>> and while you were traveling en route to the hospital did you at some point deliver a shock or administer a shock? >> yes. >> can you just describe why you did that and how it came about? >> i was checking and monitoring the patient and i believe i saw a pulse and that was a differential go rhythm for my protocol and that indicates defibrillation which i provided. >> when did you detect pulses electrical activity? >> en route to hennepin medical center. >> and i think you just said that is a shockable rhythm per your protocols? >> yes. pulses is a shockable protocol. >> you -- what made you notice the change? in terms of the we periodically

>> and was the lucas device giving compressions. >> the lucas device was giving compressions at the time. >> initially he was in asystole and you at some point saw on the monitor that there was the possibility of pulses electrical activity, is that right? >> correct. we would pause lucas, do a pulse check. it looked like a rhythm check with the pulses, and i elected to defibrillate that and he remained on his quote, unquote, dead state and we continued on with the cardiac arrest. >> and so just to be clear, i mean, when someone is in the state that you're describing, are you looking for any opportunity to administer a shock or provide additional treatment that you might be able to? >> yes. he's a human being and i was trying to give him a second

chance at life. >> but ultimately were you able to generate a pulse or any positive change from that shock that was administered? >> sorry. can you repeat that, please? >> did anything change after that shock? did anything get better with mr. floyd? >> no. >> ultimately, when you arrived at the hospital, what did you do at that point? >> when we got to the hospital i provided the report to the state room staff of the information i had and the treatments rendered. >> and what was mr. floyd's condition at the time you arrived at the hospital? >> he was still deceased. we were working a cardiac arrest. >> objection to that. >> grounds?

[ no audio ] >> good afternoon, everyone. i'm eamon moylehedin with the side bar. the ems first responder was testifying before the side bar. let's go back into the courtroom. >> yes, miss. >> at any point in time during your treatment and care of mr. floyd, were you ever able to resuscitate him successfully?

>> no. >> did he ever regain a pulse from the time that you arrived on scene to the time that you brought him to the hospital? >> no, miss. and did anything change in terms of your assessment of his condition and status? >> no. when i showed up, he was deceased and i dropped him up in the hospital and he was still in cardiac arrest. >> nothing further, your honor. mr. nelson? [ inaudible ] >> you may. ou may [music: “you're the best” by joe esposito]

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this is going to sound a little odd, but is it common to feel for a pulse with using your thumb? if i was feeling for a pulse on someone's arm would you use your arm or should you use fingers? >> generally fingers. >> is that because you have a pulse in your thumb? >> it's said to be, yeah. >> you testified that when you arrived on scene you checked for mr. floyd's pulse initially when you first came? >> yes, sir. >> at that time. the officer chauvin was -- his knee was still on the back of mr. floyd, right? >> what's the video show? he was still at the head of the patient. yes. i don't remember the exact location. >> of his knee was? >> correct. there was a lot going on.

>> i'm showing you what's been admitted as exhibit 56. you were able to feel where his carotid artery was while officer chauvin's knee was in that place? >> yes, sir. you testified that a police officer got in the back of the ambulance with you and began chest compressions at your direction? >> yes, sir. >> as you were preparing to engage in resuscitative efforts, right? >> we were reconfirming what she's gone over, correct? >> correct. >> yeah. >> so officer's in the back doing chest compressions. you are getting set up, correct? >> yes, sir.

>> went to the second location so that your partner can get back in the back with you to take over for the officer, right? >> not to take over -- we needed everybody we could at that time. >> okay. why didn't -- why didn't you just have the officer help you continue so you could go straight to the hospital? >> that's not what we do? >> is it because he's not an emt? >> any lay person can do chest compressions. there's no reason why minneapolis p.d. wouldn't do chest compressions. >> that's not my question. he's know an emt, right? >> i don't know the certification level of the person in the back of my rig. >> you wanted your partner. >> i wanted as many who could help me at that time to help me work this cord yack arrest. >> that's why fire came, correct? >> correct. >> that's why ultimately the officer was put out of the rig? >> correct. >> i have no further questions.

>> thank you, sir. you may step down. >> thank you. >> you bet. >> next witness. >> the state calls jeremy norton. >> stand right there. raise your hand. do you swear or affirm under penalty of perjury that the testimony you are about to give will be the truth and nothing

but the truth? >> i do. >> can you move that? you can have a seat, and before we begin, if you can pull the microphone up a little bit. it's not very flexible, but -- there we go. >> is that all right? >> all right. would you start off by stating your name and spelling each of your names. jeremy norton. j-e-r-e-m-y. n-o-r-t-o-n. >> can i take off my mask? >> appreciated. >> good afternoon, sir. >> good afternoon. >> where do you work? >> i work for minneapolis fire department. currently i'm assigned to fire station number 17. >> and what's your title? >> my title? >> yes. >> i am a captain. >> and how long have you been a captain with the minneapolis fire department? >> i promoted to captain in

2007. 2013 and -- correction, '14-'15 i promoted to captain in 2017. how long have you been with the fire department in total? >> since 2000, so 21 years. >> have you served in a variety of positions over that period of time? >> i was a firefighter from 2000 until 2007, captain from 2007 until 2014. battalion chief from 2016 to the present. >> and what's your educational background? what did you do in terms of training to become a firefighter in the first instance? >> when i started i applied in 1998. the department was -- the department provided all of our

training. emt basic, hazmat and then firefighter 1 and 2. >> so maybe you can just describe a little bit what those things are. >> that was 21 years ago. >> when you say emt, basic, one and two, what does that mean? >> we are giving training to the emt basic level and now to apply one, you have to be an emt and that required classroom training as well as hands-on training and then passing the national registry emt test and then becoming a licensed emt, we have continued the education to maintain our certification, and that is every two years we have to re-certify both for the state of minnesota and then with the option to maintain a national certification level. the fire fighting was course work designed and delivered by the fire department and that included the hazmat training.

>> okay. hazmat training sounds interesting, but is it just some specialty of the trainings that you go through? >> it is -- yes. it is a subsection essentially. i'll circle back to the emt part of it. >> yes, ma'am. >> are you -- is it a licensure, or a certified emt for your job as a firefighter? >> i believe it is aer is the if i kagdz. >> so are you currently certified as an emt? >> yes, ma'am. it's one of the conditions of employment. >> all right. and are you up-to-date on all of those certification requirements? >> yes, ma'am, to my knowledge. >> and again, based on what you were describing for training for firefighters is that part of the sort of standard training that all firefighters get, meaning are they all emts in minneapolis? >> in minneapolis, yes, ma'am. >> okay. so i'm going to get back to your

day to days as a captain with the minneapolis fire department. what are your job duties? >> to which level? simply put, i'm in charge of maintaining the care and treatment and training of my crew, our equipment and our station which is a broad -- which is broad, but within that i am in charge of ensuring that we uphold city rules, regulations, have appropriate interactions with the public, work well with other agencies, maintain our training. i'm in charge of all documentation and records and that on all of our calls i'm in charge of the overall safety and well-being of our crew and ensuring that we act appropriately. >> so fair to say you're in a leadership position. >> that would be affirmative. >> and do you still, despite

being a supervisor or in leadership, do you still respond to calls, as well? >> yes, ma'am. as a crew we work together. >> and that's still part of your day to day, responding to calls? >> yes. >> what portion of your work as a minneapolis fire department employee is medical in nature? do you respond to a lot of medical calls? does fire respond to a lot of medical calls? >> the number that i've seen for the department and for nationally would be about 80% of our work is medical in nature. >> so any of us who assume that firefighters just fight fires, is that not the case? >> no. you've been watching the wrong shows. >> you said 80% medical. >> what is what statistics show, yes, ma'am. so the vast majority of your job is responding to medical calls as opposed to fighting fires? >> that is correct.

>> what type of medical calls do you respond to? can you give examples of the types of things you do? >> certainly. the simplest would be anything from birth through post-death that anyone calls 911 about. we will respond with either in convert with or ahead of or to support the paramedics. >> so is it common for you to work with them in your job? >> absolutely. >> why is that? >> why we work with them? >> why is there this -- what's the need to work together? >> the paramedics are higher trained. they have higher level standard of care and more skills that they possess. their schooling is longer and, but the idea would be an emergency medical response that if something is a life or death issue having an emt arrive with equipment and aed, oxygen mask

or any of the other tools we can provide care for someone who is in critical care -- critical condition until the paramedics arrive and then they can take over to a higher level and we support them. >> and i think you just used the term aed, can you just describe what that is? >> that is what would be called a heart starter, the automatic -- i'm going to botch the letters right now. i'll just say it's the heart starter, it is what is used when someone is in cardiac arrest. >> are you, as an employee of the fire department do you carry that type of equipment or are you able to assist with that type of thing? >> yes, ma'am. both. we do carry it on our rigs and that's part of standard compliment and i can use any one i find in this building. >> i will direct your attention to may 25th of last year. >> yes, ma'am. >> were you on duty as a captain with the minneapolis fire department on that date? >> i was. >> and did you respond to a call

that evening? >> could you say that again? >> did you respond to a call that eaching? >> we responded to several. yes, ma'am. >> and specifically with respect to the area -- well, of the area of cup foods, was there a call that you initially responded to that location for? >> yes, ma'am. >> so maybe you could, if you could, please just describe what was the nature of the call that you were nationally responding to? >> we were dispatched initially code 2 which say non-emergency response at, i believe, 8:30 p.m., give or take a couple of seconds, and we were given very little information. i believe it said assist paramedics perhaps, but just said engine 17, code 2 either 38th and chicago or 3759 chicago cup foods, and so -- do you want

me to explain more? >> so let me just stop you right there and i'll just ask a follow-up question. how did that information come to you? in other words, how did that call initially come into your fire department, your station? >> the majority of calls will come in through central dispatch. so the -- they control how the station will open up meaning the radio and lights will come on and then they're signifying tones that indicate the general nature of the call and then on top of that, the dispatch will provide whatever information they have to -- as to the nature of the call. >> so with respect to the evening of may 25th, you said around 8:30, what -- were you in the station at that time? >> yes, ma'am. we were inside. >> and did you hear some particular tone that alerted you to this code 2? >> yes. that's the standard that state the lights come on. the speakers click on with an audible click and then there's a

two short tones, kind of a staccato followed by the dispatch telling us where we are going. >> and that was the system? yes, ma'am. >> and that was the code 2 and the location to where you were going. >> yes, ma'am. >> did you proceed to that location? >> we did. >> did you get any other information about the call either en route or at some other time? >> yes, ma'am. >> go ahead. what was that? >> shortly -- shortly after leaving the station dispatch came over the radio. at this point it's our rig radio and stated engine 17, code 3 which is red lights and sirens and emergency response. >> so when you heard code 3, does that mean the call was elevated at that point? meaning more -- code 3 is more serious than code 2?

>> affirmative. >> did you have any other information about that or the reason for that? >> i believe the -- the only information that we had on our screen initially was code 2 for one with mouth injury, i believe. >> okay. >> and then it was updated. >> when you say updated it was then a code 3? >> affirmative. without supplemental information as to why. >> no, ma'am, i don't believe so. >> ultimately, did you respond to the area of cup foods on 30th and chicago? >> yes. >> and what did you do when you arrived there? >> the rig stopped. my partner and i got off the rig and we looked around for our patient. >> and when you got there what did you see?

>> there were several police squads. one parked police, i believe, and two -- two or three minneapolis police cars that i remember parked in the vicinity in the area. a couple of officers were standing on the street and a couple of people -- a handful of people were outside. >> was there an ambulance there at the time that you were there? >> no, ma'am. >> and were you able to identify a patient upon arrival? >> no, ma'am, was there no one on the street. >> so what did you do next? >> we -- i basically went clockwise around our rig and i spoke briefly with one police officer and then we went into -- into the store. >> and did you come into contact with anybody in the store? >> yes, ma'am. >> and what was the nature of

that? what happened in the store? >> could you be more specific, please? >> sure. upon entering the store did you have any -- did you interact with anybody who was in the area who had been in the area? >> yes, ma'am. we spoke, as i said, i spoke to one police officer. i sdepded the rig and came around through a crowd of maybe six or seven people who were at the mouth of the store and in the vestibule or entryway and then i went into the store still looking for a patient. >> okay. so you went into the store looking for a patient. did you have any interaction with anybody and you said there were a number of people, six or seven people and did you have any interaction with people? >> did i speak to any? i don't know what you mean by interaction. >> yes. >> as i was walking through i heard what people were saying and then -- but i was pretty much looking for a patient.

i -- i might have spoken to someone who was working there briefly, and while i was looking around for a patient essentially on the ground i did encounter an off-duty firefighter and then i briefly spoke with one of the police officers who was at the back of the store. >> okay. so let's just talk about those two things. you spoke with an off-duty firefighter and also a law enforcement officer who was present, is that right? >> yes, ma'am. >> let's first start with your objective. you said you were looking on the floor for a patient? was it your primary goal to find a patient? >> yes, ma'am. >> and when you were not able to see one easily and entered into the store what did you do at that point? was that when you talked to the law enforcement officer? >> i made my way back toward the

back of the store looking for a patient or -- the call was confusing because we did not have a lot of information so i did not have a patient description. i did not have anything else, and so i was essentially just looking on the floor for someone and at that point, though, the crowd through which i walked was -- people were upset and i was getting the sense from them that there was -- there was an injured person and that's why i was looking for someone on the ground. >> did you find an injured person on the ground? >> no, ma'am. >> what did you do next? >> as i was -- my partner mostly stayed and spoke with the off-duty firefighter who was agitated to distraught. somewhere between there. she was fairly upset, and i --

my job as supervisor is to cut through the extraneous and i moved to the back and i did see the police officer in the back of the store which would have been the southeast corner of the building in talking to one of the employees behind the barricade and then i approached him. >> and then were you directed to another location? >> right as i was asking him what was going on, he said -- i believe he said the medics left. they need you and right about simultaneously over his radio and over ours because we have separate dispatchers we both had the information that the paramedics needed us at a different location. >> okay. and then you also mentioned an off-duty firefighter. do you know who that off-duty firefighter was? >> do i know who she is now?

>> yes, ma'am. genevieve hansen. >> at the time did you have limited interaction with her? >> i'm sorry. prior to that day? >> when you arrived on scene did you immediately recognize her as someone that you knew? >> no, ma'am. i think i walked right past her and then she popped up to my left once we were inside the store. >> okay. and then after the fact do you now know an individual that you worked with -- >> prior to that i did a double take and i clocked that i knew her and then we spoke. >> and what information did you have at that point in terms of what was happening and what was going? >> the police officer said that the medics had left and they needed us, code 3, dispatch said the same thing and then from the off-duty firefighter and from the crowd i was hearing and inferring that there was an injured man who had been sustained injuries in the

scuffle with the police or in a situation with the police. >> okay. i'm going to put up on the screen what's already been admitted as exhibit 68, please? here we go. all right. so you described your arrival. can you just describe what's shown in exhibit 68, please? >> yes, ma'am. that is our fire truck, engine 17. that is me stepping out from the captain's side. we are facing eastbound on 38th street and cup foods is behind us and there is from my forward and right on this photo to the left and i believe that was the police officer who i spoke to whose body camera, so i was about to make contact with him. >> so does this show you know your initial arrival at the

scene? >> yes, ma'am. >> if we can move to exhibit 69, please? >> did someone come off -- exhibit 69 is now on the screen. if you can just describe who was pictured in this photo? >> that is me to the right of the screen and that is firefighter jennifer hall to the left coming around from her side of the rig. she was a rookie who started with us at the end of march. >> and so were you both responding together essentially? >> yes, ma'am. she was my partner. >> okay. can we move exhibit 70, please? you described walking into the store and seeing some other individuals. can you describe what's shown in exhibit 70, please? >> yes, ma'am. it looks like a police squad. ahead to my left, north on the street i believe that might be a parked police squad to my left. four people outside.

one of whom is off-duty firefighter hansen. i did not recognize her walking through. >> do you recognize her now? >> affirmative. >> you can use it as a stylus with your finger, but if you can indicate where she is on this photo. >> you made a green mark above indicating where genevieve hansen is, and can you indicate where you are on this photo, as well? >> all right. there is an arrow showing where you made that mark and can you identify jennifer hall, as well? did you know any of the other individuals in this -- >> in this photo, no, ma'am. >> if we can move to exhibit 71, please. i'm sorry. 72, please. all right. so did you ultimately enter the store and have the brief interaction as you described with the law enforcement officer in there. >> yes, ma'am. >> and does exhibit 72 show

that? i should be more clear. when does exhibit 72 show? >> i believe it would be the body camera of the officer with whom i was speaking. >> and who is pictured in this image? >> i'm in the center and firefighter hall is to the right. >> and was this inside cup foods? >> yes, ma'am. towards the back of the store. >> all right. and as you described when you learned that there was no patient there, we'll go back to exhibit 71, please. now i've got exhibit 71 on the screen. did you then exit the store? >> yes, ma'am. >> and can you just describe -- is that what you were doing in exhibit 71 here? >> yes, ma'am. >> all right. so once you had the additional information. we can take that down, thank you. what did you do next and where did you go?

>> we were directed to meet the medics at 36th and park avenue south. we got back on our fire truck and we responded to 36 and park. >> and what did you see when you got there? >> the hennepin county medical center ambulance was parked on the east side of the street just south of 36th. >> and i'm going to put up exhibit 74 which has already been admitted. ultimately, can you just describe what point of view this is showing in exhibit 74? >> yes, ma'am. that is not me, but this would be the view from my seat. >> and so in the foreground, is that the fire truck that you were in? >> i'm sorry. yes. this photo was taken from the front seat of the fire truck

facing the ambulance. >> and is that where your fire rig parked once you arrived at that location to meet up with the ambulance? >> yes, ma'am. what did you do once you arrived at that location? >> again, my partner, firefighter hall and i got out of the fire track and we went into the ambulance entering from the side door. >> and what did you observe at that point in time? >> two paramedics and one police officer and a patient on the stretcher. >> what appeared to be the condition of the patient that you observed? >> he was -- he was face up on the stretcher. he had an airway in, an advanced airway. so he had a breathing tube going

into his throat and he had the lucas compression device which is a cpr, kind of a pneumatic cpr device in place and working. >> and when you say working, what does that mean? >> it was pumping up and down to pump his chest, pump his heart. >> okay. and first of all, this patient was he later identified by name? >> yes, ma'am. it was george floyd. >> so you said that he had an airway in place and the lucas machine was pumping. what did you observe about his overall condition? >> i mean, other than that, he was unresponsive. >> right. maybe not other than that, but what do you mean by unresponsive. what did you see? >> a person who is not -- basically who is -- i'm sorry.

that's a confusing question. i'm sorry. >> it's not a good question. i apologize. >> he was an unresponsive body on a cot. the airway was in place so that we could breathe for him or so that the responders or people could breathe for him and the lucas device was compressing his heart to get blood going through his body. >> and when you say breathe for him, what does that mean? >> i was not clear about that. an airway device goes in through the throat and basically gets better access into the lungs for some sort of airway and oxygen delivery device. in our case it is a bag mask, a bvm which is like a nerf football-sized compressable bag that we squeeze every six seconds to breathe air into their lungs and it's oxygenated air. >> when you say "breathe for him," does that imply the bvm

and actually squeezing it? ? yes, ma'am. i'm sorry. the absense of those action the patient would have been pulseless and unresponsive, not breathing and for all intents and purposes dead. >> okay. and were you aware of the status with respect to any pulse -- was the patient pulseless when you arrived? >> we did not check a pulse until we took over -- excuse me, they were working. we joined them. as part of their protocols, we did pulse checks multiple times from when we arrived until we arrived at hcmc? >> did anyone ever find a pulse? >> no, ma'am. >> getting back to when you first got on the ambulance, you said you saw two paramedics. was there a law enforcement officer who was also in the back of the ambulance? >> yes, ma'am. >> and when you arrived did you essentially switch places? did he exit the ambulance? >> yes, ma'am.

he was on eye believe on the bench seat. i cleared him out and took the seat at the head and took over ventilations for the patient. >> and when you say ventilations are you talking about that bvm? >> yes, ma'am. so were you squeezeding it for -- >> yes, ma'am. >> -- for the process to work? >> yes, ma'am. >> okay. after the officer left the ambulance and you were working on squeezing the bvm, what -- what happened next? did you go -- did you proceed to the hospital with the paramedics? >> i'm sorry. those are two questions. >> okay. let's start with the first one. maybe i can rephrase it better. what did you do after you took over the squeezing of the bvm? >> i, myself, continued that until we were cleared at the state room at the hennepin county emergency. >> okay. so did you continue to do that, perform that act all of the way until you got to the hospital? >> yes, ma'am.

>> and what did you do once you arrived at the hospital with the patient, mr. floyd? >> we continued from the ambulance into the state room which is their critical care room. i believe there were two other cases and the patients are there, and the room is hectic and they were still assembling staff so i could continue on the as head breathing for him for a short amount of time until the team took over and cleared us. >> and once you were cleared and what does that mean, "cleared." >> well, it's a hospital. they have a lot of people who can do our job and they basically kick us out so they can take over the more comprehensive care. >> what did you do at that point once you were cleared? >> how do you mean? >> did you ultimately need a ride? >> we left the -- we left the hospital and often times when we

accompany the medics down to the hospital in critical patient cases our fire truck is not allowed to drive through lights just to follow us. we'll be okay with the medics and so they will -- they will respond and depending how far away it is we can stand out on the street for several minutes and additionally, i had radioed to my driver to go back to the scene at 38th and chicago and check on the off-duty firefighter? >> why did you do that? why did you have other members of the team check on the off-duty firefighter? >> ma'am, once -- as i said, we came in with very little information and even when i spoke with her on the scene i had no understanding of a cause of her distress. so once we got in the ambulance and i saw the severity of mr. floyd's condition and the gravity i was able to infer or put together what she had been talking about, and i -- and i

understood the justification for duress and so i sent my crew to go check on her to make sure she was okay. >> so once you put those pieces together and understood mr. floyd's condition, were there additional actions that you took after leaving the hospital? >> yes, ma'am. once the -- the fire truck came to pick us up we kind of had a brief -- kind of a debrief in the rig because my partner and i had a very different experience from my driver and the other firefighter because especially during covid, we are either going in one at a time or because i had a rookie i was trying to give her experience, so my senior firefighter and driver remained on the rig for most calls from the end of march through mid-summer. in this case while my partner jennifer hall and i entered the

rig and encountered someone who was not responsive and assisted that way, the fire -- excuse me, the police officer -- >> ask another question. >> i'm sorry. >> let's just back up for one second. you said that you and your partner jennifer hall. >> yes. >> were working together and you got on the ambulance. what were the other members of your crew doing and who were they? >> yes, ma'am. i apologize for that. stephen rudak is a rank firefighter and tracy trubell is my driver, fire motor operator. >> so were all four of you together on may 25th of last year? >> yes. >> i'm sorry. finish the question so she can take it all down. you were all together responding to this call, is that right? >> yes. >> and who was it that you sent to go talk to the off-duty

firefighter genevieve hansen? >> i had fmotrubell and firefighter rudak take the rig back to the scene. >> when you say the scene, is that cup foods? >> yes, ma'am. >> where were you while that was going on? >> we were in the ambulance at 36th and park and then we were en route to the hospital and then they met us at the hospital. >> and when you say they ultimately did tracy trubell and stephen rudak from your team meet you at the hospital? >> yes, ma'am. >> and then you said that the four of you had a debrief, is that right? >> briefly, yes. >> what did you do after that? >> i'm going to object. >> side bar, please.

ultimately report this incident, what you saw and what you observed internally to the fire department? >> yes, ma'am. >> and why was that? >> twofold. i was aware that a man had been

killed in police custody. i wanted to notify my supervisors and the appropriate people above us in the city in the fire department and whomever else and i also wanted to inform a deputy that there was an off-duty firefighter who was a witness at the scene. >> nothing further, your honor. >> mr. nelson? >> good afternoon, captain norton. >> good afternoon. >> thank you for being here. i just want to clarify a couple of things on the timeframe. >> yes, sir. >> i'm going to show you what's already been admitted as exhibit 151. are you familiar with the computer-aided dispatch or detailed incident reports? >> yes, sir. >> this is exhibit 151 as a computer-aided dispatch report from this incident.

this initial call for ems code 2 occurred at 8:20:11 according to this, agreed? >> that's what it says. >> and that was upgraded, this incident was upgraded at 8:28, correct, to code 3? >> well, sir, it says something different above. >> so multi-agent -- multi-agency police? are you talking about that? >> no, sir. >> pardon? >> no, sir. >> so you've got 3:30 ems code 3 at 8:21:35. >> yes, sir. >> and then you have some info for ems at 8:27:21? >> that is correct. >> and that is that they have -- that someone had a male restrained on the ground, correct? >> yes. pdf male restrained. >> fire ef-12 which is the

emergency ambulance added fire at 8:28, agreed? >> that's what it says. >> ems alerted everyone that they were at 36th and park at 8:31:12? >> yes, sir. that's what it says. >> then there's this metcom call at 8:33 where ems is asking for a fire department for patient condition, right? >> yes, sir. at -- down here at 8:35:13 it says minneapolis fire department to en route to park and 36th? >> that's correct. >> and you were two minutes out at 8:36:07. >> that's what i reported. yes. >> and so you arrived at about

8:38, correct? ? i'm not sure what time we arrived. >> thereabouts. within about two minutes of your call? >> i believe it was 8:37, but yes. >> okay. so the original call for ems, code 2 was 17 minutes prior to when you got to the ambulance. >> could you clarify, please? >> the original call ems code 2 for mouth injury at 8:20. >> that is not for us. >> understood. >> but it's 17 minutes after the original call went out. correct? >> that looks appropriate. yes. >> you were called or fire, i should say, was called at 8:28:36. >> that was someone's radio transmission. yes, sir. >> and the fire incident was created seven seconds later at 8:28:43. so fire was notified at 8:28:43.

>> our dispatch was, yes. >> and what time did you arrive, based on your recollection at cup foods? >> our station opened up at 20:30. we arrived at 20:32 and change. >> okay. so again, 12 minutes after the original call for service? >> yes. >> all right. and when you arrived paramedics had already removed mr. floyd from the scene and gone to 36th and park which is why you didn't find him at cup foods? >> yes, sir. >> i have no further questions. >> captain norton -- >> good afternoon, everyone. you have been watching captain jeremy norton of the minneapolis fire department testifying in the trial of derek chauvin in

the murder of george floyd. we are going keep a close eye on the courtroom and all that unfolds there in the next couple of minutes, but i want to bring you updates as they happen and we want to take a few minutes to analyze some of what we've been watching today. joining me now ari melber, msnbc chief legal correspondent and host of "the beat," also with us is jonathan kaypart host of "the sunday show" and opinion writer at "the washington post." gentlemen, good to have you with us and we'll keep an eye on this. ari, let's talk about what we've seen play out. today's focus has been interestingly enough on the health of the victim in this trial, george floyd. what do you make of today's proceedings so far? >> some of this, as viewers could hear, is very straightforward and it's laying the foundation of both what happened to him, its effect upon him medically and how he was processed and you can hear the most recent witness being quite technical and formulaic saying

exactly what was shown by the paper record or you're asking me two questions, which one am i supposed to answer? it can even seem a little ordinary or tedious at times, but it's an important part of the trial because again, we have seen the prosecution continue to make its case voluminous evidence of witnesses what they argue when you drain out the jargon, this victim was mistreated on site, not given the help that anyone would need even after that mistreatment. that's why they're charging it as a murder. and then from there you saw what happened to him as then a person who had been killed. so in that sense it's important parts of it seem technical. >> one of the points that stood out to me and correct me if i'm wrong is the prosecution trying to establish according to the ems on the scene those emergency medical technician is that when they arrived they did not detect a pulse and that established a

timeline because he was alive seen the video and when they arrived at the scene according to them they did not detect a pulse and therefore dead at the scene. >> exactly. and so, this is the difference between watching a video which people, citizens, even the jurors some may or may not have seen where you have a view because there's a killing on video. that's different as the process in court establishing the piece of this. so as i mentioned, one, it is, yes, just those raw facts. two, it is establishing through a series of witnesses, today and yesterday, those that might have rendered aid, to help what had become according to prosecutors a crime, a crime scene, what they're charging as a murder, were also essentially rebuffed or not allowed to do so. i think that goes to again the theme of all of this which is prosecutors will -- wait, we'll hear what the defense says but the prosecutors are showing to

this jury this was not one thing or a misstep the way we can hear people defend sometimes a mistake. they argue this was a crime from gunning to end and indeed his life was not valued even when he might have gotten aid. >> yeah. i'll come back to you in a moment to ask you about the questioning involving the drug use and why that's important legally speaking. i have been told that they had taken a 20-minute break so we have more time to analyze what we saw. jonathan, as we have seen throughout the course of this trial, there is foundational witnesses and then witnesses that are really pulling on the emotion and humanizing george floyd. today we one of those witnesses, mr. floyd's girlfriend and heard about their struggles with addiction and opioids. what did you make of calling her to the stand and having her talk

openly about these challenges? >> so courtney ross was the first person we heard from in this trial who actually knew and had a relationship with george floyd. we have been talking for days now about just the powerful testimony given by witnesses who were there on the scene. arguing for help for george floyd at a distance. here today -- we are all talking about how moved we have been by these people reliving the trauma, the guilt that they have been feeling. today we heard from someone who actually knew george floyd. and not just knew george floyd. loved george floyd. and probably still does. watching her testimony today you could tell she loved him, misses him and just talking about the stuff that they like to do together, how he exercised all the time, loved to eat. how he would play basketball with folks in the neighborhood.

and also, talking about his and their shared struggle with drug addiction. it humanized him, her. but it also i think resonates with the larger american public. we have been talking for years now about the opioid crisis and laying waste to lives around the country and someone on the stand today in a murder trial, the trial of the police officer who killed her boyfriend talking about their lives openly and i see what the prosecution is doing just looking at the people who have been testifying, folks removed and today hearing from people who actually had some kind of closeness either emotional bond or physical bond. the emts. derrick smith with the no nonsense testimony about looking

for the -- i think the carotid pulse and talking about how -- trying to revive george floyd. the prosecution to my mind is trying to paint a picture and draw not just the jurors but those of us who are watching drawing us in, getting us closer to what it was like to be in that moment whether it is watching the videos of george floyd, watching the testimony, listening to the testimony of the people who were there or listening to courtney ross his ex-girlfriend. >> hey, ari. this sunday is the anniversary of the assassination of martin luther king jr. and casts a shadow on this country and where we are and how much longer we have to go. you had a conversation with three generations of civil rights activists. what was that discussion like? and talk to us about the intersection of that

conversation with the trial of derek chauvin that we see unfold this week. >> appreciate you bringing it up. we are doing this tonight on "the beat." several generations of civil rights leaders, including re rend sharpton against the anniversary of the assassination, what he was fighting for then and this police trial which is sufficient a rarity in the past 15 years, only been three convictions of officers for murder and one of the key requests or demands of the black lives matter movement so tonight we get into that and looking at what both what does this trial mean on an individual basis? this is a court trying to adjudicate justice in a single case for what prosecutors charge as a murder of mr. floyd. and then more widely, what are the structural reforms that we think we need as a society? how do we want to deal with that? specifically i'll preview we

talk about the big economic issues today. >> definitely don't want to miss that. ari, jonathan, thanks to the both of you for breaking some of these key moments of the trial. be sure to tune in tonight to "the beat." that's right here on msnbc. and make sure to catch jonathan's show sunday mornings. "deadline white house" starts after this quick break. tting clearer. ♪ ♪ i feel free to bare my skin yeah, that's all me. ♪ ♪ nothing and me go hand in hand nothing on my skin, ♪ ♪ that's my new plan. ♪ ♪ nothing is everything. ♪ achieve clearer skin with skyrizi. 3 out of 4 people achieved 90% clearer skin at 4 months. of those, nearly 9 out of 10 sustained it through 1 year. and skyrizi is 4 doses a year, after 2 starter doses. ♪ i see nothing in a different way it's my moment ♪ ♪ so i just gotta say... ♪ ♪ nothing is everything. ♪

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hi, everyone. it is 4:00 in the new york. with're continuing the monitor the murder trial of derek chauvin and bring you updates and dramatic moments that unfold in the courtroom when they happen but we begin with the reckoning over voting rights intensifying across the country and now inching into the world of sports. president biden making baseball's 2021 opening day about a whole lot more than a return for america's pasttime.