good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. the suspect in the boulder mass shooting is facing ten counts of murder. he will make his first court appearance tomorrow as investigators continue into his motive. state and federal law enforcement say there is no indication this was a terrorist or hate crime. but he appears to have a history of mental problems and an assault charge in 2018. according to police he bought an assault rifle and semi-automatic handgun before his arrest. for colorado pain from another mass shooting with tributes and

vigils. friends and relatives struggling to understand the strategy. a city ranked as one of the best places to live. from lafayette, colorado with the family of the 25-year-old victim. steve, take us through the latest on the investigation, what you are learning about some of the victims and any clarity on the motive. >> reporter: first, local and federal officials are working in concert around the clock to get to the bottom of why. the motive in this case is unclear. we know they are searching through the suspected shooter's phone records, social media account records, his home, car, inviewing family members. investigators have spoken several times to his brother and

sister-in-law. the brother describes him as paranoid, someone isolated. as federal officials continue that. this community is in mourning. as we are learning more about the family members of the victims, a spectrum of stories, a spectrum of ages from 20 to 65, so a spectrum of life experience all lost in about 20 minutes in that shooting. some of the stories, one of a 23-year-old son of serbians. they said they escaped a war-torn country only to have their son shot down. and this was the front end manager, just 25 years old, described as effervescent, a

smile that could light up a room. her life lost in an instant. and suzanne fountain, an actress for most of her life at the denver performing arts center. had met her partner there, but started doing plays there 30 years ago where she worked to make others' lives brighter. we spoke to her life partner. >> she used to take people on and help them out just to help them. and she wasn't making anything out of it. if you ask anybody she ever worked with, she would do anything to -- sorry. she would do anything for them. >> again, the press conference for the family of rikki olds

taking place in a few minutes. we will bring that to you. >> thanks, steve. and jesse, you have been reporting on mass shootings for years in colorado. i am sure something like this will never become routine. it's too hideous. there is an emotional wait as well. tell us about the victim -- >> we don't know much about the suspect. it is south of ar vads. -- arvada. it is not the first time coloradoance have had to contend with something like this. we were writing about how mass shootings have affected colorado. people consider boulder one of the safest places.

it has been a tough pill to swallow as people look over their shoulder in colorado because we have yet another mass shooting. >> how unlikely is it in boulder given how safe and well regarded this is as a place to live. >> boulder is one of those places that they don't have shootings. they don't have a lot of violent crime. it's an outdoorsy place. this is a few block from the university of colorado campus. everybody knows this king soopers in boulder. it is like a community gathering place. king soopers is like the safest place in the world you can think of in terms of where you don't have to look over your shoulder. all of a sudden we are seeing coloradoans across the state say i am worried to go to the grocery story. some of my colleagues were at

grocery stores yesterday where there were armed guards. it's another place that people want to feel safe that they feel like they can't now. >> jesse, in listening to people talking over the last couple of days. people were there for an ice cream cone, covid shot, that kind of everyday experience. that has all changed for everybody in the community. what about the gun laws and the fact that a district judge had invalidated the boulder gun law just a month ago. >> i think people are talking a lot about that change that happened just before the shooting. there is not really proof that that would have stopped this because the alleged gunman lived in a city outside boulder. but in my conversationings with state lawmakers at the capitol, there is a lot of frustration

about how to prevent this. a lot of the policies passed in colorado thus far, we are at some of the forefront in terms of gun regulations, progressive gun legislation. this couldn't have been stopped by those. even this session right now at the state capitol in colorado, there are three major gun bills, and all of them don't appear to have been enough to affect this. one thing folks talked about is an assault weapon ban. folks in colorado have been looking for congress to do something about that. i think there is frustration about what do you do to stop these kind of things and how can we pass the right laws and address this. the boulder effort rate was made to try to keep that city safe. but piecemeal approaching is

different. how do we protect people across the state. how do we let cities do the work. i think there will be a new push on the state level to pass gun legislation, but what can you do at this point to stop something like this. >> indeed. jesse paul. thank you. very valuable perspective. president biden calling on action for gun bills, not only don't have the 60 votes needed to beat a filibuster, but not the 50 needed with manchin opposed. joining me now is chief white house correspondent and weekend host kristen welker and ashley parker. kristen, the president has a long history of fighting for gun

control. he knows support on the hill isn't there. what can he do? >> reporter: based on might conversations with officials, they are focused on executive action. i expect we will get some kind of announcement about that in the coming days. candidate biden said he was going to introduce legislation on day one that would repeal protection for gun manufacturers. what he has done is intensify pressure on congress, on the senate to pass those two pieces of legislation that passed through the house that would expand and strengthen background checks. there does not seem to be the votes on capital hill to get it

passed. he did talk about reenacting the assault weapons ban, but there doesn't seem to be support for that. there is robust debate and then there is nothing done. the question this time is will something be done. a lot of sweptcism it will be. so it seems like the path is more executive actions which does not have the teeth to be permanent change in this regard. >> ashley, so much of the focus is on the 50-50 senate. what about the filibuster and power of moderate democrats, particularly manchin to block.

>> certainly manchin has expressed an unwillingness to consider the bill coming out of the house. one thing to keep in mind is that while senator manchin are in many ways lynchpins for legislation, not just guns -- you have some members coming out of the house who say it goes too far. and then providing something like the manchin and toomey compromise from before, there were moderate democrats who would not get on board. they say it does not go far enough. there seems to be no middle ground. and people are pessimistic

pointing to sandy hook. they say if there wasn't legislation after something like that, this latest shooting will not be the turning point. >> manchin is a critical vote, was on the covid bill and will be on other confirmations. they don't want to burn bridges with him. they need him for infrastructure and voting rights. >> and for all of those reasons that makes this issue that much thornier in terms of trying to get manchin on board. he did have that bipartisan piece of legislation years ago that would have expanded background check so there is room for potential compromise, but when you talk about the president's agenda moving forward, all of the issues you mapped out, infrastructure,

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colorado leaders are -- colorado's governor joins me now. i know you must be terribly busy and our condolences to you and all of the people for the shooting. are you any closer to understanding the motive for these killings? >> there is no motive that's a good motive. this is evil.

ten coloradoans who went to pick up milk or groceries will never be able to do so again. andrea, the support from your viewers and across the country have brought comfort here. >> to this point they say there is no link to terror or hate. >> there has been comments from the brother, the family that there were concerns about this individual's mental health. we will find out. we don't want to include anything before the investigation is done. there will be plenty of information in this case. plenty of eyewitnesss. extended family who knew this kid well. high school people who knew him.

we will have all of the facts assembled in the coming weeks. >> boulder had a local permitting wall put on the books in 2018 against some types of guns, previously owned weapons to prevent this type of shooting. the district judge blocked the ban just last month. this after aurora, columbine, highlands ranch. can anything be done at the state level? >> how do you have communities have the tools to reduce time. how do we have a better response, how do we make sure

they get the help they need before they hurt themselves or others. >> in other countries there have been people with similar issues, but that's been a dodge for nra. the difference between other countries is they don't have the guns. >> guns are widely held in america. in colorado there are universal background checks. if you are a convicted criminal, you can't buy a gun. but wyoming has open air gun shows where even a felon can go and purchase a gun without a background check. i support the national background check. >> the president is talking about executive orders which are

small war reforms, a band aid at best. what is the likelihood of congress doing anything? you know the reality of the filibuster issue. >> there have been republicans willing to join. whether you get the 10 needed, that's an open question. i think there are at least several that would support that. when you get to executive actions you have to talk to the lawyers and counsel. what can they do and can't they do. i agree a statute is better because they are permanent. if there are ways to save lives with executive action, that might be something that might save lives. >> governor, so sorry. the nation is mourning with colorado today. thank you for taking the time to be with us. china going after the u.s.

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president biden is facing an uphill battle in congress with his next proposal. a $3 trillion infrastructure plan paid for by upping taxes. as china continues its massive infrastructure projects at home and across asia and africa, there is a call. and today china releases a report starting with the phrase "i can't breathe." there is a lot to drill down on and we have the perfect guest.

jack served as treasury secretary for president obama. china is everywhere expanding their projects to 139 countries. uk with its new global britain reports last week overture to china economically. what should the u.s. do? >> it's good to be with you. the report we released yesterday from the task force council on foreign relations, it is recommendations for the u.s. response. we convened the task force to better understand the initiatives of china internationally and what it means for the u.s. we looked at it as part of not just an infrastructure program,

but a program to expand economic influence. we tried to keep it up to date responding to the changes since covid-19. what we found is there is a void left by the united states and our allies. and despite the potential of an initiative like this to meet long standing needs of developing countries, it has risks that far outweigh the benefits. whether it's unsustainable debt practices, spreading chinese technology and standards, building coal infrastructure that will have a carbon imprint for years. there are many things for us to be concerned about. the pandemic relief showed the

fraj i state many countries are in. what should u.s. policymakers do? they need to focus on the problems i just described and come up with solutions. first of all, we need to work with allies on standards like dealing with climate, anti-corruption and lending practices that are governed through debt mek anythings like the paris accord. we need to promote u.s. exports and invest at home, innovation, technology and infrastructure. we have to be a leader on global health and can't abandon projects we are not part of. there are a number of things we

can do. >> this comes after 4 1/2 years of us getting out of trade agreements, climate agreements. today tony blinken is at nato saying we are back. you can't just say it, you have to compete. some of our closest allies are lining up with china, not on geo political issues, but -- >> i think our allies are looking for the united states to come back. i think if the new administration, secretary blinken and the team engage the way i believe they will, the rest of the world will be welcoming the united states back in the leadership role on these kinds of standards. for 75 years the world knew that united states leadership was critical in this area. i don't think four years changes that. i don't think we get to take another four years out.

i don't think we will. i think the new administration is already engaging. and we also have to work with china. the meeting was a tough one, but as recorded, it works with an agreement that continued to work on climate. so it is not work with china or don't work with china. we will have to work with our allies. we work with china where we can, but where we must, we must push back. >> thanks for being with us. right now in lafayette, colorado, the family of ricky olds, the family who was killed in the king soopers shooting. >> he was a great police officer.

>> on behalf of my family, we can't thank the community and everybody for their overwhelming support that we have gotten. rikki was truly spekt. -- special. she was vibrant. she was the light of our family. when rikki showed up at the house, we never knew what color her hair was going to be. we never knew what new tattoos she may have. but that was rikki. she lived life on her terms, not anybody else's terms. her life was cut short, unfortunately, by the events the other day.

i'm saddened that she didn't get to experience motherhood or marriage. she was 25 years old. she didn't get to experience a lot of the stuff that we get to experience in life. and i'm saddened for her and for all of the rest of the victims. there is a hole. there is a hole in our family. that won't be filled. we try to fill it will memories. it's tough. it's tough. she had dreams.

she had ambitions, was moving up the ladder at king soopers. now she can't. she can't do those things. she was one of a kind. she was that person. she would come to the house and we'd joke around and laugh. she would start laughing so hard that she would snort. she would probably throw something at me for telling you guys that. i will really miss her, that

personality of hers. just being around. she has a little brother who is taking this really tough. really tough. so please remember him in your thoughts and prayers. she was like a daughter to my mom. i know this is probably out there. my parents raised her for the most part. so my mom has essentially lost a daughter and a granddaughter. my sister lost a niece. it's tough. i think i'm ready for questions. >> we will start with andy frost

from the denver post. >> i am a reporter at the denver post with andy. we have heard that king soopers said rikki's actions, she was trying to save people and lock the doors to the store. >> i haven't heard about that so i'm sorry, i can't answer. >> that's going to be part of the case investigation, so maybe some of those details that happened inside will come out in the days to come. >> from washington post. do you feel like you are getting the support they need right now? >> overwhelming support, yes.

>> the sun. >> rikki had always dreamed to be a nurse. what would be her dream job? >> well, rikki was living her dream. yes, she wanted to be a nurse, but that plan got altered, but she had a backup plan and she was pursuing her dream of being a store manager at king soopers. >> what would she like to do for fun with her friends? >> she loved the outdoors. she was into camping, hiking. early on in her life we got her involved in life which was huge with my dad. my dad was a huge golfer so he pushed her that way a little bit. she loved golf, played softball

when she was younger. just the outdoors type of stuff. that's what she enjoyed. >> my question for you is what do you want people to remember about rikki, what legacies will she leave behind? >> she lived life on her own terms. she was going to do what she thought was right. if it didn't work out, rikki would change and do it a different way. she didn't care about if people underher on her hair color or how many tattoos she had. she was a strong, independent

young woman. >> thank you. i'm sorry for your loss. >> thank you. >> can you talk a little bit about the relationship she had with her little brother? >> rikki was a workaholic. they didn't spend a lot of time together, but it was cherished. cherished by both of them because they had both dealt with some trauma. >> thank you. >> robert, what's the last thing you remember speaking to her about? what was the last conversation you had? >> well, it was my mom's birthday the previous weekend, and she had made plans to come over thursday to hang out and

celebrate my mom. that was it. >> do you remember the last thing you said? >> see you thursday. >> you mentioned in your statement that she didn't follow trends. give us some examples. >> just like with the hair, just like with the tattoos, just like -- i don't know, not caring about being judged, about being her own person. >> what is the scenario in the example of the story? >> do you have one? >> i work at king soopers with rikki. rikki, at work, she would dance

to the music. we called it her gorilla dance. she could do everything to make your date better. rikki wore her hair in brady a lot. we nicknamed her wendy because she would have two brady and different colors. she would do anything to make you smile. i remember us talking about tattoos and uncle bob would say what are you going to get now, or what are you going to get next. we would joke about how she should get his name in a heart. rikki would do anything to make you smile. if you needed a pick me up, you knew where to go. >> can you give your full name? >> carlee lough.

>> you are a co-worker and friend, is that correct? >> yes. >> carlee and i coach basketball together and carlee and rikki work together at king soopers. >> can you tell us your favorite memory? >> the one that keeps sticking out in my head, and i am sure i told people this already, when rikki was little, she would travel with me and my sons and family to baseball tournaments. her name for me was uncle ba-ba. we would be at these tournaments and they would finally be over. after being at the baseball field all day, it would be uncle

ba-ba, donald's today? which meant she wanted to go to mcdonald's. for some reason that memory keeps popping up in my head. maybe it's just the pure innocence. when they get to that little todayler stage and start to talk and you start to realize their personality. >> how old was she then? >> probably around 4 or 5. >> first of all, i'm so sorry for your loss. who was the last person who talked to her and what were her last words? >> i don't know who her last person was, i imagine a

cucumber. my last conversation with her was hey, nikkus, are you okay. >> i'm so sorry for your loss. >> thank you. >> have you seen all of the flowers or pictures of the flowers and notes. some of the notes have rikki's name on them. how do you feel about the community coming together? >> it's overwhelming. i have not seen that. i have heard different tidbits here and there. last night there was quite a crowd outside of our house doing a candlelight vigil. it's just overwhelming and it just goes to show how many lives that rikki touched. >> i am so sorry for your loss. thank you for taking this time to be with us today.

speaking of friends, there seems to be a recurring theme that she was so helpful. she would always back up friends, as we heard from carlee. was there something in her life that would make her be that person? >> i think it stems from her relationship with her mother and wanting to be that nurturing person that maybe she didn't get when she was younger. i can't speak for her mind, but that would be my assessment. >> can you expand on that just a little bit? i don't want you to get too personal, but can you tell us a little more about that relationship? >> it's nonexistent. >> thanks for being here.

we are so glad to talk to you. my question is what do you plan to do to keep her memory alive, maybe in your life, but i have some other questions, too. was there a favorite present -- >> you will have to slow down and go one at a time. >> one question. what do you plan to do to keep her memory alive. >> to be determined. it's so early. definitely something. what that is yet, that's going to be something my family has to decide. but definitely something. what that is i don't even know yet, i'm sorry. >> thank you again. it's wonderful you spending this time with us. i would love to know more about her little brother.

how old was he? what did they usually do together? >> how old is he now? >> what would they do when they were together. >> i would rather not answer that. >> that's fine. thank you. >> i'm deeply sorry for your loss. >> i appreciate it. >> one question for you and one for you, carlee. i understand some members of the family actually watched the shooting spree unfold on the live stream? were you one of them and what were you experiencing at that moment. >> we are going to not answer that one. >> we can't do any questions about the case.

>> that doesn't have anything to do about the case. that's personal experience. >> we are not going to answer that yes -- yes. >> carlee, when did you learn about it? >> my family called me. they asked if i was okay and at work. >> you were there that day? >> yes. >> what was your reaction? >> i had no idea about it and i turned on my phone and television. >> what was the realization about your friends that were there when you had left shortly before? >> it's very hard. it's difficult for any of us who work there or any of those families. it's something you will remember for the rest of your lives. >> you have been watching robert olds, an uncle of rikki olds who

was one of the victims, a young victim. she was a manager at the store, and one of her friends and co-workers. the last conversation they had was about getting together to celebrate the birthday of her grandmother. she was raised by her grandparents. she was bright and sprightly and always cheering others up. just a live spirit with so much the center of her family and obviously her uncle bob. a very sad accounting by a family member of this terrible loss. president biden calling for ban on assault style weapons in the wake of this shooting. but congress hasn't been able to

pass background checks. joining us now is the chair of the sub committee. this has been a long standing passion of do something about these horrors. i want to talk to you about that first. but first about the situation in boulder and gun violence. you in the past were a member of the nra and changed your view about gun violence in the last decade or more. tell me where you are now and what should be done by the senate with senator manchin and others blocking even any hope of passage. >> well, first, i was never a member of the nra. but i understand what you're saying. >> i'm sorry. i think you had support -- i'm sorry, senator. i may have misread that. i thought you had support from the nra when you first ran in congress. i apologize. >> so i think what's necessary

is that we have universal background checks, we have an assault weapons ban and a ban on large magazines and have a federal anti-gun trafficking law. those are three pieces of legislation that overall would be able to address this unbelievable scourge of gun death in this country. these families are reeling. as you just showed, this is life-shattering. when you lose someone you love, it changes everything. and unfortunately, we have gun death across my state, across this country every day. we have it with gang shootings. we have it in inner city violence. we have it with these mass shootings. and it is absolutely incumbent upon us to pass these three common sense gun reforms now. now, obviously, gun reform can be bipartisan. but often isn't bipartisan enough to get to 60 votes. the last time we had a vote on this was right after sandy hook. my bill to ban gun trafficking

got 58 votes. it was the closest we got to 60. background checks were something like 53 or 54. and assault weapons ban, less. so we have to work harder to find the bipartisan support that we need. we need to lift up the voices of our constituents and across this country so legislators know that this is something that they want done. and over time if we cannot get the 60-vote threshold on this we should really consider reforming the filibuster because this is the kind of transformational legislation that will save lives that we need a vote on today. but i'm not going to give up. i'm going to work very hard. my trafficking bill and the other legislation to actually get this passed in this congress on a bipartisan basis. >> and do you think it can be done without changing the filibuster? >> you know, i don't know. we got very close to both pieces of background checks and trafficking the last time we

voted. maybe there have been changes of heart within the senate. so i hope we try very hard in the next couple of weeks to get the 60 votes we need. but if we can't get even close, maybe it is time to reform the filibuster. >> now you're hearing today on sexual assault in the military. as i say, you've been a leader on this. and that it's getting worse. it's an epidemic, you say. what is causing the increase? >> well, unfortunately, this has been a scourge for time immemorium. and i've been working on this issue for the last eight years, trying to change how we deal with these cases. right now commanders choose judge, jury, prosecutor, and defense counsel. and a lot of our commanders are not trained lawyers. most of them aren't. and they're certainly not criminal lawyers. sown fortunately, when they review these cases they often have skin in the game or bias because they might know the accused or accuser and it might

affect their judgment. second, they only have the support of their general counsels, who are generalists. they don't actually have enough criminal justice background to actually decide which cases should go forward. so the reform that advocates support and survivors support that would make a difference about how many cases get tried and how many cases end up in conviction would allow decision-making about whether a case should go to trial to be given to a trained military prosecutor. it would professionalize the system. it will make sure that more cases that have a chance of ending in conviction move forward. and if these cases aren't chosen by the prosecutor to be prosecuted, it'll go right back to the commander. and then the commander can do the non-judicial punishment that he's using now in 8 out of 10 cases. so this is the kind of reform that i think is transformative. it will give more confidence in the system. more survivors will want to report these crimes. because when you ask them why

didn't you report, overwhelmingly they said because they didn't have faith the chain of command would have my back. and that's not surprising because when we've done surveys, when we've done investigations like at fort hood, we find that the climate is not supportive of women. there's a lot of sexual harassment. and in fact, it's coming from the lower-level commanders. so if you've been assaulted by someone in your ranks, you don't necessarily believe that your commander will have your back. even though that commander may not be the one deciding, you just don't have faith in the chain of command. and so that's the truth. so we should make this reform. it is a bipartisan reform. there are so few reforms in washington that have the support of ted cruz and bernie sanders at the same time, and this does. this also has the support of mitch mcconnell and senator schumer. so it is something that is common sense. it is a simple small reform, that this one moment in time you could have the eye of a trained prosecutor look at the case file and make a judgment.

it would change everything. >> well, that's for sure. it's been a long haul for you. it looks like you might be on the verge of real success there. thank you. please come back and update on that as well. and that does it for us for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." this afternoon at 2:00 eastern i'm going to be moderating a rare conversation, rare because it's never happened before. four incredible women for the international women's media foundation's press freedom speakers series. all these women are the chief correspondents for the networks. all network correspondents now. led by women. so hear from my colleague kristen welker along with nancy cordes of cbs, cecilia vega of abc and kaitlan collins of cnn. go to iwmf.org and learn more about this incredible organization representing women around the world. kasie hunt is in for chuck todd. speaking of a great woman. up next on "mtp daily" only on msnbc.

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