 33 years old and she office a spa date, by the way with her husband. paul andre michelles was 54-year-old, army veteran and business owner who grew up in

detroit and hong chong grant who had devoted sons. >> how often did she tell you that she loved you? >> every night. she'd call me and my brother asked did you guys eat? did i pick up my brother from work and anything else she was curious about if she knew we had something coming up and she just said good night and if he didn't call, we would call her and if we didn't she would get angry. >> well, a number of vigils and marches are planned today in tribute, but joining me right now for a great discussion, manjusha calcarney from the asia pacific partner and planning council and with aapi hate. also with me, jeannie mai co-host of emmy-winning talk

show "the real" and emmy-nominated comedian and actress. >> i'll start with you, mai, i know you testified on thursday against asian american violence. what is the one thing that you want to take away from the testimony. >> the hearing was so important, alex, that it sent a message that this is a serious issue of our country. it's something that we all need to may attention to. you shared the statistics and almost 3800 incidents from all 50 states in the district of columbia and so we know that from atlanta, it's really we're experiencing some horrific acts and that now it's time for action it was the first time, sadly, that there was a hearing dedicated to asian-american issues since 1987.

so we're glad to finally have the country's attention, but we need action and let me just say i want to express my deepest sympathies the families of the victims of atlanta, the atlanta community especially the asian american community there that has just been so gravely impacted. i just can't tell you how hard we're taking this. it's truly emotional. >> hearts across the country are going out to them including mine. the president met with asian american leaders in atlanta yesterday. let's take a listen to part of that. >> hate can have no safe harbor in america. it must stop. >> racism is real in america, and it has always been. >> jeannie, i want to talk with you about your history, your family emigrated from vietnam. so when you think about your life experiences, what went through your mind when you heard these leaders or most prominent leaders say these words?

>> well, just to hear president biden even make a national announcement to bring the flags down to half-mast in honor of these women and to see that we are recognized that alone was shocking to me, and then now as i wake up every morning and see these amazing people of color from stacy abrams to eva duvernay and bernice king and these amazing women of color, black women standing in solidarity with us it brings me to an emotion i have never experienced in my entire life and that is the silver lining in this that we all understand that injustice to one is a threat to us all, and so for me growing up i never experienced understanding that we had support because we only had each other. like you said, i grew up in a household with 15 members in our house. i realize that all of us have american names because we changed our names because i

heard in second grade that my teacher could aren't pronounce my name, and my name is -- in vietnamese and my mom said i'm going to name you jeannie because that's a name that everybody watches on the show, i'm jeannie. i'm jeannie from "i dream of jeannie" and my mom is olivia from olivia newton-john and now i realize there's tinas, cindys, kims and nobody works to pronounce our name and therefore we change our name to assimilate just to lessen the already onset of racism that we have that asians smell funny or that we eat weird foods or that we're different or that we congregate in our own communities and all of these are amazing things to be proud of, but i didn't experience that pride when i was growing up and now i can because white is not a country. america is filled with the amazing -- amazing accumulation

of everybody in our cultures together and it's time to celebrate that and i'm learning that today. >> wow, that was powerful. >> margaret, i want to go to you and ask you, you have an anglicized name, margaret. did you have to change your name, as well and tell me what you think when you listen to the president of the united states, biden, talk about this and to jeannie's point saying, listen, we have to lower our flag across this country in hundredor of those who were killed so horrifically. >> well, i have an american name or european name and i'm a little older than jeannie. i'm older so i have the -- i guess the passport officer or the person that they met with at immigration who -- i'm going to name you after her. it's a very real thing, and it's very powerful that the president and madam vice president who i love, they were here for us,

this -- all of these activists are here for us and it's powerful. i feel like i am really understanding the depth of the title model minority because i want to reject it in that it's almost denoting that we exist purely part performative value to whites as if we're the model and that there's ways to not be a model minority, as well so it sets all of these people who are quote, unquote, minorities against each other as if it's some kind of a struggle and really, we belong together. >> to jeannie's point, the fact that shoulder to shoulder are standing women of color, those three that she named specifically and those three black women standing shoulder to shoulder with asian americans whether it's women or anybody of that racial epiteth, and daniel day kim as he spoke to congress. take a listen to that. >> these are three places all

that had an association with asian people. if this were a synagogue or black church and someone shot up those places would we really be asking whether this is a hate crime or not? and would we really have the burden of proof? >> and i'll ask you to answer this one. would you say that that initial messaging from the cherokee county press official pretty much explains why people never bother to report incidents of law enforcement? is that part of it? >> absolutely, alex. that press conference was so problematic. taking the word of a hate crime perpetrator to say that he said it wasn't racially motivated, to say that the reason for it was a, that he had a sex addiction and he was relieving himself and also that he was having a bad day. another thing that daniel day

kim said when we were testifying in front of congress is when daniel has a bad day, he gets a beer and spends some time with his family. he doesn't go and shoot up several people in his community and so it made us realize how much work there is ahead of us in terms of really providing the evidence, making sure that there's a thorough investigation and centering our communities and our experiences and that's not been done before. i mean, we've really, not only have we been made invisible, but as margaret said, this model minority myth has been really so damaging for our communities to, one, pit us against african-americans and say oh, look at you versus looking at them when our experiences and what we have to deal with is so different, but one thing i want to mention, too, the part of

model minority myth that people forget is the professor when he coined that term said that asians were a model because we kept our mouths shut because we were silent and we were not demanding our civil rights the way that african-americans were during the 1960s and we've got to change that and we're doing that right now. >> 100%. jeannie, i'm curious. one of your acting colleagues olivia munn has brought attention to one specific incident and then the greater in general. why has it taken someone with a higher profile to get us to focus on this? >> as much as i would love to speculate on it, i'm so thankful. i am so thankful for olivia's work. and i am so thankful for my brother and rihanna with 93 million followers just right now posted a piece of that congressional hearing because our industry and our -- i'm sorry, our society, we glamorize celebrities. we love to know what celebrities

and icons are doing and when they do it all of a sudden it's cool which is a good and a bad thing. it's great when we see that voices need to be lifted and we need to see other people of color support us, but it's bad when we also see something like hollywood constantly perpetuate these racist stereotypes about asian women and the fetishization behind it and that asian women are always deemed as sexual, hypersexual or sub missive and docile and these stereotypes and i'm thankful for the productions like "crazy rich asians," but that's not who we are. there are many asians living below the poverty lines and we need people like icons and hollywood to portray asian americans in the full gamut of who we are and not what you're deducted us to be. >> margaret, i'm sure you've seen this study and it's from the university of california, san francisco, and it shows that donald trump's virus hash tags on twitter leading to an

increased anti-asian sentiment there and how damaging was that and how important is it for leaders to set the right example? >> it's incredibly damaging because it allows racism to be very casual, an in-conversation exchange that really is so dehumanizing and also makes us out to be the perpetrators of this pandemic which is not true. i mean, if you really want to look at people who are spreading and people not wearing masks and promoting conspiracy theories and drinking bleach as donald trump would so try to make us all do, so in this way, this kind of language is as damaging as drinking bleach. >> yeah. >> i want to ask you about members of congress. we were playing a little bit earlier of congressman chip roy of ohio who used the hearing to talk about lynching and argued that the hearing itself was an attack on free speech. what does that kind of a message

say and how the effect on the aapi community and what sort of things takes away from the rhetoric? >> as congresswoman mang mentioned after ward this is about our issues about what's happening to our communities and to really turn it around and make it about something else and then to use other offensive language. so really, it's a doubling down on racism and sadly, when we looked at our data at stop aapi hate in the fall we found that exactly that type of rhetoric that was used by president trump and so many others led to explicitly 700 or more incidents against our communities, where people used that same rhetoric of china virus, wuhan virus, kung flu and they weaponized it

and basically used those words when they carried out acts of violence against our community so this is really unacceptable and i'm glad to see folks calling him out and calling out others who are engaging in this type of behavior. >> jeannie, i know that you said racism is taught and it can be unlearned. what's your idea for how it can be fixed? >> absolutely. i truly believe that racism starts in the home, and it doesn't even have to be something blatant. it doesn't mean that your parents are literally telling you don't like x group of people and it happens in microaggressive ways and also -- your kids notice all of your actions. so when you are loving to your family members and you're a little cold and stand offish to another race that shows, and when you make innuendos about a certain race or you make off-color joke, that's terrible and when you're embarrassed. i remember when my mom she packed me lunch one time, and it

was -- it had nookmam which is a fish sauce and she said don't open it because it will smell. i said i love this, and it is amazing. even when i dated outside of my race i'm careful about bringing these amazing dishes of our culture because i'm afraid of that one, you, traumatic moment of offending somebody else. so as a parent, just please be conscientious to celebrate your culture within your household. celebrate what's different about you guys and what's unique and what you have and make sure your kids' friends are diverse and invite them over and break bread and share the different things about you guys. >> margaret, you want to add one and any advice that you might have for your fellow americans to be better allies right now? >> i think to understand that we are a great country because we are all different and we bring

something else to the table. all of us are important, and you know, this is a very important time, and i'm just so grateful to everyone who is supportive and everyone who is spreading the love out there on social media it really makes a difference. >> the three of you have made a difference in this discussion and i am sure people are listening carefully to all of you. we're not going to let this particular incident and this issue die, that's for sure and there's a lot more in this half an hour, ladies, thank you so much. there is a headline in the whole episode that you might miss this week, but it relates a critical point that means a lot to many people and we'll get your reaction next. prilosec otc uses a unique delayed-release formula that helps it pass through the tough stomach acid.

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sprees in georgia. serve women were killed and six of those women were asian american. alicia fernandez ortiz from georgia survived the shooting. joining me is katie fang attorney, katie, welcome from everything that you heard from law enforcement, what are the chances that this accused will be charged with a hate crime and why does that matter? >> it matters because, alex, if he's charged with the hate crime enhancement it will increase the amount of time that he stands in jail, but let me be clear before people get too excited about this, at the end of the day it's a difficult thing to be able to prove that a hate crime has been committed. why? because it is one thing to be able to prove that robert long had the pre-meditated intent to be able to murder these eight victims and it's a whole other thing for a prosecutor to be able to prove that he targeted these victims for their

religion, race or gender. they don't need to live mutually exclusive concepts for georgia hate crime statute. serve of the eight victims were women. a hate crimes could exist for the current charges against robert long. >> what about "new york" magazine that the suspect doesn't get to decide whether it is a hate crime. what do you make of the apparent sympathy from the cherokee county sheriff spokesperson? is it normal, katie, for law enforcement to lay out the defense argument in this way? >> no, and i've used the adjective irresponsible and there are other people that have used stronger adjectives and the reason why is the following. if you wanted to go out as law enforcement and say that the suspect had confessed. great. it should have stopped there and the cop should have said we'll conduct an investigation and this may be a hate-based crime and you take the words of the shooter and you end up putting it into the public that the

public says hey, it's just a sex addition and not a racially motivated crime. that's wrong because the evidence might play out to be that maybe it was race based and maybe it was gender based and people shouldn't say singularly focused on race is the only matter by which you would get a hate crime enhancement in this case. >> what kind of a sentence might he face? >> disappointed to say, georgia being one of the last states in the united states to be able to put a hate crime statute in the united states, an additional 12 months if it's one of five enumerated misdemeanors. fundamentally, alex, this guy, if an indictment comes out of the grand jury, will be looking at potentially the death penalty in georgia. >> okay. katie fang, we'll have you back to talk about it when and if things develop. thank you. coming up next, what no one tells you about being asian in america in 2021, the author of this piece explains that next. rf this piece explains that next.

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>> how are you feeling? >> right now, i don't feel fine. my eye still, as you can see, it's still closed. and then, emotionally, i'm traumatized by the -- by what's happened. i just want to -- people to be aware, aware of this happening right now and it's real. and if you don't speak up, who will? so, i want them to come out also and speak up if they are attacked. don't be afraid. >> voices of just some of the victims of anti-asian attacks that have become so prevalent in recent months. joining me now, psychiatric social worker and psychotherapist. she wrote an article

entitled "this is what no one tells you about being asian in america in 2021." sharon, i know you wrote that article about a month ago but certainly it's resonating even more right now. you write that the asian-american community is used to being ignored. used to minimizing our own pain because we don't want to rock the boat and that our world minimizes us and we minimize ourselves. how hard is it putting that into words and why that happening? >> yeah, i think the discrimination against asian-americans is harder to see because people tend to focus on our proximity to whiteness and the whole model minority myth, which causes them to dismiss our struggles. i have felt like a perpetual foreigner in this country, and i have never and will never be seen as just sharon. i'm always sharon, the asian, and you know, i've spent a lifetime here laughing off these open your eyes jokes, being the butt of everyone's jokes, the

slant-eye gesture and the fetishization of my ethnic background and the hypersexualization of asian women and you know, when we are faced with racial trauma, people talk about the trauma responses, fight, flight, freeze, but there's also fawning and fawning is when we try to avoid conflict by people pleasing. and you know, asians have been fawning since the dawn of time. we come from very collective countries and ideals that the idea of making others uncomfortable makes us so uncomfortable that we would rather just bear it all ourselves. and that's what i mean when i say, our world minimizes us, and we minimize ourselves. >> and so sharon, i mean, this mentality of minimizing your own pain, i mean, it's brought on by outside actions but what kind of steps could be taken to address that mindset? how is discrimination expressed within a community? how it is expressed from the

outside, i mean, they seem equally important, right? >> yeah. and i think a big issue is the whole model minority myth and how that has been used as a way to pit minorities against each other, and it's kind of -- it's the classic divide and conquer tactic, asians are used as tools to dismiss the struggles of black people and as a way for white people to lessen their guilt, and it also placates those who recognize the injustices and inequalities of this country. it also dismisses the plight of asian immigrants and refugees that struggle to make ends meet in a world where they just can't communicate or feel safe, and so i believe we really need to challenge this by not just dismissing asian-american suffering and racial trauma because all you see is this proximity to whiteness. because that's what the system needs in order to thrive, and i believe that dismantling it begins with you and how you perpetuate these beliefs. >> and i'm guessing that you have patients whom you treat,

sharon, who come to you and they have these certain issues. what do you tell them? what is their most serious concerns? i mean, i realize you can't express details, but how do you treat them effectively? >> well, it's a lot of processing, a lot of validating, a lot of, you know, teaching them and empowering them that they're not alone in this, that this is something that we've been experiencing our entire lives, and they harbor a lot of fear and anxiety and i think with this pandemic, a lot of people can relate to this, living in constant fear and anxiety that, you know, about going to the grocery store in case you might contract covid or pass it along to a loved one. but imagine having this fear and also fearing going to the grocery store because you might be demeaned and degraded or even attacked. and you know, after the events of this week and last year in general, i'm scared of going to the grocery store because i fear that that could be a potential

target, especially, you know, going to an asian one, and so now i avoid that too. and so it's a lot of, i think, just normalizing the experience and just empowering them that they're not alone in this. >> yeah. i sure hope people are listening to every single thing you've said, sharon kwon. i appreciate you sharing it all so openly and candidly and honestly, painful as it is. thank you so much. and for all of you, we're going to have a lot more on this at 6:00 p.m. eastern tonight with another msnbc special. my colleagues are going to pick up the mantle where we leave off now and have another conversation for a whole other hour so tune in for that, everyone. meantime, the final straw for the filibuster, why the move to make a major change is gathering steam. lawrence o'donnell's going to join me with that and more at the top of the hour. me with th the top of the hour. ♪ over 10 years ago, we made a promise to redefine everything a truck can be.

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