well, good afternoon. i am still chuck todd and i am in for katy tur and we have a technical glitch and we will have that fixed in a few minutes. we're watching the latest developments in the murder trial

of derek chauvin. testimony is expected to resume shortly and we will have that for you live when it does. it has been another dramatic day in the first half of the trial that we have seen so far inside that courtroom in minneapolis. one eyewitness, an mma fighter who is trained in martial arts and choke holds on the stand for a second day understanding why he called 911 when he saw chauvin's knee on george floyd's neck. >> that is correct. i did call the police. >> why did you do that? >> because i believe i witnessed a murder. >> there's a guy that was not resisting arrest, and he had the knee on this dude the whole time, and when he was not breathing, he was not resisting arrest or nothing, and he was already in handcuffs. he is not responsive when the ambulance came and got him.

it's at 38th and chicago. >> would you like to speak with a sergeant? >> yeah, like -- >> hold on. one second. >> yeah, he was not resisting arrest. murder -- yeah, murder. murderers, brother. >> as you saw there he appeared to be fighting back tears as prosecutors played the 911 call that he made that day. chauvin's defense team trying to poke holes in his testimony by questioning his expertise. strangely enough. take a listen. >> i want to make sure you never officially have been invited to go into the minneapolis police academy to train law enforcement in the use of force or in the use of these choke holds. >> no. >> or any other police academy for that matter? >> no, i witnessed my sensei --

>> i am asking about you, sir, you have ever officially been asked to train police officers specifically in the use of choke holds? >> no, just witnessed it. >> eamon, we have you. now the baton is you. >> i appreciate that technical glitch, but we are back up and running here. williams, you heard there, he is going back and forth with the defense attorney, eric nelson, about his knowledge of neck chokes, and he says what he witnessed that day was a blood show. we're going to have more on that in just a moment. we also have been hearing from several more witnesses who are minors or were minors on the day they witnessed george floyd's death, so we do not know their names and have not seen their faces as they were testifying earlier today. and as we await the presumption

of the trial, let's break down what we just heard. joining me now, herschel brew stun in minneapolis, and also former senior fbi official and former u.s. attorney, chuck rosenberg. good to have you with us on the second day of the trial. joyce, you described donald williams as a devastating witness for the prosecution. explain that to us and what about that back and forth over the type of choke hold from the defense, the significance of that if you see any? >> well, this is the prosecution's case, so of course, you would expect the witnesses to be good, but mr. williams was particularly effective and on cross-examination i think he did a great job of swatting away defense experts -- defense efforts to paint him as an agitated angry black man or somebody going beyond his expertise, sort of a weird little exchange they had there

since he's not formerly qualified as an expert, and williams talked about what he saw and how it made him feel and ultimately the fact he was forced to call the cops on the cops because of his concerns. there's a subtle point there, and any effort to argue that he was anti-police will fail because what he did when he saw something happening that was wrong was he called police, and he was concerned about one police officer that he viewed as a criminal, just devastating testimony for the prosecution to obtain. >> this is the second day in a row where you had somebody see what was happening and called, and you had a 911 dispatcher called the sergeant and said the video feed is troubling, and i don't see any movement coming from there, and these back-to-back narratives was troubling and it adds more to the prosecution's case, does it

not? people observing this were noticing a troubling pattern here. >> it does -- mr. williams' demeanor is important. he was so persistent and almost polite early on, and he gets more agitated but never really rolls into anger, and all the jurors are sitting there asking themselves how would they have been in his situation, and he seems to have struck the right balance and i think it's incredible under the circumstances that the police can turn upon him, and he continues to ask for them to do something based on his training. that's really important evidence for a jury to see because they can put themselves in mr. williams' shoes and will see his credibility. >> and we heard from the first underaged witness, and we are not going to use her name to help protect her identity.

she taped that scene on her phone that the world has now seen, that knee on george floyd's neck. she had testimony about what she saw and what the rest of the world saw. >> reporter: really emotional testimony. mr. williams was more of the vocal people on the scene, and when we look at what the jury has been seen and how they are reacting, they know that with mr. williams, they were connecting with him yesterday and they would turn and make eye contact with them, and as far as the reaction to darnella, it's at this moment they really dialled in. >> when i look at george floyd i look at -- i look at my dad, i look at my brothers. i look at my cousins, my uncles, because they are all black, i have a black father and i have a black brother and i have black

friends, and i look at that and i look at how that could have been one of them. there are nights i have stayed up apologizing and apologizing to george floyd for not doing more and not physically interacting and not saving his life. but it's like, it's not what i should have done, it's what he should have done. >> according to the two reporters allowed in the room they say that during that part all of the jurors seemed very sympathetic at the end of her testimony, and there has been one juror inparticular that has been more expressive, and showing emotion even through her mask and that was a moment that stuck out with them and you get the sense the jury is paying attention to the very emotional testimony.

>> a very powerful moment just listening to that, and i can't imagine what it was like to see it as well. chuck, we heard from powerful testimony, from the 911 dispatcher yesterday that i eluded to earlier, and three other compelling witnesses today. let's talk about the defense strategy so far. what do you make of the defense team trying to push back on two of them? >> well, i will tell you, having tried lost of cases and having made my share of mistakes, i saw a big one from defense counsel. cross-examinations are hard, and good cross-examinations are very hard, and mr. chauvin's attorney went too far, and he opened the door to something that could hurt him, and that shape you just played of darnella, talking about that haunting that she didn't do more to help mr. floyd, there's a defense attorney opening the door and

re-inviting that testimony so emotional and compelling, what did he do wrong? he asked her whether or not she took a video of the incident and the fact that it went viral, whether that changed her life. that permitted the prosecutor to get back up on redirect, a second shot that would not have been relevant or admissible earlier and saying, okay, you were just asked how your life has changed. how has your life changed? and that led to the clip you just played. so it was a mistake by the defense attorney to open the door and permit that redirect by the prosecution, and she is haunted by the fact that she didn't do more. she's not at fault. she didn't do anything wrong. she thinks she did, and i can tell you that will resonate with the jury. >> yeah, anybody that might think she benefited from that is sadly mistaken when you hear how much emotion she has had to

endure as a result of it. one of the other testimonies we heard today, a witness, nine years old. this is obviously a delicate balance for the prosecution to put somebody that young on the stand. walk us through the thinking. what is the purpose of putting somebody that is nine years old on the stand? what do you make of that witness? >> it's always difficult to decide whether you put a young child on the witnesses stand, but in this case it looks like it was a good call. it is i think very painful for us as lawyers to see a 9-year-old child process this, and it's likely that she at some point felt strongly about testifying and being able to share her side of the story, and she's a very accurate eyewitness, she testifies to the fact that when the ambulance arrives they actually have to remove officer chauvin from george floyd and it provides a

compelling look, you know. children, when they see these situations they testify very directly about what they observe without some of the filters that adults can employ so they can be very direct witnesses. it was a good morning for the prosecution, but i always used to tell my lawyers, the prosecution has to convince every juror, they have to get unanimous agreement among the jury to convict, and even with a good morning like this you can't get too far ahead of yourself as the prosecution. >> yeah, and let's talk about the jurors for a moment, because we don't get to see them or their reactions and there are observers in that courtroom including some of the pool reporters and what are you hearing from the reporters inside the courtroom as how today played out? >> right, right. we use that term pool reporters,

and this is a rotating group of reporters and two are allowed in the courtroom at a time, and those are the accounts we are relying on, and as i read a couple notes, i mentioned how they reacted to darnella's testimony, and one reporter said there were notable expressions of sympathy when she talked about apologizing to floyd for not doing more, and they have been taking notes and engaged and looking at the video. apparently the chairs have wheel on them and sometimes they swivel back and forth as witnesses are answering questions from the prosecution, and you get the side bars when the attorneys are conferring with the judge privately, they are talking to one another, there's some level of familiarity, so there's some level of comfort that they are building with one another during those moments when there's no

testimony and that uncertainty -- i know it's awkward when we watch the testimony and there's that silence there, and that's what is going on inside the courtroom. yesterday, for example, once it got to the afternoon session, some jurors were putting in coffee -- cups of what appeared to be coffee, and nobody examined them but it appeared to be coffee, and they are the focus of this trial, and that's who the prosecution and the defense and even some of the witnesses as we saw are focused on as the trial continues. >> i will ask you to stick around as we expect more coverage from the trial in a little bit. any minute now we are expected to hear from president joe biden, and he will sign a two month extension of the paycheck protection program, and that was set to expire tomorrow and it

will now run through the end of may. president biden addressed his economic recovery plan at a virtual event earlier today. watch. >> when i took office back in january, i promised that help would be on the way and today help is here. the american rescue plan is already helping get americans vaccinated and putting money directly into american's pockets. it's a big part of the law and it's helping small businesses keep their doors open as well, and there's a big chunk that does just that. >> joining me is white house correspondent, jeff bennett. what are we expecting from the president this hour? >> i think we will hear more from president biden on this theme. he will make the case that the american rescue plan, most of the $1.9 trillion included in that funding goes to low income americans, middle class americans and small businesses.

so to that end the legislation that the president is signing today extends the paycheck protection program that was supposed to expire tomorrow, as you mentioned, and after the president signs this legislation it will allow borrowers to apply for the program through the end of may and beyond that the small business administration will be able to apply loans all the way through the end of june. this program was meant to help small businesses and keep them afloat during the pandemic, and so the step the president is taking today really provides relief to small business owners who have been scrambling to get their applications in time. >> the ppe is one issue, and surprisingly these days where there's broad bipartisan support in congress it does beg to question whether or not the white house is looking for another targeted issue that can, in fact, pass the senate. is there anything on the radar in that regard? >> yeah, it would be infrastructure. infrastructure week is upon us once again, and it was reduced to a punch line during the trump

administration, and tomorrow biden is set to go to pittsburgh and unveil part of the infrastructure plan and this is something traditionally republicans and democrats have supported, and most americans don't have to go far to find a road or railway in their community that needs work. this is all part of biden's so-called build back better plan. the first part will be his plan to revitalize physical infrastructure, and the hope is it will get republican support, and then in april he will unveil the spending part of the plan, and there will be provisions in there for child care and tax credits and to reframe the american economy to work for working people, as the white house puts it. that's the overall vision, and the infrastructure part of that which the white house is hoping they will get republican buy in unveiled tomorrow.

>> i have to ask you about the troubling pattern we are seeing with the rise of attacks against asian-americans, more troubling videos and attacks we are seeing, and the biden administration taking steps on the asian-american violence, and they are creating a task force. tell us more about this. what do we know? >> given the uptick in incidents of bias and violence against the asian community, the biden administration announced a number of steps, and they are funding roughly $15 million in funding for that issue and will establish a covid-19 equity task force they are calling it to address the issue of xenophobia of asian-americans connected to the pandemic,and they say the department of justice, a cross

agency initiative aimed directly at addressing anti-asian violence. beyond that they will launch what they are calling a new virtual bookshelf of federally funded projects that explore asian-americans contributions. >> jeff, covering multiple topics coming out of the white house this afternoon. thank you, as always, my friend. the family of george floyd speaks out after a day of testimony. >> if you could say something to derek chauvin, what would it be? >> i have no words for him. >> more on what they have to say about reliving the moments that led to mr. floyd's death. after president biden urged states to reinstate mask mandates, the governor of arizona is lifting all covid

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news justice correspondent. what are you seeing -- actually, hold on to that for just a moment. let's cross over to the president who is speaking and signing that ppe extension. >> small businesses are out of business because they got bypassed the first time around. today i am proud to sign the extension, which i will do in a second with the paycheck protection program, and it's a bipartisan accomplishment. nearly 90,000 businesses are online, and there are hundreds of thousands of people that could lose their jobs and small family businesses that might close forever. as you know, small business is the backbone of our economy and representing almost 50% of all employees in america, and i want to thank the senators for their

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>> all right, so you were just watching the president signing the ppe extension into law, and noting the bipartisan support it had as well as thanking senators that were able to get that done. we want to cross over back to minneapolis, the afternoon session of derek chauvin, the second part of the trial this afternoon is starting right now. let's crossover and listen in. >> what city do you live in? >> minneapolis. >> you have lived in minneapolis your whole life? >> yes. >> and in terms of your general neighborhood, do you live relatively close to cut foods? >> in the area. >> so i'm going to ask you some

questions about memorial day, may 25th of last year, okay? >> okay. >> what were you doing that evening? >> i was going to the corner store to get a cord for my car. >> when you say corner store, where is that. and you said you were going to get an aux cord, describe what that is? >> a cord to play music on my radio. >> when you say you go to the corner store, do you go there often? >> not a lot, but if i was around, i would go there for snacks. >> so you had been there before? >> yes. >> who were you with that day? >> cameron. >> who is cameron? is she a friend? >> yes. >> how do you get to cut foods that day? >> i drove my grandfather's

vehicle. >> what kind of car is that? >> a 2003 buick century. >> what color is that? >> tan. >> you said you drove, so you were in the driver's seat driving that day? >> yes. >> you say your friend was with you. where was she in the car? >> passenger. >> she was in the passenger's seat? >> yes. >> at that time, in may of last year, how old were you then? >> 17. >> you talk about going to get an aux cord at cut foods and you were in your grandpa's car. what did you see when you first pulled up in front of cut foods? >> i saw there were police cars. i was just looking for somewhere to park, so. >> so when you say you were

looking for somewhere to park, you said you saw a police car. did you see anything else? >> no. did you get to park the car after you first pulled up? >> yes. >> and where did you park? >> a couple feet in front of the bus stop. >> and i'm going to put up exhibit one, which has already been admitted. if you look in front of you, you can see a map. can you short of circle or point with your finger on that screen in front of you about the area where you parked your car? you said in front of the bus stop, right next to that little circle, is that the bus stop you are talking about? >> yeah. >> so you said you parked your car. what did you do at that point? >> i told my friend to stay in

the car because i didn't really know what was going on, and i originally was still just going on to get a charger or an aux cord, so i got out of the car and started walking towards the store. >> at first you said you didn't know what was going on. was there something that drew your attention somewhere? >> yes, right before i walked in the door i saw there was four police officers and george outside. >> when you say george, who is george? >> the black male on the ground. >> did you know who he was at that point in time? >> no. >> did you later learn his name? >> yes. >> and are you talking about george floyd? >> yes. >> so you saw a black male that you learned later to be mr. floyd on the ground around officers. did you hear what was going on

at that point? >> i heard -- there was already a couple by standers there, and i just heard some people talking to let him up and just to stay calm, talking to george. yeah. >> and did you hear -- when you were talking about george, mr. floyd, did you hear mr. floyd say anything? >> yes, i heard him say that he could not breathe and that his stomach hurt and that he wanted his mom. >> did you have your friend's phone with you when you got out of the car? >> yes, i did. >> so when you heard all these things going on, what did you decide to do with that phone? >> i knew initially that there was something wrong so i started recording. >> so you said you knew something was wrong. what made you think something

was wrong? >> well, a lot of people looked in distress on the sidewalk and george was in distress. >> when you say he was in distress, was it those things you heard him saying that made you think he was in distress? >> yes. >> so was that what prompted you to start to record? >> yes. >> and could you see what was going on with mr. floyd at that point? >> yes, i could see that he was being held to the ground. >> what did you see with respect to him being held on the ground? >> i saw derek had his knee on his neck. >> are you referring to mr.

derek chauvin when you are referring to derek? >> yes. >> what were the other officers doing that you could see? >> they were holding him down, the lower half of his body. >> in terms of george floyd's condition, what did he look like when you saw him? >> he was struggling at first, and he looked distressed and looked like he was fighting to breathe. >> when you say struggling and fighting to breathe and in distress, did it looks like he was getting into a physical fight with the officers or did it looks like he was struggling in terms of his ability to breathe? >> he was struggling with his ability to breathe. he was focused on trying to breathe. >> how could you tell that from your perspective, from where you were? >> well, at first he was vocal and he got less vocal and you

could tell he was talking with, like, small -- smaller and smaller breaths. he would spit a little when he would talk. he would try and move his head because he was uncomfortable. >> when you said he was getting less and less vocal, was there -- did you become more concerned over time? >> yes. >> why was that that you became more concerned or worried? >> because i slowly knew that if they were -- if he were to be held much longer he wouldn't live. >> what made you think that? >> because he was -- you could see in his face that he was slowly not being able to breathe. his eyes were rolling back and at that point he just kind of sat there, or laid there.

>> sorry, when you say he just kind of sat there or laid there, did you notice a change in his ability to speak or make sense? >> yes. >> take your time. if you need tissue there's some right there. is this difficult for you to talk about? >> yeah. >> do you need a minute? why is this difficult for you to talk about? >> it was difficult because i

felt like there was anything i could do, and i felt like i was failing it. >> you said you were feeling it? >> failing, failing to do anything. >> why did you feel like you were failing? >> because i was there and i, like, technically i could have did something but i couldn't really do anything physically what i wanted to do because the highest power was there at the time. >> so when you say you couldn't do physically what you wanted to do, can you explain why you felt you couldn't get involved? >> there was another police officer kind of, like, pushing the crowd back, making sure everybody was on the sidewalk and didn't get close. >> so did you feel like that

officer was stopping you from being able to get closer? >> uh-huh. yes. >> okay. did you at some point see any of the officers check for a pulse on mr. floyd? >> i'm not really sure. >> okay. what did you see the other officers do? >> well, they just kind of stood or kneeled at the same position holding him down. nobody really moved that much. that was on floyd. >> did you hear people, the bystanders, asking about a pulse? >> yes. when you heard people ask about a pulse did anything about what the officers change at that point? >> no, nobody responded. >> did they move their bodies

off mr. floyd? >> no. >> did mr. chauvin get up at that point? >> no. >> was mr. chauvin's need still on top of floyd at that point? >> yeah, his knee remained on him the entire time until the paramedics came. >> okay. did you get a chance to look at mr. chauvin while you were there? >> yes. i did look at him. >> what was he doing? where was he looking? >> most of the time i saw him staring at george. i didn't really see him take his eyes off of him for the most part. >> did you notice anything about what mr. chauvin was doing with his body? >> yes, at one point i saw him put more and more weight on to him. >> how could you tell that?

>> i saw his back foot or leg lift off the ground and his hands go in his pocket. >> so can you just describe a little more what you saw -- you know, you are describing leg movement and a hand in the pocket, and what did you see about the change of mr. chauvin's body was to make you think that. >> could you repeat the question? >> sorry, that was a bad question. how did it change, how did what mr. chauvin was doing look to you like he was putting more weight on mr. floyd? >> i kind of saw him move his knee down more, make little movements. >> when you say you saw mr. chauvin's knee move down more, what are you talking about? down into mr. floyd or down into somewhere else? >> down into mr. floyd's neck. >> okay.

what were you doing while you were watching all of this happen? >> i was recording and i was telling him to get off of him, and i was expressing that i was upset. >> and what made you upset about this situation? >> he wasn't able to breathe and they weren't -- i felt like they weren't doing what they were supposed to be doing. >> objection. >> the last part of the answer is stricken. >> all right. so at some point did you see an ambulance arrive? >> yes. >> you said that you had seen mr. chauvin on top of mr. floyd until the ambulance arrived. what else did you see happen when the ambulance arrived? >> i saw that they -- when the police officers didn't move, and chauvin kept his knee on his neck the entire time, even when

the paramedic was checking for a pulse. >> did you see paramedics check for a pulse? >> yes. >> what was happening that you saw at that point in time? >> they were checking his pulse around his neck. >> all right. you saw a paramedic touch mr. floyd's neck? >> yes. >> and it was at that point you said mr. chauvin was still on mr. floyd's neck? >> yes. >> after that at some point did the paramedics move mr. floyd's body? >> yes. >> was that the first time that you saw mr. chauvin get off mr. floyd's neck? >> yes. >> and anytime before the ambulance came, did you see any officers for mr. chauvin attempt to move mr. floyd or give any medical assistance in any way?

>> no. >> did you see anybody give him cpr or roll him over or anything like that? >> no. >> then you talked about there were other people who were on the curb with you, other bystanders. what were those people doing throughout this process? >> they were also expressing how they felt about the situation as well, and i'm -- i'm not exactly sure but i am aware that there was other people recording. >> okay. but were you all on the curb, essentially, in sort of a group together? >> yes. >> and did anybody get in close contact with mr. floyd's body? did anybody get close? >> no. >> okay. i will put up exhibit 184, please.

let me clear that. so do you see yourself in this picture? >> yes. >> can you circle yourself, please? and what are you doing at this point? >> i am recording. >> is that a phone in your hand? >> yes. >> do you recognize anybody else in this photo? >> yes. >> can you circle who it is you recognize. who is that by first name? >> caelynn? >> is that the friend, caelynn, you were describing? >> yes. >> you initially testified you told her to stay in the car. at some point did she come out and join you? >> yes.

>> do you recognize anybody else in this photo? >> darnella. >> and how do you know darnella? >> i used to go to school with her. >> did you have any interaction with her while you were there? >> before we walked up i said something to her, like, hi, how are you? i had not seen her in a while and it was the summer, so. >> you know who she is but did not plan to meet her there or anything like that? >> no. >> while you were recording with caelynn's phone, were there three separate video clips or three separate video files that you created on that phone? >> yes. >> before today did we have a chance to show you those videos? >> yes. >> did those three videos fairly and accurately show what you saw

and what you recorded on caelynn's phone? >> yes. >> and we marked those clips as exhibits 26, 27 and 28. i am going to offer those at this time. we're not going to publish those -- >> let me see them first? >> sorry. sorry. >> number 26, 27 and 28 are received. >> thank you, your honor. there was also another video that you were shown. did you have a chance to see a composite video or a side by side video of your three videos and a street camera all put together? >> yes. >> does that video that you saw again fairly and accurately show those three video clips and also show what you were doing and where you were positioned on

that day? >> yes. >> we have marked that composite video as 246. i would offer that at this time. >> no objection. >> 246 is received. >> thank you, your honor. so we will publish that. just before we do we're going to play that video now and i may stop it at points just to have you describe what is going on and what you are doing? >> okay. >> could we publish 246, please. >> your honor, could we have a sidebar? >> yes. >> just one moment. >> all right. you are seeing a sidebar moment there taking place during the testimony of an underaged minor, one of those that recorded three

video clips of that fateful day. we're going to go back into the trial as soon as the sidebar is over. i have joyce here that i would like to bring in the conversation to let us know what we are seeing. they are trying to establish the facts and their presence there. this was also, again, a very emotional moment in that the witness herself describing what she saw by saying that the police officers never attempted to provide medical care to george floyd, that derek chauvin never once rolled him over. also at one point added more weight using his body on top of george's neck? >> she's an effective witness. it will be necessary to get her testimony, of course, to authenticate the video clips she took, and more than that the

jurors are seeing photos of the accumulation of people on the sidewalk. if the defense intends to argue as we heard yesterday and a little bit more on cross-examination, there was an an element of crowd control here, these pictures dismiss that notion. >> let's go back into the courtroom. before we start up again, we have the beginning still frame on this video, which is now at 8:19:24. if you could, do you see the car that you were driving where we have the video right now? >> yes. >> can you circle that on the screen please. does that show you in the driver's seat? >> yes. >> was that the moment that you arrived on may 25th? was that this visual in terms of the positioning of the officers,

is that what you could see pulling up? >> yes. >> we can let it play. we will let the clip continue to play, and are you parking as this is happening? >> yes. >> when you see yourself come on screen, if you could point out where you are. >> before we get to that point, we can continue to play. did you initially start filming from the side or from behind the bus stop? >> yes, i moved closer eventually. >> why was it that you started filming -- we'll pause it right here.

why did you start filming sort of at a distance? >> i was not sure what was happening at first. i didn't want to get too close. >> why did you not want to get too close at the beginning? >> there was just a lot of police officers and it kind of felt tense. >> so we're not going to start it up again just yet, but we are now at 8:20:17. there's now a side by side video. is that image on the right side of the screen the video that you have taken? >> yes. >> that's one of those clips, is that right? >> yes. >> we'll let that play. >> what was going on right there as you were filming? where were you positioned? >> i was behind the bus stop or

in front of it, i guess you could say. >> was that your voice that came on briefly? >> yes. >> when you said what the expletive, what was going were ? >> i could hear george basically crying and begging them to get off of him, that he was in pain, and i knew that he was hurting, so it was upsetting. >> and at this point we still don't see you on screen, is that right? >> yes. >> were you still in the area off screen by the bus stop? >> yes. >> you've got him down, man. let him breathe at least, man.

>> pause it right there. and do you see yourself on screen now? >> yes. >> and can you circle where you are? and on the right side of the screen, is that the video you're taking at that point in time? >> yes. >> okay. we can keep playing. >> relax. >> i can't breathe, my face. >> relax. what do you want? >> i can't breathe. i can't breathe. >> get up, get in the car, man. >> i will. >> get up, get in the car. >> i can't move. >> get up and get in the car. >> mama -- >> get up and get in the car right. >> i can't. >> i gave you an opportunity to get in. you can't win.

you can't win, man. you didn't listen. >> my stomach hurts. my neck hurts. everything hurts me. water or something, please. please. i can't breathe, officer. >> he is in handcuffs. >> your knee on his neck, get off him. >> his nose is bleeding. >> that's wrong. >> your knee on his neck. you got your knee right on his neck, officer. he ain't even resisting arrest. >> are you having fun? >> you're a tough guy. you're a tough guy, huh? >> you're not even resisting arrest. >> he ain't doing nothing, put him in the car. >> how long you got to hold him

down? >> it ain't about drugs, bro. >> i understand that but you don't have to have your knee on his neck. he is human. i'm saying you could put him in the car. you don't have to sit there with your knee on his neck, bro. bro -- >> we're done. >> a jujitsu move, you're trapping his breathing. you don't think that's what it is, bro? bro, i train at the academy. that's some -- bro. right there, bro. >> i can't breathe. >> okay, he's talking. >> he's talking, bro, you can get him off the ground. you're being a bum right now. you can get him off the ground. you're being a bum right now. come on, bro, he enjoying that

right now, bro. >> is he talking now? >> you're enjoying it. your body language -- i already know that, bro. >> now there's a voice saying things like why are you kneeing him more and he's not talking now, look at him, he's about to knock out. whose voice was that? >> that is mine. >> and when you say -- when you were expressing why are you kneeing him more? what does that mean? what were you trying to get across? >> well, at that point i saw him, like, moving towards him more, putting more pressure -- >> when you say him moving towards him, can you -- >> derek. >> derek, mr. chauvin, was

moving towards mr. floyd more? >> yes, with his knee. >> okay. so when you say kneeing him are you meaning applying -- pushing on him more with that knee? >> yes. >> and you said he's not talking now, things like that, did you notice a change in mr. floyd at that point in time? >> yes. he stopped being as vocal, and he was more struggling to breathe. >> and when you said he's about to knock out, what does that mean? what were you trying to get across there? >> well, i could see that he was going unconscious and his eyes were starting to roll to the back of his head, and he had some saliva coming out of his mouth. >> was that the point in time you became even more concerned? >> yes. >> okay. we'll continue to play.

and as this is playing are you still standing there but not recording during this portion? >> yeah. >> and then did you record again afterward? >> yes. >> you're a bum, bro. you're a bum for that. you're a bum for that, bro. he's stopping breathing. >> look. what the -- >> bro. >> get the -- off of him. you're a -- >> you should check on him. he's not breathing right now. >> back off! >> he's not responsive right now. >> get off the street. >> he's not responsive right

now! he's not responsive right now! >> does he have a pulse? >> no, look at him. he's not responsive right now, bro. bro, are you serious? >> let me see a pulse. >> is he breathing? >> he's in handcuffs. >> check his pulse. check his pulse, thao. check his pulse. thao, check his pulse, bro. check his pulse. don't do drugs, bro. what is that? you think what he's doing is okay? >> 7162. >> are you a firefighter? >> i'm from minneapolis. >> bro, get off the sidewalk. >> show me his pulse. check it now. >> get back on the sidewalk. >> the man ain't moved yet, bro. >> he's not moving! >> bro, you're a bum, bro. >> check his pulse right now and tell me what it is. tell me what his pulse is right now.

>> check his pulse. bro, he has not moved. >> in over a minute. >> so, is it your voice asking about badge number and saying he's not moving, things like that? >> yes. >> and then someone said he hasn't moved and then in over a minute, was that your voice, too? >> yes. >> why was that important for you in terms of saying over a minute, were you worried about the length of time this was going on? >> yes, because i knew time was running out or that it had already. >> what do you mean by time was running out? >> that he was going to die. >> keep playing. go ahead. >> go back in the store. bro. >> i'm trying to help you all out. >> you don't need to help me out. i know your parents.

bro -- >> he was just moving when i walked up. >> so you're going to wait for the ambulance? >> you have a pulse? >> i've been watching the whole time. >> bro -- bro, you're a bum, bro. 987, bro, you're a bum. the first thing you want to grab is your mace because you're scared, bro. scared of minorities -- >> he's still on the ground. >> and somebody saying you're still on him, three minutes, whose voice is that? >> i believe that was a girl from inside the store. >> okay. >> did you hear your voice in that portion? >> yes. >> and what were you saying? >> i don't exactly remember exactly what i said, but i heard my voice. >> were you upset in that

moment? >> yes. >> and, again, was your concern increasing over time? >> yes. at that point i kind of knew. >> you kind of knew what? >> that he was dead or not breathing. >> and what made you think that he was dead or not breathing at that point? >> his eyes were closeded and he was just laying there. no longer fighting or resisting. >> and, again, when you were saying fighting or resisting before, what do you mean by that, were you talking about breathing, were you talking about fight? >> breathing. >> go ahead and play it. >> what are you doing? >> still on him. you all see he's not. like, for real, you're still on him.