wait another minute, let alone an hour, to take common sense steps or save the lives in the future and urge my colleagues in the house and senate to act. we can ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines in this country once again. i got that done when i was a senator. it passed. it was the law for the longest time. and it brought down these mass killings. we should do it again. we can close loopholes in our background check system, including the charleston loophole. that's one of the best tools we have right now to prevent gun violence. the senate should immediately pass -- let me say it again -- the united states senate -- i hope some are listening -- should immediately pass the two house-passed bills and close loopholes in the background check system. these are bills that receive votes from both republicans and

democrats in the house. this is not and should not be a participate destine issue. this this is an american issue. it will save lives, american lives. we have to act. we should also ban assault weapons in the process. i'll have much more to say as we learn more but i want to be clear, those poor folks who died left behind families and leaves a big hole in their hearts and -- and we can save lives, increasing the background checks that are supposed to occur and eliminate assault weapons and the size of magazines. we don't know all of the details yet on that. but i will be talking to you more later today or in the next couple of days about what else we know. may god bless you all, and those families who are mourning today because of gun violence in colorado, georgia, all across the country. we have to act so there's not

more of you, there's fewer of you, as time goes on. thank you so much. >> all right, welcome to tuesday. it is "meet the press daily." i'm kasie hunt in for chuck todd. we've been listening to president joe biden make his first remarks about last night's deadly mass shooting at a boulder, colorado supermark. we first want to bring you the latest on the shooting and investigation. police in colorado released the names of the ten victims in last night's shootings. they range in age from 20 to 65 and they include boulder police officer eric talley, a father of seven, who was the first officer on the scene as the shooting unfolded. president biden remarked on officer talley's heroism and offered his sympathy to the family at the white house moments ago. police have also named a suspect who's been charged with ten

counts of first degree murder and will soon be transferred to the boulder county jail. the district attorney and boulder police chief were alongside police officers as they gave the update today. >> i wish i could say here and promise that the pain will heal quickly. it won't. but for the family and friends and our community, the loss endures. >> there's a lot that we don't know. there's a lot still unfolding from yesterday's events. but let me simply say this, this cannot be our new normal. >> and this all comes just days after last tuesday's shootings at atlanta area spas left eight people dead. president biden called for action on gun reform just moments ago, but before we turn to what's happening here in washington, let's go, first, to

nbc's steve patterson, who is on the ground in boulder with the latest. steve, you and i spoke very, very early this morning. bring us up to speed on what we learned since we last talked. >> well, first things first, the police releasing the names of all ten victims. this is something they said was part of their mission statement, to get this done as soon as possible so they could identify next of kin and help heal this community. that is something they have done overnight. by 4:00 this morning, all family members knew of next of kin that were killed in that shooting. the second thing as you mentioned, the suspect's name, i won't rename him, he's 21 years old. he's in the hospital as you mentioned because of an injury sustained on his leg. he met exchange with police as they took him down. the third thing is that police in the community are remembering the lives lost but more specifically, 51-year-old eric

talley, rushed to go in, first in the line of duty, first to go in and fire and help save lives, and his action did help save more lives that could have been lost in the shooting. he believes behind seven children ranging in age from 20 to 7 years old. also important to talk about the victims, their ages as you mentioned, ranging from 20 years old to 65. almost an equal number of 20-year-olds to 50-year-olds to 60-year-olds. gives you a sense of this community, a borderline college town mixed in with a mixed family town. this community obviously reeling. we heard from the mayor, we heard from the fbi, from local agencies, all of them saying they're working together, interviewing suspects and witnesses -- sorry, not suspects, witnesses. and they're trying to get to the bottom of the motive which may not be for the next few days or so. police said this is early on in the investigation.

they may not have a sense of why this happened, which is the most frustrating thing to hear but it is the most true thing because they have much more work to do as far as processing the scene and interviewing those witnesses. we spoke, the d.a. shed a little bit of light on the investigation and where it is currently. i want you to listen to his words. take a listen to this. >> why did this happen? we don't have the answer to that yet and the investigation is in the very early stages and investigators are working hard to determine that. that information will come. what i can tell you today is that boulder and colorado is giving its very best to the response of what happened. we've had agencies from all around the metro area, district attorneys and prosecutors from all around the state of colorado. >> part of what we don't know is the weapon that was used here, which likely will lead into your next discussion, kasie.

we don't know if this was a long gun. if this was an ar-style rifle that may have been covered under a previous ordinance that was here that has been struck down in enforcement or whether or not that will factor into the national debate about gun laws. but inevitably, that is the next phase of what everybody will talk about. back to you. >> steve patterson, thank you very much for that report. and the aftermath of the mass shooting in colorado brings us to an all-too-familiar moment for americans and an all-too-familiar situation for americans, will this time be different? before the sandy hook mass car, democrats controlled all of the levers of of power in washington, albeit very negatively. in the week of this tragedy, they're pushing for action. >> inaction has made this horror

completely predictable. inaction by this congress makes us complicit. >> we're senate leaders. what are we doing -- what are we doing other than reflecting and praying? we're known to the numbers. unless we're personally touched, it's just another statistic. that's got to stop. >> we have a lot of work to do. i have already committed to bringing universal background check legislation to the floor of the senate. this senate will be different. the senate is going to debate and address the pandemic of gun violence in this country. >> and president biden has pledged action as well. we heard from him just moments ago calling for -- calling for the senate to actually take action. and in fact on the anniversary of the parkland shooting in february, he said he would not wait for the next mass shooting

to end our epidemic of gun violence. that, of course, was before atlanta and now before boulder. but while democrats are pledging action, the biggest obstacle they face is arguably the same one that stands in the way of so much of the president's ambitious agenda and that is the 60-vote threshold in the senate due to the latest filibuster. the house passed two bipartisan bills this month that seek to expand background checks. this is a policy that has overwhelming support among the general public. those same bills were passed in the last session only to language in the republican-controlled senate. moments ago, president biden urged the senate to pass those two bills, and also called for legislation to ban assault weapons. >> the united states senate, i hope some are listening, should immediately pass the two house bills to close loopholes in the

background check system. these are bills that received votes from both republicans and democrats in the house. this is not and should not be a partisan issue. this is an american issue. it will save lives, american lives. we have to act. we should also ban assault weapons in the process. >> nbc's mike memoli's outside the white house for us and nbc's leigh ann caldwell is on capitol hill. mike, let me start with you only because we just heard from president biden on this issue. he did call to renew the assault weapons ban that, of course, was passed originally when he was in the senate and then allowed to expire. he also, of course, spoke about the victims and their families and what they're going through right now, which is, of course, something joe biden as you know so well, has endured such personal tragedy in his own life. what stood out to you in terms of what we heard from the president just a few minutes

ago, mike? >> well, kasie, you may be able to hear the engines of marine one, the president just took off behind me from the south lawn, as he heads to ohio. as i was listening to his remarks though a few moments ak, one thing that was clear to me having spent a lot of time coverings joe biden over a few years was the degree he went off script on several moments. first of all, preempt some of the reporters' questions what he learned from his attorney general, team at the white house about the motive the shooter and other circumstances around this. also to lean into, and the first time, frankly, in his nearly nine weeks now, to this issue of gun safety. if you remember during the course of the campaign, this idea in the crowded democratic primary then-candidate joe biden was the only person on that stage that had taken on the nra and defeated them was something he really used to try to

distinguish himself in that race. this is in a lot of ways sort of rubber meets the road in this moment for this president. yes, the white house has had some meetings with gun safety advocates, with community leaders on the margins here. the president himself had not discussed the issue of guns until last friday, when he was in atlanta talking about, of course, the spa shootings there. he called it a public safety, public health crisis that was unfolding at this point. and so after the newtown shooting, when biden was then vice president, president biden put him in charge of a task force at the white house to look at legislative and executive actions he could take. we have not seen any thus far from this president now that he's in the white house. significantly, as you mentioned, kasie, it was eight years ago the manchin/toomey debate really was in full swing on capitol hill. it got that manchin-toomey amendment more than 50 votes but not enough to overcome the filibuster and that remains that

obstacle at this point. i believe we have sound, i asked then-candidate biden specifically if he would support abolishing it before the legislation. what he said at that time. >> i think we have to make that call, ending the filibuster is a very dangerous thing to do because it's been used by progressives our whole time to make sure we did not get rolled over when republicans said, you know, you start off and say let's get rid of the filibuster, it sounds great until they own it all. it sounds great. >> as we see that chaotic scene from the iowa state fair in what feels like a different era, different lifetime. it's worth noting politically this is a very different moment as well. now that he's in the white house, the president's broader legislative agenda may will depend on abolishing the

filibuster. we heard this american president say he's for the first time, even with decades in the senate, someone more of an institutionalist more than i'd alog, opening to these talking points. >> it does, as you said, mike, a make a good point. i have to ask you somebody who watched closely for all of these years, do you think he's ready to make a real change here? when they're talking about the process of the filibuster and institution of the senate, i think democrats have come to think we're on losing ground doing that but if we have republican standing in the way of closing some of these loopholes, some of these most popular pieces of gun reform and republicans still say no, do you think that moves joe biden, mike? >> it was interesting in this context, the conversation i had with a leading progressive lawmaker during the campaign,

where this person said she learned something which she was engaged with the biden team as far as bernie sanders/joe biden task forces for policy recommendations, and that was the president now could be moved on issues if it's demonstrated to him there's significant public support, a will politically to get this done tonight extent the president can see the public might support taking this action, i think that might lead him in the direction of moving as well. of course, i also think the president is not going to get ahead of where the votes are in the senate. so as we're having this discussion, it's also very relevant what senator joe manchin and what a senator kyrsten sinema thinks of this. if they can be moved on this, i think the president would be inclined to move as well. >> that's interesting. leann caldwell, that, of course, brings me to you. where do you think these two people, john manchin and krysten sinema, stand and what are the dynamics as we sit here covering

yet another mass shooting in america? >> there are a couple of things, kasie, as far as the filibuster is concerned, everybody talks about the simple 50 vote as opposed to the 60-vote threshold, but that's if all democrats are on board the legislation. as far as the measures that passed the house of representatives a couple weeks ago have not been brought up in the senate just yet. senator manchin just told reporters in the past 30 years he didn't support the house bill. so that is still a big -- getting all democrats on board is still a challenge. remember senator manchin had background check legislation with senator pat toomey of pennsylvania, which had been brought up in the senate twice. once in 2013 after sandy hook and once in 2015. both of those times, that bill does not go nearly as far as the house universal background check

bill that senator manchin just said he doesn't support, but when those two bills -- when that bill was brought up in the senate, both times it got the support of just two republicans. only two of those republicans remain in the senate, senator susan collins and senator pat toomey. so democrats have said -- democratic leader schumer has said he plans, regardless of where republicans stand, regardless of where senator manchin stands, he's going to bring the two house bills, gun bills up for a vote on the senate floor to see where people stand. so that is not an exercise to get them to the president's desk. it's an exercise in getting people on the record, and that's also a big signal that schumer and democrats think the public is on their side, not only on the policy but politically on these gun issues, kasie. >> and that's exactly what i

wanted to ask you about, because the reality is, and i remember i covered the newtown shootings extensively. i sat in rooms while there were pictures taken of weeping parents with small children talking about senators with what to do, we all know they ultimately did nothing after that. since then we went through parkland, which saw these young people step out into the spotlight, talk about their own experiences going to school, being afraid to go to school and trying to put pressure on elected officials, that has clearly affected people like senator rick scott of florida, for example, this is a much different issue for him than perhaps it would have been absent something like that. broadly, there is pressure on republicans, especially in suburbs. there's going to be an election in pennsylvania, you mentioned pat toomey, where the philadelphia and pittsburgh suburban areas make a huge difference. there's going to be a senate election in georgia, where the suburbs of atlanta clearly

things are moving. do republicans feel like there's a risk as being seen as blocking not just a weapons assault ban but any significant gun safety measures? or what was really, frankly, the least they could do became suddenly politically untallettable and untenable, are they going to be able to maintain that in this kind of environment politically? >> it seems to me this is another issue that republicans have bet voters aren't going to vote specifically on this issue. it's one more issue that they are voting in a way that is at odds with the majority of people. senator minority mitch mcconnell said after the election republicans have a lot of work to do, especially in the suburbs and especially with suburban women. when things like these shootings

happen in suburbs and impact a father of seven, a police officer, who is a father of seven, 20-year-old kid, really, other people in their 20s it's heartbreak ig. and these are things that resonate with these voters. just like the covid relief bill that this had 70% support among the public, republicans unanimously voted against that. republicans are right now showing no signs that they are planning on changing their posture on guns. senate minority leader mcconnell gave a speech on the senate floor this morning when the senate opened like he does every morning, he didn't even mention what happened in boulder. an aide said he's expected to talk about it later today when he has a gaggle with reporters but he did not put it in the congressional record at this point on the senate floor. there's no signs to me at this moment that things are going to change among the republican

party, who are elected members of this congress, kasie. >> i'm glad you raised that and made that point, there was a ceremonial heft to the senate floor and not mentioning it, pretty significant statement where things stand. mike caldwell, leigh ann caldwell, thank you very much. coming up -- we will talk to the chairman of the sandy hook task force about what can realistically happen now. and as we pass the 30 million covid cases, fears are growing about a fourth wave. plus, the new setback that's putting vaccine maker astrazeneca back in the hot seat. azeneca back in the hot seat

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welcome back. in the wake of a pair of mass shootings in less than a week and kbhepts we just heard from president biden, the question

turns now to a renewed push in congress for gun reform. we just heard president biden call for the senate to pass legislation that recently passed the house, and that includes a bipartisan bill requiring universal background checks. that bill was spearheaded by my next guest. i'm joined by the chair of the house, gun violence prevention task force, democratic congressman from california, mike thompson. congressman, thank you very much for being here. you just heard my colleague leigh ann caldwell report even as president biden was calling on the senate to pass the bill you already passed in the house for background checks that senator john manchin said he doesn't support the house version, he wants changes to it. if democrats in the senate can't even all get on board with this, is there any hope at all that legislation like what you sent over to the house could ever become law? >> kasie, thank you for having me on. this is a very tragic morning for all of us. i worked with john manchin on this issue for the last eight years, and i'm confident that he

will be supporting legislation that will increase background checks. we've had numerous conversations about this. i don't know what his particular concerns are regarding hr-8 but it is in fact a bill that passed with bipartisan support from the house, a bill that has 90% approval rating amongst the american people, and i'm sure that there are a number of things we can can do to make it better and i look forward to working with senator manchin, along with senator murphy, who is the lead senator out there on the bill, to improve it to ensure that it provides the most protection possible. >> so congressman, you've been working on this issue for a long time. i feel like i have been coverings these mass shootings from capitol for a depressingly

long time, and big push after shootings like sandy hook and parkland and nothing's been done. my question to you, do you think we have moved over time where nothing has been brought down tragedy by tragedy that it will be untenable to approve thins that are supported by 80% to 90% of the public, simple things like background checks, are will we just go through this again? >> kasie, certainly the needle has moved but, remember, it's not just these high-visibility tragedies that have people concerned. g every day 30 people are killed by someone using a gun. if you add accidents and suicides, the numbers jump up to 100 people a day. the american people are tired of this. they want to be able to pray safely in church. they want to be able to go to the grocery store, to a concert, to the movies.

they are done with this. they have congress to act. the only place the needle isn't moving is on the republican side of the aisle in the use congress. >> so congressman, we heard president biden mention the assault weapons ban, which, of course, was originally passed while he was a member of the senate. he mentioned the fact it had gotten through congress when he was there. it, of course, was allowed to expire and has not been renewed and there was one point where that seemed like the obvious thing to do and the politics of that dramatically changed. does it help to have the president put the assault weapons ban on the table the way he did in his speech? what was your reaction to him doing that? >> well, i wasn't surprised, kasie. he ran on this issue. he's always been opposed to military-type assault weapons in civilian hands in our communities. and he's not alone. the american people agree with him. i think 60-some percent support

that. but the issue before us today are background checks and tightening up the background check process so it works appropriately and keeps people safe. if we can't get republicans to joan us on this very common sense piece of legislation, it's going to be impossible to get them to join us on anything else. >> so congressman, how do you think the politics play into this, including in the house? you mentioned this bill did pass with some bipartisan support, and obviously we've seen, especially suburban communities and suburban women shift away from the republican party over the course of the last few years. obviously, a lot of that was about president trump but i think some of it was also about guns and the gun issue. how do you think the politics of this have shifted in the last few years? >> as you pointed out, kasie, every times this a high

visibility tragedy such as the one we're talking about today, the numbers increase. i'm a gun owner. you know that. i support the second amendment. my friends, my gun friends, people who hunt and shoot and have weapons for protection agree, there's some people that just shouldn't have guns. if you're a criminal or you're dangerously mentally ill, a danger to yourself or others, you shouldn't be able to get within a county of a gun. so the idea that somehow not doing this bill is appropriate is -- is just a fallacy. we need to do everything we can to keep people in our communities safe. >> congressman mike thompson, thank you very much for your time today. i really appreciate your insights >> and we've got some breaking news out of minneapolis, where the jury selection in the trial of former police officer derek chauvin is now complete.

15 jurors have been selected. 12 permanent jurors, who alternates and one backup in case a juror drops out to decide chauvin's case in the death of george floyd. nine of the 15 are women, six men and in the case with significant implications nine jurors are white, four are black and two multiracial. the court only has room for 14 jurors so it's unlikely this last juror will make it to monday when the opening arguments are scheduled to begin. the court will be in recess until then and msnbc will have full coverage of the trial when it begins. up next, we're going to break down what we know and don't know about the new concerns surrounding astrazeneca's vaccine, with the top infectious disease doctor from johns hopkins. the team th. the only one from america's most reliable network. we designed our 5g to make the things you do every day, better. with 5g nationwide, millions of people can now work, listen, and stream in verizon 5g quality.

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in their trial data. a day after it was reported 98% safe and effective. it remains to be seen if this will affect the approval here in the u.s. astrazeneca said it will share updates on its trial within 48 hours. meanwhile, officials are warning of another possible surge as the u.s. mark more than 30 million confirmed coronavirus cases and nearly 550,000 deaths. here now an infectious disease physician at the johns hopkins center for health and security. thank you very much for helping us understand this. you heard dr. fauci talking a little bit about this vaccine. i think the main concern here is the hesitancy, while our problem has been supply, pretty soon getting everyone vaccinated is going to be an issue of demand and convincing skeptical americans to get the shot. how does what's going on with

astrazeneca affect that part of our effort? >> i think it's only going to increase vaccine hesitancy because people aren't going to remember this is sort of an inside baseball debate over how you calculate efficacy numbers and what cutoff they used for when the trial was kind of over its primary end point. what you will remember, there were issues with the safety monitoring board, there were issues with blood clots, there was stoppages of the trial, that are not going to basically have the ability to look at the overall picture and know this was a safe and efficacious vaccine, one that's making great strides in the united kingdom. so i do worry about the ramifications of these type of discussions and the way it gets handled when people just read headlines and not all of the small print in the article they may be seeing. >> can you talk to us a little bit about why this is in use in europe and not yet approved here

in the united states? and would you feel comfortable taking the astrazeneca vaccine today based on authorities that have approved it or do you think that would be something to give the fda pause in allowing it to be used here? >> i would feel 100% comfortable getting an astrazeneca vaccine. it's not only being used in europe, it's being used in canada. the u.s. is actually donating doses no canada and mexico. we stockpiled this vaccine as part of operation warped speed. i think it's a safe and efficacious vaccine. what i think that happened is there were issues in the dosing in the half trial in europe, where they gave a full dose versus two full-dose regimen and they couldn't figure out why the efficacy was better with the half source and that raised questions for the fda and the head of the operation warped speed during the trump administration talked about it not being ready for approval athat point. many in the field wants this vaccine available immediately,

we wanted it to be basically available at the same time it was in the united kingdom as well as canada. i think it will eventually cross that finish line for emergency use authorization. hopefully astrazeneca can sort out its data problems with the fda and dsmb at nigh jad. the quicker we get this approved, we can accelerate our vaccine and that's the goal, get the speed limit going and biggest menu for vaccines for americans so we can put this pandemic behind us. >> let's talk also about the rest of the world, you mentioned canada and mexico, the fact we're donating some doses. do you think america is going to need the stockpile of astrazeneca vaccine by the time we actually get an approval or do you think it would be better used vaccinating people across the world? i mean, none of us here are going to be completely safe to covid-19 until this vaccine is available to, quite literally, everyone. >> i think it all depends what

the timeline is of the fda emergency use authorization. when astrazeneca submits their eua application, if that could be acted on quickly, i think it could have an impact. if it's going to be several months down the line before they get to the astrazeneca vaccine or eua's issued, i think we will be better off giving this to other parts of the world where they can actually implement the use immediately, and that might be canada, mexico, or other parts of the globe. it depends how comfortable the fda is with astrazeneca and how imminent the eua will be. >> big picture on the vaccinations, number u.s. per day is on the rise. anecdotally is realizing for the most part it's becoming more available in their communities and at the same time it's still a race against these variants and different things popping up. how do you think -- and what do you make of the warning that we heard from the cdc director about the possibility of another

surge? >> i definitely think we're going to continue to see more cases but eventually we'll have to start decoupling our case counts because of hospitalization and death. that's what the data is doing, getting put into the arms of vulnerable individuals, nursing homes, people with high-risk conditions. conditionally we're going to see this virus that lost its ability to kill or threaten hospital capacity and we will have to stop focusing on just the sheer number of cases. people still have to be careful and we don't want this to spread uncontrolled but we'll have a different respiratory virus, one that is tamer and defanged and hopefully that will help us not have the experience europe is having. we're putting 2 million to 3 million doses into people's arm and hospital capacity is increasing right now. >> which is a little bit of good news. speaking of good news, "the washington post" had a report that i was hoping you could help

us understand the science. early studies show mothers pass immunity on to their babies. how do we learn this and what does that tell you about whether pregnant women, especially, should take the vaccine? >> what we're doing is studying babies that are born to pregnant women who have been vaccinated or breast fed by vaccinated women and looking for antibodies that might have been generated by the vaccine in the mother and see if they're present in the fetus or present in the baby or breast milk and being able to correlate that with the vaccination someone had gotten and i think this is one way to think about the vaccine, not only are you protecting the pregnant woman, you're also going to be giving that baby antibodies for some period of time that pass through the placenta. many infectious diseases do this. this is why we vaccine influenza in the third trimester. this is something we do for vaccines, that's how we kind of cocoon the infant, newborn and protect them when they don't have the ability to form all of

the antibodies on their own, that maternal immunization can be beneficial. i think we will get more data and this will be found to be an important measure for pregnant the women to be vaccinated. >> some important information for women who are always thinking, of course, about what may or may not be the best thing for their babies. many dr. aldajia, thank you very much for your expertise coming up -- criticism as conditions are crowded at migrant facilities. we'll be live in texas next. we'll be live in texas next. and get the same fast relief in a delightful chew with pepto bismol chews.

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welcome back. for the first time since joe biden became president, the government is releasing images from inside the facilities where unaccompanied minors at the board are being process. they released two videos from

texas, this one in el paso and this one in donna, texas. that was the facility that was seen in photos released yesterday by texas congressman henry kwoiar's office. officials at dhs and cdp did not immediately comment on the issue but officials did not dispute their authenticity. those agencies are tightlipped about the situation at the border but our own dasha burns was able to speak to one border patrol agent who is also the vice president of the union who represents those agents. and dasha joins us from hill da go, texas. dasha, what have you learned? >> the first step is now an important next step for access in the facilities, especially the donna facility, which we know is the epicenter of overcrowding. what we saw in the videos, they do largely line up with what we've been hearing, there are no kids in cages there but they are

overcrowded. we saw a little bit of that in the videos that were released, particularly the four-minute video from donna where you see kids inside partitions, more kids than there should be. we know that facility is significantly overcrowded. i would say in the seven minutes or so that were released from the facility in el paso and donna, we only saw a few minutes of the sleeping video of children and other parts of empty rooms. that's why access is so important. it's hard to tell the mood and state of these children from these videos. i did get a chance to speak to chris cabrera, who is vice president of the national border patrol council. and he told me he felt like he and his agents were significantly unequipped, they were not well enough prepared to deal with a humanitarian crisis of this scale, particularly one involving chirp. he said that is not their role to play. he told me we're border patrol

agents, we're not day care. i want you to take a listen to just a little bit of my conversation with him. >> well, you know, i don't think it's necessarily what they could have done to prepare us. i think it's more along the lines of what could they have done to prepare in general. if you're going to take a policy out, you got to have something to back up that policy. if your sink overflows and you have to take the pipes out, are you going to put a bucket under there to catch the overflow or take it out and let it go where it wants? that's what we're doing now. we got a flood of humanity and nothing is in place, anything that was in place was pulled, and now there's nothing in place to stop it. >> kasie, he also said right now customer you ups and border patrol facilities are the only ones have a vacancy sign. everyone else has a no vacancy sign posted, and pointed the finger at hhs for not quickly enough taking these kids from

border patrol custody to hhs custody, where they really should be. it's those facilities that are much more equipped to handle taking care of these children, kasie. >> and it is, of course, where they're supposed to be because as you rightly point out facilit children frankly need. thank you very much for your reporting. we really appreciate it. >> and joining me now to talk more about this difficult situation is the democrat from texas, whose district is near the mexico border. congressman, thanks very much for being with us. let me pick up where dasha left off in terms of the failures, clear failures at the border. we don't have the capacity to treat these children in the way that we have promised that we will treat them based on our asylum laws. why is it not already being done to build this capacity? >> well, what i have been

advocating for, we asked for people to apply for asylum in their home or neighboring countries and create safe zones in southern mexico, guatemala, honduras. and places along the way. and have them processed there. if they qualify, they can get on a plane and fly in. we have to come to terms with the fact that 80% of asylum seekers never qualify for asylum. they get absorbed by our economy because we have a labor shortage in which we need to address separately and independently. so we have a broken immigration system that needs a holistic approach. we need a robust guest worker program, we need to find a path for citizenship or people that have legal status here who have been here a long time working with no criminal record and have been participating in our society. we have a broken immigration system. what we are seeing on our southern border is just one part

of it. >> so i want to show you how the white house characterized what's going on. you've called the system broken. they will not yet go so far as to call what's happening a crisis. i want to show you what jen psaki said yesterday. and then we'll talk about it. watch. . >> now that the public has seen that, is that not a crisis and what conditions are situations, what metrics would have to be in place for the administration to call it that? . >> well, children presenting at our border who are fleeing violence, fleeing prosecution, terrible situations is not a crisis. we feel it is our responsibility to humanely approach this circumstance and make sure they are treated and put in conditions that are safe. >> congressman, is it a crisis? >> well, whether you want to

call it a crisis or a problem or a challenge or whether you want to call it facilities or cages, it is all an issue that needs to be addressed and all a problem for americans across our country that need to deal with this. so let's figure out what we need to bring solutions to this issue. and we get caught up in the politics of it. this itself, the labels itself are politics. we have a lot of political partisan groups coming down here to gain political points. but nobody is offering solutions. for me living on the border, it's not political or ideological. this is everyday life for us. and we're in the middle of a pandemic where i have lost 3,000 constituents here in south texas -- >> is it not a crisis for these children to be in these kinds of settings and these kinds of situations. . >> we could call it a crisis, challenge or problem, but it's something we need to have solutions for. i'm tired of the political ping pong of putting titles on things. right now we have been talking

about the problem is, whether you want to call it a problem, a crisis or a challenge. the conversation should be how are we going to stop it? how are we going to fix it? the only way is by creating these processing centers i've been talking to the media and everyone else who wants to listen. we're going to continue deal with this issue on our southern border. and until we make the investments that we need to do in the three central american countries like we did in mexico years ago where people stopped migrating because we created conditions for people to stay home instead of making this 2,000 mile trek to our southern border, we are going to continue dealing with this. i want to organize a bipartisan group of members of congress to come down here. and people who want to find solutions, not gain political points. >> so let's talk about those solutions here. because we saw just now in that

interview that dasha burns did there is feeling on the part of customs and border protections there are failures in hhs. and whispers in washington that the homeland security is disappointed. who dropped the ball and who needs to pick it up? . >> well, i think every department needs to pick it up and we need to work together in a bipartisan fashion, bicameral fashion and work with mexico, which i think there was a trip today scheduled down to mexico city. mexico can do a lot more to help us on their southern border and help us slow some of this migration down and deal with it in a civilized way. the fact is we are enriching, helping enrich cartels when we allow the migration to arrive at our southern border. they have probably made $700 million in profit by charging them to come to our southern

border. they are funds coming from the united states of america from their relatives who already live here who are wiring money down to get people to the southern border. that's why we need to stop them earlier on, keep the cartels out of it, keep women safe from getting raped, making sure children are safe making this trek. this reunification program that the biden administration is reimplementing is a great start to stopping the issue that is occurring at our southern border now and finding a solution. but that can't be the end of it. and we need to have a process in place -- i've been talking about these processing centers on your southern border since i arrived five years ago when we didn't have any of this mass migration showing up. i was ignored then and here we are still talking about the same exact thing. we'll continue having these issues. it is not about party. my own party is upset about some of the declarations that i make.

i do it for the people of south texas, the state that i love and people dealing with this in everyday life. this is just life for us. >> all right. congressman vicente gonzalez, thank you for your time. and thank you all for being here with us this hour. i'll be back for more much on "meet the press" daily. and 5:00 a.m. et. d 5:00 a.m. et ! [music: “you're the best” by joe esposito] [music: “you're the best” by joe esposito] [triumphantly yells] [ding] don't get mad. get e*trade and take charge of your finances today. not everybody wants the same thing. don't get mad. that's why i go with liberty mutual

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good afternoon. i'm katy tur. it is 2:00 approximately in the east. as we come on air, this country is in mourning after another mass shooting. we're mourning again, the second in as many weeks. today police in colorado named the 10 people who were senselessly gunned down at a boulder supermarket. here they are.