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if it's friday, a democratic lawmaker was arrested as outrage builds among democrats across the country and at the white house after georgia republicans overhaul their voting laws. fuelled in part by the former president's continued lies about election fraud. president biden calls republican efforts to restrict voting sick and unamerican as
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pressure mounts for progressives to cut off senate republicans by changing the rules around the filibuster. a 9-year-old migrant dies while trying to cross the rio grande as democrats and republicans hold press conferences today amid the escalating humanitarian emergency at the border. ♪♪ welcome to friday. it's "meet the press daily." i'm kasie hunt in for chuck todd. the fight has been pushed back into the national spotlight over voting rights after republicans in georgia passed an overall of the state election system under the guise of something that's not existent, that problem, widespread voter fraud. the bill signed by the governor is seen as a collection of voter
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suppression tactics. it increases voter i.d. requirements, limited ballot drop boxes. the new law goes so far as to bar volunteers from passing out water and snacks to voters standing in line. lines which are much more likely to be longer in black neighborhoods. opposition from democrats was fierce but ultimately futile with state representative park cannon being arrested after knocking on governor kemp's office door as he signed the bill into law. former democratic candidate for governor stacey abrams called it jim crow in a suit and tie. >> what i'm worried about is how unamerican this whole initiative is. it's sick. it's sick.
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it is the most pernicious thing -- this makes jim crow look like jim eagle. this is gigantic what they're trying to do. it cannot be sustained. i will do everything in my power along with my friends in the house and senate to keep that from becoming the law. >> where do we as a country go from here? what are democrats going to try to do about it? earlier this month, democrats in the house passed a massive bill that seeks to counter republican efforts at the local level by reforming voting rights and transforming elections nationwide. it has the support of 49 of 50 democratic senators. all but west virginia's joe manchin right now. if they do get it to 50, president biden said yesterday he would have an open mind toward tearing down the current filibuster rules to get it passed. >> it used to be you had to stand there and talk and talk and talk and talk until you collapsed. i strongly support moving in
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that direction in addition to having an open mind about dealing with certain things that are just elemental to the functioning of our democracy, like the right to vote. like the basic right to vote. >> ultimately, here we are again with georgia as the epicenter of the major issues driving our national political turmoil, from the former president's big lie about stolen elections to the current president's battle with republican obstructionism. we have this covered from every angle this afternoon. let's get the latest, josh lederman is on the ground in marietta, georgia, shannon pettypiece is outside the white house. also with us, garrett haake and the white house correspondent yamish yandor. josh, walk us through what the reaction has been. reporters were able to talk to sitting senator rafael warnock
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in georgia. what did you learn from him? how is this being received there? >> reporter: senator warnock is calling this a 911 emergency. i really tried to press him today in his news conference he did outside this ymca in marietta about whether this might increase pressure on democrats in the u.s. senate to finally get rid of the filibuster. those two holdouts that we have been talking about over and over again. senator warnock saying this should not be about some type of arcane senate procedure. this is a bigger deal. the real integrity of our democracy is at stake. if you look back at the last 24 hours and how some of this unfolded, i think nothing further dented the appearance of this being some type of a good faith effort as republicans have said to actually expand voting rights and ensure the integrity of the election than it way it went down.
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rushed through by the republican legislature. signed within a couple of hours by governor kemp who wanted to get that bill into law before particularly big business groups who is been encouraged by voting rights activists to intervene and speak up about this, before they could say much about it. of course, a member of the state legislature arrested as she was knocking on the door, trying to get into this essentially news conference event where the governor was announcing that he signed this bill. there's a steady drumbeat of frustration about there may not be much they can do. there's a lawsuit filed in federal court. really, we are hearing over and over from activists on the ground that it's time for congress to step in. >> it's worth noting, the senator warnock said -- he was talking about the state lawmaker and said we will keep knocking on the door on the issue.
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shannon, this was a place where we heard what felt and sounded to me like real emotion, real anger from the president of the united states in the course of his press conference yesterday about this particular topic, voting rights. while we can get quickly into the weeds on a process argument around the senate filibuster, the reality remains that this is an issue that is so emotional and so central and so critical to everything that our democracy relies on. and you could see that from the president yesterday. >> reporter: right. i think this was one of his strongest moments, one of the moments where he showed the most passion of all the topics he was asked about yesterday. however, he also said something that i think is very key here. i know a number of my colleagues pointed this out. it's also about timing. while this georgia law certainly puts pressure on congress to act in this area and ratchets up the attention on voting rights,
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advisers and people close to the white house have been saying in the days leading up and weeks leading up that they want to show some sort of bipartisan effort. they want to maybe get a couple bipartisan bills across the finish line, like this china bill that's in the senate right now. they want to give an opportunity to show that they were willing to work with republicans and republicans declined to do that. this infrastructure bill, again, as much as the president talked about voting rights, he indicated his next priority is infrastructure that he will discuss next week. that remains the trajectory the white house is on as far as legislative priorities. that could provide them the opportunity to show we took a bipartisan issue, we tried to reach across the aisle, republicans wouldn't work with us, if that ends up being the case. now we have to go and change the filibuster and move forward on the issues. it could not only back up their unity claim but also give cover to some of the moderate democrats who want to look like
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they at least made an effort at some sort of bipartisan show of good will. i think that's part of the strategy that's going on behind the scenes, too. what the president means when he says, it's about timing. >> garrett haake, let me go to you on that point. we keep saying over and over again that 60 isn't really the number that actually matters, even though that's the number that it takes to break through a filibuster. it's 50. democrats need 50 to support doing this before they will get to the point where they could actually change the rules. what's your sense of how this is playing out today on capitol hill in the wake of what the president had to say about this yesterday? >> reporter: i lost your audio for a second. let me just tell you, the senator -- this is one thing that will sit on their minds over the next two weeks. a top priority of the party, of the activists and of the senators who are the majority
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makers here. rafael warnock is up for re-election in two years. lack of action on these democracy reform measures, particularly in the state of georgia, could have a real affect on democrats' maintaining their majority. as you said, this ultimately when it comes to the filibuster is an exercise in counting. the importance of lowering the threshold from 60 to 50 matters if you can get to 50. on this issue and on the question of getting rid of the filibuster all together, they are not there yet. democrats would need joe manchin to agree that this is an issue, perhaps the issue that would require getting rid of the filibuster. he is not there. he released a letter yesteing ae liked and leaving to the imagination the rest of what's in it as perhaps the things he told me he considers to be overreach and said he wants to see this dealt with on a bipartisan basis. if you even say you are going to get manchin on board with some of the other changes, perhaps to try to pass this bill, you
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probably have five or six other democratic senators who are not all the way there yet on getting rid of the filibuster. this is going to be an enormously heavy lift for the administration, almost as a prerequisite to decide that they are ready to pull the trigger on this, and then the leaders of the democratic party in the senate to marshal all of their members together and pull in the same direction on democracy reform and on changing the filibuster. >> good points all. garrett, if i have your audio back, i want to ask about mitch mcconnell. republicans are i think so focused on this because they do view it as an existential threat. garrett, i will let you take it. if he is not hearing you -- garrett? i think we lost garrett's audio. let's talk about mitch mcconnell and voting rights. is this existential for them? that's a sense i get, part of why they want to oppose this, why we saw mitch mcconnell
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appear at a rare senate hearing, why people in georgia, republicans in georgia are doing what they're doing is because this would potentially fundamentally change the map. it's a cynical thing to say, because the idea is you open up more people -- the ballots to more people, potentially that means republicans can't win elections anymore. i think that's some of what's going on behind the scenes. >> let's just look at where this is happening. we are talking about the new blue georgia where republicans lost that election and where the president got on the phone with the secretary of state for that state and said, i need you to essentially find me the votes, the thousands of votes that i need to try to win the state over. when you listen to democrats, they say this is an existential threat. as you said, there are people, including the majority leader chuck schumer who say this is the new jim crow. republicans are looking at black voters and the browning of america, the changing dynamics
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in america and saying, more and more people are going to be getting the right to vote, they will age into the system and how do we stop it? if you are a democrat, you say, this is frankly racist, talking to activists, they say this is targeting black and brown voters. the same voters, not only morally fought for their right to vote but key to democrats winning in states like possibly texas or in states like arizona and other states that are similarly suited in georgia. north carolina. i think there's this feeling on the democratic side that republicans are doing that. republicans, of course, are saying that they are trying to help people, trying to make sure there's no voter fraud. we saw in the last election in 2020, there was no mass voter fraud. we saw republican secretary of states say there's no big voter fraud. this was not a big issue. here you have republican state legislatures, of course in georgia, saying we want more power over the voting system. i think it's key. it's why i pressed the president on the issue of the filibuster,
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because while he got animated about talking about how he felt like these measures were sick coming from the republicans, he also didn't say how he would push back. he came close, as close as he has gotten to talking about doing something with the filibuster. he didn't get there. that'sdemocrats using the power to have real change. that filibuster in the way right now. >> it's a good point. i have had sources that i have been talking to about this. they looked at how the president handled this. feel as though his focus, his anger on this issue, the more it becomes about this issue and not about the process in the senate, the more likely it is to change. let me stick with you. we did hear from rafael warnock, senator warnock, rverend warnock today. he is up for re-election again. georgia is a critical seat in terms of control of the senate. how much harder does it make his
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race for him the new voter law that's on the books in georgia? >> it's going to make it, i think in theory, in talking to sources, this is targeting that very seat. it's targeting senator warnock's seat. it's targeting senator seats. republicans were very weary and are eager to try to win the seats back in georgia. what you see here are -- in this bill is talking about limiting the time you have to vote, talking about not giving people in line water, talking about these things that i think activists would say helped especially black and brown people feel more like they had access to the ballot box. voting by mail, in the middle of a pandemic that's killing black and brown people, some of the people who voted for senator warnock who were key to his victory were people who would have put their lives at risk had
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they been in crowded voting booths, had they been in crowded places where the virus was circulating. as a result, this is absolutely going to make his road to re-election harder. >> thank you all for getting us started today. coming up, we will continue the conversation on georgia's voting law overhaul and the politics behind it with democratic state senator jen jordan. that's next. we will bring you the latest on the battle at the border where lawmakers are touring today. we are live in mission, texas, with a full report ahead. first, a look at life after lockdown. ♪ you come and go ♪ ♪ karma-karma-karma- karma-karma chameleon ♪ ♪ you come and go ♪ ♪ you come and go-o-o ♪
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they don't like the outcome, and so this is democracy in reverse.
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politicians have decided that instead of the voters picking their representatives, the representatives have a right to cherry pick their voters. it's unamerican. it's anti-democratic. we have to resist it. >> welcome back. that was georgia senator rafael warnock responding to the new voting regulations that georgia governor brian kemp signed into law, that could impact the outcome of warnock's fight to keep his senate seat next year. the new regulations effectively turn control of elections over to the state legislature, allowing lawmakers to appoint the chair of the state election board. a board that now controls county elections as well as statewide contests. it places restrictions on vote by mail, ballot dropout and early voting, moves that will have an impact on minority voters. for more on this, i'm joined by a georgia democrat, state senator jen jordan. thank you so much for joining us
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today. we really appreciate it. i actually want to start with the incident we saw last night where one of your colleagues was arrested simply for knocking on the door, the governor's door as he was live streaming the event of him signing this book. senator warnock said he met with her. she's a constituent of his at the church where he preaches. you can see her being handcuffed. this is an elected official. what was your reaction? do you think would you have been treated this way? >> thank you for having me. we were actually at the state -- the senate was in at the time representative cannon was arrested. i was on the third floor with a colleague of mine. we heard something was going on. we looked over the balcony and we could see the state police basically pushing representative cannon into the elevator.
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it was completely inappropriate, especially in light of the fact that she didn't do anything except knock on a door and want to be present at a bill signing that really should have been public. honestly, i don't think i would have been treated the same way. i think it just illustrates exactly what we're dealing with in the state of georgia. >> talk us through some of how we got to this point with the bill. i do know there were some things that were removed from it or changed over the course of whatever negotiations did happen. can you take us inside that and what restrictions are not in this that may have been and how it was adjusted? >> there were over 100 election bills filed at the beginning of the session. our session is only 40 days. it began on january 14th. at some point, there were omnibus bills filed.
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the omnibus bills included basically everything that the gop wanted in terms of these election bills. what was interesting is the senate was different than the house. what we eventually got was one that put restrictions on absentee voting in the sense of kind of putting more things in the way for voters to do and provide in terms of identification and the like. it actually does still allow no excuse absentee voting which was one of the main concerns that we had with the version that came out of the senate. there was a lot of back and forth. i think the reason that the republicans eventually took that out and have -- have let no excuse absentee voting continue is because they have actually benefitted from that in the past and have usually won elections because they have been able to
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get their voters to apply for absentee ballots and turn them in. really, this whole thing is really about politics and that's the result we got. >> how do they justify in particular -- i realize that many of the more complicated provisions of this bill may have a greater impact than the provision to -- that makes it a crime to hand out food and water in voting lines. how do they explain how not being able to give people water in line to vote is a voting security problem? how do they justify that? >> they don't. that's kind of part of the problem here. from the beginning, we have asked them to frame the issue, frame the problem. what is the problem that you are actually trying to solve? what we came back to is really any allegation or any kind of -- really any lie that came out of the november 3rd election, there's a provision in this bill for that. you can't justify not handing
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out water to people in line who are waiting hours, sometimes in the heat. then we have line warmers when it's cold. it shows the callousness and how really this is just about hurting democrats and trying to keep people from voting. >> let's talk for a second about the business community here. because one of the suggestions has been that governor kemp wanted to sign this as quickly as possible to try and make sure there wasn't a chance for the business community, big companies, coca-cola, delta airlines, that find their home base in georgia, to mobilize against it. what kind of backlash might there be from businesses to this? do you think that was part of the strategy on the part of the governor? >> you know, it may have been. it may have been pushed by the business community in the sense that they were really starting to get a lot of heat from folks
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on the outside. i think they wanted it to be put to bed as quickly as possible, too, so that they didn't have the pressure to actually go after the governor and have him veto this bill. i think that's kind of why we got such a quick signing. >> do you think that this is going to discourage companies from doing business in georgia, the voting restrictions? >> it shouldn't. it shouldn't at all. if anything, what the companies now need to do is to make sure that the policies that they have in place actually make it easier for their workers to vote, because a lot of the restrictions that we see in this bill impact working men and women the most in terms of when you can vote and how you can vote. if companies really want to kind of do what they need to do at this point, that's kind of how -- that's the way forward. it's really to help their people -- to help their people vote. >> georgia state senator jen
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are seeing the conditions today. house democrats led by congressman castro is visiting a facility holding unaccompanied children. senator ted cruz, republican of texas, will lead a delegation of senate republicans on a tour of the border next hour. this comes on the same day customs and border patrol reported a 9-year-old migrant child died trying to cross the rio grande last weekend. despite the developments, president biden vowed conditions at the border would improve soon. >> they are getting better. they're going to get real -- a whole hell of a lot better or you will hear people leaving. we can get this done. we're going to get it done. >> morgan chesky joins me from mission, texas, where they will start their tour in the next hour. take us through what we expect to see there and what you have been seeing as you have been
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reporting on this crisis. >> reporter: good afternoon. the republicans, led by senator ted cruz, have visited some of the overcrowded facilities here in the valley. we do anticipate their arrival in mission, texas, within the hour. when they arrive, they will be joining tactical marine units on these boats. this is what goes up and down the rio grande every day. this is essentially the dps way of deterring the human trafficking, the drug cartels that run up and down the river. you can see that each boat is equipped with multiple machine guns. we have some of the officers right here awaiting the arrival of the senators. they will escort them down the river here. we don't anticipate they will run into issues. what we could see from what we heard is that they could see families trying to cross the river, trying to get to a better life, because we know right now the numbers continue to go up.
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we are seeing hhs open up facilities all across the state because they simply can't keep up with the numbers, particularly those of children that are arriving here at the valley. that's why we see the wait times in border patrol facilities exceed 72 hours. that should be the max amount of time. this is upwards of a week, longer in some cases. the goal here in this part of the state, while the democratic contingent visits another area, several hours north where i am, they will see the facility this morning, they will tour the rio grande and hopefully try to come up with a solution that they can then talk to democrats about and come to some sort of bipartisan deal to hopefully address this issue. >> i'm not sure that that's necessarily going to ultimately be the outcome here in terms of the politics of this. morgan chesky, thank you very much as always for being with us and for your reporting from the scene.
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joining now is a congressman from new york. he is a former undocumented immigrant. he recently visited the border as part of a delegation led by the white house. congressman, thank you for being here. i want to start with the administration's push to build new or find new appropriate facilities for housing these children. it's against u.s. law to hold children for more than three days. these facilities are overcrowded. we don't have enough space. do you think the administration is moving fast enough and aggressively enough to try to fix this problem? >> yes, i think they're moving quickly. the system was left in shambled by the trump administration. they had a hiring freeze. they didn't have enough beds. they didn't prepare hhs for the covid-19 pandemic that requires a greater distancing among the young people that are crossing the border in those facilities.
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it's a major transformation. they're moving as quick as they can. we be able to connect these young people with their families quicker. what i saw was a system that's more humane. i'm glad to see senator cruz is going down to the border. he didn't seem to show that interest, that humanity when children were being ripped away from their parents in the past. we're doing the best we can. we have to do better to connect those young people with their family members across the country. >> in his press conference yesterday, president biden basically said, there may be more people coming to the border because he is a decent guy, someone who people say, i will be treated better, not terribly i would have been under the previous administration. do you think that's what's going on? is the message of decency causing more people to come here? >> it's good to have a decent president once again. i tell you what.
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we won't be able to resolve this matter unless we get to the root causes of it down in countries like guatemala, honduras and el salvador where the young people are coming from. many of them are fleeing violence. a young man may be threatened by a gang or being recruited by a gang. he leaves to save his or her life. a mom has food security issues because there was a drought. this last week, there was a volcano eruption in one of the countries. they are fleeing to a safer place. unless we address those root causes, this won't go away. the biden administration has people on the ground right now in those countries speaking to those governments to see how we find a solution there to their migration dynamic. >> congressman, can i ask you, based on your unique experience and your background, one of the
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political things that we saw -- we saw it on display particularly in texas, but it happened elsewhere as well. we saw some latino voters choose donald trump over joe biden in the election in a way that surprised some observers. there has been some conversation since about why that would be, considering things like the child separation policy and everything we saw from the trump administration at the border. how do you explain that to people? what do you pick up in your own community that can help us understand why that happened? >> the latino voting base is not monolithic. it's diverse. it has different ideas about different issues. they are people that have big hearts, that don't want to see a child being taken 3,000 miles away. they don't want to see a little girl drown in the rio grande. they don't want to see young men being recruitedgangs and
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they have to flee by the age of 13. i saw a little boy that told me his parents were in new york. i want to help him. i want to make sure they connect with him as quickly as possible. who knows why he fled his -- nobody likes to leave their own country. they leave because of unprecedented and serious matters that are impacting them. we are a country that has a tradition to harbor those that are weak and those that are being persecuted and those that are fleeing violence and death. we shouldn't stop from being that type of country. we should be able to provide a better system that connects hem to their parents and get to the root causes, as soon as possible, and help -- let's be the leader of the western hemisphere, let's go to those countries and help them resolve some of those serious problems that are there that are forcing families to walk 3,000 miles in the middle of the desert and
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through mountains. imagine a mom and her three kids doing that. something must be so, so serious that forces them to do that. >> the flip side of the question i just asked you in some ways is, okay, it seems like this was an issue that drove in some ways president trump -- then president trump into the white house. it was an issue he was willing to exploit in a way that many others found extraordinarily distasteful, even in the republican party. he did it. he continued to focus on it. now we are seeing republican senators go down to the border. you said you are glad ted cruz is going there. are we seeing the same thing happen again? are there any republicans left who are seriously interested in a constructive solution to immigration issues in this country? >> i hope so. i hope that they are just not going down there for a sound bite but because -- or because they may feel that they are in political trouble. look, i like a country that has
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a big heart. i like a country that is strong and stands on its values. that's what america is. i said that i like ted cruz going down there because i didn't see him going down there when children were crying for their mom in the middle of the night. we remember that. he was silent. he was a no show when that happened. all of a sudden he wants to go on a speed boat with machine guns down the rio grande? i think that's theater at its very best. we want to work with the other side of the aisle. we want to make sure we reach an agreement. we want to make sure that the comprehensive immigration reform issue is resolved once and for all. we want to be -- continue to be a country of immigrants. that's what america is. >> final question, very briefly, sir. do you think the vice president is the right person to tackle this issue for the biden administration? >> i believe that she is. she's a daughter of immigrants. she's a former law enforcement
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possible large hail, damaging wind and more tornadoes forecast for tomorrow. such a difficult time for those families. in texas, we have new developments regarding that massive winter storm that paralyzed the state and shut down its power grid in february. we now know that at least 111 people died in the aftermath of the storm, according to the texas dealt of state health services. that's nearly double the initial death toll that was reported. the new report states the deaths occurred between february 11th and march 5th. they were mostly caused by hypothermia because of a lack of heat in people's homes. other causes of death included car accidents, medical equipment failures and exacerbation of chronic illness. up next here, an inside look at the last cruise to set sail before the pandemic began. an outbreak on board caused more than 700 people to get sick. a new documentary takes aim at the early response to the covid
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welcome back. the white house says nearly 3.4 million vaccine doses were administered yesterday. a new daily record as cases in
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at least 17 states though see increases over the past two weeks. at his first presidential press conference yesterday, president biden upped his administration's vaccine goal to 200 million shots within his first 100 days in office. the to meet that goal because they're already on track for 200 million shots with roughly 2.6 million shots currently administered every day. the president didn't get a single question on the coronavirus pandemic at yesterday's press conference. the european union, meanwhile, is cracking down on vaccine exports after new data show the eeu has exported more doses than the u.s. pfizer has started testing its vaccine on children under 12. they have plans to eventually test children as young as six
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months old. and rutgers university becomes the first major university to require a coronavirus vaccine for students before they return to campus. vaccines are not mandatory for faculty or staff, but they are strongly encouraged. as we are all acutely aware, it has been just over a year since the coronavirus pandemic turned our lives upside down. and the new data is showing, frankly, the story about the early days of the pandemic. the last cruise shows firsthand accounts of passengers and crew members who were aboard the diamond princess cruise ship. it set sail from japan last january before spending weeks quarantined off the coast of japan. >> this is your captain speaking. please be advised two guests tested positive for coronavirus. >> it was all kind of hearsay,
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like, oh, there's a virus, always something going on. you're kind of like, okay, cool. then i washed my hands. >> and the captain came on and told us to go back into our rooms. >> the length of the quarantine will be at least 14 days. >> even though the passengers were quarantined, the crew had to keep the ship going. >> wow. ultimately more than 700 people on board tested positive for covid, more than half all documented cases outside of china at that time. and hannah olson is the director of the last cruise that debuts a hbo and hbo max. hannah, it is good to see you. i was just reading the notes before this last segment. it's terrifying. i can't imagine being a
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passenger stuck on that ship as all of this were unfolding. all of us were scared enough safely at home, as if it's not enough there was a disease rampaging this ship. i want to ask you about the crew in a second, but what did the passengers tell you about what this was like? >> thank you so much for having me. i think it was terrifying. i think that, you know, we knew so little about the virus. at the same time that we were learning so much about the virus. as soon as the ship ended up quarantined on february 4th, scientists started studying the ship. we very quickly learned that the virus was airborne and that it was spread asymptomatically. at the same time the passengers were not hearing this information, and we were not getting this information. so as a filmmaker it was terrifying to be seeing all these personal accounts of people who were on the ship at
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the same time that the government was telling me wash my hands, don't buy masks, and the cdc was boarding the ship in hazmat suits. so for passengers i think it was terrifying, but it was also very isolating. for the crew, i think it was a totally different experience. you know, a lot of the crew members were making as little as $3 an hour, but they had no -- the jobs are so important for them that there was very little recourse for them to complain. they had to keep working. and, you know, this is before we even really had the phrase essential worker, before we were throwing it around and it was part of our vernacular. but i think the experience of crew members -- the experience of so many essential workers all over the world throughout the pandemic, you know, in hospitality and in food service. >> so i can't imagine that the cruise ship liner, the company, is pleased that this documentary
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is coming out. what kind of experience did you have working with them and trying to get the access you needed to make this film? >> well, crew members are not supposed to talk to media, and so it was challenging to get crew members to speak. but at the same time, i think this experience for so many people kind of overshadowed their contracts. on the ship they were forced to do jobs they never signed up for, so i think a lot of people were wanting to speak. for passengers, i think that they -- sorry, i'm hearing your control room. for passengers, i think that this was such a harrowing experience, they really wanted to share it. >> yeah. i mean, you also, and we're looking at some images of buses that were there when they were taking people off of the ship, and they even made mistakes in that phase. >> absolutely.
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i mean, after passengers spent three weeks quarantining in their rooms, they were forced onto a plane without their knowledge with people who had already been tested positive for the virus. and then after the planes landed, more than 57 people tested positive. we'll never know the full event of what a vector this ship was because that data wasn't collected, but it accounted for the first cases of covid-19 in many instances. >> if hollywood had pitched this as a blockbuster, i don't think any of us would ever have believed it could have been real, and yet here you are documenting real life. hannah olson, thank you. the documentary is coming out soon on hbo and hbo max. thanks to all of you for being with us this hour. chuck will be back on sunday on "meet the press," and i'll be back here with much more "meet the press daily." don't go anywhere, msnbc continues right after this with
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good afternoon, i'm katy tur. it is 11:00 a.m. out west and 2:00 p.m. in the east where democrats say they are in an existential fight for american democracy itself. today america's first black senator, rafael warnock, tore into his state's new law restricting voting rights. >> our own secretary of state said that the election

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