that's all the time i have for today. i'm alicia menendez. i hand it over to my friend mehdi hasan. >> thank you, alicia. what i hope will be a good faith conversation. plus tax fraud, efforts to overturn an election, several investigations. take your pick. will any of it put a former president behind bars? i'll talk to one of the top legal experts. >> let's call it what it is. america has a long anti-asian history. i'll talk with "kocobra kai" st

tamlyn tomita." yesterday 3.1 million americans got vaccinations amid an ongoing pandemic. on friday, the president was in georgia trying to tackle anti-asian violence and mass shootings. his dhs secretary responding today. >> the border is closed. we're eppelling families, single adults and we made a decision not to expel young, vulnerable children. >> biden border crisis what they're calling it. increase of michltgrants at the border. biden administration's detention of record 5,000 unaccompanied minors and asked whatever happened to all your concern over kids in cages? as i'll explain in a moment that's a self-serving

interpretation of the numbers. it's incomplete and inaccurate at best, cynic al and dishonest at worst. to be clear, joe biden hasn't gotten everything right on immigration. far from it. yes, he canceled the muslim ban on day one. as "the washington post" reports he was undoubtedly ill prepared for all of this. i don't think you should turn a blind eye simply because biden isn't trump. you saw me push ron klain on this very show on this very issue last sunday. some have to wait five days or more to shower. they say your administration is blocking lawyers from accessing those facilities. look, this isn't family separation. i know that. but it's still an outrage and unacceptable, is it not? >> of course it's an outrage and it's unacceptable. we inherited a government that had allowed the number of beds to safely, humaneely house these children, administered by the

department of health and human services, office of refugee resettlement, allowed it to shrink to a record low number. now we have children arriving at these border patrol stations and no facilities. >> look, there are going to be, quote, unquote, surges whether the president's name is joe biden or donald trump, or barack obama. remember, two out of three unaccompanied kids come from the northern triangle, chris in central america, guatemala, honduras, el salvador, fleeing war, gangs, violence. so there are three crucial underreported points i want you to be aware of tonight. number one, something called title 42, a 19th century public health rule that trump used to instantly expel asylum seekers, trying to use the pandemic as justification. the big, scary numbers you hear aren't real numbers. more than one in three of them are repeat crossers who get thrown out straight away.

there's no open border. biden has kept trump's title 42 policy. you would think the right would be cheering him on for doing that. number two, good news. unlike trump, biden has refused to use title 42 against unaccompanied children. they're not being expelled as secretary mayorkas explained. that's why so many kids are in detention right now. number three, trump policies being hailed by republicans didn't actually work if your definition is cutting the asylum numbers willy nilly. ben crenshaw responded by claiming the solution will remain in mexico. but the reality is remain in mexico affected only one in 20 migrants and the asylum cooperation agreements affected even fewer people. the back-to-back hurricanes, ada and iota, which battered central america and left 600,000 people

homeless had a much bigger impact on our southern border than either of those two cruel and overrated policies that biden thankfully has canceled. my first guest disagrees. dan crenshaw graciously accepted my invitation to come on the show. you don't see trump supporting republicans on the show because a lot of them don't want to come on and we don't want to give platform to republicans who just want to call us fake news. someone who has been described as, quote, the breakout star of the republican party's class of 2018. let's see. representative dan crenshaw from texas' second congressional district joins me now. good evening, congressman. thank you for joining me on the show after our online exchange. i appreciate it. i want to talk immigration with you. it's one of joe biden's biggest challenges since assuming

office. before we go any further i need to check. you didn't vote to block certifying the election result, did you? he is legitimately dealing with the border issue as president, that he won the presidential election? >> that's correct. >> okay, great. let's talk about what you and the republican party call the biden border crisis, this idea that he created it since coming to office. let me put up the numbers on the screen. you can see clearly from those numbers that since the pandemic and title 42 was brought in to expel asylum seekers, border apprehensions have gone up month after month. joe biden did not inherit falling numbers. he inherited nine consecutive months of increase at the border. it's right there on screen for single adults and families and kids. >> i'm not sure where you're getting your data from. in february there were 100,000 crossings. in november, there were about

800 people in custody, now there's about 10,000. migrants will tell you, as reporters are interviewing them, that joe biden invited them, that cartels are passing this information along. there were very specific policies that were reversed as soon as biden took office. as you mentioned, as i said in my twitter exchange, remain in mexico policy and importantly the asylum cooperation with triangle countries. this basically reinstates catch and release. when people think they're going to come across the border as long as they have a child with them and they're going to be released, it's a huge incentive to come across, especially if they get a bus ticket wherever they want and a hotel room. that's now being funded. the incentives are pretty obvious. is this a sustainable policy and is it fair to millions and millions of people around the world that are getting clogged in the system and can't get their claims heard? >> a lot of claims made there, which we'll try to unpack in the brief time we have.

i don't know where you're getting the numbers from. let's pull up the graph again. immigration, cvp numbers. if we pull up the graph i want you to have a look at that graph we just had. that's nine straight months, you can see there, title 42. >> i can't see the graph, but i can tell you, i just got off the phone with the chief of cvp. >> nine straight months of increases in immigrants apprehended at the border. >> just to be clear, you're just tenning that this massive increase happened in the last couple of months? >> no, i didn't deny there was a massive increase. i can agree there's a massive increase. can you agree there were nine months of increases prior to biden coming into obvious. >> i just got off the phone with a former cvp chiefs. about 1,000 people released into the u.s. -- >> okay. but there were nine months.

>> we agree there's a crisis now, right? we have that promise in common, right? there's a crisis now that needs to be reversed. >> i'll come back to the crisis word in a moment. i just want to check something else you said. you made these claims on fox news last week. have a listen. >> this happened overnight, okay, when president biden rescinded the remain in mexico policy, when they rescinded the asylum cooperation agreements with the triangle countries. so biden has the nerve to say quietly don't come, wink, don't come. don't come here. if you come here, we're going to give you a bus ticket wherever you want and not going to deport you. >> i'll come back to your asylum cooperations in a moment. but the rest of that is not true. nearly three out of four people -- >> i didn't say that. i didn't say that. >> were expelled straight away. 72% of people encountered the at

border last month were apprehended were instantly expelled. >> over the course of 2020, 1,000 people came into the u.s. and were released into the interior of the u.s. in 2021, it's 20,000. this came straight out of border patrol. i was down there a few weeks ago. there are very specific instances of policy reversals that have caused a massive spike in illegal immigration and people incentivized to come across our border. i'm not sure why we're debating that point i think we should debate what to do about it. >> i wonder why you went on fox and said people are not being deported. >> i didn't say that. >> when 72% of people apprehended at the border were deported. >> i never said nobody was getting deported. so our system works fairly well. you just played what i said and i didn't say that. >> i mean, you said -- hold on.

hold on. you can't -- hold on. hold on. biden has the nerve to say don't come, wink. don't come here. we're going to give you a bus ticket wherever you want. we're not going to deport you. >> that's effectively -- thank you for proving me right in saying i didn't say he's not deporting anybody. let's unpack this. our system is still intact, still works okay. single adults illegally crossing the border generally do get deported. family units are much more difficult to deal w court case called the florida settlement basically caused an incentive. this is why obama has dealt with it, trump has dealt with it. if you bring a child with you, you're going to be released into the interior, then they're going to have a bigger incentive to come. in the trump administration they said we're going to tell you to remain in mexico and adjudicate

your claim there or even better, go to your home country or neighboring country and adjudicate your claim there so you don't have to go through these smuggling routes which are unsafe and run into the arms of the drug cartels. >> i promise we will come back to remain in mexico. i need to deal with this first. you accept that 72% of people apprehended at the border are expelled? do you agree with that? >> sounds right but there's also 27,000 families that are released. >> hold on. hold on. then it's a lie to say there's an open border as kevin mccarthy, your leader, and others keep saying. that's false. if 72% of people are being deported how is that an open border? that's just a lie. >> the vast majority of people are in these family units that do not get reported. there's 1,000 a day. >> that's not true. >> just got off the phone of border patrol. listen to what i'm about to say. 1,000 a day run away, people get

away. when border patrol is dealing with hundreds and hundreds of family units at a time, the drug cartel says you walk across there, turn yourself into border patrol, they're just going to let you go. that's exactly what happens. here is what happens. border patrol becomes babysitters, bus drivers, nurses. they're not patroling the border. drug cartels love this. they're not talking points. they're facts. you need to go down there and see this for yourself. >> cvp officer is not a babysitter. >> they're being told to be. >> cannot be an open border if 72% of people are removed. that's nonsensical to claim that. you know that. i know that. >> but again, you're arguing with people -- if you want to accuse somebody else of -- i would say there's an effective open border. that's what i would say. if you want to accuse somebody else of saying things -- you haven't been able to fact check me on it, because i haven't said

it. >> i'm fact checking you now. it's not an open border if the vast number of people get expelled. >> you should go down there and see for yourself. when hundreds of people -- this is at a single crossing point in stark county in texas. single crossing point, hundres of people at night come across. >> let's talk about that. >> and get released in the interior, that's an effective open border. >> let's talk about the children. only the children who are not being turned away under title 42. biden changed the position. trump was expelling unaccompanied children under title 42, pandemic ruling and biden is saying children can stay. that's why there's a record number of children in detention. i think that's a good thing. you don't. you would rather expel unaccompanied children. you would rather tell the 4-year-old honduran boy back on his own. that's what you would do. >> we would never send him back on his own. the administration is lying

about the process of title 42. mayorkas said we're not going to put orphans in the desert. nobody should. that's a good policy. don't do that. >> that's exactly what the -- >> you just told a lie. that's not exactly what they were doing. you need to research this. you need to talk to border patrol and see what the actual process was. listen. when unaccompanied minors come across, they get processed, health care, housing, they get fed, they get on a charter plane. we ensure that they are met by government officials who then reunitee them with families there. this process is extremely meticulous. nobody, no unaccompanied minor is just sent back. that has never been -- you have to tell the truth about this. >> you are in favor of throwing them out? are you telling the truth? are you in favor of expelling unaccompanied minors, yes or no? >> would you like to change the law under title 42? let's argue about that. >> i'm happy that joe biden is not expelling children.

are you happy about that? >> i don't think young -- i think young children who are truly orphaned at our border, we can take care of them and put them through health and human services. i want to give you another statistic, though. 75% of the supposed unaccompanied supposed minors are over 15 years old and vast majority are males. this is military age in a lot of countries south of the border. >> i mean, you're telling me military of a 4-year-old child. >> let me ask you something -- a 4-year-old child, we should take care of. there's a difference between a 4-year-old crying child and a 17-year-old male. do you agree with that? >> how about 12-year-old child gustavo sent back to guatemala, unaccompanied child with learning difficulties. donald trump sent him back. that's a good thing we're not doing that. say so. own it. >> you don't think it's a good

idea to reunite that person through government services in their home country with their family? >> he wasn't reunited with his family. >> how do you know? >> he wasn't reunited with his family unfortunately. >> how do you know? how did he end up at the border? >> maybe you should do some research to use your phrase. look up gustavo. let me ask you what we were talking about on twitter. on friday you said the solution to all the border issues are the trump policies, remain in mexico and asylum cooperation agreements with the northern triangular countries. remain in mexico policy out of 1.5 billion people encountered at the border, less than 5%. that's hardly a solution. do you know how many migrants were sent to the u.s. by el salvador under these very importantly asylum cooperations, do you know the number? >> they're not sent. you don't have to go through the human smuggling routes and claim asylum. you can do it at your home country. it's more humane to do that than

saying pay off these drug cartels, making $30 million a month off of these policies. now, to reference the mpp program you just talked about, yeah, they don't send everybody back through the mpp program. it's a portion of them. that's why it's such a small portion. that's also what got this situation -- it's an incentive structure. when people believe i might get sent back to mexico. i was going to claim asylum even though, you know, i don't really have a valid claim to it. there's less of an incentive to come across. >> says you. >> says the datea. 10%, 20% end up being granted asylum. >> congressman, politifact checked you on that and said your claims are false. >> let's address that. let's address that. that's not a fact check. >> i need you to answer my question.

how many people were sent to el salvador and honduras under the asylum cooperation agreement. >> it's not a send back kind of agreement. >> but how many were? how many were sent? >> i don't have data on me. >> roughly? >> again that policy -- >> zero. >> that's because it's not -- i just explained to you what the policy is. you're not listening. >> you're telling me that was the solution, that brought down the numbers. how could it bring down the numbers? >> you apply for asylum there. are you confused? >> nobody was ever sent -- congressman -- >> you're not understanding. >> 194 people were sent to guatemala. >> it's not about sending people. it's about applying there. >> no one was ever sent there is my point. >> it's not about sending people there. >> zero, congressman. >> it's applying while you're there. >> no. asylum cooperation was about

sending people to guatemala. >> no, it's not. >> i need to -- >> you're confused about what that policy is. >> i've got to ask you this last question. >> the mpp program is about sending people back. >> you talk -- mpp, talk about it being a good way to stop smugglers, human rights groups have found 1500 people reports of abuse, kidnapping, murder, torture in mexico thanks to this program. people on that program. three out of four in the remain in mexico program were kidnapped. you're okay with the human cost of that program? the human cost? >> that's not caused by that program. that's caused by human smuggling issues. dhs investigated those claims and found -- by the way, those claims refer to about 1.5% of the total mpp population if we take them at face value. dhs investigated those claims and found that, yes, there's a

possibility you're going to get assaulted. you might be back in human smuggling if you leave the state-run facilities in mexico. that's the truth. that's what the government investigation found. if you stay within the parameters of this facility, it was safe. and we should never want people to be unsafe. but also, you know -- and i've got to fact check your fact check there on the politico fact check. the fact remains 10% of northern tribal countries are adjudicated for asylum. that fact check was the other 90%. sometimes they don't show up and other administrative issues. that wasn't fact check. >> i did look at the fact check and many people would argue the trump administration made it impossible to apply for asylum which is why we have this crisis. >> can i ask you a question? >> we're out of time. thank you for accepting my

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breaking news coming in on the january 6th attack. in a new interview with "60 minutes," investigator say sas they have enough evidence to charge suspects with sedition. claiming the former president trump, still investigating his role in inciting the attack. no doubt he's feeling the pressure by his potential legal

battles. 29 pending lawsuits against him already. seeking damages from trump's ties to the capitol insurrection on january 6th. although, no charges have been filed against him in any of these investigations yet. on friday, the former daughter-in-law of the trump organization's chief financial officer told nbc news she's spoken with investigators multiple times. outside of the trump family, alan weiselberg is one with the most understanding of the financial workings. >> what do you think he could tell investigators? >> everything they would ask. >> do you think he could be the ultimate tour guide into the trump orbit? >> yes! >> joining me to discuss all this, which of the 29 cases against trump has the best shot at holding him accountable, in

your view? are there some lawsuits you see versus others? >> well, you would have to put them in different buckets. the financial cases are very strong. but they won't hold him accountable for his abuses as president. the ones that are really serious in that respect with the fulton county prosecution, which is a prosecution for basically trying to steal the georgia election, and the prosecutions that might occur under federal law. there are two key provisions of title 18 of u.s. code. one which you referenced earlier, u.s. codes 2384, that is conspiracy to commit sedition, a fancy way of talking about trying to prevent the government from functioning.

that is punishable by 20 years in prison. the more serious one, interestingly, is punishable by only 10 years, but permanent disqualification from ever holding any state or federal office. that's title 18, u.s. code 2383. that's the one where it seems to point to the president's gift, anyone who gives aid or comfort to insurrection or rebellion. the facts as they are emerging, and i would count on an inquiry supervised by merrick garland as attorney general to see if the evidence really points there. it looks like the evidence supports a conclusion that the president and people immediately around him directly gave aid and comfort to an insurrection against the united states to prevent the government from functioning and to prevent the installation of a new president

through the counting of the electoral votes january 6th. those are incredibly serious, far more serious than the financial crimes which really have nothing to do with the president's office. >> no. i totally agree with you on that. tonight's reporting out of "60 minutes," talking about trump's potential role in all of this is fascinating. there's the election case, you mentioned the georgia election case. the trump team have tried to muddy the water in georgia, pointing out misreporting of trump's talking with the georgia. but he's still on tape with the secretary of state raffensperger. >> it's very hard to understand that conversation any other way when he says you and your lawyer are going to be in basically criminal trouble if you don't somehow, quote, find, unquote one more vote than the number by

which i lost to biden, according to your count. so, finding one extra vote, that's just code for give me a victory that i didn't win, or else you're in trouble. that's extortion, violation of the election laws. we heard it with our own ears in real time. >> you're an expert not just on the law, but on legal history. answer me this. do we have any precedent? not in u.s. history, we certainly don't. to see a u.s. president put behind bars, i look around the world. we see it happen in israel, france, anywhere else. can the american public really be up to seeing a former president be put in prison?

>> i'm not advocating any particular outcome yet. it seems to me that's alice in wonderland. let's have the evidence first, conduct a trial if the evidence warrants, then discuss the question of what sentence is appropriate. people say it's terrible to imagine donald trump in an orange jumpsuit really are not exploring the question, what's the meaning of letting donald trump just go free? any other citizen, especially one with enormous power, who tried to do what he did, who tried to stop the installation of the next president, the transition of power that is the hall marc of democracy should not go off scot-free. it's premature. but to turn the page and move on and say there's no accountability for anything except his crooked finances would be a terrible mistake.

we have to follow the evidence where it leads. >> yeah. >> and follow the law with where it points. it seems to me then we can decide which is worse, seeing a former president in jail or let him go scot-free, and try to steal the election and overturn an election. >> accountability, as you say, is what matters more than anything else. lawrence tribe, thank you for your insights tonight. appreciate it. >> thank you. up next, if the wave of hate hitting the asian-american community took you by surprise, well, you haven't been paying attention. it's personal for "cobra chi" star tamlyn tomita. she joins me next. first, richard is here with the headlines. >> the city of miami beach is extending emergency

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today, nbc news learned that investigators have yet to find evidence that would support

federal charges. the investigation has found that he was motivated by sex not race. >> whatever the killer's motive, these facts are clear. six out of the eight people killed tuesday night were of asian descent. seven were women. the shootings took place in businesses owned by asian-americans. the shootings took place as violent hate crimes and discrimination against asian-americans has risen dramatically over the last year and more. >> the vice president said the facts are clear. over the last year, more than 3,700 anti-asian hate incidents were reported. asian women made up a far larger share of those reports. 68%. tamlcn tomita. we saw her on-screen in "cobra chi" most recently. thank you for coming on the

show. i want to get your reaction to what happened in georgia this past week. >> my man, mehdi, thank you so much for having me. as with so many other persons across this country that we're going through waves of grief, rage, sadness, the confirmation that our paranoia is real, that people are out there targeting us as asian-american women and our elders who are easy targets for persons who are going through a traumatic period of coronavirus and the previous administration labeling us as such. and we've been activated, energized, exhausted but still galvanized as a community, as with other people of color. >> asian-mile an hour women make up a large number of crimes this

past year. >> mehdi, you are bringing up a lot of things that i have not been able to talk about outside my own family. the fact that i was grabbed by the pussy, had my boobs touched in gatherings, because people wanted to check out if it was true about asian women, those kinds of beliefs, the sexualization, hyper sexualization of asian women are true, with the love, honor and surprise of receiving the re-enactment of "cobra chi," i have a memory of the answering machine message of somebody

saying i'm going to f you and then i'm going to f you over, because who do you think you are, komiko? so this is the kind of baggage that not only me, but so many other asian-american women carry. >> and i'm so sorry that you've had to carry. and it's horrifying and so sad to hear what people like yourself had to go through. you mentioned baggage as well. this is nt some 1980s, 2000s. this is part of this country's history. you talked about after learning about the internment of japanese-americans, learning of that when you were in high school. you went home and asked your father if he had been a victim of that and he said yes. what was that like for you to learn? >> it was shocking. you're reading u.s. history and a small paragraph that 120,000 japanese americans were interned on the west coast and you think, oh, my god, dad, did that happen to you? yes. the shock of it all.

what happened and why? this is our own u.s. government interning, imprisoning, incarcerating americans of japanese descent merely because of how they look. as we go back into our asian-american histories, there are histories that are not told. history is not about the past. it's about the stories we tell about the past, according to grace lee boggs. we're trying to uncover them and find that these acts of discrimination have occurred not only with asian-americans but black americans, latino americans, lgbtq, with indigenous americans and we're all finding out together. we're trying to link together in solidarity to tell all the layers of stories, the lasagna timeline of our history. >> i'm so glad you're doing that and briefly we could give you a platform to talk about that. are we going to see you in season four of "cobra kai"? >> wish me luck, mehdi because i'm with you as well.

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hr 1 is moving to the senate. last week during an invitation-only call, texas senator ted cruz said democrats are trying to expand voting rights to illegal aliens, and i kid you not, child molesters. according to the brennan center for justice more than 250 bills across 43 states have been introduced to restrict voting

rights. unifying the republican party, they have eclipsed their traditional issues like abortion, gun riots and tax cuts. and joining me is the ceo of the new georgia project. thank you for coming on the show. i want to begin by getting your reaction to the absurd comments by ted cruz. >> i think that's it, it's absurd. those are the desperate cries of a desperate man on behalf of a desperate party that is searching for relevance and is doing everything within their power to hang on to power while more and more americans are rejecting their politics of white nationalism. >> so you are on the ground in georgia, which is ground zero, as i said, for the voter suppression effort for obvious reasons, and what is your

strategy and fellow activists strategy to prevent the bills in the georgia state legislature? >> one, georgia is recognized as ground zero and it's absolutely important that we important that this is happening in 43 states, and it's coordinated and organized and well funded. we recently learned through the heritage foundation, spending $700,000 on ads to support the voter suppression bills in georgia alone. what we need to understand, we are trying to make the argument to the legislators saying this is not good for democracy, and talking to our corporate neighborhoods if you will, and we have identified about six or seven of them who have given

over $7 million to the republican vote suppressers. then, hr1, hr1, hr4 that we need a federal standard for elections, because fighting in freeway state legislators -- sorry. >> i was going to say, sorry, you are making the point of hr1, and i have to ask what are the stakes if it doesn't pass the senate because of the filibuster? >> right. i think we are going to be in for more violent, angry politics of white nationalism. i think the -- people think that we have gotten rid of the politics of the former president because he got kicked off of twitter or because parlor got kicked out of the app stores but there's still organizing happening among these promoters

of the big lie, and we are not going to get anything done in terms of restarting the economy if we do not fix this, if we do not protect or democracy or pass hr1. >> we have had attacks on voting rights before. just remind our viewers how different and unprecedented this current wave is. >> well, i mean, i would like to say it's unprecedented, but it's really important today, quite frankly, it's the first day of the anniversary of the soma march, and that was 56 years ago, and there's precedent for this and there's also precedent for the federal government to step in and protect human rights and civil rights when the states couldn't or wouldn't.

>> yeah, i am glad you corrected me, because it's clearly precedented in this country, and are you going to win this fight? >> we have to win this fight, collectively it is far too important for hopes and dreams and the ability to govern, we have to win this fight. national republicans are spending an extraordinary amount of money to continue to perpetuate the big lie that the former president lost because of voter fraud, and 43 states, and we are seeing anti-protesting bills. with this attack on sort of the sacred fundamental right and the attack on the first amendment i shutter to think the kind of country we will be. >> same here.

thank you so much for coming on this show tonight. it's a big issue for the country, for you and for me and for the show, as i said before. i appreciate your time. >> thank you. to the rest of you watching, thank you -- to the rest of you watching at home, we will be right back here monday through thursday at 7:00 p.m. eastern. now it's time to turn it over to my colleagues, joshua johnson. good evening. >> before you run off, i have to know what is on your mind in the conversation with congressman crenshaw. >> we tried. i don't agree with a lot of what he said and i think there was a lot of -- let's be honest, fact inaccuracies. >> i appreciate you at least talking to somebody that you disagreed with, giving him a chance to engage, which is something that we will discuss later in the program, but very

interesting conversation with the congressman. thank you and you have a good night. hello to you. it's good to be with you tonight. america is slowly getting ahead of covid-19, but michigan is facing an alarming rise in cases. governor gretchen whitmer is here to talk about how her state will deal with the surge. tonight protests continue across america condemning attacks against asian-americans, including last week's fatal shootings in the atlanta area. we'll have an update. and march madness was one of covid's first casualties, and now it's back with some pretty dramatic changes. one team chanced to the next round without even having to play. from nbc news world headquarters in new york, i am joshua johnson. welcome to "the week."