new colliders desserts. find them near the refrigerated pudding. any minute prosecutors are set to call their next witness in the murder trial of derek chauvin as the strategy starts to shift from raw emotion to expert testimony. paramedics and for the first time chauvin's own boss at the time of death. they say officers should have stopped restraining floyd sooner. >> when mr. floyd was no longer

offering up any resistance, the officers could have ended their restraint. >> prosecutors plan to close out week one in this historic trial. plus breaking news this week with the big job's report blowing past expectations. what it means for where the economy is going now. we're live at the white house. i'm hallie jackson in washington along with shah shaquille brew brewster. we're seeing a shift in tone in this case. >> the prosecution continues not to lay out their schedule of witnesses. when the specific witnesses will be called. but you mentioned that shift in the prosecution. earlier this week it was focused on the witnesses. the bystander there is pleading

with the officer to get his knee off of george floyd's neck saying he was not breathing or responding. then we saw a shift to the actual first responders. the first paramedics that arrived on the scene. they said when they pulled up he was still being restrained. they got up to check to check his pulse while the knee was still on his neck. they say his condition did not change from the position when they rolled him over on to the stretcher and loaded him on to the ambulance to the point where he arrived at the hospital and was later officially pronounced dead. we also heard from derek chauvin's direct supervisor. he said the force should have been reduced at the point when george floyd was no longer

resisting. as he was handcuffed and not moving on the ground. we're moving into a closer examination. the prosecution teased a little bit who they plan to bring. we know the police chief will be coming at a certain point as we move into more law enforcement, more first responders. it is safe to presume that we will hear from the police chief in the near future. there will also be prosecutors, and the key witness of that medical examiner that can speak todd cause of death nap is someone that we're looking ahead to seeing. we don't know the timing of when we will hear from that, hallie. >> thank you, we're talking about two big witnesses coming up at some point. the police chief and the medical examiner.

you know dr. andrew baker pretty well. what is your expectation for what you expect to hear from him and how the prosecution should handle that. >> yeah, he does a very good job of speaking plain english. i would expect him to walk through every step of what he did. there was information coming out at was leading people to believe. >> we know that today is going to be a fairly good day.

the jurors will have a weekend. 48 hours, to reflect on what they heard. is there a strategy where they might want to end the day, what might they want to be thinking about as they come in on monday morning? >> it's hard to tell who they may call today. where we ended up yesterday is that george floyd was at the hospital, we heard he was pronounced dead, but we have not heard a medical professional saying that. the prosecution actually had a very good week this week. they started on an emotional high if you want to put it that way by calling the bystander witnesses. that was extremely effective. and then the last witness yesterday was the actual supervisor. there was a big contest about whether or not he would be able to give his opinion about the use of force here. the lawyers went back and forth on that and then the judge

decided that he could not give his opinion. i think that was very powerful because this sergeant was in charge of the use of force. he saw the body cams and he did say there was too much force and that the force should have stopped. he also told us that he had a conversation, a couple of conversations, with derek chauvin that did not disclose the force he used until they were at the hospital and the hospital told tham george floyd was pronounced dead. so i think they had a great week. it is hard to tell who they will call today. they're going to have a long weekend to think about all of the witnesses they heard. many of whom talked about the trauma and their guilt for not being able to do more to help george floyd. >> i'm going to ask you to stay with us because we expect testimony to resume in the next ten minutes or so. please stand by but we also want

to get in breaking news is out this morning. the economy hitting the gas on creating jobs. the new report out in the last 90 minutes or so. 916,000. that's how many jobs were added last month. the other number is 6%. that is where the unemployment stands now. so let's get into it with jolene kent. jo, let me start with you. put into context what these numbers mean. perhaps this is the start of what could be an economic boom to come? yes, hallie, one economist saying there is light at the end of this very dark tunnel. the economy has gone through so much. 60% unemployment is a far cry from the nearly 15% we saw at

the height of the pandemic. the numbers did blow past expectations and leading the way was leisure and hospitality. we're talking about 280,000 jobs. restaurants and bars bouncing back at 176,000 jobs added on that front. certainly good news data that shows that vaccinations and returning to work are all happening right now. we want to point out that we're i still missing in leisure and hospitality alone, that we're adding jobs back here. if you look at the recovery, it is pretty uneventually. it is 5.4%, below the national average. if you look at black unemployment it's nearly double

that. it's 9.6%. so it depends on where you live, where you work, overall the numbers are very positive. 6% unemployment may seem good today, it is great to see that number, but predetermineicprede pre-pandemic we're doing much better. and you may end up seeing more jobs reports looking a lot like this one or better, hallie. >> really important context for us there. what is the messaging going to be around this when we hear from president biden in a little bit. >> i think what you're going to hear from president biden is not

only touting these figures, but trying to use them to make the argument that his go big approach is the right one. this is coming on the heels of the president, democrats passing that $1.9 trillion covid relief package that included billions of dollars for the vaccine rollout. but also those $1400 direct payments. so i would anticipate that we're going to hear him talk about that. i also think that we're going to hear him make the case for a new big bill that he is pushing for. this infrastructure bill. more than $2 trillion, he says he will pay for it by increases taxes. that is really controversial. some republicans are going to look and say look it's just the opposite. the economy is recovering so we don't need to increase taxes on wealthy americans and large corporations and we don't need to continue to add to the deficit. i think you'll see both sides try to capitalize on the new

figures, hallie. >> thank you both of you. from the job numbers now to numbers that are new numbers. the biggest increases are happening in the upper mississippi west and in the northeast with michigan at the top of the list. cases there are up more than 125%. hospitalizations are up 50%. some 900 people are dieing every day. the pandemic kills 550,000 americans since it started. the u.s. is on the brink of another milestone, too. 100 million americans receiving their first vaccine dose. that includes more than 75% of seniors. i want to bring in lindsey riser. a 40% increase in younger people getting into the hospital now? >> yeah, that is a disturbing

trend that we're seeing across the country and we did not need a reminder of the human toll that covid-19 has had. here it is none the less. a memorial here, each white flag representing a life lost in this state. they're seeing a spike in cases among younger people particularly people right now between the ages of 35 and 44. a 30% jump in cases. and of course these new variants are spreading. earlier we spoke to senaor bloomendahl here. i want to talk about the cases in new jersey. moderate projections show that we'll have a spike from spring break travel. worse case scenario we won't flat line until may. michigan leading the state right now according to the cdc. hospitalizations up 55% week to

week. so back here in connecticut i asked senator richard blumenthal about the spike that we're seeing and he said now is no time to let our guard up. let's listen. >> we need to be reminded that these losses are continuing. the loss and recent pain of the last year, the hardship and heartbreak is a remind near we can each do more. >> the senator says he is pleased with the vaccine rollout in his state but he is asking for more supply. states are still struggling with that. >> thank you any minute now we expect day five of witness testimony in the trial of derek chauvin. we'll take you live after a quick break. chauvin. we'll take you live after a quick break. could be in for a tasty discount. [ clicks pen] let's roll. hey, check it out. one time i tripped on the sidewalk over here. [ heavy-metal music playing ] -[ snoring ] -and a high of 89 degrees. [ electronic music playing ]

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we're back and live in minneapolis. we're expecting the murder trial

of derek chauvin to pick back up now. all eyes on who prosecutors will call up to the stand, next. i want to bring in mary moriarti. the executive director for the san francisco director of police accountability. thank you and good morning to you both. as we look ahead to upcoming witnesses, you made an interesting argument, the testimony that we saw in the last 24 hours put more pressure on chauvin himself to take the stand, why? >> we're seeing more and more from chauvin that's not getting explained. we see him with a infamous smirk. we see him with hands in his pockets, not appearing that he is in danger or concerned about an unruly crowd. now we're hearing him as characterizing george floyd as

going crazy and resisting. i think he needs to explain that. it would be a really risky move for defense to have to put him on the stand, but very smart to plant the seeds and interpret what he was doing at that time as that location and being interpreted by the witnesses that we have seen so far and they have been very powerful and they're planting the seeds not just for chauvin but also for the other officers waiting in the wings would trial don't begin until august. >> it was not recommended that he would take the stand, that's just something they do not suggest doing. is it your view that what we have seen so far overrides that initial instinct not to call him up? >> i don't think so. i think it just puts more pressure on him and paints him in a very bad light and certainly the defense attorney

that is representing him is feeling like oh, i have to figure out a way to explain and interpret what is up there. keep in mind the defense attorney can't give the testimony. he can interpret it, but short of putting his client on that stand and i can't -- i think that would be a really bad move for him. there is so much that would come out in terms of his background and priors, and so much that he would be confronted with all along the way from the community, from the professionals, from the first responders, from his old boss and supervisor that would just overtake his testimony, but that pressure is being created none the less by this prosecution in a very skillful way. if you notice even the photo they introduced into evidence that is going into the juror with those jurors is the photo with the phone showing that chauvin is calling and had a conversation with his

supervisor, but still didn't react in a way that we would have expected him to by listening to his superiors or telling them the truth of what was going on or the crowd or anyone else telling him what they were seeing at that time while george floyd was being killed on the street. >> mary, let's talk about that testimony from the then supervisor. how do you count near testimony that chauvin used in the supervisor's opinion, force for too long. >> that is very difficult. i think the strongest part of the case here is the cauization issue on death. they may not be about to argue that the force wasn't prolonged, extent that it is consistent with their theory that george floyd died of an accidental

overdose. i expect to see more evidence that the restraint, and actually the paramedic testimony from yesterday was really powerful for prosecution because both par medices explain george floyd as dead when they got there. the use of force issue, not the best one any more. >> mary and paul, thank you both so much. the trial has now restarted. the next witness for the prosecution is on the stand, we'll take you there live to minneapolis.

>> please raise your right hand. do you swear or affirm under the penalty of perjury that the testimony you're about to give will be the truth and nothing but the truth? >> yes, sir. >> if you would not mind we have been having witnesses remove your mask. if you're comfortable with that we prefer that. >> absolutely. >> and if you could pull up a little to the microphone and start by stating your full name spelling each of your names. i'm john curtis edwards.

>> good morning, sir. >> good morning. >> would you please tell the jury your occupation. >> minneapolis police sergeant. >> how long have you held that position? >> 2007, so approximately 14 years. >> not as a var gent, but a police officer for 14 years? >> yes, sir. >> you started as a police officer in 2007, did you start with the minneapolis police department. >> i started as a cadet in the cadet program. >> that was your first job in law enforcement? >> yes, sir. >> you started as a cadet, can you describe that experience, if you would? >> the program is a curriculum designed for those that have graduated college from an accredited college to undergo more criminal justice and law

classes as well as partake in skills, as well as various scenario based simulations pertaining to law enforcement. it's a curriculum designed with the end goal of becomes post certified by the post board. >> and the post is the police officers standards and training board, is that correct? >> correct. >> and that's how you get your license to be a police officer in the state of minnesota, correct? >> correct. after obtaining that you can be a licensed peace officer in the state of minnesota. >> and you occasionally take -- >> oh, yes. >> all right, do you occasionally take continuing education credits to keep your license current? >> correct. >> do you do that as part of in-service training?

>> correct. >> so after you graduated from the academy and became post certified, what was your job duties? >> after graduating the academy, you are a new officer on fto. >> what do you mean by fto? >> every new officer is assigned an fto, a field training officer. that is usually a veteran officer that for four to five months you're on rotation with them. you're with a veteran officer as you learn the ropes. >> after you completed your field training then did you become a patrol officer? >> yes, sir. >> can you please share the different places within minneapolis that you were trained as a officer? >> i finished my fto in the third precinct of south

minneapolis. from there i was assigned to the fifth precinct and i was assigned as a patrol 911 responder. i primaily worked the night shifts. i did our dog watch shift, it is primarily overnight. we started at night tame and the shift ends when the sun comes up. so my journey started on the night shifts in the precinct. >> through the course of your mpd career you have been assigned to different units or teams, is that correct? >> yes, sir. >> one of those was a community response team, is that right? >> yes. approximately a year and a half and our community response team nap is a unit that is not bound by 911 patrol. that is a unit that is primarily

focused on crime patterns that are happening within that precinct. so we get a lot of particular suppression, robbery suppression, prostitution, things of that nation in a we're highly focused on in that precinct. >> you have also been assigned to the community engagement unit? >> yes, sir. >> could you describe what that unit is? >> let me take some water for this. so, i was in the community engagement unit for about two years. it's a unit that derived from former president obama's 21st century policing initiative that pretty much means more community oriented policing. and that unit that i was part of was primarily focused on the

specific needs of the community. so i worked directly with the community like neighborhood watch organizations, a lot of meetings, but it was specific to specific needs of the community. we weren't 911 patrol. >> and after you finished that assignment, you mentioned that your current rank is that of sergeant, is that right? >> yes, sir. >> and you had to take a test to become a sergeant and then be selected. >> yes. >> now you're a patrol sergeant, where are you currently assigned? >> i'm on leave right now in. >> prior to that? >> i was assigned to the third precinct dog watch shift, the overnight shift. >> when you work as a shift sergeant do you typically wear a uniform? >> yes, sir. >> with a body worn camera? >> yes, sir. >> do you have a partner? >> no.

i'm one of three sergeants on the shift, but no partner. >> are you assigned a car? >> yes. >> do you ride solo? >> yes. >> you, as a minneapolis police officer you signed a certification that you're familiar with various minneapolis police department policies, is that right? >> yes, sir. >> and part of that in addition to all of the policies that have been introduced we're going to focus on that of critical incident response, all right? now, when we look back to may 2020, supervising the dog watch, were you working on may 25, 2020? >> yes, sir, i was. >> when do you recall beginning your shift? >> like i said, our shifts started at 20:30 hours, which is

8:30. . >> what's the first thing you do when you start the shift? >> i conduct roll call with my officers. >> describe what that involves. >> it is basically attendance, making sure serve there and accounted for, they're ready to work. it is a time where we pass along pertinent information about what has gone on during the day or maybe what crime patterns and things we should be aware of. if the officers need anything that needs to be brought to the table they can as well. role call concludes with me giving them squad assignments and sending them on their way so they can start answering 911 calls. >> do you receive information from the previous shifts that you can pass along to the officers you're sending out on your shifts? >> sometimes.

>> you're generally familiar with the officers in a you personally supervise? >> yes. >> and other officers within the third precinct? are you familiar with other officers in the third precinct that are not necessarily on your specific shift? >> oh, yes. yes. >> are you familiar with a person named derek chauvin? >> absolutely. >> would you please point to him and thank you. your honor, may the record reflect that the witness identified the defendant. how do you know him? >> like i said i don't know him personally. we worked out of the same building, but we worked different shifts. i wasn't his direct supervisor. >> a name and face recognition?

never socialized outside of work? >> no. >> okay. you're familiar with an officer named tao? >> yes, i know who he is. >> the same respect as with the defendant? >> yes. >> and thomas lane? >> yes. >> how do you describe your relationship with thomas lane? he was always on the mid-watch shift, but he did a rotation when they were new on my shift and i believe he was on my shift for about a month for what was probably his second month on the job. >> have you ever interacted with him outside of the work setting? >> no. >> how about alexander king?

>> the same, i believe it was his second month of being on the job. >> i would like to note they were on different shifts. >> i bring you back to that role call on the date in kfgs. did now receive a phone call? >> i received a phone call from sergeant who was the mid-watch sergeant. >> do you recall what sergeant -- did sergeant pluger give you information that you relied upon to take first steps in your duties that night? >> yes. >> what did he tell you?

>> sergeant pluger told me he was at the hospital at that time with a man he described may or may not live. later on in the night i found out that male was mr. floyd, he said he was at the hospital. he asked me if i would be willing to respond to because he was tied up a up at the hospital at the time. which shed me if i would respond to make sure just in case we had to secure that area and make continue with any of his officers that were on scene still because this was a critical incident. >> and what does that mean as a

critical incident? >> the officer or someone elsewhere someone died or someone else has suffered great bodily harm that later led to death. >> and based on your knowledge of the minneapolis police department policy, what do you suppose happened with the critical incident with the crime scene and the procedures. >> the crime scene is supposed to be locked down and that is for the purpose to preserve any evidence that is there. the involved parties are usually waited to escort sergeant sos they can be escorted to an

interview room downtown. appropriate notifications are made. i.a., homicide if you will, the upper administration, the area is canvassed. that just means that there is a designated amount of officers that are searching the area and looking for witnesses that can give a synopsis of what they saw. we wait for the investigators to get there and wait for further information. >> do you take any steps in regard to body worn cameras and making sure they're activated? >> absolutely. >> what do you do? >> make sure all of the cameras are active and running all of

the time. >> in this case did you take steps consistent with procedures that you just out lined? >> yes, when i arrived on scene, yes. >> at this time i would like to publish exit one. when you got off of the phone with sergeant plpluger? >> i told him i didn't mind going down there. i believe i got do there around 9:35 p.m. that's when i arrived there. >> were you wearing your body-worn camera? >> yes. >> and it was activated? >> yes. >> can you please describe the scene as you recall it when you arrived? >> 38th is kind of a high

profile area. 38th street and chicago area are both major thorough fares. when i arrived there, there was only two officers there. there was not very much other people around when i arrived there. >> you indicated that your body worn camera was activated and prior to testifying today you had an opportunity to review various frafts taken on your camera. >> 81 and 95 are included.

>> officers king and lane were at the scene when you arrived? >> yes, i did. >> publish exhibit 81. do you recognize the individuals in this photograph exhibit 81? >> i do. >> who is this individual? >> officer lane. >> and this? officer king. >> you tell the juror what the interaction is that you've had with officers lane and king when you arrived? >> when i arrived there i was met by officer king first. first thing i did was i told him hey, if you're body worn camera is not on, turn it on now. he did. officer lane came out of the car. several seconds after, i told the same thing to him. and he activated his body worn camera. >> so lane was initially sitting

in the car? >> yes, sir. >> do you know what car? >> his squad car that is pictured there. >> is that 320? >> sure. >> is that a squad car assigned to that sector? >> yeah. that's a middle watchdog. >> after you instructed both officers to activate or make sure their body worn activated did you tell them anything else they needed to do? >> yes, i asked them where they had interaction with mr. floyd. they told me that they interacted with him on the sidewalk there by their squad car. they also cold me they interacting with him on chicago avenue in front of the cup foods store. >> based on that statement did

you direct them to place crime scene tape around the area to preserve that scene? >> yes, with that investigation i was able to gather where the incident occurred and i instructed them to put tape around the area so we could preserve any potential evidence that was there. >> first i ask that we publish e 2. >> what do you see in this photograph? >> officer king putting up crime scene tape. >> publish exhibit 1, do you have one of these stylus up there? >> yeah. >> if you could use that to roughly outline the area that will show where the crime scene tape was put up generally. >> okay, so generally their

squad was right here at the time. this is different. their squad was here. mr. floyd's vehicle was here. i had him encompass this whole area. so crime scene tape was around that whole intersection. it encompassed the entire intersection. >> at the time there was other officers in the area at the time or just king and lane? >> at that time i believe it was myself, king, and lane, but i had other officers from my shift respond to the area. because i knew we were going to probably have to lock down that area. >> so you asked the other officers to arrive? >> yes. >> that wasn't something arranged before? >> no, i asked for additional officers.

>> try not to talk over each other. >> oh, sorry. >> no problem. >> that was for the specific purpose of keeping the area secure? >> yes, sir. >> if you would clear that, your honor. at some point did you learn that this in fact was a critical incident? >> later on in the night, yes. >> but you were taking steps to secure the scene as if it would be critical before that? >> yes, sir. >> at this point did you know anything about what happened that caused you to be called out there? specifically? >> no, i had no specifics. at that point i had very little specifics. i was waiting for more phone calls from the sergeant that

could tell me what was going on. >> you didn't know the defendant was involved at that point? >> correct. >> you had a brief interaction and conversation with king and lane, right? >> yes. >> based on additional steps were you able to community with the other officers that you directed to come to the scene to provide them direction? >> yes. >> what did you ask the other officers to do? >> a number of the officers i asked to canvas the area. as i explained before, that means pretty much go door to door. see if there is any potential witnesses that may have been there when the incident occurred. get a synopsis of what say saw and heard.

and it's just searching for any witnesses and getting their story. >> if we could publish exhibit 83, another image from your body worn camera. you see some of the other officers from your shift who you called to help you at the scene? >> yes, sir. >> and i'm going to ask you, looking at the picture we'll start here. >> officer lane. >> this individual? >> officer nurley. >> this person? >> officer cape. >> this person? >> officer oaks. >> and this? >> officer areola? >> and was officer areola new at the time? >> yes. >> and can you describe what was

at the scene at this time? in the early morning hours of may 26th, is that right? >> yes, sir. >> what did you do? >> i shortly there after i received a call from in answer to your question, we my guys and i, just remained there for seen security to ensure that no vehicle or traffic came in the crime scene. >> to make sure that no one came

into that roped off area? >> did you take any steps with respect to the business cup foods? >> the sergeant was able to make contact with the manager. >> how many officers were used to secure the scene. >> i believe that night i only had about maybe eight to ten officers on. and i didn't have every single one of my officers on the scene. there was still a lot of 911 calls that needed to be attended to. >> in addition to securing the perimeter of the scene, did you secure any vehicles within the scene? >> yes, sir. >> what vehicles did you secure? >> officer's king and lanes

squads and mr. floyd's vehicle that was parked ahead of theirs. >> can you describe that vehicle, please? >> i don't remember what kind of vehicle he was driving. it was a dark colored vehicle, if i remember correctly. >> did you keep officers king and lane out of squad 320? >> yes, and i told them to leave their belongings in the squad car. >> at this time i would like to publish exhibit 84. exhibit 84 then for the record is a photo from your body worn camera taken at 21:50.17. is that right? >> yes. >> and we see both king and lane in the photo, correct?

>> yes. >> and is this where you had the initial interaction with them where you asked them to get out of the vehicle so you can secure it? >> yes. >> and they complied with it? >> they did. >> did you see them or anyone take anything out of the vehicle? >> no. >> was the vehicle running or had it been stopped? >> it was running. >> what did you do since it was running? >> i told them to get out of the car. they got out of the car. >> did you at any point stop the vehicle from running? >> that wasn't until the bch showed up. i believe it was special agent mike phil told me that they were going to take custody of the squad and mr. floyd's vehicle. we noticed the vehicle -- we noticed the squad car, i'm sorry, was still running. so he instructed me to power it

down. >> you had also mentioned something about a canvas. did you at some point instruct officers to do a canvas of the area for possible witnesses? >> yes. i explained that, yes. >> since you didn't know much about what had happened, what were asking the officers to look for? >> you know, anybody that may have been in the area at the time that the incident occurred. you know, we knew that the incident occurred before we got to work. you know, i guess we were just trying to get lucky. maybe there was somebody still there that was willing to talk to us. yeah. >> who did you send out to do the canvas? >> several officers. >> did that include areola and

nurling? >> yes. >> did they locate any witnesses willing to speak with you? >> what was that? >> did they locate any witnesses that were willing to speak with you? >> willing to speak with me? >> yes. >> no. >> did you interact with an elderly or older gentleman -- i won't say elderly -- older gentleman at the scene? >> yes. >> did he identify himself to you, first or last name? >> he identified himself to me as charles. he refused to give me his full name. >> published exhibit 87, it's another body-worn camera image. not from your body-worn camera, but it shows -- who is this? >> that's me. >> is this charles? >> yes, sir. >> this point captures the conversation you had with him at

22:05 and about 43 seconds, is that right? >> yes, sir. >> he did not provide any information to you? >> no, he did not. he explained to him that he would be very valuable to us if he had something to say or if he saw something. he told me he refused to say anything and wondered if he was under arrest, and i told him no. and he told me he wanted to leave. >> of course, you didn't know whether or not he had spoken with anybody already about this incident? >> correct. that was the first time i had seen him. >> did you ask king and lane to participate in the canvas? >> no, i don't believe i did. no. >> what did you ask them to do? >> i asked them to chill out, because later on i knew from the sergeant that he had a couple of

escort sergeants coming down to transport them to interview room 100. >> published exhibit 85. looking at exhibit 85 from your body-worn camera at 21:51:25, you see officers lane and king. were they standing where you told them to stand waiting where you told them to wait? >> correct. >> at this time, you instructed them to keep their body-worn cameras activated, is that right? >> correct. >> do you recall speaking with any other potential witnesses while you were at the scene? >> no, i don't. >> do you recall entering cup foods? >> yes. yes. >> speak with anybody at cup foods? >> yes. like i said before, the sergeant asked me to see if i could make

contact with the manager there at cup foods, and i did. and i spoke with him. >> published exhibit 86. this is an image from your body-worn camera at 21:54:32. who is that individual? >> i do not remember his name. but he is the manager there at cup foods. >> did you learn whether or not he was a witness to the interaction between the police and george floyd? >> he said he didn't witness anything. i had a brief conversation with him. >> when you arrived, you testified you had taken control of the scene, right, as the sergeant? you were the ranking officer there? >> yes, sir. >> at some point, did another ranking officer arrive at the

scene? >> yes. lieutenant zimmerman from homicide arrived at the scene shortly after as well as sergeant dale. >> published exhibit 88. i know that's a little hard to see, but can you identify the people in this photo? >> that's myself and that's lieutenant zimmerman. >> when did he arrive, approximately, if you could take the cutout -- >> when did he arrive approximately? >> yes. >> i couldn't tell you the time he arrived. i could tell you the time stamp i'm seeing right there, 22:06. that would be 10:06 p.m. >> even if not exact arrival time, this is pretty close in time to lieutenant zimmerman's first arrival? >> yes.

>> when lieutenant zimmerman arrived, what happened with the scene? >> he came and just assured that we had the scene secure. he came and assured that we had officers that were canvassing the area for any potential witnesses that were still there. yeah. >> did you see lieutenant zimmerman interact with either of the involved officers, lane or king? >> i don't recall seeing him interact with lane or king. >> did you impart to lieutenant zimmerman any information that you had gathered about the scene or potential witnesses to that point? >> can you ask that question again?

>> sure. did you tell lieutenant zimmerman what you did up to that point to get him caught up on the scene and the witnesses and what steps had been taken? >> oh, yes. >> did he direct you to take any further steps as -- now he is a lieutenant -- >> more canvassing of the area. he wanted more officers at the scene. >> he confirmed that the scene itself was secure. >> yes. >> and the squad was secure and mr. floyd's vehicle was secure? >> yes. >> what is bob dale assigned to? >> he was there. he came with lieutenant zimmerman. >> bob dale is from homicide, is that right? >> i believe so. >> with this being a critical incident, this was going to be handed over to the bureau of criminal apprehension, correct? >> well, at that point we still

didn't know if this was, indeed, a critical incident. i was going under the assumption that it was -- it was better safe to go that way than not. >> because of that, there were some steps taken to ensure that when this was handed off it would be handed off in a manner that it could be taken over with smoothly, correct? >> yes. >> did either dale or zimmerman make a suggestion to you about having a crime scene log? >> yes. >> what did they ask for? >> they just asked if a crime scene log had been started. and i tasked officer areola with that task. crime scene logs just -- it's a log of names of officers and personnel that entered the crime scene. >> did you see officer areola

start compiling a crime scene log? >> yes. >> published exhibit 89. you can see, is this officer areola here? >> yes. >> he appears to be holding something, is that right? >> yes. >> is that the crime scene log? >> i believe so. >> as you testified, at some point you learned that mr. floyd had died, correct? >> yes. >> do you recall how you received that information? >> it was later on in the night. sergeant dale actually informed me that he had -- mr. floyd had passed away.