is, you want to be polite. the most meaningful part of her testimony is the way she reacts to being taken back to that time. there is a time when you don't need to answer many questions at all. >> thanks for your insight. that's going to do it for me. i will see you back here tomorrow. but for now andrea mitchell will pick up our coverage. good day. i'm andrea mitchell in in washington. continuing our coverage of the derek chauvin trial. we heard an emotional witness. she was 17 at the time of the death. she was shooting the near viral video on her phone.

>> i see a cop kneeling down on him, a man terrified, scared, begging for his life. i heard george floyd say i can't breathe, please get off, he cried for his mom. he was in pain. it seemed like he knew it was over for him. he was terrified. he was suffering. this was a cry for help. >> on the judge's order with the minor witnesses, we are hearing them but not seeing them. earlier prosecutors finished the testimony of donald williams, a 33-year-old who was at the scene. he was heard on the cell phone video urging chauvin to get off his neck. he has a mixed martial arts

background. >> you could see he was going through tremendous pain. you could see is in his face. you could see his eyes slowly rolling back in his head and him having his mouth open, wide open, slowly with drool and slob and dryness on his mouth. you could see that he's trying to gasp for air and trying to be able to breathe as he's down there and trying to move his face side-to-side. i'm assuming to gasp for more air. >> williams also placed a 911 call when he saw what he saw outside cup foods. when the call was replayed, he

became emotional, fighting back tears. >> so you have seen after someone is unconscious, they come back to consciousness and start fighting right away again. >> i have seen that multiple times. he is choked up, comes back to and they continue to try to fight. i have been knocked out and i had to come back conscious and the first thing i wanted to do was continue to fight. >> i /* welcome all. talk about the witnesses we have heard from so far. the impact on the jury would you expect. >> both witnesses i thought were thoughtful and credible. i am sure there were many things

they would prefer to be doing than testifying in court but it's their duty. they come across to me as truth tellers. i think it's difficult to cross-examine people telling the truth. there is a way to do it. it's difficult. i think the defense attorney has done a mediocre job because it has taken him a long time to make minor points. mr. williams, there are things he didn't see because he had not arrived on the scene when the confrontation started. that's a fair point on cross-examination, but it took the defense attorney a long time to get there. with the second witness, the young woman darnella, you have to be careful. i think both witnesses are truth tellers. it's fair to question the things they don't know or didn't see, but you want to be careful about

calling their character into question. so far the examinations i have seen by defense counsel have not been short or simple and therefore not terribly effective. >> what's happening outside the courthouse? >> reporter: it's relatively muted outside the courthouse. there are a group of protesters who have been here since the beginning of jury selection, about a dozen or so down the street much when you look what's happening inside the courtroom, these are two key witnesses, one who took the video and one who was the most vocal bystander in the video how he pled with the officers to get off george floyd, that he is no longer breathing, using his experience as mixed martial arts.

we don't know how jurors are react, but based on mr. williams testimony yesterday, there are rotating reporters in the room sending out reports. one thing you heard was that the jury was listening intently to the testimony of mr. williams. most of them were taking notes. mr. williams, as he was testifying, he looked at the jury stand multiple times. he connected more with the jury than the first two witnesses that the state introduced, according to reporters in the room. you get a sense that the jury was paying a lot of attention to what's being said in that courtroom, india. >> eddie, when we talk about

donald williams, there was a contentious cross-examination because he was trying to stop the police, have them get up, so he was interacting with the police verbally. >> yes. i think they were -- >> we have that ready. let's play it. let me play the sound and let's listen to it and have you react on the other side now that it's ready. >> you called him a tough guy. >> i did. >> you called him a real man. >> i did. >> you called him such a man. >> i did. >> you called him bogus. >> i did. >> you called him a bone at least 13 times. >> if that's what you counted in the video. >> that's what i counted. >> you called him a bitch. yes or no, sir.

>> if that's what is in the video, yes, i did. >> so trying to impugn him as a witness, trying to create what the defense is claiming was a hostile crowd what they say impacted officer chauvin's behavior because of the impact of the crowd. how did this witness hold up? >> i thought he did a wonderful job. the defense took the tactic that the crowd was preventing the police from caring for george floyd. i think what was revealed in the testimony was that the crowd was trying to get the police to attend to the health of george floyd. i think it did the reverse. so i thought donald williams handled it fairly well in krot examination.

>> melissa, your take away? >> i think the witnesses were incredibly good. a number of people were so disturbed, so unorthodox that they felt compelled to call the police on the police. there has to be a question among the defense lawyers, whether it makes sense to call derek chauvin to the stand, another eyewitness, to shift this narrative a little bit. >> let me tell you a little more of darnella frazier, the witness who took the video. she was 17 at the time. she was walking her 9-year-old cousin to cup foods and described bystanders who defense claimed were threatening. >> did you see any of the bystanders you would describe as

unruly? >> no. >> is it fair to say they were a mob? >> no. >> did you see any of them make an effort to actually offer care for mr. floyd? >> physically? >> yes. >> i seen -- i heard them say get off of him, you are hurting him, he can't breathe, he's not moving. but any time someone tried to get close they were defensive so we couldn't get close. >> let's stick with what you heard. the bystanders were saying things to mr. chauvin? >> yes. >> what things did you hear were being said to mr. chauvin by the bystanders? >> you are hurting him. are you enjoying this?

he can't breathe. he's not moving, his nose is bleeding. you are a bum. >> melissa, those are very specific testimonies. she has the video. she knows what she saw, what she was taping on the video and she explained also why she took the video. >> we have seen throughout the testimony this morning a number of individuals. this checks back with yesterday. a number of people were watching this go down and were disturbed by what they saw. the idea that mr. chauvin spent so much time leaning on mr. floyd seemed excessive, far more than necessary. they also noted this was not just their view of it, that there were a number of people around them in the crowd itself

that felt it was unjustified. so they are painting a picture. >> here a another excerpt from donald williams who called 911 and explained why. >> at some point did you make a 911 call? >> that's right. i did call the police on the police. >> why did you do that? >> i believe i witnessed a murder. >> so you felt a need to call the police? >> i felt a need to call the police on the police. >> there were police there? >> there were. >> why didn't you talk to them about it? >> we didn't have no connection. i spoke to them, but not in the connection of a human being relationship. >> did you believe that they were involved? >> yes, totally.

>> jeff rosenberg, let's talk about that testimony. he's there with the police, testified they were being held back and calls 911. that's pretty extraordinary. >> very compelling. it's not just what you thought someone ought to do, not just what he thought he ought to do, it's what he actually did. they later played the 911 call that mr. williams was describing. you need him for two reasons in that instance. you need him to authenticate his own voice on the recording and that allows that tape to be admitted into evidence. but he explains why. he thought a man was being murdered in front of his eyes. these witnesses we are seeing right now, they are not perfect. their recollections aren't

pristine, but they are fundamentally truth tellers, so it becomes difficult to cross-examine them. i thought mr. williams was quite compelling and did what he thought should be done. call the cops on the cops because he thought a man was being murdered in fron of his eyes. >> it strikes me that this is somewhat analogous to the 911 operator who called her boss on what she was seeing from a frozen security camera on the street. she was concerned that it looked like something that shouldn't have been happening. this whole context of the police versus the community which is the broader context after what happened with george floyd. yet here is a case where the

minneapolis chief police is going to be one of the witnesses for the prosecution. you have a very different context of how the community is interacting with the police. >> i was thinking the same thing, andrea. there has been the argument or claim that chauvin in some ways, everything he did was consistent with his 19 years of training. but what we know from the 911 dispatcher, what she was witnessing was so out of bounds that she called the sergeant. and then we heard that donald witness called the cops on the cops because they felt they weren't officer to greg floyd, and then the crowd recognizing george floyd ace wife was in

danger. chauvin executing his duties and a police officer, what he learned over 19 years, and what folks around him are seeing. i am not a lawyer. i can only go from my gut. what i see is that chauvin was acting in such a way that triggered all of these actions that suggested he was doing something untoward and fundamentally wrong. >> i am not a lawyer either, but we have melissa here andreychuk as well. -- and chuck as well. it's important to establish this was not police versus cops. they have to portray that chauvin was not an ordinary police officer even though he was a veteran. is that right, chuck? >> you are right. these are hard cases.

i have heard people say this is a case easily resolved. i don't think this is true because the two biggest issues that remain are intent which the prosecution will have to prove to the jury beyond a reasonable doubt and -- all of this is to come. >> we heard gabe gutierrez's interview the nephew on monday afternoon. >> we were warned before of the graphic. i tried to mentally prepare but i think after the video started and i think as they showed chauvin kneeling on his neck and

repositioning, him asking for help and saying he couldn't breathe, i walked out. >> you walked out? >> i walked out of the family room. i couldn't watch it. >> brandon, the nephew was watching in the overflow room watching with the rest of the family and walked out because it was so painful to see the full video which we haven't seen and apparently the family had not seen either. >> that's right, andrea. the reason he wasn't in the courtroom was because of the social distancing requirements. there is only one seat for the family of mr. floyd in the courtroom. but in the overflow room you get a sense of the emotion. they not only have to watch george floyd dying that day, but then they have to hear the claims made by the defense,

reference of drug use and character assassination. they were bracing for this during the trial. you got a sense of it as you listened to george floyd's nephew. i asked him what did he think right after the defense put on his opening statement and he said i think we will be okay. you get the sense that the family will have to deal with a tough couple of weeks listening to the trial. not only the family, but the witnesses and level of emotion in their voices as they give their testimony. >> certainly today darnella frazier, the young lady to took the video. how hard is it for the jurors to listen to the judge's

instructions, as the defense tries to take down george floyd by talking about drug use, character issues that the defense is hanging much of their case on. >> to be clear. i think the most determinative moments happened in jury selection as they prepped these questions whether they could be individual. they have to prove each element of the crime beyond a reasonable doubt. the jury will be instructed that is the government's burden. will this make a difference to

the jury? it may well. but they will be in the box with the jury instructions and they know they can't go beyond what is on the page of those jury instructions as they make those decisions. >> one of the things the witnesses bring out, in addition to their own recollection, is recreating what we saw in the video, recreating what was happening on the street from their perspective. >> i think we got a visceral sense of how traumatic it was, not just for george floyd himself, but every one watching. i think this raises a big question for the defense whether they want to put derek chauvin on the stand to inject a different perspective on what happened that day. >> i will ask all of you to

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we are back. chuck rosenberg, let's talk about whether or not you think at this point down the road derek chauvin would testify. would he take the stand? >> melissa murray raised that and she is right. it's probably the most important decision that a defense attorney with his client, the defend, will have to make in the trial. an extraordinary decision. the law puts no burden whatsoever on the defense and grounded in the constitution, they have the right to remain silent and it never shifts with

the defendant. does he have to testify? as a matter of law, absolutely not. should he testify? a good question. i can almost guarantee what they are doing outside the courtroom are mock cross-examination of derek chauvin. even though he has the right not to testify, the jury will want to hear from him. >> the george is back. let's take another look and watch this trial as it resumes. >> you remember the testimony about you saw derek chauvin kneel hard? >> yes. >> how did you see him respond and react to the crowd's calling out to him? what did you see him do? >> he just stared at us, looked

at us. he had like this cold look, heartless. he didn't care. it seemed as if he didn't care what we were saying. it didn't change anything he was doing. ? >> response to what you and the other bystanders were saying, did you see him do anything differently to the body of george floyd? >> can you re -- >> i will just ask you the question. in response to what the crowd was doing or saying, did you see him kneel harder on george floyd? >> yes. >> incidentally, do you see mr. chauvin in the courtroom today? >> yes. >> could you please point him out? >> there. >> for the record, she's pointing to mr. chauvin. you have at some point told us

you were there when the ambulance came. >> yes. >> did mr. chauvin get off mr. floyd when the ambulance arrived? >> no. the ambulance person had to get him to lift up. >> so the ambulance arrives and does an ambulance person get out right away to ask mr. chauvin lift up or did something else happen? >> he checked his pulse while chauvin's knee still remained on george floyd's neck. >> paramedic checks his pulse with mr. chauvin still on his neck and then what happens after that? >> the paramedic did a motion like get up. basically telling him to remove his knee. his knee was still there. even at the end, unresponsive. >> did mr. chauvin get up at that time? >> yes.

>> as you were observing the entire scene, did you observe mr. floyd do anything that you felt was threatening to any of the police officers? >> no. >> did you see him do anything other than call out in anguish? >> no, besides maybe trying to get more comfortable, no. >> do you feel -- let me ask the question differently. when you arrived at the scene, you heard mr. floyd crying out. >> yes. >> at some point did you see him go unconscious? >> yes. >> did you hear any discussion about whether or not he had in fact died? >> no. >> when the paramedics came,

they picked up his body, took his body from the scene? >> yes. >> did they revive him there? >> no. >> did you ever see him conscious again before you left the scene? >> no. >> incidentally, with the photograph of the bystanders, exhibit 84 in front of you, did the bystanders for the most part stay there on the sidewalk? >> for the most part, yes. >> if they stepped at all into the street, was that officer there telling them to get back? >> yes. >> did you see that the bystanders complied with what the officer was asking? >> yes.

>> your honor, i pass the witness. >> good morning, ma'am. thank you for being here. i just have a few questions for you. >> okay. >> you testified that when you first came up to cup foods you initially heard what was being said by mr. floyd, right? >> yes. >> you sent your cousin into the store and you never went into cup foods yourself, right? >> correct. >> you pretty much from the time you sent your cousin in to the store, started recording.

>> correct. >> ultimately you recorded from that point all of the way until shortly after the paramedics came and left, right? >> correct. >> so it's fair to say that prior to -- well, as you approached them, mr. floyd was already in that position, right? >> yes. >> he was on the ground. >> yes. >> and anything that happened prior to that you wouldn't be privy to or know what happened, right? >> correct. >> and so what we saw from your video that has been played was roughly ten minutes of time, agreed? >> agree. >> throughout the course of your time that you were recording, you would agree that when you watched the video, there are times we can hear your voice,

correct? >> right. >> and we can hear the voices of the other people, the bystanders. >> yes. >> i believe you said by the end there were about 12 to 14 people standing kind of right there on the sidewalk, right? >> correct. >> were you also observing people across the street? >> no. >> were you observing people down on the other side of 38th? >> no. i was mainly focused on what i was seeing. >> you would agree that that intersection is a fairly busy intersection, lots of traffic? >> yes, it could be. >> at times, right? >> it is a bus route, buses coming by. >> multiple times it has been empty as well, but yeah. >> understood, but it's a busier intersection -- it's in the

middle of the city, right? compared to like in a neighborhood where it is all houses, more traffic there, right? >> yes. >> in fact, in the video we can see a lot of cars driving by because this was a nice spring night, right? >> yes. >> your video speaks for itself. what we see on it was what you were watching. >> correct. >> you were interviewed by, i believe, a couple of bureau of criminal apprehension agents early on in the case, right? the bca, bureau of criminal apprehension. they came and took a statement from you? >> yes.

the fbi? >> was there an fbi agent? let's call them law enforcement. there were a couple of law enforcement agents that interviewed you? >> closer to the situation, yes. i believe it was two white guys. i am not sure if they were white, but they looked -- closer to the situation, yes. >> you met with them, provided them your cell phone and allowed them to copy the video from your cell phone for purposes of their investigation, right? >> yes. >> and at that time they took a statement from you. would you agree with that? >> yes. >> and you understand that that statement was recorded, right? >> yes. >> i don't want to misphrase what you said before, but i thought i heard you say that you were aware that there were four

officers on the scene when you walked up? >> no. i didn't see the other officers until the end. when everything blowed up, i seen different angles. that's when i figured out it was two other officers on george floyd when he was laying on the ground. >> the question being, however, as you were filming it, you were not aware that those other two officers were there? >> no. the only officers i saw were chauvin and officer thao. those were the two -- you primarily had interactions with officer thao, right? >> yes. >> and you testified that officer chauvin didn't say much, right? >> yes. >> but it's fair to say you couldn't necessarily hear whether those other officers were speaking to mr. chauvin? >> objection.

assuming facts not established. >> overruled. you can answer if you know. do you want to ask the question again? >> i heard him. no, i did not hear the officers. >> it's also fair to say when you first started recording, you were one of the few people that were there, right? >> i was the first person to record, first person yeah, sure. >> and by the end of the video there were more people present? >> yes. >> would you agree that when you initially started recording, you weren't saying much, if anything, to the officers, right? >> i don't remember. >> but as time went on and more people showed up, voices became louder, would you agree with that? >> as we understood more of what

was happening. >> what we seen is how we reacted. like you said, the video speaks for itself. >> understood and i appreciate that. you heard various people calling the officers names. >> yes. >> and the volume of the people that were bystanders grew louder over time. would you agree with that? >> yes. more so as he was becoming more unresponsive. >> and more people also started speaking at the same time, right? >> yes. >> so we had -- you said there were 12 to 14 people -- >> around that -- >> around that number. i think i counted 12 in the picture. and several of them were speaking. would you agree with that?

>> yes. >> and several of them were yelling. >> yes. >> and they were becoming more and more upset based on what they saw? >> correct. >> do you remember officer thao saying to you, you can breathe if you can talk? >> yes. >> now in addition to your initial interview with law enforcement officers, you also met with a prosecution team a couple of times in preparation for trial, right? >> who would that be? >> like mr. allison,

mr. blackwell, mr. fisher, and a host of others. >> correct. >> and you grew up in the nearby neighborhood, right? >> i am from here. i grew up near the suburbs. >> but you were at the time living -- >> i had been there for years, correct. >> how many would you say? >> maybe five plus. >> okay. you attended roosevelt high school at the time? >> yes. >> you testified that you felt safe walking to the store? >> sorry. at the time of this i am not sure if i attended roosevelt. i was in the process of switching schools. >> okay. >> it was during the pandemic so

everybody -- all of a sudden you had to study from home kind of a thing? >> i was already at my other school, so, yes. >> you testified that you had walked to cup foods hundreds, if not thousands of times. >> yes. >> and that you felt safe going there? >> i would go there any time of night. >> would you agree that you told members of the prosecution team that at night the neighborhood can be a little more dangerous? >> some nights. it wasn't really known for violence like every night or a lot a lot. but i feel like any area has some type of crime here and there. >> understood. i am not trying to disparage the neighborhood. i am just asking what you told the prosecution before. >> right.

you ultimately ended up posting your video to social media, correct? >> correct. >> and it went vial? >> correct. >> was that a surprise to you? >> definitely. >> changed your life, right? >> on. beyond the scope of direct. >> overruled. >> are you asking me? >> yes. changed your life? >> it has. >> no further questions. >> you have just been asked questions about the safety of your neighborhood at night. on may 25 when you were there, were you there at cup foods at night? >> no. >> sun was out and you could see

fine? >> correct. >> you were also asked whether or not you were aware what people were across the street from where the officers were, what people were on the other side of 38th street. do you remember mr. nelson asking you about that? >> correct. >> did you see anybody from across the street or 38th street do anything to either attack or threaten mr. chauvin? >> no. >> do you think if you had somebody coming across the street to attack mr. chauvin, you had your camera going, would you have recorded it? >> correct. >> he asked some questions about the bystanders there were there. and he talked with you about that, those bystanders. did you see a single thing that indicated to you that mr. chauvin was afraid of you, your little cousin or a single one of the bystanders?

>> no. >> you were asked about cars on the street. cars and cars. did you notice mr. chauvin trying to get out of the way of cars? >> no. >> you were also asked about what the officers might have been saying to mr. chauvin. do you remember that? >> yes. >> did you hear the officers say mr. floyd didn't have a pulse? >> no. >> you didn't hear them say anything? >> no. >> you were asked about as the events went on may 25th, how you and others may have gotten louder. >> correct. >> darnella, are you the sort of

person when you see someone get armed harmed on the street, you get louder? >> i have social anxiety so it is out of my comfort zone to be that person. but when i seen what i saw at moments i was out. >> in response to what you saw? >> correct. >> mr. nelson asked a few questions about your video going viral and how that has changed your life. do you remember that? >> yes. >> could you tell the ladies and gentlemen how your viewing and experiencing what happened to george floyd, how it has affected your life? >> when i look at george floyd i look at my dad, my brothers, my

cousins, my uncles, because they are all black. i have a black brother, i have a black father, i have black friends. i look at that and i look at how that could have been one of them. nights i stayed up apologizing to george floyd for not doing more and not physically interacting and not saving his life. it's not what i should have done. it's what he should have done. >> thank you. >> did you finish your answer? >> your next question. >> that's my last question.

thank you, darnella. >> thank you. you may step down. >> you can leave. thank you. >> next witness for the state is coming. >> and the next witness is going to be a minor witness. there will be audio but no video. they will be swearing in this witness. again, these are among the witnesses who are eyewitnesss to the scene. we just heard darnella frazier with an emotional, emotional answer as to how it changed her

life on redirect. that was quite a statement where the cross-examination tried to get to the fact that it has changed her life just leaving it out there hanging and the prosecutor came back and asked how. she said there were nights where she stays up thinking about george floyd and apologizing for not doing more to save his life. pretty dramatic, obviously. yes. the defense attorney forgot he was talking to a person who was 17 years old at the time and witnessed the death of george floyd -- the murder of george floyd. what she revealed in her answer was accumulated trauma and worrying about not only what she saw but what it meant for the people she loves. this is the burden this trial

carries. it is about a history of how black folk are treated by police and how the criminal justice system has failed them. and we heard it in her tears. my goodness. >> shaq, as you have been listening to this as well, how has the jury been reacting? >> translator: feel free-- >> reporter: feel free to stop me if they resume. but jurors were seen taking many notes. one juror looks more animated, looks shocked, has a furrowed brow. and there is a juror sitting there not as engaged. there are only two reporters in

the room during testimony. these are reactions of the testimony from this morning. you get a sense they are listening closely. >> good porng r morning. first of all, tell us how old you are. >> nine. >> how old will you be by the end of next week? >> ten. >> what grade are you in? >> third. >> do you have a cousin named darnella? >> yes. >> do you remember going with her sometime last year in may -- >> yeah. >> let me finish my question. do you remember going to cup foods? >> yes. >> you liked going to cup foods

to buy snacks? >> yes. >> did you go with your cousin darnella sometime in may of last year to get snacks? >> yeah. >> let me show you exhibit 14. just a second. okay. i'm showing you what's been marked as our exhibit number 13 and asking, can you see the two people in the front of that picture? >> yeah. >> can you? >> yeah. >> who are those people?

>> me and my cousin. >> which one is you? and so the little one with the word "love" on her shirt? >> yes. >> you that day, you went into cup foods to get your snacks. >> yes. >> and when you came out of the cup foods, do you remember what you did next when you came out? >> i saw the officer put a handcuff on george floyd. >> you mentioned someone george floyd. >> yes. >> did you know george floyd before may 25th? >> i can't hear -- >> could you say that again, you can't hear? >> no. >> okay. had you ever met george floyd before going into cup foods that day? >> no. >> as far as you know, have you

ever seen him? >> no. >> now, when you came out to where your cousin was and you saw george floyd, was there a policeman there? >> yes. >> do you remember what the policeman or policemen were doing? >> putting in the unit george floyd. >> if i show you a picture of a policeman -- why don't i just do that. let me ask you if you recognize the policeman in what's marked as exhibit 17. do you recognize this man? >> yes. >> who is he? >> i can't remember his name. >> do you remember what he was doing? how do you know him? >> he was pushing his knee in the neck of george floyd. >> do you see him in the courtroom today? >> no. >> how about now?

>> yes. >> so is that the person that you saw? >> yes. >> so you saw him put the knee on the neck of george floyd. when was the knee taken -- did you see if that knee was ever taken off of george floyd's neck? >> no. >> were you there when an distance came? >> yes. >> tell us what happened after you saw the ambulance coming? >> yes. the ambulance had to push him off of him. >> how did that happen? did they simply come in an ambulance and go up to push him off, what happened? >> they asked him nicely to take it off of him. >> what they asked him nicely to get off of him, what did he do? >> he still stayed on him. >> and then what happened after he still stayed on him, what did the ambulance people do? >> they just had to tell him get off of him.

>> are you able to tell us having been there on this day and seeing the officer on top of george floyd, how did you feel about that? how did it affect you? >> i was sad and kind of mad. >> and tell us, why were you sad and mad? >> because it felt like he was stopping his breathing and this kind of like hurted him. >> thank you, judea, i won't ask you anymore questions. >> thank you. >> judea, you're excused. you're done testifying. thank you. >> you're welcome.

>> and we just heard from the 9-year-old cousin of darnella frazier, who was testifying about what she saw when she went to cup foods to get a snack with her cousin and that she had come out and saw the officer and later identified as officer chauvin with his knee on george floyd's neck. sheriff rosenberg, i think they're going to be taking a break right now. they are taking a recess until 1:15, we are just hearing from judge cahill. chuck rosenberg, what about this little girl's testimony? >> a couple of reactions to it, andrea. first, thank goodness the defense attorney did not cross-examine her. >> my thoughts exactly. >> the hardest thing sometimes is just sit down and be quiet

and that was a time for a defense attorney to sit down and be quiet. this little girl saw a terrible, traumatic event. it made her sad and mad. again, she's a truth-teller. in her open, less sew fist indicated but compelling way told the jury honestly what she saw and there's nothing to cross-examine her on. that brings up another point, andrea, the earlier cross-examination of her cousin of of darnella by the defense attorney, opened the door for the prosecution to get back up and redirect an examination of darnella and ask her how her life had changed, which led to that incredibly compelling and emotional testimony about how she wished she could have done more, she wish she could have done more for george floyd, that haunts her. the lesson here is unless you

really have something to add by opening your mouth and talking in court, sit down and be quiet. >> indeed. melissa murray, these two -- well, one teenager who's now 18, the other this little girl, third grader, and the trial mother, darnella, we can only imagine from the third grader what she saw, it made her sad and mad, melissa, i'm sorry, i think melissa had to go. eddie glaude, let's just think about that for a moment. she's a third grader. imagine how this is going to affect her. >> i couldn't help but think about that. as soon as i heard her voice, i asked myself, what does it mean we're asking this baby to testify in a trial of the murder or the death of george floyd? what is being asked of her? and then, of course, i went

immediately back to the young child who was in the car with orlando castille, alton's sons and all of the children who had to grieve in public and now here we are, my goodness. i keep saying my goodness. look at this. >> we're going to pick it up after this break. chuck todd will resume our coverage, our live coverage of this extraordinary trial, which has galvanized the nation. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. chuck todd on "meet the press daily" is next. dd on "meet the daily" is next

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