start compiling a crime scene log? >> yes. >> published exhibit 89. you can see, is this officer areola here? >> yes. >> he appears to be holding something, is that right? >> yes. >> is that the crime scene log? >> i believe so. >> as you testified, at some point you learned that mr. floyd had died, correct? >> yes. >> do you recall how you received that information? >> it was later on in the night. sergeant dale actually informed me that he had -- mr. floyd had passed away. >> was that pretty shortly after

dale and zimmerman had arrived? >> yeah. yes. >> about 10:13 p.m., is that right? >> it was sometime after sergeant dale and lieutenant zimmerman arrived. >> after that point, were there arrangements made for transport officers to bring lane and king to city hall pursuant to critical incident protocol? >> there were. >> did you watch that happen? >> yes. officers walitski and officer atshof responded to the scene. officer king and officer lane were transported. >> publish exhibit 90. additional body-worn camera footage. do you see officer -- sergeant atshof in this photo?

>> would you draw a circle? and walitski? >> i don't see him in this photo. >> was this -- according to the time stamp, 22:18:14, is that right? >> correct. >> that was around the time that the transport officers arrived. and i'm assuming the transport would have happened fairly shortly after that? >> correct. >> and they transported lane and king to room 100 within city hall? >> room 100. >> was it about shortly after that, about 15 minutes or so later that the bca took over? >> yes. i was notified by lieutenant zimmerman that bca is on their way and they will take over the scene. so we were requested -- me and my guys were requested to stay put for scene security.

>> do you recall when bca arrived? >> i don't remember what time they arrived, no. >> i will show you exhibit 91. do you remember the name of the agent who was involved? >> yes. i believe his name was special agent michael phil. >> can you tell the jury what you see here in exhibit 91? who are these people? >> that appears to be special agent michael phil standing alongside lieutenant zimmerman. >> here? >> yes. >> that's at 23:00, is that right? >> correct. >> that's the approximate time then that the bca took over the scene? >> approximately. >> you saw special agent phil have a conversation with lieutenant zimmerman. after that conversation took place, did you have a

conversation with lieutenant zimmerman? >> i believe i had a conversation with both of them afterwards. brief interaction. >> when did lieutenant -- did lieutenant zimmerman remain at the scene at bca took over, or did he leave? >> he came up to me and just told me pretty much that, it's in the bca's hands now. they will be here. just to ensure that myself and my officers remained on scene for scene security and until the bca tells us they're done with their job and that we can take down the crime scene tape and leave. >> published exhibit 92. this is special agent phil? >> yes, that is. >> during the period of time

that you were speaking with him and getting instruction on what to do at the scene? >> yes. >> did he ask you to do anything with squad 320? >> yes. >> what did -- >> he told me that they were taking custody of both the squad and mr. floyd's vehicle. we noticed that the squad was still running. he asked me to open it up and power it down. which i did. >> did you remove anything from the vehicle? >> no, sir. >> at this point, the bca has the scene. you are no longer taking any investigative steps or collecting evidence, is that correct? >> correct. >> did you make observations of other officers doing those things? watching bca? >> such as? >> such as anything with the vehicle.

>> no. no. i didn't see anybody doing anything with the vehicles. any other officer, if that's what you are asking. >> did you see other officers taking photographs, looking at the vehicle? >> no, sir. >> did you see any forensic scientists or people you recognized to be forensic scientists come onto the scene? >> just the team of people that special agent michael phil had with him. >> those -- >> several bca people there. >> those are the folks who are allowed in the scene, is that right? >> yes. >> at some point, did you watch mr. floyd's vehicle be actually towed away by the bca? >> yes. ultimately, special agent had both the squad car as well as

mr. floyd's vehicle towed from the scene. >> you watched them do that? >> yes. i was still on scene then. >> published exhibit 94. is this an image of the bca towing away squad 320? >> yes. >> and they had already towed the suv at this point, is that right? >> i believe so. >> can you tell the jury then what you did with the scene after the vehicles were towed away? >> after the bca had the vehicles towed away, it wasn't very long after that special agent michael phil told me that they were all finished now and we could take down the crime scene tape and leave. >> did you do so? >> yes, sir. >> published exhibit 95.

this is at 3:34:54. what does this image show? >> that's at 3:34 a.m. that's me. those are my hand helping take down the crime scene tape. >> at this point then the crime scene was cleared, no longer needed to be secured, and you would be able to exit the area, is that right? >> correct. >> thank you very much. i have no further questions, your honor.

>> i have no questions of this witness. >> thank you, sergeant. you may step down. >> thank you. >> next witness. >> your honor, the state would call lieutenant zimmerman to the stand. >> do you wear or affirm under

penalty of perjury that the testimony you are about to give will be the truth and nothing but the truth? >> i do. >> lieutenant, if you could give us your full name, spelling each of your names. if you could remove your mask. >> okay. thank you. >> it's richard zimmerman. r-i-c-h-a-r-d. >> you can tell the jurors what you do for a living? >> i'm a police officer with the minneapolis police department. >> how long you have been a police officer? >> since june 3rd of 1981. >> all that's with minneapolis? >> no. the first four years from'sfrom1

to 1985 i was a patrol deputy responding to 911 calls. >> 1985 you started with minneapolis? >> yes. i had the weekend off and started in minneapolis june 5th, 1985. >> are you a licensed police officer in the state of minnesota? >> yes, i am. >> when did you first obtain your license? >> i'm sorry? >> when did you first obtain your license? >> june 3rd of 1981. >> as a police officer, having that license, are you required to do certain things to maintain that license? >> yes. >> what kinds of things do you have to do? >> we have to do continuing ed like any other professional license. we have to do 40 hours of

different education, professional education in a certain time period. i'm not sure if it's one or two years. >> if you don't, somebody will let you know, right? >> yes, they will. >> since 1981, have you done all that's been required to maintain your license? >> yes, i have. >> when you started with the minneapolis police department in 1985, what was your job? what were your duties? >> i was a patrolman. i worked the north side precinct, it's called precinct four. i worked the third precinct. my permanent assignment was the fifth precinct, which is franklin, lake street. >> when you were working as a patrol officer, what kind of things do you do?

>> well, we respond to 911 calls. we deter crime or try to deter crime, i should say. that's kind of what we do. traffic control, that kind of thing. >> out on the streets every day? >> yes. >> at least every day you work, right? >> yes. >> so then did your job duties change eventually? >> yes. in 1990, i became early prevalent in the late '80s, so i joined the crack team in the fifth where there were four officers and a sergeant. we would do search warrants looking for drugs, that kind of thing. >> what year was that? >> pardon me? >> what year was that? >> 1990 to 1993.

>> what did you do then in 1993? >> i took the sergeant exam and passed it and was assigned to the adult sex crimes unit. >> what does it mean to be promoted to sergeant? >> well, you take a series of tests. once you are promoted, you express your interest is patrol or investigations. so i talked to the lieutenant in charge of the sex crimes unit and expressed my interest. >> you mentioned having to take an exam? >> yes. >> just like sitting down and -- like we do in school, taking an exam? >> yes. it was a written exam. once you pass that phase, then you would take an oral exam, and

then you were given your scores. >> so you became a sergeant. did some supervisory responsibilities come with that? >> yes. >> can you describe for the jurors what supervisory -- what kinds of responsibilities a sergeant takes on? >> well, as an investigative sergeant, you are assigned a case to follow up with the victims. you do search warrants. when you are doing search warrants, you have officers that assist you. you will assign them duties that -- such as assisting with the search warrant. >> also have responsibilities to make sure the officers underneath you are properly trained? >> yes, absolutely. you know, when i would do search warrants, i would explain to the officers that we don't want

anyone to get hurt, either the officers or the subjects. >> so continuing with your history, you went into the sex crimes unit as a sergeant. subsequent to that, did your responsibilities change? >> yes. >> can you tell the jurors about that? >> yeah. in 1995, the homicide unit was expanding because of the amount of murders that were occurring in minneapolis in 1995. so they brought in myself and one other guy from the robbery unit. and we were assigned partners in the homicide unit. >> which unit do you currently work at? >> 1995. >> which unit do you currently work in? >> yes. i'm sorry. the homicide unit. >> from 1995 to today, you have been in the homicide unit? >> yes.

>> did you sometime during that period receive another promotion? >> yes. >> tell the jurors about that, please. >> yeah. in 2007, i took a lieutenant exam -- or 2006, i took the lieutenant exam. that's a series of, again, written tests and oral -- if you pass that phase, then you go on to the oral interview phase. you are notified of your results. >> you were promoted to lou ten -- -- lieutenant? >> yes, i was. >> how did that change your job responsibilities? >> usually, when you are promoted, you are assigned to a different unit than you worked. but they asked me to stay in the homicide unit because of my experience. so i took over the job in 2008 -- november of 2008.

the duties are -- i get called for every suspicious death, deaths where it's clearly a homicide, deaths where officers have any question about how a person may have died. i go out to the scenes. >> do you also supervise other officers? >> yes, i do. >> describe for the jury your responsibilities in supervising other officers. >> yes. right now, we have 12 detectives in homicide that make up six teams. they work with a partner in homicide. they're on rotation basis for being on call. they're on call monday through monday. when a team is on call, i will go out to a scene, assess what

the death may be involved, and i will call the on-call team to come in and start working the case. >> so you still respond to scenes? >> yes. >> but you also supervise the work of the investigators? >> yes. every morning when i come in, i will pull up the cases. we pull up every death report in minneapolis. i will look through each report. and i will assign a case that i might have some questions about. and i will talk to the detectives, explain why i think this needs to be looked into. that's a monday through friday kind of thing. >> are you their direct supervisor? >> yes. >> you started with minneapolis

police department in 1985. >> yes. >> do you know where you are in terms of seniority in the minneapolis police department? >> yes. >> where is that? >> i'm the number one officer in seniority. i hate to say that, but i am. >> understood. were you called out to a scene on may 25th of 2020? >> yes. >> do you recall why you were called to that scene? >> yeah. homicide responds -- i respond initially to critical incidents. a critical incident can be anything from a death to a serious injury of either officers or the public. so i was called in on this one. >> were you technically on duty at that time? >> i was at home.

i was notified by my commander of this incident that happened at 38th and chicago. >> so then, did you respond to that scene? >> yes. >> do you recall about what time it was that you arrived at the scene? >> it was a little bit after 9:00 p.m. >> and the location of 38th and chicago, are you familiar -- were you familiar with that location at that time? >> yes. >> fair to say, no stranger to calls of violent incidents at that intersection? >> yes, absolutely. >> when you arrived, can you just describe for the jury what you first saw when you arrived at that location? >> i arrived on 38th street. i parked on the southwest corner on 38th street.

i saw yellow tape up. it's crime scene tape around the intersection. i saw sergeant edwards, who i know from work, on his cell phone. i saw to officers -- he was, like, in the middle of the scene, kind of. then i saw two officers standing on the southwest -- or the southeast corner of the intersection. >> did you then approach those two officers? >> yes. sergeant edwards appeared to be busy on the phone. so i just walked up to the two officers. >> i'm going to show you -- well, we had an opportunity before court to show you a piece of body cam footage that shows you approaching the scene, correct? >> yes. >> that appeared to be a true and accurate approach to those officers? >> yes, it is.

>> that reflects the time as well? >> yes. >> your honor, i would offer exhibit 96. >> any objection? >> no objection. >> 96 is received. >> we will publish 96. pause here for a moment if we could. this is the intersection of 38th and chicago? >> yes. >> and it looks like the time reflected here is 21:56? >> yes. >> for those of us who have difficulty with that kind of math even, what is the real time? >> yeah. it's four minutes to 10:00. >> it was closer to 10:00 when you arrived? >> yes. >> there's an individual -- i know it's dark and it's hard to

see. but do you know who the individual is in the crosswalk there? >> i don't know. >> let's continue. i want to stop right here if we could, please. for the record, 21:56:53, you see across the intersection there appears to be a person walking towards us? >> yes. >> do you know who that is? >> that would be me. >> continue, please.

>> how are you doing, lieutenant? >> what's going on? >> you can take that down. it appears that you came to the scene in street clothes, right? >> yes. >> that's the moment where you walked up and talked to the two officers? >> yes, i did. >> did you recognize those two officers? >> no, i didn't. >> you appeared to be on the phone. do you recall who you were talking to? >> i don't know if it was my commander or a deputy chief. i'm not sure. >> when you arrived there -- >> we're going to take a pause here in the chauvin trial to bring you commends from

president biden at the white house. 916,000 new jobs in march. >> the first two month of our administration has seen more new jobs created than the first two months in any administration in history. we still have a long way to go to get our economy back on track after the worst economic and job crisis in nearly a century. my message to the american people is this. help is here. opportunity is coming. at long last, there's hope for so many families. credit belongs to the american people. hard working women and men who have struggled through this pandemic, never giving up and are determined to get the country back on track. as well as their families. but i think it's also a reflection of two things we're

doing here. first, the new economic strategy we have launched, one focused on builds from the bottom up and one that puts government on the side of working people and rewards work, not wealth. when we invest in the american people, it's not just those at the time that make our economy grow. they're the ones that make it grow, ordinary americans. we saw the economy gain traction in march as the american rescue plan move and got passed, bringing new hope to our country. we're going to continue to implement that law in the weeks ahead. by april 7th, next week, over 130 million households will have gotten their $1,400 per person rescue check. funds are on their way to local communities to put educators, health care workers, home health care aides, police, firefighters, sanitary workers back on the job. they're getting more aid for

small businesses. we're also going to hang an open sign again on the door to rehire folks that had to be let go. in the months ahead, a new childcare tax credit will cut taxes and provide help to millions of famiies with young children. i know you are tired of hearing me say this. there's nothing the american people can't do if we give them a chance. the american rescue plan does that, for hard working middle class folks at long last. secondly, today's report reflects the progress we made on my other key priority, getting the american people vaccinated. we have turned around a slow moving vaccination program into being the envy of the world. yesterday, we set an all time record for thursday vaccinations, ending a seven day period that was the first ever where we administered 20 million

shots in seven days. that's 20 million shots in a week. no other country has come close to doing that. we made significant progress on that front. but the fight is far from over. we know that vaccines are safe and effective. we are vaccinating more people than any other country on earth. we also have progress on jobs and progress on vaccinations. in the face of this great news, i need also to make this clear and direct statement to the american people. the progress we have worked so hard to achieve can be reversed. on the economic front, the benefits and impact of the american rescue plan are temporary by design. it is a rescue plan. as we get the economy back on its feet, we need to do the hard work of building back better not just for a while but for good. not just a short-term, but for

good. that's why i propose the american jobs plan on wednesday in pittsburgh. it's an eight-year program that invites -- let me put it another way. i have heard from everybody across the country about the need for infrastructure. how many times have we heard, this is infrastructure week? every second week it was infrastructure week. no infrastructure was built. this is an eight-year program that invests in roads, bridges, broadband, airports, ports and fixing our water systems. it's going to repair our v.a. hospitals across the country. many of them more than 50 years old and are in need of help. it will invest in research and development to outcompete china and the rest of the world. independent analysis shows that if we pass this plan, the economy will create 19 million jobs, good jobs, blue collar jobs, jobs that pay well.

that's long-term jobs for pipe fitters, health care workers, those who work in the steel factories and the cutting edge labs as well. the new report out this week shows that nearly 90% of the infrastructure jobs created in the american jobs plan can be filled by people who don't have a college degree. 75% of those good paying jobs don't need an associate's degree. it's a blue collar blueprint for increasing the opportunity. for those who help build the country and have been ignored too long by our government. it's a once in a generation investment in our economic future. a chance to win the future. paid for by asking big corporations, many of which do not pay any taxes at all, just to begin to pay their fair share. it won't raise a penny tax on a family making less than $400,000 a year.

no federal tax. no addition. when congress comes back after this easter break, i'm going to begin meeting with democrats, republicans about this plan. i have spoken to republicans on the phone. i look forward to meeting with them. they have their idea about what it will take. what they like and what they don't like. that's a good thing. that's the american way. debate is welcome. compromise is inevitable. changes in my plan are certain. but inaction is not an option. the american people have been promised action in infrastructure for decades. they have been promised that after our leaders would make it more competitive for decades. i have made my plan to address this long overdue need. it's clear. polls show strong support for infrastructure investment from the american people, whether democrats, republicans or independents. congress should debate my plan,

change it and offer alternatives if they think that's what they have to do. but congress should act. likewise, on the virus, our program there can be undone. as fast as we are move, more adults remain to be vaccinated in april, may and june than have been vaccinated in february and march. we are not halfway done yet. too many americans are acting as if this fight is over. it is not. i told people that if my administration did the hard work of getting shots to all americans in the next few months and if the american people continued to do their part, mask up, practice social distancing, we could have a more normal july 4th. but this is still april, not july. we aren't there yet. cases are going up again. the virus is spreading more rapidly in many places. deaths are going up in some

states. so i ask, i plead with you, don't give back the progress we have all fought so hard to achieve. we need to finish this job. we need every american to buckle down and keep their guard up in this home stretch. wear your mask. keep safe distance from one another. wash your hands. get vaccinated when it's your turn. that's how we're going to beat the virus. cast off the weight of the pandemic that's holding our economy back. the earliest signs from this job report announcing today are promising and the american rescue plan is starting to make a difference. today's report reminds us how deep a hole we started in. after a year of devastation, there are still 8.4 million fewer jobs today than there were

last march. 8.4 million. we created 900,000. but 8.4 million jobs fewer today than last march. too many americans have been unemployed for longer than six months, too many women have been forced out of the workforce. unemployment among people of color remains far too high. yes, we made progress by starting to build an economy from the bottom up and the middle out. yes, the american rescue plan is laying the foundation for that economy. but we still need the american jobs plan to build on that foundation, to build this country back better. the bottom line is this. today's report is good news. today's report shows our country -- what it can do when we act together. we still have a long way to go. i know that we're going to get there and we will get there together. may god bless you all and may

you have a happy easter and a holy easter. thank you. >> there you have it. president biden -- let's listen and see if he takes questions. >> raising taxes will not slow the economy. asking corporate america to pay their fair share will not slow the economy. it will make the economy function better and will create more energy. if the republicans argue that we don't need infrastructure -- they have been talking about the need for it for years now. if the republicans decide we need it but they're not going to pay for it, it's going to

increase the deficit. if the republicans say the next phase, we don't need to invest in v.a. hospitals and keep the sacred obligation we made to so many americans, if the republicans say the 400,000 homes and schools and day care centers that have lead pipes delivering water to their doors, if they say we shouldn't be doing that, what do you think would happen if they found out all of the lead pipes were in the capitol and every time they turned on a water fountain? i think we're going to have -- i think the republican voters are going to have a lot to say about whether we get a lot of this done. >> there you have it, president biden there in the state room there at the white house talking about that jobs report that just came out a few hours ago.

march's job report. just over 900,000 jobs created. unemployment down to about 6%. at the end, we heard the president take two or three questions. questions related to that infrastructure plan that he presented this week, the american jobs plan as it has been dubbed. let's go to senior business correspondent stephanie ruhle. let's dig into what we heard from the president. that jobs report, what does it reveal about what has happened to our economy over the course of the last year during this pandemic? >> listen, craig, we are coming back. as vaccinations are rolling out, as regulations are coming off, we're seeing jobs come back. when you look at the 916,000 jobs, they are largely in travel, leisure, hospitality, education, all things directly impacted to the comeback. however, just going back to normal isn't going to solve it. we need a new normal. if you really listen to

president biden there, that's what he is stressing. this jobs report is very good news, but don't get complacent. he is talking politics. republicans are going to look at this big number, 916,000, and they are going to say, we just spent $2 trillion on the american rescue plan, yes, we needed to spend that money on vaccinations. but we didn't need to spend this much. the economy was recovering on its own. they're their argument. their argument why they don't need to then pass an infrastructure bill. biden saying, american rescue plan is temporary. the infrastructure plan is permanent, long-term solutions. getting a total of $4 trillion passed in a relatively short amount of time, he is going to be doing that without republicans. he was going to have to do that no matter what this number was. let's be honest. >> senior business correspondent stephanie ruhle there. in the last few minutes, more breaking news.

a few moments ago, the cdc releasing new travel guidance for vaccinated americans. the cdc now says that you can, in fact, travel safely once you are fully vaccinated against covid-19. the agency saying when you do travel within the united states, you no longer have to get that covid test before or after traveling if you are two weeks past your final vaccine dose. for international travel, fully vaccinated americans should still have a negative test result before returning home. also important to note here, the cdc says fully vaccinated travelers also no longer need to quarantine. that new cdc guidance coming down just a few moments ago. another sign that slowly but surely things in this country seem to be -- seem to be starting to return back to some semblance of normalcy. all of that is happened in the

last few minutes. meanwhile, the trial for derek chauvin continues to minneapolis. we will go back inside the courtroom right now. lieutenant zimmerman, who is on the stand. let's continue to listen to testimony. >> by handcuffing somebody, you have taken away some of their ability to harm you? >> absolutely. >> if somebody who is handcuffed becomes less combative, does that change the amount of force that an officer is to use under policy? >> yes. >> how so? >> well, if they become less combative, you may just have them sit down on the curb. the idea is to calm the person down. if they are not a threat to you at that point, you try to -- you

know, to help them so that they're not as upset as they may have been in the beginning. >> in your 30 years of training with the minneapolis police department and your experience, have you been trained on the prone position? >> yes. >> what has your training been specific to the prone position? >> well, once you secure or handcuff a person, you need to get them out of the prone position as soon as possible, because it restricts their breathing. >> when you handcuff somebody behind their back, as part of

training, you have been handcuffed behind the back? >> yes. >> have you been trained on what happens to individuals when they are handcuffed behind the back? >> yes. >> when somebody is handcuffed behind their back, how does it affect them physically? >> it stretches the muscles back through your chest. it makes it more difficult to breathe. >> if you put somebody in the prone position -- well, is it well-known this danger of putting somebody in the prone position? >> i will object. >> sustained. >> how long have you had training on the dangers of the prone position as part of a minneapolis police officer? >> since 1985. >> is it part of your training regularly to learn about keeping somebody in the prone position? >> yes. >> what has the training been with regard to the prone position? >> once a person is cuffed, you

need to turn them on their side or have them sit up. you need to get them off their chest. >> why? >> because of the -- as i mentioned earlier, your muscles are pulling back when you are handcuffed. if you are laying on your chest, that's constricting your breathing even more. >> in your training as a minneapolis police officer, are you provided with training on medical intervention? >> yes. >> i assume you are not taught to be paramedics, but you receive some level of training? >> yes. we are first responders i think is what our category would be. >> does that include doing what we think of as cpr, chest compressions? >> yes. >> how often is that part of your training? >> cpr, it's like every other

year or so. >> as part of your training within the minneapolis police department policies, is there an obligation to provide medical intervention when necessary? >> absolutely. >> what is the general teaching that you get with regard to medical intervention? >> well, again, it's been that you need to provide medical care for the person that is in distress. >> would that be true even if you have called an ambulance to come to the scene? >> yeah, absolutely. the ambulance will get there in whatever amount of time. in that time period, you need to provide medical assistance before they arrive.

>> why don't we make a midmorning break? we will take our 20-minute midmorning break. the attorneys and i will deal with an issue while you are on break. lieutenant, you may step down if you wish. >> there you have it. they are in recess now for about 20 minutes, according to the judge. we have been watching and listening to more testimony in the trial of derek chauvin. chauvin, the former minneapolis officer who is charged with the murder of george floyd. we just heard more testimony from two members of the minneapolis police department. you were listening there most immediately to lieutenant richard zimmerman. before lieutenant zimmerman, we were hearing from sergeant jon edwards. both of the men talking about their experience on the force and their interactions with the other officers the night of floyd's death. zimmerman was also one of the

officers in that department who signed an open letter condemning chauvin's actions. we started this week with tears. we are ending this week with technicalities, it would seem. early on, emotional bystanders, floyd's girlfriend spoke to his humanity. now we are hearing from the first responders who try and failed to revive floyd. then chauvin's former supervisor explaining the precise moment he says chauvin should have stopped restraining floyd. let's get to our panel now. chuck rosenburg, former u.s. attorney and senior fbi official, shauna lloyd, managing attorney in florida, charles coleman, a civil rights attorney and former prosecutor as well. chuck, let me start with you today. we heard from more members of the minneapolis police department. the prosecution asked them both when they started on the force, what their duties were,

officers. there was one question about the use of force that caught my attention. take a listen. >> have you ever, in all the years you have been working for the minneapolis police department, been trained to kneel on the neck of someone who is handcuffed behind their back in the prone position? >> no, i haven't. >> if that were done, would that be considered force? >> absolutely. >> what level of force might that be? >> that would be the top tier, deadly force. >> chuck, it seemed to me that that was the thesis moment with that particular witness. how important was that moment? am i reading too much into it? >> no, i think you are right, craig. it's an important moment. we heard something like that yesterday from sergeant plager as well. it should be obvious to the jury

that if you are in the prone position, face down in the street, with your hands cuffed behind your back and you are unconscious and someone continues to kneel on your neck, it's not just an unreasonable amount of force, it's also as lieutenant zimmerman said, a potentially deadly force. because the prosecution has to prove cause of death and because the prosecution has to prove intent of officer chauvin to kill george floyd, this type of testimony is really important. it's coming in slowly. it's occasionally choppy. the most important thing is, it's coming in. it's there. it exists. that will enable the prosecution in its closing to point to those portions of the testimony most helpful to it and to accentuate that for the jury. it's coming in well, in my view. well enough.

>> it's worth pointing out that lieutenant zimmerman is one of more than a dozen minneapolis police officers who signed that letter condemning chauvin's actions. what does that signify to you? >> it signifies a lot. right now in officer chauvin. what does that signify to you? >> right now with everything we are seeing, there are good officers. good officers who are coming out and standing up to say this was not acceptable. i am a law enforcement officer and this is not acceptable. i think that will be significant for our jury and the overarching theme when the jury looks at an officer and his individual actions. >> i am joined outside the courthouse in minneapolis. shaq, what is your take away from the case the prosecution is

making this morning about officer chauvin's use of force? >> reporter: it's how this prosecution's case is developing over time. we started the week with the emotional bystanders. yesterday we heard from the paramedics who worked to revive george floyd. and now we are hearing from the investigators and hearing about their opinions on the use of force training they received and what actions took place. one thing about zimmermann, he was one of the officers who signed a letter after george floyd's death condemning derek chauvin. i have pulled up the letter and want to quote from it. he says like us, derek chauvin took an oath to hold the sanctity of life most precious.

derek chauvin failed as a human and stripped george floyd of his dignity and life. and goes on to say this is not who we are. that gives you an idea of what perspective he is coming into the trial and what perspective his testimony is taking, not only being a long time homicide investigator but also being the most senior member of the minneapolis police department, craig. >> shaq brewster outside that courthouse. gabe is also outside that courthouse in minneapolis as well. gabe, walk us through what this all tells us about the timeline of this case. >> craig, picking up on shaqqees -- shaq's point, you have to wonder the credibility of the police chief who worked at the

police department since the mid '80s saying officer chauvin went too far. yesterday the shift supervisor said chauvin went too far. building on the timeline as well. the police sergeant. we saw pictures of him arriving at the scene and the officers putting up the crime scene tape. some viewers may wonder what took them so long. in terms of the timeline, the encounter happened around 8:00 p.m. as the sun was setting. it looked like this happened within the next hour, hour and a half or so. with george floyd pronounced dead at 9:30 p.m.

tuesday after memorial day it was called a medical incident. even the police chief and mayor held the press conference when the details of this were not fully known. it wasn't until the following morning. that's when this bystander video started to explode. earlier that morning we learned george floyd's name and the family was represented by ben crump and this started to get national attention. in the first few hours after george floyd died there was a lot of, frankly, misinformation of what happened. we are learning that those first accounts were based on some of the things that derek chauvin told his superiors. his shift supervisor said during the first conversation he had with derek chauvin he did not mention he put his knee on

floyd's neck. and in the testimony this morning you heard the officers responding to the scene after the fact bringing officers lane and king to city hall to be interviewed by investigators. and now we start to see this investigation start to crank up. so this really is the prosecution trying to layout that timeline and let jurors know what happened in those hours immediately following george floyd's death, craig. >> gabe gutierrez there for us. thank you. thank you for joining me. a big thank you to warren lewis, a long time producer at msnbc. it is his last day. he has decided to retire. he will be sorely missed.

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good day. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. continuing our coverage of the derek chauvin murder trial in minneapolis. we have seen emotional eyewitnesss. and then first responders and today the most senior homicide officer. lieutenant zimmerman claimed

officers are trained not to kneel on suspect's next. >> how often do you get instruction on use of force? >> once a year. >> how many officers have to go through that use of force training once a year? >> every officer. >> includes the guy who is number one in seniority? >> that includes me, absolutely. >> let me ask it this way. are there also minneapolis police department policies about the use of force? >> yes, there is. >> are you required to be familiar with those? >> yes, your honor. >> when you do training does it cover the policies as well? >> yes. >> do you also do some physical activity, taking people down and rolling arounded? >> we have a mat that we use at our soc