just 40% of americans now identify themselves with what's at risk of becoming a minority party. so, are they the party of donald trump? that's the big question. a gaggle of republican heavyweights about to attend a cocktail party tonight at mar-a-lago where former president's going to speak. are they the party of matt gaetz, the embattled republican congressman vowing that he is not going anywhere in a speech at another trump florida property despite sexual misconduct allegations against him. >> i'm built for the battle, and i'm not going anywhere. the smears against me range from distortions of my personal life to wild, and i mean wild, conspiracy theories. are they the party of tucker carlson who all but fully endorsed the white replacement theory this week or are they the party of mitch mcconnell who launched an attack on coca-cola and baseball. if he had added apple pie to the

mix, he would have hit the americana trifecta. legislatively, their identity leans toward mcconnell, the party of no, no on covid relief, no on any type of reasonable gun control, putting them on the side of untraceable ghost guns, and against universal background checks. >> they've offered plenty of thoughts and prayers, members of congress, but they've passed not a single new federal law to reduce gun violence. enough prayers. time for some action. >> and no on an infrastructure bill that has the support of a majority of americans. so let's get into this. joining me now to talk about this and how democrats can push forward with or without republicans as they deal with this identity crisis is democratic congressman don beyer of virginia, also chairman to the joint economic committee and former ambassador to switzerland. thanks for joining us on this. really appreciate it.

. >> thank you, yasmin. >> so, republicans have been really quick to oppose everything from the relief bill to voting rights, gun control, and infrastructure as well. is there any common ground at this point that you see that can be struck with republicans? >> yes, yasmin, there are places we can work together, and it's exciting. for example, i chaired the space subcommittee and i think we are going to have a robust space agenda that will be bipartisan. we have -- we're rolling out the no hate act next week which would greatly strengthen hate crime reporting at the local and state police level, and we've got republicans and democrats cosponsoring it. but the problem is that on the really big, important things like infrastructure and covid relief, they got back to the party of no that mitch mcconnell sort of created back in 2009, where they didn't want barack obama to have any wins.

and now they seem to be at the point of, if joe biden's for it, they've got to be against it, despite the fact that so many, most of their constituents, most of the republican constituents want us to do these good things. >> do you think republicans are actually open to a fair compromise here when it comes to the infrastructure? i want to read for you from the hill when it comes to infrastructure dealings and talks. senator chris says there will be one month set aside to hammer out a deal with republicans and right now it's nowhere near to happen. biden is already sniping with key moderates such as senator susan collins and potential republican partners such as senators rob portman and shelley moore capito have slammed biden's proposal for going far beyond the traditional definition of infrastructure. is there any room for any type of negotiation, specifically when we're talking about that massive infrastructure bill?

>> yeah, yasmin, it's really disappointing. we want there to be. i think joe biden, pete buttigieg and others have said very clearly, we would love to have the republicans work with us on this. but at the same time, there are fewer moderates in the republican party than ever before. we saw how many voted not to accept the pennsylvania returns or the arizona returns, how many were reluctant to do anything to criticize donald trump. so, even in the six and a half years i've been there, the number of moderate republicans has largely disappeared. the ones that are left, the adam kinzingers and the like, easy to work with and we can move forward. but too many are still right now short-term, the party of donald trump and matt gaetz, and that's not a good thing for republicans through the long run. >> congressman, what republicans are you talking to that are possibly receptive to negotiations? >> well, i've enjoyed working with vern buchanan of florida

and adam kinzinger of illinois. remarkably, liz cheney, we don't agree on much, but you can always have an adult, polite, constructive conversation with liz. these are, you know, if we had more republicans like that, that were interested in working together to get things done, we wouldn't have to do these things that are largely partisan. we really don't want them to be partisan, but on the other hand, as joe biden and secretary buttigieg have said, we can't not act. we desperately need this investment in bridges and infrastructure and broadband and high-speed electric transmission, things that will prepare us for much faster growth in years to come. >> i just want to play quickly for you, congressman, some sound from senator joe manchin who was on cnn just yesterday in talking about why he thinks there needs to be bipartisan legislation and why he specifically does not want to do away with the filibuster.

>> something told me, wait a minute, pause. hit the pause button. something's wrong. you can't have this many people split to where they want to go to war with each other. i think we can find a pathway forward. i really do. and i'm going to be sitting down with both sides and understanding where everybody's coming from. >> congressman, some could say that he's actually living in this kind of utopian democracy. that is the america of yesteryear, and we are in a much different place now where bipartisan legislation is all but unreachable and especially citing the january 6th insurrection as a reason for bipartisan legislation. it's head scratching to me. >> it really is. i mean, i want joe manchin to be right. i just don't think he is. and you know, part of the challenge is that the filibuster has generally been used to hold back anything that was progressive, especially civil rights over those many, many years. and they're holding back right now on things like the child

care tax credit on building new bridges, on covid relief. and a big part of the problem is that because we have two senators in small red states like north dakota and south dakota and large blue states like new york and california, there's a disproportionate power already in the senate that is older and more conservative and more rural. so, the filibuster just doubles down on that and makes it really difficult to do anything together. >> democratic congressman don beyer of virginia, thank you, congressman, appreciate you joining us this afternoon. i want to bring in my panel now, tim miller, writer at large for the bulwark, and former communications director for jeb bush 2016. peter baker, chief white house correspondent for the "new york times" and an msnbc political analyst and president of omara strategy group and a democratic strategist. welcome to you all, guys. let's pick up where i left off with the congressman and that's talking about joe manchin and

this idea, i feel as if, and folks that i have been speaking to, that he's in some sort of utopian democracy, considering that we could kind of reach bipartisan legislation in this country, that they could come to some sort of quorum. but it's as if he's taking from experiences that he had two decades ago and not what has happened over the last four years. >> look, i can't get inside joe manchin's head. i don't know if he's delusional or living a utopian mindset or whether this is just a political strategic positioning for him. because obviously, he represents a very, very red state that president trump won overwhelmingly and so he needs to come up for rationalizations for his position in order to win those voters. i think it's probably as simple as that. but as a factual matter, what he's saying is just not the reality. you know, i mean, if you look back at even ten years ago, the

obama administration, when they had 59 senators trying to pass obamacare and were just trying to get the one to get across the filibuster threshold, you know, and spent months and months and couldn't do it, couldn't even get olympia snow or somebody like that ten years ago. there just aren't ten republican senators right now and maybe mitt romney will work with you, maybe susan collins or lisa murkowski or one or two more and get to five. there isn't a way to get to ten. so, the choice is between doing nothing, doing something very modest, or blowing things up, but it's joe manchin that has the power on that and if he's not willing to do it, it's kind of a moot point. >> give us a sense, tim, of where you think the republican party is right now, the state of the republican party considering all that we've seen taking place over the last five days or so, the rnc retreat, tucker carlson's replacement theory remarks, matt gaetz saying the accusations against him are evidence of democrats coming

after all of the gop. where are we? where's the republican party right now. >> look, this is all one and the same to me. it's a party that has completely sold itself on the culture war. there is not, you know, this was a party when i was working, you know, we used to call ourselves the party of ideas. this is not a party of ideas anymore. nobody's even presenting ideas. nobody's even pretending to have ideas. it's a party that wants to stomp anything that the democrats want to put forward. they want to have these culture war fights. they want to limit democrats and people of color's ability to vote. so that they can maintain this minority power and they want to kind of go along with whatever their voters want, which is largely complete fealty to former president donald trump and that's just it. there are a few people that are trying to push one way or the other but the predominant mood within the party, the energy within the party is in these

pro-trump culture war fights and ignoring kind of the business of governance or standing in the way of the business of governance. >> so, peter, you have the former president's appearance this weekend as i was just speaking to ali vitali in west palm beach, florida, and it further shows, really, the hold that donald trump has on this republican party. here's from a "new york times" article. mr. trump's insistence on leading the party affects every single member. this is from fred, a veteran republican fund-raiser in texas, saying, as lawmakers and would-be elected officials jockey for a trump endorsement that is as powerful in a republican primary as it can be problematic in a general election, so, it has its good and its bad with having both a trump endorsement and trump involvement. why is it the republican party, especially matt gaetz in particular, i mean, that's a clear example, why the republican party cannot break away from donald trump?

>> it's interesting, right after january 6th, it appeared there was a moment when a lot of republicans did begin to see this as a problematic situation for the party and began to distance themselves from president trump. it was remarkable how quickly it began to coalesce back into the same tribal factions that we saw over the last four years. january 6th did not, in fact, turn the republican party against donald trump. it began once again consolidating it behind him. whether he has power outside of that base is the real question. he clearly still has power within that base, you see republicans all the way up to the house minority leader kevin mccarthy making these pilgrimages to mar-a-lago to pea fealty and respect to the former president, seeking out endorsements, seeking out his blessing, but the question is whether or not, as you say, whether that helps in the general election and the next fall, in fall of 2022. now, it's a long way between now and then. we don't know what's going to

happen. a lot can happen. this is a former president who has his own stresses going on right now, legal exposure to various things, he's got his business, personal debts that he has to address sometime in the next few years, anything can happen between now and 2022 but for the moment he is still the energy in that party as tim said. i mean, he is still the one driving, dominant figure and while there are people who are opposing him within the republican party, they don't have the same sort of momentum behind them that people thought that they would after the events of january 6th. >> so, it's interesting, peter, because you talk about january 6th, and folks really thought that was going to be the tipping point for a lot of people to say, okay, you know what? enough is enough with donald trump. after what they say take place on january 6th and all the information that has come out since then and what happened inside of that building. even the information that we reported out today, vice president mike pence essentially saying, clear the capitol. but with that, i wonder, do you think 2022 is going to be the real tipping point to see if

donald trump has true longevity? >> well, it will be one test, obviously, because what he has decided to do is to try to purge the party of those who opposed him, right? he's made a point of sponsoring and encouraging primary challenges to those handful of democrats who voted to impeach him or refuse to support him at the senate trial. he's made clear that he wants to have, you know, retribution, in effect, for those who were not toeing the line and 2022 will provide at least a little bit of a test to that. it won't be the be-all and end-all. what we'll really have to see is if he decides to run in 2024. i don't think he will. i don't think he'll tell us he won't, even if he isn't going to for a while because of course the longer he teases out the idea that he might keeps him in the cat bird seat, if you will. but i think that 2022 is the beginning of the test to see whether that happens and we don't know. again, so many things. two years in american politics these days can be a lifetime. and anything can happen between now and then. we'll see what happens, but for the moment, you're right, he's

the one with the most dominant card to play, and i don't see an alternative figure out there right now who has anything near his stature and gravitas within the party to challenge him. >> it's interesting, sometimes a day feels like a lifetime these days. atima, i want to talk about this poll that i find really fascinating, a gallup poll on americans' party identification. 49% leaning democrat or democratic. 40% republican. this is the lowest it's been since 2012, which is totally fascinating to me. are some of the things that you feel happened this week, are they kind of part of the larger picture as to why there are less and less identifying as republicans? >> yeah, i mean, i think we heard from tim a little bit earlier, as somebody who thought working in the republican party, they had some ideas that they were at least working on even if

democrats and republicans disagreed, they were at least discussing ideas. that is no longer what is the republican party. it is now matt gaetz, who is potentially a child sex trafficker. it is donald trump, who has, i mean, on all of his offenses, racist, sexist, xenophobic guy. and you know, marjorie taylor greene, jim jordan, these are the faces and they're not talking about politics or the policies to move our country forward but rather are engaging in full-on white nationalist sympathetic, full-on white supremacy politics. and so if you're somebody who is interested, really, in moving forward as a country, recovering from covid, finding new ways to invest and build, believing in actual democracy, voting rights, yeah, you're looking at the democratic party as your only option, even if you might be more moderately conservative. >> all right, tim miller, peter

baker, atima omara, thank you all, guys. still ahead, everybody, the gun debate. we are live at a gun range with reaction to an executive order president biden hopes will address what he calls an epidemic and international embarrassment. also, powerful and at times disturbing accounts of what medical experts say killed george floyd, what their testimony means for the week ahead. , what their testimony means for the week ahead. >> there's no evidence to suggest he would have died that night. except for the interactions with law enforcement. alice loves the scent of gain so much, she wished there was a way to make it last longer. say hello to your fairy godmother alice. and long-lasting gain scent beads. part of the irresistible scent collection from gain!

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welcome back. boston university will help conduct a brain study on former nfl player philip adams who shot and killed five people, including two children ages 5 and 9 in south carolina before taking his own life earlier this week. the study's going to determine in adams suffered from cte, a debilitating brain disease caused by repeated head trauma that athletes often suffer from. right now, there is no cure for cte. adams' father told our nbc affiliate, wcnc, quote, i think the football messed him up. though we, of course, don't have any evidence of that yet, he last played in the nfl back in 2015 for the atlanta falcons. so, more gun control measures are coming. that is the message from jim clyburn today. this is coming as president biden unveiled a half dozen executive actions to curb gun violence this week, including limiting access to stabilizing

braces and homemade guns without serial numbers. clyburn said on msnbc today that congress can pass a bipartisan bill to go further following multiple mass shootings. >> why is it so important to get a gun in three days? who's wrong with ten days? we'll wait 30 days to get something in the mail when we order it online. there's nothing about having a gun within ten days that's so important. >> and while democrats suggest ways to prevent guns from getting into the wrong hands, republican congresswoman marjorie taylor greene is giving away a free gun. she posted the raffle online saying, quote, this, my gun giveaway ends soon, be sure to enter to win it before joe biden tries to ban it. wow. okay, i want to bring in nbc's scott cohn in san jose, california, for us. scott, good to see you. you've been speaking to people at the public gun range there.

what are they saying about biden's most recent gun proposals? >> reporter: yeah, yasmin, this gun range, run by the santa clara parks has been around since the 1970s. it's normally pretty busy on a saturday afternoon and also loud. it's especially busy now and would be more so if not for some of the pandemic restrictions. you know, the president said the other day and congressman clyburn alluded to that earlier as well, that there is some common ground on this issue, and you talk to people here and that -- it bears that out, though the common ground is very small. it is shifting. the concern is that people say that they may -- they may be okay with certain things like expanded background checks or the red flag laws with proper due process, but they worry that it's a slippery slope. >> honestly t bay i see it is,

like, it's a pistol brace. it's not much but at the end of the day, if you start taking away one thing at a time, eventually you're going to have nothing. >> i believe that some of the ideas that have been proposed are not as extreme as some of the pro-2a community believes they are. the problem is that when you give an inch, people take a mile. >> reporter: well, in the face of all of that, we've been seeing a huge spike in sales of guns, really over the last several months and over the last year and the national shooting sports foundation, which is the industry's main trade group, says it expects to see big sales increases on things like the stabilizing braces and like the so-called ghost guns that are basically kits to assemble firearms. look at some of the sales figures and just the first three months of this year, we're

running at nearly twice the rate that we were in 2019. that's on top of nearly 40 million background checks last year, according to the fbi. and people that we talk to here, more than one person saying that they are starting to kind of stock up now as they wait for potentially more gun control measures. yasmin? >> all right, scott cohn for us in san jose. thank you, scott. tonight, by the way, joshua johnson is taking a closer look at why it's been so difficult to get these gun laws passed through congress. he is joined by senator ben cardin, former representative donna edwards and former representative carlos carbelo. they're going to draft an outline of a law addressing gun violence that could pass right now to show what it takes to turn these ideas into laws. watch "the week with joshua johnson" tonight, 8:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. the death of george floyd and what caused it. our expert panel joins me to break down what we learned and the impact of this week's

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♪♪ welcome back. jurors have a lot to think about this weekend following yet another week of dramatic testimony in derek chauvin's murder trial. several expert medical witnesses took the stand to explain what led to the death of george floyd, including the medical examiner who ruled his death a homicide. >> as a medical examiner, we apply the term homicide when the actions of other people were involved in an individual's death. in my opinion, the law enforcement subdual, restraint and the neck compression was just more than mr. floyd could take by virtue of those heart conditions. >> there's no evidence to suggest he would have died that night, except for the interactions with law enforcement. >> all right, i want to bring in

rachel, professor at university of st. thomas school of law. she's a former u.s. attorney for minnesota. and dr. priya, a board certified anatomic and forensic pathologist, the president of anchor forensic pathology. welcome to you both. thank you very much for joining us. i want to start where i just left off, with some of the sound that we just heard. both of these experts saying, essentially under oath, that it was law enforcement, it was derek chauvin that caused george floyd to die. is that enough to prove this case? >> it's -- >> rachel. >> well, first -- thank you. the expert testimony was compelling. it was powerful. it was persuasive. it was easy to understand for an average person. no one person's testimony and no one piece of evidence is likely to seal the deal for this trial,

either for conviction or for acquittal, but when you heard doctor after doctor saying that the cause of death was a compression of the neck, was lack of oxygen, was the persistent denial of the police to provide any kind of medical care, that is going to make an impression on the jurors, as well as the community and world listening to this trial. >> rachel, the medical examiner didn't budge, no matter the question. he stayed confident that this was, in fact, homicide. is that something that is common to hear? >> well, it was important in this case, because the defense attorney started off his opening statement by claiming somehow that the doctor who conducted the autopsy would somehow walk back his written report or that it didn't really mean what it said or that there could be other contributors to death, and the fact that the doctor stood firm on the stand and said that,

no, it was the police was important and all that goes to reiterate what chief arradando said, the chief of police said earlier, he wants his officers to understand that when they use force, that the guiding principle needs to be sanctity of life. every single doctor who took the stand this week reiterated that principle, and i think reiterated the basis of the moral authority that the police have over citizens. >> there was a very heartbreaking moment when pulmonary specialist dr. martin tobin was analyzing the video of derek chauvin. he talks about how george floyd was essentially touching his knuckles to the tire just to have any last breath as he was dying. let's take a listen. >> you see his knuckle against the tire, and to most people, this doesn't look terribly significant. but to a physiologist, this is

extraordinarily significant. because this tells you that he has used up his resources, and he is now literally trying to breathe with his fingers and knuckles. you can see his eyes, he's conscious, and then you see that he isn't. that's the moment the life goes out of his body. >> doctor, how significant was this moment for you, and is that something that you picked up on or would have picked up on? >> yes. so, we're often asked, you know, how do we know what the time of death is? or how do we estimate it? and i say estimate because, as dr. lindsey tomlinson said, it's so unusual to have this much video like we do in this case. and analysis of that video really shows mr. floyd's little

movements as dr. tobin highlighted, and then you really can see him go limp. and i think that's, you know, a clinical judgment and i'm sure dr. baker also saw that, that this is why we're contributing the actions and primarily blaming the actions of officer chauvin causing mr. floyd's death. >> there was another moment, dr. banerjee, from dr. andrew baker, talking about some of the other factors that could have contributed to the death, right? we know when the defense begins their arguments, they're going to be talking about the use of fentanyl. they're going to be talking about george floyd's heart conditions. but in this moment, dr. andrew baker makes it clear that those things did not, in fact, cause the death of george floyd. let's listen to that. >> the other significant conditions are things that played a role in the death but didn't directly cause the death.

so, for example, you know, mr. floyd's use of fentanyl did not cause the subdual or neck restraint. his heart disease did not cause the subdual or the neck restraint. >> how significant is this, dr. banerjee? >> i think that's a great question. when we do an autopsy, we take everything into account, right? you have to look at your findings at autopsy, your ancillary studies such as toxicology. i think it would be actually improper practice to deny that mr. floyd had drugs on board. we know he has a history of drugs. that was allowed in from past history by the judge. and that actually lays a foundation for a history of tolerance because of repeated use. and so, yes, the drugs were on board, hypertension, heart disease doesn't happen overnight, and the atherosclerosis, the hardening of the arteries, but that's all baseline, if you will, for

mr. floyd. we see him at cup foods. we see him interact with police on the sidewalk, getting out of the car. none of those times is he looking like he's going to die. right? and then he undergoes this prolonged restraint and the stress related to that, that leads to his death. so, of course, they're there, and by acknowledging them, you're saying that. putting them in the part two, the other significant conditions. that's how you acknowledge them. but really, again, it goes back down to the logic, but if not for the restraint, would he have died? >> and we're going to be talking a lot more about this, especially tomorrow as we head into the next week. as the prosecution closes out its arguments, the defense begins its arguments. rachel paulose and dr. banerjee, thank you both. the book of boehner, the former republican leader lashes out a at his own party, the former president and a familiar foe in his own words. we're going to break the down

in "the run" next. hey, i'm alicia menendez. as democrats focus on the economy, republicans are cozying up to the guy who won't even let them put his name on a t-shirt. we're talking 2022 and voting rights, trans rights, under attack, what's being done to push back. plus "hamilton's" mandy gonzalez is here, all that and more on "american voices," 6:00 p.m. eastern, right here on msnbc. can voices," 6:00 p.m. eastern, right here on msnbc.

welcome back. in the run today, john boehner unleashed, the cover of the former house speaker's new book looks a bit like the cover of an old crooner's greatest hits collection, but boehner is offering up his greatest hits jobs instead. boehner spends a considerable amount of time blaming donald trump for the current state of the republican party, mostly ignoring his own role in things, aside from a very late apology of sorts for supporting the

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welcome back. after covering a monumental inauguration and historic nationwide women's march back in 2017, my friend, departing cnn anchor brooke baldwin set out to learn more from women who were coming together to form change, while leaning on each other for strength along the way. it led to her writing her first book, "huddle: how women unlock their collective power" after criss crossing the country, researching and interviewing contemporary trailblazers like

stacey abrams and trusted pie nears like billie jean king while reflecting on her own story. i started by asking her about the title. >> i purposely picked the word because it is this masculine laced word, a bunch of dudes on the football field with the black paint but i wanted to take this word, femme nice it and own it as women. it's a noun. it's an action verb. and it's a place where we can become energized by the mere fact of our coexistence as women. it can be two women. it can be 2,000 women. it can be productive, meaning, it can lead to significant change. it's where women lean on one another to succeed to, thrive, to get amazing stuff done. but it also can be just where we sit together quietly as you and i have done and simply bear witness for one another. >> yeah, it's funny, i was reading this book and thinking, i feel like i'm a part of brooke's huddle and i love that.

>> oh, yes. a thousand percent. >> we've had so many of those conversations and i was reading through this book and thinking about the conversations that you and i have had along the way in our careers, but you talk about, really, what inspired this book for you, and it was kind of like the dichotomy between the 2016 election, inauguration day, and 2017, your coverage of it, and then the women's march the very next day. talk me through that. >> yeah, i mean, it was like journalististic emotional whiplash. an saturday, january, 2017, donald trump was elected the previous november, i had been criss crossing the rest of the country like the rest of us journalists had. a lot of women had been showing up in ways i had never seen, filed that away. there i am, saturday, newly elected president trump, you know, making his way in his motorcade down to the white house for the first time. i am balancing on the back of this flat bed truck embedded in

the motorcade for cnn, narrating this journey, and you know, i am a woman. i'm a journalist. i was very aware of what the -- what donald trump had said, the videos that had shown, you know, him bragging about grabbing women and i was standing there women and i was standing there are troubled. and then, yasmin, the very next day, again, on the clock for cnn, find myself in the middle of half a million women. and i was moved. i had never seen so many women show up like that in my life. looking back, it was the largest huddle i had ever been a part of, so i knew i wanted to come back to work and really dedicated the next chapter of my career highlighting women. but at the same time, i took my reporter hat off and realized i didn't have a group of women that would have showed up to protest for whatever we felt so near and dear about. and i knew that i wanted to activate to find my huddle, activate it and inspire other

women to do the same. >> what's so cool about your book is in all the women you interviewed, in all the anecdotal experiences you explain, they were all so different, so many different manifestations of a huddle from ava duvernay, to stacey abrams to your own experiences. what was the common thread that you saw through it all? >> the lieu line is all these women are huddlers. all these women subscribe to the abundance mentality ethos. i don't know how you started, but for me, there were very few positions for women 20 years ago when i was first starting out in charlottesville, virginia, and that the few women who existed who were around my same age had very sharp elbows, and i wasn't about that. the rest of my career i'm like, i'm a huddler tattooed to my forehead because i seemed to attract all kinds of people, but especially women who have helped me but i have approached them vulnerably and asked for help. and so the through line between,

you know, hello, sunshine, reese witherspoon's production company and ava and stacy and jen watts and lucy mcbath and megan rapinoe, they want to lift up other women. if they have access to power, they want to throw down their ladders. i just want to create a movement among women where i feel like our culture's narrative is pitting against each other and it doesn't have to be that way and let's huddle instead. >> one of the things that stood out to me was the chapter where you said you got to do hard things. you got to do hard things. this was my takeaway, you got to do hard things to gain confidence. that was my takeaway from it. what was your incentive? what was the message that you wanted to get across in talking about that for women? >> len doyle, her whole mantra

is doing hard things. i'm taking it a step further and he say we need to do hard things together. a couple years ago i called up one of the members and said, hey, allison, do you want to travel the tanzania, hang out with me in a tent and not shower? are you in? and she totally was. that was one of the hardest things i've done in my life and you would have been game for that, yasmin. i know you would have said yes. that's one example in my life, but certainly, you know, take megan pa reno and sue bird and chiney ogwumike. they are demanding respect and doing hard things together and demanding respect, not only do they want equal pay, can i have a game and have a shower when i

finish? >> i feel like you and i have talked about this. they have really taken it. so many women lost their jobs because of this pandemic: and now as we are rebuilding our economy, so many women are at a loss to a certain extent. and they need something like this now more than ever. why do you feel as if a huddle is so incredibly important now? >> yep. in the month of december alone 140,000 jobs were lost, every single one of them belonged to a woman. women and specifically women of color have been disproportionately affected by this virus. if you think of the roles we lay, we're sisters, wives, mothers, care take into consideration at-home teachers, and this pandemic has been crushing. and i talked to a number of

women who have huddled. i just wrote about this for cnn.com, who have last their jobs, who've been forced to leave their jobs because the burden of the child care and everything else, it's been too much. and because they are leaning on one another and reaching out to one another and, you know, as women we don't always like to ask for help or we don't always want to burden someone else with what's going on with us. but one of the key tenets is showing up and asking for help. my wish, my aspiration for women coming out of this pandemic as we've been flecking our virtual huddle muscles is that big things will happen with women, whether it's seeing the employment numbers go in the right direction for us and also just seeing significant change because of the huddle. >> it's so incredible. you have been a part of my huddle. hopefully i've been a part of yours through this entire period i've always leaned on you. and you also talk about how women need to advocate for one another and you have always been an advocate for women.

this book is so incredible. my friend, i get kind of chills thinking about it because you are such a good friend. congratulations. i'm so happy for you. the book is "huddle." you got to read it. brooke baldwin, you're amazing. onwards and upwards, my friend. thanks for joining us today, appreciate it. >> thank you. >> brooke baldwin's debut book, "huddle" is out nationwide this week, so make sure you grab a copy. it is such a good read. that wraps up the hour for me. i'm yasmin vossoughian. i'm going to be back here tomorrow at 3:00 p.m. eastern. up next, the director of the white house domestic policy council susan rice joins reverend al sharpton to discuss president biden's equity agenda and the new gun violence prevention plan. that is next on "politicsnation" after a quick break. now, that dream... .

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. good evening and welcome to "politicsnation." tonight's lead, biden's equity agenda. last weekend was infrastructure. this week it's gun control. and just as with roads and bridges, president biden's efforts to curb gun