information or what they perceived to be information? >> yes, sir. >> it's the bca's job to follow up on every single one of those pieces of information? >> yes, it is. >> ultimately on following up on those pieces of information, ultimately you can see this is irrelevant to this case, it's something else, or this person may just want to share their opinion. right? >> yes, sir. >> and so this investigation has been ongoing, essentially, since may 25th of 2020. >> yes, sir. >> and all things told what part of bca did was go to get training records. >> correct. >> through search warrants? >> yes, sir. >> and there were multiple search warrants to obtain that type of information, right?

>> yes, sir. >> there were two search warrants executed on the mercedes-benz driven by mr. floyd, correct? >> yes, sir. >> there were two consent to searches of squad 320, correct? >> yes, sir. >> i want to just be very clear about something. when you talk about the second search of the squad 320 -- >> yes. >> -- prior to that second -- the defense request to view, right, squad 320 had been in the bureau of criminal apprehension secure storage from effectively may 25th, 26th, all the way until january when that was done, right? >> yes. not on site at our headquarters. >> at the secure storage location? >> correct. >> and no one -- the defense would not have had access to that unless you or another representative of the bca was present, correct? >> that is correct.

>> and it is common, is it not, in your investigations for defense attorneys to ask to view pieces of evidence, right? >> yes, it is. >> and it's permissible? >> yes. >> and that was done in this particular case, right? >> yes, it was. >> and you weren't present at that? that was agent phil, i believe, that was present? >> correct. >> along with scott buehler? >> correct. >> you're not suggesting that somehow the defense put pieces of pills into that squad car. >> no, sir, i'm not suggesting that. >> and, in fact, it would have been the agents who were present to cut the seal on the squad car, correct? >> yes. >> all right. and the defense isn't necessarily allowed to touch or manipulate or do anything to that squad car. >> that's correct. >> all right. so, part of the overall investigation, again, including getting surveillance videos from

area businesses, right? >> correct. >> including the speedway across the street. >> yes, sir. >> and some of the video is higher quality than others. >> that's correct. >> and obtaining cell phones of people present. >> correct. >> and just lots and lots and lots of stuff that happens. >> yes, sir. >> right. ultimately, when you first got involved in this case, as the lead case agent, you had a very limited piece of information, right? >> yes, sir. >> that was information that was gleaned from the dispatch. it was can gleaned from, you know, just basic what's called public safety reporting, correct? >> correct. >> an individual had been detained, that individual passed away and you begin the normal

process. >> that's correct. >> securing the scene, right? >> yes. >> securing potential evidence, correct? >> yes, sir. >> and it includes interviewing witnesses. >> that's correct. >> okay. and the critical incident policies of the bureau of criminal apprehension were followed in this particular case, right? >> yes, sir. >> now when you conducted the first search of the mercedes-benz back on may 26th of 2020, you were present when that happened, right? >> from some of the time. >> but another crime scene team analyst would have taken photographs, looked at things and preserved that both digitally by the way of photographs, plus keeping the actual evidence, right? >> yes, a bca agent took the photographs. >> that's mckenzie anderson? >> no, that was special agent joseph o'brien. >> he was part of the crime

scene team? >> yes, sir. >> your job is to investigate the case, right? >> yes, sir. >> so did you review those photographs? >> yes. >> did you specifically take note at that time of the presence of pills in the mercedes-benz? >> out of the 750 photos i reviewed, i did not. >> okay. so it's not that you didn't preserve the evidence, you just didn't notice it? >> correct. >> and, again, based on what you had learned, you weren't necessarily looking for anything of that nature, correct? >> correct. >> ultimately, whether it was relevant or not was to be determined, right? >> yes, sir. >> you would agree it was

extensive. >> very much so. >> in the sense after this incident something like eight or ten minneapolis police officers were on scene, right? >> correct. >> they were securing the scene from roughly 9:00 in the evening until 3:00 in the morning, right? >> correct. >> and all of those minneapolis police officers, pursuant to policy, had body cameras on. >> that is correct. >> roughly five to six hours of body-worn cameras, footage from those? >> approximately. >> and then there's all the video, the surveillance video. it takes a lot of time to do this, right? >> yes, sir. >> and this investigation would be different than a lot of other investigations, wouldn't it, in terms of the officer-involved uses of force? >> in what way, sir? >> well, this investigation was occurring simultaneously to a court process, was it not? >> yes, sir.

>> normally an investigation is completed and then it's submitted to some prosecuting organization, and they review it and they make determinations, right? >> correct. >> that is all of the officer or majority of the officer-involved incidents that you've been involved with, how it's commonly occurred, right? >> yes, sir. >> so in this particular case, things were unusual because of that? >> that is correct. >> all right. and so information in may or june was not known until some time until november, december, january, et cetera. >> that is correct. >> and so there has been sort of a changing dynamic in terms of the investigation? >> correct. >> in terms of the videos, you

testified you watched the video. we need to sort out numbers on that real quick. but i want to bring your attention back to -- i think this is exhibit 122. and i'm going to -- if we could publish, your honor, i'm going to start for the record at 20:25:59. i'm going to ask you to watch -- sorry, 20:25:59. >> which exhibit? >> it's the one you just showed. 122, is it? 127. sorry. >> did you say 122?

>> 127. >> 127. >> your permission to publish? >> you may. >> i'm going to ask you, sir, to watch -- when officer chauv n stands up, i'm going to ask you to watch what would be his left arm, okay? >> yes, sir. >> so we'll start, for the record, at 20:26:03. [ indistinct chatter ] >> shut it off! >> i'm sorry. i'm at the wrong spot.

let me take this down. i apologize, your honor. i have the wrong exhibit. all right. sorry, it is the right exhibit, 127, at 20:28:32. i'm going to ask you to watch the left arm of mr. floyd on the left side of the screen.

>> okay. sir, are you referring to the body one camera side or the -- >> body one camera side. yes, please. [ indistinct chatter ] >> did you observe mr. floyd's left arm on the ground, underneath mr. chauvin's right knee? >> i believe i did, yes. >> and when mr. chauvin stood up, mr. floyd's arm sort of came up, right? >> can i see it again, please? >> sure. hit back ten seconds and start. [ indistinct chatter ]

>> it's hard because of this bar. let's try one more time. >> i've got a glare as well. [ indistinct chatter ] >> can you see that? >> what was the question? repeat the question. >> do you observe mr. chauvin's right knee to be compressing mr. floyd's left arm? >> clarification. i think from what i see here, it was mr. chauvin's shin that was compressing the arm and the knee was on the back. >> that's what you believe you see? >> yes, sir. >> but, nevertheless, mr. floyd's left arm, the triceps area, was in between mr. chauvin's either knee or shin, right? >> yes.

did you review and study the body-worn cameras very closely yourself? >> i've seen all of them. i'm reviewed most of them closely, yes. >> and did you attempt to understand and hear what various parties were saying at various times? >> yes. >> did you ever hear mr. floyd say i ate too many drugs? >> no.

>> i'm going to publish this and ask you to listen to mr. floyd's voice. did you hear that? >> yes, i did. >> did it appear that mr. floyd said "i ate too many drugs"? >> yes, it did. >> in the videos we watched, there appears to be a liquid forming underneath the vehicle, correct? >> yes. >> and that liquid stream goes out into the street toward the curb, behind the back of the squad car, is that correct? >> that's correct. >> and it's fair to say that that liquid coming from underneath the vehicle -- appears to be coming from underneath the vehicle, correct? >> that is correct.

>> and depending upon your perspective, correct, that appears that that could have been urine coming from the body of mr. floyd? >> yes, sir. >> but we can see, based on this, that that was actually probably condensation from a running squad car, correct? >> yes, sir. >> that's common when a squad car is running, air conditioning, whatnot, condensation drips from the muffler or exhaust system? >> yes, sir. >> you would agree that that's what that trail of liquid appears to be? >> yes circumstances. >> i have nothing further other than the discussion we need to have about an exhibit.

>> with the hybrid, would the -- figuring out how to say this right. would the air conditioning run with just the battery and not the gas engine? >> yes, it would. >> and you were asked to look at a short clip and asked, i'm assuming for the very first time, what mr. floyd said there. >> yes, sir. >> were you asked about what the officers said beforehand? >> no. >> have you ever had to listen to that piece of audio and figure out what mr. floyd was

saying? >> i have not, no. >> so that was an exercise that mr. nelson asked you to do for the first time sitting there? >> yes, sir. >> without reviewing the conversation beforehand? >> yes, sir. >> you were asked about the moment it appears mr. chauvin's right knee is on mr. floyd's back, just before he gets up? >> yes. >> in that, did you notice whether mr. floyd's shirt moved? >> yes, it appeared to move. >> from what? >> from mr. chauvin's knee. >> you were asked to describe this as an unusual case because the investigation kept going on while there was a court process. >> yes. >> is it the typical process

then when you investigate a case to hand it over and then be done with it and never work on it again? >> no. >> when you turn over investigation, is it common to continue working on that investigation throughout the court process? >> yes. >> have you ever, in your career, conducted investigations sent to a charging authority, sorry, my work is done on the case, i'm not going to work on this any further? >> no. >> in fact, some of the ongoing investigation you did was at the request that the defense raised. >> that's correct. >> i'm referring, to be clear -- i don't want to misrepresent anything. but based on the defense attorney seeing that pill in the vehicle? >> correct. >> and what mr. knellon is asking, you're not saying in any way that they put that pill there?

>> no. >> that's all i have, your honor. >> anything further? >> are you a car mechanic? >> no, sir. >> do you have a hybrid vehicle? >> no, sir. >> you understand this car has an engine, internal combustion engine that runs on gasoline and battery, correct? >> yes, sir. >> whether the vehicle was running on the battery or the gas engine on may 25th, 2020, you would have no way of knowing, correct? >> correct. >> no further questions. >> we'll give everyone a ten-minute break to discuss this issue? >> if you don't mind, your honor. >> members of the jury, we'll give you a ten-minute break while we discuss. we can convene at this point. good afternoon to you.

i'm geoff bennett in for my friend ayman mohyeldin. we've been watching day eight of the murder trial of police officer derek chauvin. i want to bring in shaquille brewster. we also have with us retired captain pruitt and melanie price. shaq, we'll start with you. bring us up to speed on what we just heard. >> you continue to hear the prosecution bring out their witnesses and hear these witnesses testify. i think one thing that you heard in that last testimony right there, this was a lead investigator. the person in charge of the chain of custody of that car. you heard some of the back and forth, especially in the redirect and then when eric nelson came back up to recross examine the witness. the defense, back in january, the attorneys of the four officers, went back to that squad car and found some pills essentially, chewed-up pills that they then took to the lab and realized it was a controlled

substance. and you heard eric nelson cleaning it up and just removing any doubt that the defense attorneys happened to plant those pills there. and that's what that language was there. essentially, the investigators missed it on their first attempt to process the scene, process that vehicle. and when the defense attorneys and their team found that pill, they're essentially saying what we found was kosher. and the significance of that pill came in some pretrial motions we had there. that was a little bit of the back and forth that you heard there. but what we're continuing to hear is the focus on the use of force training. you heard that with the sergeant, the expert witness that the prosecution brought up. we heard that extensive cross examination from eric nelson. you continue to get the idea that the prosecution is trying to say that the use of force that derek chauvin exerted on that day, on may 25th, was excessive, was not what a reasonable officer would do and you get the idea that eric nelson, in his defense, is

trying to continue to poke holes in that, that there are different circumstances and instances in which certain elements of that force might be appropriate. and that's what you're kind of hearing as we are listening to this testimony now, geoff. >> and, captain pruitt, taking a larger view of this trial, we have heard extensive testimony from derek chauvin's police colleagues, police chief, trainers, supervisors, all of whom have said in various ways his use of force was excessive and chauvin has extensive training, policy and knowledge of that. what has been the compound impact of all of that testimony? have you ever seen a trial where so many police officials testify effectively against a former officer? >> i have never seen a trial where so many police officials testified against their peers, against fellow police officers. and this is really, really significant.

for me, as former law enforcement, it's difficult to watch. it's difficult to watch, because i know what the expectations are of the police. i know what we -- when we took an oath that we swore to uphold certain values, certain principles. but we must bear witness to this, because it's really important outside of what actually happens in the adjudication of this case. this can also drive and inform police issues such as a national consistent policy for use of force. the importance of this case is going to go beyond the actual verdict, but again we don't want to minimize that either, because it's going to be really, really important what happens in terms of derek chauvin, because the people are -- you can't tell them, this is my lying eyes. they see what they see on the video. and they want him to be held

accountable. >> melanie price, professor at prairie view. before they took the break, at the end of that exchange, we heard the defense try to bring up george floyd's drug usage. earlier in the questioning we heard them suggest that the crowd of bystanders presented some sort of threat that really called into question derek chauvin's response. what do you think the defense is getting at? and how is that resonating? >> i think today we learned that the defense is going to make the argument that basically black people with a bad attitude on the corner made chauvin feel like he was threatened. george floyd, with a bad attitude, who was handcuffed and pressed to the ground, made derek chauvin feel like he was threatened. because all of these black people were advocating for someone who was losing their life in front of their very eyes, because he felt threatened by those people, it's why he never pulled his knee off george

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days. navalny has been given an mri and doctors found he has two herniated disks. what's interesting here, doctors didn't provide navalny with the actual mri results themselves or any official medical documentation, but simply told him what the diagnosis was. they are now going through the legal motions to try to get access to those documents directly, probably so they can show it to navalny's personal doctors and their medical people. now, while this was going on, navalny said he's starting to lose sensation in his two hands as well. so, that's in addition to the already excruciating back pain that he has been telling us about in every letter for the past several weeks, but also his inability to use his right leg, pain in his right leg and, of course, he also said that was spreading into his left leg. navalny still in a pretty serious situation, it sounds. but the mri appears to be some

kind of step forward. now, he also did say that there is some slight silver lining here. he was running a temperature when we heard from him last on monday. he wrote in his letter then that he was running a temperature of about 100 degrees and coughing, amid an apparent tuberculosis outbreak in the colony. his temperature appears to be dropping but his lawyers say he's not entirely out of the wood ons that one. >> matt bodner will continue to monitor that story. we're keeping an eye on the courtroom in minneapolis. we'll take you back there when it resumes. meantime, president biden is ratcheting up pressure on lawmakers to work with him on his $2 trillion infrastructure plan. we're live on capitol hill with how that's resonating. we'll be right back. resonating. we'll be right back.

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infrastructure took center stage at the white house today as president biden made another pitch for his $2 trillion plan to fix america's infrastructure. he responded to republican criticism and said that he would be willing to negotiate with republican members of congress. the president also framed the plan in terms of the survival of america's form of government. take a look at this. >> they're counting on american democracy to be too slow, too limited and too divided to keep pace. you've heard me say it before. i think this generation will be marked by the competition between democracies and autocracies, because the world is changing so rapidly. >> and joining us now is nbc news capitol hill correspondent leann caldwell and jonathan lamier, nbc political analyst.

jonathan, president biden today, in delivering remarks about his infrastructure plan, responded to a question from our colleague, kristen welker. he said he's willing to negotiate with republicans and willing to find compromise where there might be some. give us your response on what the president and members of his team are doing behind the scenes to get this thing over the line. >> well, first of all, geoff, you're right that certainly this is a big vision. the sound bite you played from the president is such. he believes this infrastructure program in the trillions of dollars is also a jobs program and more than just what we think in terms of highways and roads. he believes it's necessary to revitalize the economy and get america's house in order, as i wrote this week, to prove to the world that democracy can still work and deliver for their citizens and blunt the rise of autocracies like china. in terms of getting it passed, white house aides are suggesting

they're more willing to compromise than they were with that covid relief bill signed into law last month. they're doing in a slightly less accelerated timetable they want to work with congress. republican and democrat voice as like to try to get this done, even though there might not be much gop support for tax increase, they believe they can find some sort of common ground. they hope to have made a lot of progress by memorial day and get this done by the end of the summer. we're already hearing about phone calls back and forth between the white house and the hill. there will be a lot of legislative outreach. the president said he would invite republicans back over to the white house. as much as they would like this to be a bipartisan bill, they know if they have to get it done via reconciliation, democrats only, they will. >> and, leann, one of the president's closest allies, delaware democratic senator chris coons suggested that it could this package could get republican votes only if it's smaller.

here is what he had to say. take a look. >> i do think there is an opportunity here for us to come together around a smaller package. by smaller, i mean hundreds of billions of dollars that is directly targeted at hard infrastructure. several fairly seasoned senior republicans have surprised me by saying they would be willing to vote for something up to $1 trillion and they're willing to raise some taxes to pay for it. >> the so truth squad for us, leann, does that track with your own reporting? do you think congress could move on this by memorial day, just a few weeks from now? >> well, senator coons said there are some republicans who will be willing to spend up to $1 trillion on infrastructure. i've actually spoken to a couple of those, including senator kevin cramer of north dakota, but i've not heard republicans say that they're willing to raise taxes. so, there is still a big divide between the republicans and the democrats on this issue of

infrastructure, even though some democrats do want to work across the aisle or at least look like they are working across the aisle to get some sort of, perhaps, bipartisan component. but, geoff, we're also hearing from republicans today who are deriding how the biden administration and democrats are defining infrastructure. they say, including senate minority leader mitch mcconnell, said he defining infrastructure as roads, bridges, broadband, traditional forms of infrastructure and that the biden administration's definition of infrastructure is much too broad. and so that is something that we are going to hear repeatedly from republicans while democrats are saying they want to reach across the aisle. if they can't even agree on what infrastructure is, it's going to be very difficult to do that. geoff? >> and, leigh ann, while we have

you, i want to talk about "the new york times" reporting that matt gaetz, florida republican congressman who faces allegations of sex trafficking involving a minor, that gaetz asked the trump white house for a blanket pardon in the final weeks of trump's presidency. trump and gaetz, both of their offices responded today. give us a sense of what they had to say. >> geoff, that's right. so the gaetz office did respond. they just pointed to a statement from the former president, who said today that representative gaetz never asked him for a pardon. he says it must also be remembered that he has totally denied the accusations against him, is what former president donald trump says. so the office of representative gaetz is not going beyond that at this point. and, of course, they are denying all the allegations against him. but representative gaetz is

continuing to fight. he has insisted he will not resign. in fact, he is speaking at an event at a trump property this weekend on friday. so he very much is going to be and continue to be in the public eye and going to continue to fight this. geoff? >> and, jonathan, you've also got this other trump ally, andrew giuliani, son of former new york mayor rudy giuliani. he told "the washington examiner" today that he is going to run for governor of new york next year. you've got other republicans who say they want to take on andrew cuomo. how active will donald trump be in these party fights, and how effective do you think he's going to be? >> oh, boy. we'll see about andrew giuliani's candidacy. i think we should characterize this simply as a rumor at the moment. you know, of course, the son of former new york city mayor, who was the president's attorney

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we're going to return to the chauvin trial. let's listen in. [ indistinct chatter ] >> the record should reflect we played through 20:21:10 with the quote you were asked appearing at 20:21:01. >> yes. >> having heard it in context, are you able to tell what mr. floyd is saying there? >> yes, i believe he was saying i ain't do no drugs. >> that's a little different than what you were asked about when you saw a portion of the video, correct? >> yes, sir. >> and then to clarify what we

did earlier, appeared that i had inverted a couple of exhibit numbers, correct? >> yes. >> we now have straightened that out. exhibits 53 and 54. are both parts of the video. you have seen those. they are, in fact, what was obtained, correct? >> correct. >> and also exhibit 55, is that a portion of the dragon walk video as well? >> yes. >> and so, your honor, just to be clear, what we initially offered as exhibit 54 should be exhibit 53 and we will clarity offer exhibits 53, 55 and 54. >> any objection to any of those? >> no, your honor. >> i don't intend to publish that at this time, your honor. >> which one are you going to publish? >> we are not going to publish.

>> not going to. okay, thank you.

>> your honor, i am requesting permission to publish a portion of exhibit 55. agent ryerson, you've had an opportunity to review the dragon walks surveillance video? >> yes, sir. >> there's portions of the video where mr. floyd is present, correct? >> yes, sir. >> it shows various interactions. but after mr. floyd leaves, there are interactions between other people walking past. the camera continues to run the same perspective. >> correct. >> i would ask for permission to publish exhibit 55, starting at the time stamped 2:03:8.48.

agent ryerson, i'm going to ask you to watch the area of the vehicle and the passengers in the vehicles. >> yes, sir. >> were you able to see -- >> yes, sir. >> what does it appear that that individual does? >> the individual in the red hat are you referring to? >> yes. >> appears as though he throws something. >> he is looking initially through the vehicle looking in the area of the police officers. correct? >> it appears that way. >> reaches into the backpack and retrieves something in. >> yes. >> it appears that he throws it off to the right shoulder.

right? >> that's correct. >> appeared to go some distance away? >> yes, sir. >> would that be consistent with someone trying to get rid of something they don't want the police to find? >> could be, yes. >> i have no further questions. >> anything further? >> all right. thank you, agent. >> your honor. >> you are excused from your subpoena. thank you. >> your honor, the state -- >> we are back with the panel now. we have retired captain sonja pruitt and professor of political science melanie price, the author of "the race whisperer." captain pruitt, can you put into greater context what we saw in that courtroom, what the defense and prosecution were trying to

achieve with the questioning of agent ryerson who led the investigation into this case? >> i'm going to admit some frustration right now. and it occurred to me that i am greatly frustrated as soon as the defense counsel finished asking questions it seems that the defense's whole case is based on making it look like mr. floyd and whoever he was with was responsible for his death. a big aggressive black man and ate too many drugs and the video doesn't see everything and sometimes it looks really bad but sometimes it is bad and in this case it is bad because a man lost his life after someone, an employee of cup foods, called because of a counterfeit $20

bill. that should not be a death sentence. that is the basis of my frustration why all of this dog whistle and making it look like some sort of a big scary back man thing. i think that the prosecution is doing a good job coming behind the defense counsel and trying to tamp down those things but again, if i'm a juror i am equally as frustrated as a regular citizen watching right now. >> earlier in the day we heard testimony from a sergeant from the lapd and hired by the prosecution and he said that for most police departments what constitutes reasonable force depends on the situation. can you walk us through the factors and what constitutes reasonable force? >> it is really interesting. the supreme court in all of the case law that's occurred because

of supreme court cases they believe that reasonableness standard up to the police officer. what would a reasonable police officer do? but we are finding now that sometimes police officers are not reasonable. right? but we can all be assured of one thing. this tutorial that the country and the world by watching this trial have had about the use of force is that you don't need to use anymore than is completely necessary to have the person under a control or arrested. after that, it is generally excessive and that duty to render care comes into play and in this particular situation that did not happen and i'm glad that the prosecution is continually hitting on that point. >> melanie price, almost a year after the killing of george floyd a question to you in the realm of the work that you do.

police departments across the country now certainly know better but are they doing better to combat racial bias, in terms of combatting excessive use of force? >> i think this is where the case is interesting because having all of the police officers testify against chauvin is to say that if the rules were done correctly george floyd would be alive but we know that there are all kinds of things that police officers shouldn't do. shouldn't racially profile. shouldn't treat people differently because of the community they live in and against policy and police officers do them. there will have to be a conversation about not just the policies but about how police officers are implementing them on the ground and how african-americans and other groups experience them because this distinction is something

that black people have been complaining about aboutpolice for years and this might be a movement in getting a police officer actually convicted for the things that he's done that's been against policy. >> rejoining us now from outside the courthouse is correspondent shaquelle brewster. wrap up the day for us. what did we learn? >> reporter: i want to clean one thing up because this is something i reported and played a clip of that phrase, that video claiming that the prosecution came up and played what they said was an extended version of that video. earlier in the day you saw nelson play that 10-second clip and asked one of the sergeants, the sergeant from lapd, he said what did you hear george floyd say and did you hear he him i ate too many drugs? the sergeant said that's what i believe i heard and then the

longer clip he modified that and the testimony to saying that he hear george floyd i ain't do no drugs. that's a significant difference that you saw there and i think that goes to the different strategy it is see from both sides where the prosecution is focused on the use of force the moments that george floyd was unresponsive, pulseless under the knee of derek chauvin but the defense making a part of the argument the part of drugs and a witness talking about they talked about one of the witnesses throwing something out so you get a sense of the two different strategies there, geoff. >> shaq, that's an important clarification. nbc's shaquelle brewster, sonja pruitt and melanie price, my thank yous. msnbc will keep an eye on the developments in the courtroom and "deadline white house" starts right after this quick break.

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