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♪♪ ♪♪ ♪ good day from msnbc world headquarters in new york. i'm lindsay reiser in for alex witt. breaking news this hour from london. moments ago, prince charles speaking out about the passing of his father, prince philip. it's the first time we're hearing from the royal family publicly about the 99-year-old's death. here is that statement in its entirely. >> i particularly wanted to say that my father, i suppose over the last 70 years, has given the most remarkable, devoted service to the queen, to my family and to the country, and also to the whole of the commonwealth, and as you can imagine, my family and i miss my father enormously. he was a much-loved and

appreciated figure, and apart from anything else, i can imagine and we are so deeply touched by the number of other people here and elsewhere around the world in the commonwealth who also, i think, share our loss and our sorrow, and my dear papa was a very special person who i think above all else would have been amazed by the reaction and the touching things said about him and from that point of view, my family are deeply grateful for all of that. it will sustain us in this particular loss and at this particularly sad time. thank you. >> that is the statement in its entirety. the other big headline that broke in the last hour, prince harry says he will attend his grandfather's funeral. covering the breaking developments for us, nbc

correspondents, kelly cobiella and raf sanchez and daisy mcandrew and we will begin with kelly cobiella outside buckingham palace. i'm not sure if you were hearing the video message at the same time that we were. what struck me most was when he said my dear papa, at the end of the day this is a family who husband lost one of their own. >> very much so. you can hear it in prince charles' voice, that sadness, a son grieving and a son in mourning. this is the next king of the united kingdom, a man who has been groomed for this position, who has been molded for this job, for this life by the father that he is now deeply grieving and he is in a position now not only as a grieving son, but also as a man who has to sort of take the reins as head of state in place of his mother as she

grieves the loss of her partner of 73 years addressing the nation, telling them that all of their well wishes are noted and deeply, deeply appreciated, and you can see that outpouring here at buckingham palace. we've seen it, a steady stream of people over the past 24 hours plus now coming out to pay their respects and also to offer their heartfelt sympathies for the queen and for the rest of the family. take a listen to what some people are saying. >> we don't live too far. so we just walked and thought it be a nice chance to pay respect to a man who did such a great thing for this country. >> just paying respects for the royal family, and he did a lot with charity for the commonwealth. he was the consort for the queen. he faced so much criticism and

he handled it spectacularly and to me he was the image of the monarchy and the image of the stability and it's a big loss that i think everyone is going to suffer. >> i thought it was touching, as well to hear prince charles that all of those thoughts and those sentiments and they were hearing over and over again out here will sustain the family in this deeply sad time for them. lindsay? >> quite a big crowd behind you gathering there even into the evening hours there local time. kelly cobiella, thank you. we turn to raf sanchez at windsor castle at the site of a growing memorial. we are learning more about the funeral arrangements. what can you tell us? >> lindsay, this is going to be a very different funeral to what would have happened before the covid pandemic. the entire funeral will happen behind closed doors and behind the walls of windsor castle. the public will not be able to attend in any form and only 30 guests are going to be inside of

st. george's chapel once prince philip is laid to rest. palace officials say the funeral service will take place in line with covid guidelines. that may mean members of the royal family wearing masks as they gather in the pews of st. george's chapel. prince harry will also have to contend with those covid guidelines when he flies back from california. he is going to have to quarantine for a minimum of five days which means either he needs to set off tomorrow in order to be out of quarantine in time for the funeral here on saturday or else take advantage of a compassionate grounds exemption in the quarantine rules which would mean he is in quarantine and able to leave briefly to attend his grandfather's funeral and then go back into quarantine again. you can imagine, lindsay, this would have been a massive national event in normal times, but it will be a much smaller,

more scaled back event because of covid. palace officials insist very much in line with what he wanted. >> he wanted something more subdued, but 30 guest, wow. raf sanchez, thank you. >> joining us is daisy mcandrew. what did you make of the video message from prince charles? >> it was very important for prince charles to make that statement. some people might have thought it would have been the queen. most of us who put ourselves in her position with some sort of empathy, no, fair enough, it should be charles, but there was a message there. charles is now the future of the monarchy. obviously, the queen will not give up the throne any time soon and now that her husband has died and we will see a natural progression with him taking on a few more responsibilities if not in an official capacity and

that's what we saw in the beginning of today. i thought it was very touching and i thought it was nice and precise, not too long, as you mentioned and as he called his father papa. he calls his mother the queen. we are used to that, the formality and the informality of him calling prince philip papa i thought was very touching and there was a tradition within the royal family that they don't just call each other mom and dad. they have all sorts of different names like pops and grandpa wales is what prince charles is called by prince william and kate's children, and. pa is a very traditional one and clearly said with some emotion. >> i picked up on that, too, and we are talking about the queen here, but she just lost her husband of more than 70 years. any word on how she's doing today since we haven't seen her? >> there's no official word. clearly, there is no surprise

that the man of 99 has died. it would be ludicrous for us to say this is a tragedy or has taken people by surprise. oh, my goodness, this is the end of an era. we knew it was coming and we've known for the last ten years it was coming and it doesn't mean it's any less of a weird feeling when it finally arrivis and think we've all had that in our private lives it and particularly with the royal family. most of us in our private lives are not good at planning and they have been planning for this for years and years and years. they knew exactly what happened. covid came along and ripped up all of those plans and as raf was saying, there will be 30 people and i was jotting down on nigh notebook and that's the immediate family and because he's so old, he has children, grandchildren and eight grand-children and he has eight grandchildren and ten grandchildren. if you count those up that gets

you to 30. i'm not suggesting for a minute that the little babies and children would be there, that would be stupid, but it does show you how few cousins and wider family will be there, let alone prime ministers, presidents, leaders from all around the country as you normally would expect, archbishops and rabbis, none are going to be there and i have a suspicion that will be somewhat of a relief. >> one of the people that will be there is prince harry. we were talking about will they or won't they? it appears meghan markle will stay behind. she is pregnant with their second child, but what do you make of the decision for harry to go sans meghan, and i believe we have the pretty brief statement that they put up on their archwell website in response to prince philip's passing. >> those two issues and the brief statement that they put up basically said he will be

missed. >> we are showing you right now. in loving memory of prince philip. you will be greatly missed. we thought, is that it? it was kind of, like, cheers. thanks. in reflection and in talking to people, what were they supposed to do? if they had issued a long, gushing statement it might have looked like they were trying to steal the limelight a little bit. so i do think they have a difficult line to tread. >> such a delicate balance. >> such a delicate balance. they're damned if they do, they're damned if they don't so i have some sympathy there, and again on the -- whether they were coming to the funeral or not, this is going to sound cynical and apologies, the fact that meghan's pregnant is quite convenient because after everything that's happened in the last few weeks, if she had turned up she would have taken not through any choice of her

own just because of what's happened, a lot of the limelight and it all would have been about the body language and all the rest of it. the fact that she has applausible reason not to go is probably a good thing and to be honest, when i was five months' pregnant, flying across the states to the uk to go to my step grandfather's funeral it wouldn't have been at the top of my priorities. >> and that wasn't in a pandemic, i presume. >> and it wasn't a pandemic. this is probably the best outcome and that's not to say that all eyes won't be on harry. we know they will be on harry and they'll be on the body language with harry and william and so far and so forth and this is probably not a bad outcome. >> we will be watching for that. we invite you to watch complete coverage of prince philip's funeral here on msnbc reports. turning to the other headlines developing today. infrastructure is set to take

center stage as congress returns to washington. president biden will meet with both sides of the aisle as he tries to sell his $2 trillion american jobs plan. debbie stabenow told msnbc he doesn't think they'll have trouble selling it to americans. i've been all over michigan, and nobody is saying, gee, this sounds like too much. they're saying how fast can you get it going? they also know that all of this construction, no matter what it is is tens of millions of good-paying jobs. meanwhile, the vote is in. amazon warehouse workers in bessemer, alabama, overwhelmingly choosing not to form a union. if it had been approved the labor union would have been the first in the u.s. for amazon. senator bernie sanders who visited the workers himself reacted on ali velshi earlier today. >> all they wanted was the opportunity to sit down and

negotiate better wages, better work wog conditions and bezos and the company spent a huge amount of money to defeat that effort. and that tells me that among many other things, we need strong pro-labor legislation which says that workers in america must have the constitutional right to form a union. >> and embattled congressman matt gaetz speaks publicly for the first time since reports surfaced of an ongoing doj investigation about potential sex trafficking and he's deny anything wrongdoing and fought the allegations last night. >> i'm built for the battle, and i'm not going anywhere. the smears against me range from distortions of my personal life to wild -- and i mean wild conspiracy theories. >> congressman gaetz is now

facing another probe. the house ethics committee is opening up an investigation into allegations of sexual misconduct against him. amanda golden joins me from the capitol. what will this probe look like? >> lindsay, we're getting a sense of what the scope of the investigation will be from the house ethics committee as they hone in on sexual misconduct and illicit drug use. the committee is aware of public allegations that representative matt gaetz may have engaged in sexual misconduct and shared inappropriate videos and converted campaign funds to personal use and/or accepted a bribe, improper grat youity violation of the standards of conduct. they will look into these potential charges and note just because they're looking into

this doesn't mean there is a violation at play. he is vehemently denying any wrongdoing issuing yet another statement in light of the house ethics committee saying, quote, once again the office will reiterate these allegations are blatantly false and have not been validated by a single human being willing to put their name behind them. this comes as not many republican lawmakers are speaking out in support of congressman gaetz and at least one gop lawmaker that is saying he should resign his seat entirely and that's congressman adam kinzinger who said he should quit congress as a whole in light of the allegations and he's pretty much alone in that sense and we've heard from a couple of republican lawmakers saying they're vocal defenders of him including marjorie taylor-greene and president biden who issued a statement saying he was never asked by gaetz for a blanket pardon. i want you to take a listen to what one congressman said who sits on the house judiciary committee in light of these

continued speculations and scandal. >> it's a tragedy for him and a tragedy for the united states congress, but particularly for the republican caucus. i think he should resign, but that's up to him to decide. i think he's much like trump in that he will not probably resign because he'll fight it to the end. >> and house leadership, minority leader kevin mccarthy has said that while gaetz continues to deny these claims he feels that they are serious and if they prove to be true he will be stripped at least of committee assignments if not of something else, but gaetz is doubling down saying he denies any wrongdoing and he's not going anywhere and has hired a crisis communications firm and brought on additional legal counsel from white collar criminal defense attorneys who had ties to president biden and one of them is currently representing trump in an ongoing battle over some of his ongoing probes and issues there for investigations that are continuing and one of those

attorneys have a continued relationship with former president biden as now congressman gaetz is continuing to battle these claims and not backing down in any sense. >> amanda golden on capitol hill. coming up this hour, i'll speak with congresswoman katie hill. she's calling him out for invoking her name in his defense. in the derek chauvin trial americans are witnessing the blue wall of silence crumbling, but how much impact will police testimony ultimately have on the jury's verdict and on policing in america. ca whoo-hoo! great tasting ensure with 9 grams of protein, 27 vitamins and minerals, and nutrients to support immune health.

now to new developments on the border situation with a number of crossings surging to new heights. msnbc is getting a first-hand look at the crisis in central america and how worsening conditions spurred by climate change and the pandemic are causing the record number of people to flee their homes.

msnbc's ayman mohyeldin is joining us from guatemala. what are you seeing there? >> reporter: good afternoon, lindsay. you talked about two of the important economic factors that are driving this surge that we're starting to see on the u.s. border and we wanted to see first hand how this com flex cocktail of issues is forcing people to leave places like guatemala and really, one of those places that really captures that is here at this soup kitchen run by franciscan friars. it's one of the few soup kitchens that is actually open on saturdays and about 50 or so people have lined up. they serve anywhere from 50 to 100 people throughout the course of the morning. people lining up to get their hands on very basic food items. today's menu included some rice, soup with meat as well as some oat milk, but the more important thing is the stories that you hear from the people here. why they are coming to places like this, why they need that help and in a city like

guatemala city, the driving force has been a cocktail of the pandemic forcing people to lose their jobs. we spoke to one teacher today whose school was shut down. she lost her job and she came here with two of her three children just to get some food and then went to a nearby street corner to sell candy in order to make some money to be able to pay her rent. the other underlying factor that you were talking about was the climate change and how that has fueled what we are seeing happen on the u.s. border, particularly because the economic situation in many of the farmlands around guatemala city and elsewhere in the country has become so dire, people are forced to leave. we spoke to one expert who said this is a structural problem. the government is not doing enough to provide basic services like education, like health care, like security to make people want to stay here and that's part of the reason why the biden administration says the solution to what's happening on the u.s.-mexico border begins in trying to solve some of the challenges here.

we had a chance to speak to a guatemalan man yesterday who talked about how the pandemic is making the situation not only difficult for him, but also for his family who is in the united states. take a listen. [ speaking foreign language ] >> so the bottom line, lindsay, it is a desperate and dire situation compounded by both a lack of good governance as well as climate change and now the pandemic. we'll have a chance to pose some of these questions to the guatemalan president when we interview him on monday about what his government wants to see from the united states and more importantly, what he's doing to try to address the situation here. some of the experts say corruption is a major source of the problem. the government is not doing

enough to provide these basic services and at the same time is failing to fulfill its obligations to the citizens of guatemala and that's why they are forced to seek shelter and then seek a life elsewhere like the united states. lindsay? >> it is so important to get the facts on the ground, to inform our decisions here at home. ayman, thank you so much. new details in the derek chauvin trial. newspapers focus on the cause of george floyd's death and the medical examiner's finding of homicide. a parade of police officers gave testimony against their former colleague in the first ten days of the trial. among them was minneapolis police chief madera arradondo. >> i did not observe mr. floyd to be actively aggressive during that short video. >> could you even say that he was passively resisting at that time that you were shown those exhibits? >> no. as a matter of fact, as i saw that video, i didn't even know

if mr. floyd was alive at the time. >> and here's new reaction from texas congresswoman sheila jackson-lee. >> they wore their uniform. they were not hiding, let me just put on a shirt and a pants. they came boldly letting us know what america really stands for. do you know the world is watching? do you know the world is not used to the military and/or police going against the government or themselves? look what george floyd did. >> joining us right now is carmen best, the retired police chief of seattle. she is now an msnbc law enforcement analyst. so, chief, what is your reaction here to all of these officers who we saw making a statement, showing up in uniform? >> like everyone, i am glad to see that people come forward and particularly the officers and really just tell the truth

particularly chief medaria arradondo. it is very unusual for a chief to come forward in this manner and testify against one of his officers and other subject matter experts and officers coming forward, but the fact of the matter is what happened and what they saw was so gregious and so outside of policy that everyone felt compelled to come forward. it certainly represents a turning or a change of what some people would call the thin blue line when officers come forward in this manner very clearly stating all of the policy violations and all of the training violations that were not adhered to by former officer chauvin. >> let's pick up on what you said. a majority of the testimony suggested that chauvin's actions were not consistent with training and let's listen to the use of force instructor.

>> sir, is this an mpd neck restraint? >> no, sir. >> the subject was under control and handcuffed would this be authorized? >> i would say no. >> you said it may be some other training. >> perhaps. >> what would that training be? >> using body weight to control. however, i will add that we don't -- we tell officers to stay away from the neck when possible. >> chief, in your opinion is any ambiguity here on how far an officer should go or can go? >> i can tell you this, i don't know an agency anywhere in the country where it would be okay to leave your knee across the back or the neck of a person who is not resisting. i think it is very clear that george floyd was not resisting at that time and that the former officer left his knee on his neck and back as we know for over nine minutes, and i can't

think of a place where that would be okay. force has to be moderated. it has to meet the resistance that the officers that are engaging with the subject are seeing or witnessing or engaged in and in this case it simply wasn't there and all of the world had seen that he was on his back prone -- not his stomach, prone, handcuffed and so the level of threat there and the force that was used, it was completely outside of any policy or anything i'd ever seen before. >> we also have new reaction to the volume of police testimony in this case from a former lapd sergeant who spoke with my colleague tiffany cross. >> but for mr. floyd having died, derek chauvin would, and they get no brownie points for damage control. they've paid the family $27

million. the first call he made when he saw the real video was chauvin is at it again. >> do you agree with nah. >> >> i think it is very important to look at the history and record of every officer. she makes a very clear point here. look, he has a long history and we recognize everybody gets due process. it would have been great if they had decided that 19 incidents was too many. very clearly, but at the end of the day, the officers and the chief came forward and i don't believe it was just damage control. they legitimately are saying that, look, what we're seeing here is excessive. it's too much and they are just reiterating that fact. >> chief best so good to speak with you today. thank you for joining us on this. >> katie hill joins me next to talk about her former colleague matt gaetz and the question she

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now to the latest on the coronavirus pandemic. there are currently more than 31 million covid cases in the u.s. the governor of michigan is under immense pressure to curb the surge of cases in her state. officials are reporting more than 7,000 new infections each day, but governor witmer is not planning to enforce new restrictions and instead she wants to rely on individual responsibility. >> one in five americans are fully vaccinated and a third of the population has received one shot. that brings the total of more than 178 million doses administered and pfizer is asking the fda to e pand expand emergency use of their vaccine to people age 12 to 15. it is authorized for children as young as 16. now to the growing fallout

surrounding congressman matt gaetz, the florida lawmaker is under investigation by the house ethics committee as he faces allegations of being involved in sex trafficking and having a relationship with an underaged girl. gaetz has denied the allegations and has not been charged. the investigation is ongoing and it comes as one of gaetz's former colleagues katie hill who stepped down from congress in 2019 is now calling on gaetz to do the same. in an op ed for "vanity fair," she says if there is a fraction of truth he should resign immediately. joining me is katie hill and author of the book "she will rise." thank you so much for being with us today. what is your reaction to these reports and to gaetz's response to the allegations? >> look, i think i want to believe the best in everybody, but when you see more and more reports coming out with a pattern of bad behavior and a pattern of increasingly

problematic issues, then it's very hard to deny, right? i think that we -- if it's a one off we can kind of say okay, let's wait for the facts to come out and let's wait for the investigation, but when you see more and more of it, it's just deeply concerning, and i think the fact that he's doubling down and pulling straight from the trump handbook of deny and refuse to resign, refuse to take any type of accountability, it's not surprising. it's a very male thing to do. it's a very gop thing to do, you know, i hope ultimately accountability happens, and i think ted liu made's very important point that he shouldn't be overseeing a department currently investigating him. >> you write about your unlikely friendship with gaetz during your time in the house and you said matt was the first member of congress who unapologetically defended me. while i made mistakes i was a victim of the circumstance, at

one of the darkest moments of my life, matt stood up for me and that really mattered. >> gaetz shared photos and videos of naked women and msnbc has not confirmed these report, and he engaged in the very practice he defended with you from, how have the latest revelations been sitting with you. >> that's the part the 17-year-old girl part is abhorrent and unacceptable, but that's one that i was hoping that it wasn't true and hoping that it could be proven to be false, but once i heard the piece about multiple lawmakers coming forward and saying that he was showing nude photos on the house floor that one just raised every hair on my body because i was, you know, that was what i experienced, right? the non-consensual sharing of intimate images and that's what we found on her time is we've been trying to get legislation passed that would criminalize

exactly that, that would criminalize the nonconsensual sharing of images known as revenge porn and the fact that he defended me from the very thing that he's likely been perpetrating is disgusting and i don't want any association and it made me question his motives for defending me in the first place. but we are going to have to do something about this is to first of all, make it not normal in any way, shape or form for these photos to be shared. that's not a cool thing that you can go and brag to your friends about who you slept with and it's certainly not something that can happen on the national scale with the media or anything like that, and you know, we're seeing through the lawsuit that i'm fighting with "the daily mail," we have to change the laws for this to actually be outlawed. >> we'll get to that lawsuit in a second. this is something potentially taking place within the halls of congress and he says in his defense in his op ed with the washington examiner, he says i'm

not a monk. i'm a congressman. you can have sex with any consenting adult that you want, i don't care, but you definitely can't have sex with minors and you can't share images of people who don't know that you're sharing it. it's just that simple. it doesn't seem that it should be a controversial statement to say any of those things. i have a particular abhorrence for the men he shared those photos with who kept that to themselves instead of going to ethics and reporting it anonymously to cnn or whoever they did and not actually coming forward and saying who they are and say this happened, and i should have come forward sooner, but i'm putting my name behind it now. >> there was an ethics investigation launched five days after rumors were swirling around about what was going on in your life and here, it took twice the amount of time? >> i was shocked by that -- how long it took and it was the day after i said something on, i

think, this channel that the ethics investigation actually opened on matt gaetz and i was happy to see that. i know that the ethics committee when there is a criminal investigation going on they tend to leave that separate, but the allegations around the sharing of photos on the house floor had nothing to do with the criminal complaints that were under investigation and yeah, i do think there is a double standard. i don't know, you know, i don't know how many times it has to play out that men are held to different standards or where we say, well, that's what they do as compared to women, and you know, i think my reaction and my inclination of stepping down when i did was in large part due to the standards that we hold ourselves to. i didn't want to be a person who was fighting for my seat or fighting for my job when i felt i had people down and i had made the wrong choices and i needed to atone for that. >> all right. i wish men felt the same way. >> we'll have much more that i

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on "politics nation" only on msnbc. president joe biden is starting a commission on expanding the supreme court. this comes as the push to add more seats to balance out the conservative majority and the rulings they could have on americans. joining me is jeffrey rosen president of the national constitution center and law professor at g.w. law school. thank you very much for being with us. who has the president recruited to be a part of this commission and what is he hoping to accomplish over the next 180 days. >> it is chaired by bob bauer and christina rodriguez from the yale law school and the purpose according to the white house is to analyze all of the arguments for and against the supreme court reform and to issue a report in six months so they have 180 days. they can take comments from the public and after six months they're supposed to come up with

a summary and make recommendations to the president. >> the white house describes it as a bipartisan group of experts and how do we know that they're impartial and have the perception of that to the american public? >> well, it is a balanced group. some are well-known progressives who supported court reform including professor larry tribe, for example, and conservative scholars what are likely to oppose court reform and that's why progressives say this is not going to be a mandate for change. the bottom line, though, of course, is that the commission isn't going to have any power. it can just make a recommendation and it is up to congress to decide what to do, and in congress, you would have to eliminate the filibuster in order to change the size of the supreme court and in light of evidence that that's not going to happen any time soon and a proposal to reform the court may not lead to an immediate change. >> forgive a cynical question,

if nothing were to happen with filibuster reform and it doesn't appear to be on the table, what impact can this commission potentially have? >> that's a good question. president biden hasn't told us exactly what he thinks about this. at some point he opposed court reform, and this was a time when other progressive voices opposing court reform including justice stephen briar that the supreme court depends on trust and guided by legal principle and the political influence can further feed that perception, further eroding public trust. the commission gives him the cover not to do anything at all. ? there are concerns that expanding the court here, maybe setting term limits could have really, really far-reaching effect. what are you hearing right now

about the warnings for long-term consequences? >> well, we heard just today mitt romney, for example, tweeting watch out democrats. you say you care about the legitimacy of institution, if you pack the court the next time republican come, he and others have suggested they'll pack the court, too, and any possibility of neutral adjudication will be out the window. that's the fear of a nuclear option and no going back. >> you already mentioned him and let's listen to him in his own words. let's play that sound. >> i hope and expect that the court will retain its authority and an authority that my stories have shown was hard won, but that authority, like the rule of law, depends on trust, a trust that the court is guided by legal principle, not politics.

structural motivated by political influence can only feed that perception. >> it is pretty rare to hear from a justice because we have heard from briar, do you anticipate we'll hear from any other justices weighing in on this? >> i don't know about that. he's the most significant voice, the conservatives will not express themselves. the most important opponent, of course, is chief justice roberts and it's significant that just yesterday he joined the three progressive justices in dissent saying from a decision stopping california from limiting worship gatherings to three families. so roberts is trying so hard to keep the court above politics, and he doesn't have five votes to do that and that's why he, more than anyone else, is hoping that the court doesn't get packed. >> he may not be chief, but what sway does chief briar have for making those comments publicly?

>> he's an important voice for progressives who are concerned about this nuclear retaliation and fear that it might be a short term victory, but as soon as the republicans come back then they would pack the court, too. and it gets covered by the president, as well. >> even justice ginsburg, before she passed warned against court packing, although the calculous warned against her passing. there are members of the commission who are democrats who may also express skepticism of it, and therefore a prospect for strong consensus around court packing seems to be kind of elusive? >> jeffrey rosen, thank you so much for breaking this down for us today. donors are throwing money at marjorie taylor-greene to keep her in congress. a man determined to throw her out joins us next. o throw her out joins us next. ♪ this is a cold call! ♪

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♪♪ new fund-raising numbers out this week show a huge haul for controversial gop congresswoman marjorie taylor greene. her re-election campaign raising $3.2 million in the last 3 months. joining me now is one of greene's challengers, marcus flowers, the democratic congressional candidate running for georgia's 14th district. marcus, thanks for being with us. good to see you. >> thanks for having me, lindsey. >> what is your reaction to these numbers? i mean, $3.2 million. the average donation, $32. and you have adam kinzinger, who she way outraised him and he seems to be, by many accounts, what many people are considering the voice of reason within the gop. >> well, lindsey, it's a wake-up call. we have an extremist in congress, someone who is actively undermining our democracy and cheering on groups like qanon and the proud boys. i mean, even our own colleagues,

as you just mentioned, have isolated her because of her radical beliefs that are not fitting with what we all truly believe here in america. you know, what we just saw, 100,000 americans donating to her campaign, because they see fit to re-elect her, that's a lot of people who want to keep pushing the politics of division. >> how do you change their minds? >> well, you know, i believe that there are a lot more people, and i've seen it firsthand, that want to take our politics to a much better place. they want to remove that hateful rhetoric and all these divisive politics from our body politic in general. and i'm calling on all those people to go to marcusforgeorgia.com and help us push back. >> the district that you represent, the 14th district, has been deeply red. it's only elected republican candidates here, so how do you appeal to the other side, not only when it seems like you're up against somebody who's a very

capable fund-raiser but also you have this new law in georgia here that many say is suppressing the votes of already disenfranchised voters? >> well, lindsey, it's a young district. it's only been around for ten years and there's only been two republicans. i've been talking to people, and i'm not running -- or talking to people because i'm running. i'm running because i've been talking with people, talking with people long before the election. and to a person, this is democrats and republicans alike, they are not happy with the representation we have right now in the district. i believe that there is a pathway. i know that if elected, i can restore honor and decency to this seat. >> if you are elected, what direction would you take that district? what would you like to accomplish in congress? >> we got to get back to a place, agreeing. we've got to turn down the white-hot rhetoric in our

politics. i see that as being most important. bipartisanship, and we've got to end -- we've got to start working with one another. there has to be compromise. i've been all over the world working in war zones, iraq, afghanistan, i've worked with everybody so i know by comparison, reaching across the aisle and working with republican and democratic colleagues if elected, that's what we need here. >> last month, when we spoke to greene's other democratic challenger, holly mccormick, she says that kevin, who ran against greene in 2020, actually dropped out of the race because he and his family were getting threats. have you experienced anything like that so far? >> well, unfortunately, yes, lindsey. and that's becoming, in my opinion, all too common in our politics today. one of the things i've been doing is removing confederate battle flag stickers from public property here in the district. after seeing a confederate battle flag paraded through the capitol rotunda, that's something that moved me, and

seeing the police officers being beaten and sprayed with bear spray, it moved me to a point where i said, i've got to leave my official job because this is mission critical. >> well, and marcus, i hate to interrupt what you're saying but what kind of threats have you been getting? i don't want to give power to those people who are threatening you, but what are you up against right now? >> oh, i'm not going to go into what the threats were specifically, but they were personal threats to me after seeing the videos we placed online. more generally, qanon thugs went on and reported our video, our launch ad on twitter several thousand times. >> are you thinking of hiring security? >> we're thinking about it. we're going to see how it works, but listen, lindsey, i grew up in poverty. at the age of 11, i went to a children's home. along the way, dealt with bullies all of my life. and i didn't deal with them by tucking tail and running. what qanon and proud boys or any other thugs are going to find out about marcus flowers is i wasn't built for backing down.

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good day, everybody, from msnbc world headquarters in new york, i'm aaron gilchrist in for alex witt. here's what's happening at 2:00 p.m. eastern, 11:00 a.m. pacific. we begin with the latest on the derek chauvin murder trial and new details from the autopsy conducted on george floyd. the court is in recess until monday after ten days of hearings and testimony from 35 witnesses. among them were eight minneapolis police officers and the chief of police. nbc's meagan fitzgerald joins us now from outside the courthouse with the latest. meagan, some critical details coming in the testimony we saw this week. >> reporter: yeah, aaron, i can tell you, it was a show of force this week for the prosecution who called expert witness after expert witness. the week started with minneapolis's top cop talking to jurors, and it ended