we have been watching a tribute to officer william evans killed in the line of duty earlier this year, just 41 years old. he was remembered for his sense of humor, always somebody who wanted to help. that does it for me. we will have much more much the derek chauvin trial as well. i hand it over to andrea mitchell. >> this is andrea mitchell on a somber news day. you have been watching the solemn ceremony for the slain police officer william billy evans who is lying in honor at the capitol after being memorialized by president biden and speaker pelosi and chuck

shum mer. and there is a pause on a johnson & johnson vaccine due to blood clots. but the state has rested their case in the derek chauvin trial and the defense has begun to call their witnesses. let's listen in. >> i gave it to them, man. >> i gave it to them. >> yeah, i gave them my name. >> all right. stay put here, okay. >> okay.

>> stay further back. >> what is your name? shawanda. >> what is your name? what is it? >> william ricardo. >> ricardo, all right. >> okay. we will figure it out. >> what you are watching is video from one of the cameras. it looks like either the street camera or witness camera from a day outside cup foods. let's watch this video and we will explain it on the other side. >> who gave it to you?

>> i don't know. extra change or something. he came by -- [ inaudible ] . >> he told him to come back in that store. but he was talking -- >> yeah. [ inaudible ]

[ inaudible ] . >> mr. ricardo, how are you related to floyd? how do you know him? >> he used to do security work at salvation army. >> how do you know him? >> i don't know him. >> how are you guys together? >> we were getting a ride. >> so you too are together? >> no. i saw him in the store, too, but that's not it. >> how do you not know him when

he says he is with you? >> no, he was getting a ride and he told me to come along, too and he will give me a ride. >> stay put then. [ inaudible ] . >> that's good. >> is this all right here? >> stay put. >> he was fighting. >> making it more difficult. >> was he was falling asleep a little bit. saying please don't shoot. that's why i had my hands showing. >> officer, you see the individual on the left hand

walking by? >> yes. >> you had no interaction with her at this point? >> no. >> you would agree this is at 1:23:17 of your body camera? >> yes. >> who is adam? >> i got a laptop and it didn't work so he gave me -- >> okay. >> you can come in and talk to them. >> sure. what is it what is it? go ahead, just make it quick. face me. >> huh? >> face me.

that's good. you guys have no worries or nothing. after all of this is settled, you guys are good to fly. >> all this is settled? can't you ask him? >> don't you hear your friend talking? >> to the store person. >> i'm waiting for my partners. i have to talk to my partners and see what's up. >> he said you knew him, too. >> i know him very well. >> you know floyd? >> yeah, i know the people in the store. >> okay. that's good. [ inaudible ] >> 2313 washington street, black

male -- >> that's it, mr. ricardo. nobody is coming close to us so we don't need a mask yet. >> huh? >> nobody is coming close to us so we don't need a mask. >> did he call her? >> is it a white girl, short? >> yeah, right here. >> stay put, guys.

[ inaudible ] >> something is going on. >> stay here, all right? >> they are taking pictures over there. >> yeah, i'm on the phone. [ inaudible ] >> updated location. >> just walked in with mr. adams.

[ inaudible ] . >> stay put here. until my partners are done over there. then we will figure things out, all right? right now we are grabbing an ambulance, so he might have hurt himself? >> they hurt him? >> he might have hurt himself. who knows. >> can i just see what is wrong with him? >> stay over here. >> he's on the ground. >> where? >> right here. >> shawanda.

>> what was that? stay put. all right, ricardo? >> why is he going to the hospital? >> oh, man. >> shawanda, you are not helping. >> i am just trying to figure out. >> once my partners get over here, they will explain to you. okay? [ inaudible ]

>> he needs his phone. >> where is his phone? >> in the car. >> i don't want you reaching in the car. >> it's right there. >> his car is not going anywhere. don't go into the car. i don't want you guys going to the car. that's it. once my partners come over here, you guys can ask, all right?

what? going straight, man. tight here. good? >> open the trunk. >> i don't know. >> officer chang, we are pausing the video. it appears that the ambulance is leaving at 1:31:z on your body cam? >> yes. [ inaudible ] >> are you guys --

>> in the car? >> his phone. he's already gone. he doesn't need his phone. is that his phone? >> put it back. >> he's gone already. >> are you sure? >> put his phone back. >> get it. >> what happened? >> no. >> that man took our names. >> id -- >> he said -- >> what? what happened? [ inaudible ] . >> get in the car. i know you came with him.

>> you are good? you guys are good. >> that's his trunk. code word. if i can get a phone, i can call her and tell you. >> no. the car is going to stay put right here until you figure it out. >> you better lock it because his phone is right there. >> they will be back. i don't know what the plan is. i don't want you guys touching the car.

>> officer chang, you would agree that the time stamp on your body worn camera is 1:32:50 z, correct? >> yes.

>> i don't think -- >> i think this car -- when i got here the doors were open. i don't know. it's not his. still red? >> oh, yeah. impossible. [ inaudible ] >> 36?

>> be advised the fire department need to go to 36 and park. >> i have got to get in the car. >> officer, chang, you would appear that now the fire truck appears to be leaving? >> yes. >> time stamp on your video is 1:35:06 z, correct? >> yes. >> a few follow-up questions for you, officer chang.

it seems to me that you are walking around. can you explain why? >> i was pacing back and forth just making sure -- i was concerned for the officer's safety because of the crowd. i wanted to be sure the officers were okay. >> did you observe other people at other locations besides where mr. floyd and the officers were? >> the least one at every corner of the intersection. >> did you observe people standing in the speedway parking lot? >> yes. >> and there were one or two people on the corner where you guys were? >> yes. >> and at least one person across the street to the west, right? >> yes. >> southwest corner. in terms of the general area, would you describe that as a pretty busy intersection? >> yes. traffic and foot traffic yeah. >> so a fair number of cars, vehicles traveling through that intersection? >> yes.

>> as well as a fair number of people on bikes or foot walking past? >> yes. >> ultimately did this pretty much end your involvement in this case? >> yes. >> so you pretty much went back to your regular duties with the park police, correct? >> yes. >> based on that, your honor, i have no further questions. >> cross-examination? >> good morning, officer chang. >> good morning. >> just a few follow-up questions for you. in the video we just watched, at one point when you were talking with officer thao, it sounded to me like you asked him still red? is that what you said? >> yes. >> his body camera was still on.

>> you asked if he had his on because you had yours on still? >> yes. >> officer chang, when you were working for the park police, you go through the academy with city police recruits, correct? >> yes. >> at that point when you are going through the academy, do you know if you are going to end up in the park police or city police? >> when you first start the academy you already know who you are working for, yes. >> as far as you know, those recruits, you could be working with them someday in the future? >> on the street? i mean we patrol the same area, yes. >> but when you start you could be a city officer just like them.

>> no. initially when you receive an offer from an employer, from the minneapolis police prior to starting the academy. >> i got it. so when you are in the academy you know you are going to be park police and the others may be city police. >> yes. >> but when you get out there on the streets while you monitor the parks you also have authority to assist with calls outside the parks? >> yes. >> so in terms of an average shift let's say, how often do you do this where you assist on a city police call? >> not often unless we are close by. we pretty much keep ourselves busy with the park system. >> but you know if you self assign to help a city call, you are not going to get in trouble for your supervisor for that?

>> no. >> because that's all part of your responsibility. you are allowed to do that? >> yes. >> in fact, when you are doing that, when you are working with the park police you have the same radio traffic, able to hear the same radio traffic as the city police officers? >> yes. >> in fact, i think we heard you refer to the city officers refer to you as your partners. >> yes. >> so you consider you are partners and i suspect you feel they feel the same way about you? >> yes. >> with this particular call, you heard a request for backup, right, on this call? >> yes. >> and because you heard some noise in the background you decided initially to go lights and sirens. >> yes.

>> and self assign i think was the term you used. >> yes. >> at some point on your way there you turned off your lights and sirens, right? >> yes. >> that was before you actually arrived? >> yes. >> when you arrived i think we heard as you were pulling up the officers already assigned called code 4, correct? >> yes. >> what is your understanding -- or back on may 25th of 2020 what was your understanding of what scene 4 means -- code 4 means? >> scene safety. >> when you got there you got out of your car, correct? >> yes. >> you see two city officers? >> yes. >> one who you later find out is officer king is speaking with mr. floyd? >> yes. >> and mr. floyd is sitting

against the sidewalk and doesn't appear to be threatening at that time, does he? >> no. >> he doesn't appear to be upset or agitated there? >> no. >> so sitting on the sidewalk he was pretty peaceful? >> yes. >> when that happened you never heard officers call for a code 3 to other officers respond sng -- responding? >> no. >> you heard the call for ambulance? >> yes. >> but there was never a call for code 3 for officers? >> i don't believe so. >> when you got out i assume you

were trained to assess the situation? >> yes. >> you did that as you were getting out of your squad car? >> yes. >> when you did that, did you hear officer king ask mr. floyd for his name? >> i did, yes. >> you heard mr. floyd give his full name? >> yes. >> spell it? >> yes. >> and his date of birth? >> i believe so. >> and then you were asked to run that through your system and you were able to do that? >> yes. >> so then you observed as the officers walked mr. floyd over to their squad car, correct? >> yes. >> that's when you decided to move your squad car over to that area?

>> correct. >> but as soon as you got out they asked you to watch the scene with two passengers? >> yes. >> and you did that? >> yes. >> once you walked back over there you really couldn't see what was going on with officers lane, king and mr. floyd? >> i believe at that time they still had floyd against the car. i believe during that time, yes. >> so against the driver's side of their squad car? >> i believe so, yes. >> but once you walked over to the far side of the road over by the dragon wok, you could no longer see what was going on with mr. floyd?

>> correct. >> you indicated the crowd was getting louder and more aggressive? >> yes. >> but you knew that there were now four officers over at that scene, correct? >> correct, yes. >> so your main focus was in watching those passengers. >> yes. and the car. >> and you assumed, when you were doing that, that those four officers were okay over there because there were four of them? >> yes. >> if they had radioed for help, you would have heard it over your radio? >> yes. >> and they never radioed for help? >> no. >> i have no further questions. >> you are excused. we are going to take a ten-minute break while we check the availability of the next witness. it will probably be our last break before we break for lunch.

counsel in chambers. >> you have been watching the testimony, cross and direct examination of officer chang. he was a park officer. he was called to the scene to help out. he said he saw bystanders who were, quote, very aggressive. they showed clips from his body cam. they have taken a break. there was another angry night of riots after the shooting of daunte wright after being shot by an officer. officer kim potter said she his takenly discharged her gun rather than her taser.

that outraged the community and the grieving mother. >> he was my life, my son. i can never get that back, because of an accident? >> the mayor has fired the city manager and will oversee the department. the deputy mayor has control over the department. and cdc pushed pause on j&j shots after six women between 18 and 48 experienced a severe and rare blood clot.

>> we are joined by you. tell us how this began this morning and about the focus of an incident in may of 2019. >> the defense's case began like we expected. they are focusing on what they argue is george floyd dying from drugs as well as the police officers being distracted by the crowd of bystanders. you saw from the testimony of officer chang that the crowd was growing more aggressive. the parks police is different than the minneapolis police department. some of that video had been redacted earlier, a few days after george floyd's death. before that we heard from

another person inside george floyd's suv, shawanda hill. she is also seen in some of that and she testified that george floyd was falling asleep in the vehicle right before officers approached. defense was trying to hammer home the point that he was under the influence of drugs. the first witness that the defense called this morning also played video from a 2019 arrest, a brief body camera video, a drug arrest. they also called the paramedic that treated george floyd right after he was arrested and tried to get her to say he was reluctant to go to the hospital. it is an uphill battle for the defense. the prosecution had 38 witnesses over 11 days. the defense is trying to make some sort of case to argue that case once again that it was not

derek chauvin's knee that killed george floyd but drugs. >> what is your opinion about how the prosecution is handling the cross-examination and witnesses of the defense. i know it's early. defense has just started. >> i think the cross-examination is proceeding as best it can. this is being represented as causative death testimony, but that's not what it is. they are just trying to dress up what is going on. they hope racism carries the day. they are here to portray george floyd as a big black man who was on drug hoping the jury will acquit derek chauvin or give him

a lesser offense. >> he was on drugs. the fourth person he was on drugs. there is not much to cros exam him on. >> there was all of that medical testimony on cause of death. >> the defense's testimony is to make clear george floyd had other things going on, about his pre-existing condition, about drug abuse, and whether the officers used reasonable force. i don't think the defense has an

uphill battle here. they have an easier case. the prosecution has to prove all elements charged to get a conviction yard. the defense just has to convince a single juror there is doubt. and that's relatively easy to do. that's why it is hard to get a conviction in these cases. >> we saw the protest and outrage. questions by the mayor himself about the actions there. what is the latest now? >> the mayor of brooklyn said that officer should be dismissed. kim potter, 26-year veteran, has been placed on administrative leave. i do know we had a chance to speak to the family yesterday at a vigil held for daunte wright.

his mother said it is unconscionable she lost her son to an accident when potter pulled that service weapon and fired the shot saying she thought it was a taser. the mother said you can mourn the young man's life without violence. we did see some of that last night. as far as the investigation, we know the video is part of the investigation. we do know that the investigators here say they are going to be taking a close look at the situation regarding this. we also heard the governor of minnesota tim walz say they should not wait longer. they should start hearings to cause policy changes to make sure a mistake like this never happens again.

>> it was initially a traffic stop over expired license plates. kim potter said she mistook the taser for her handgun. that she shot her handgun thinking it was her taser. from all of the comments i have heard in the last 24 hours, tazers and handguns have different weights and mechanisms and you are supposed to carry them on different hips. give us your take how someone could make this mistake, especially a 26-year veteran. >> she lost her bearings to believe that her sidearm on her dominant side was her taser. there are different weights. she had ample time.

but because she was so invested in trying to subdue a person for a traffic violation, she became so engrossed she lost her bearing. and why did she think he needed to be taz case tased in the fir place. ted a warrant. they knew where he lived. they could have followed him to his home and arrested him at a later time. >> we are going to take a quick break and then we will go back to the trial. and then we will update you on the pause of the johnson & johnson vaccines in six women, concerning now have the fda pause the emergency use. we will be right back. # we will be right back. and new adventures you hope the more you give

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welcome back. the other big breaking news we are following this hour, the cdc and fda are recommending a pause in the johnson & johnson single dose vaccine due to what they call an abundance of caution after six reported blood clots in people, all women after the j&j vaccine was administered. >> how serious is this and how should people who were administered j&j, how concerned should they be? >> andrea will be concerned, but you gave out the numbers. almost 7 million people have received the vaccine and fda have reports of 6 women between 18 and 48 who have developed this rare type of blood clot. so the fda put out a message saying let's pause this for a while.

it is different from a cancellation. it is a pause to see if there is a connection between the two which they still don't know if there is a connection between the vaccine and these blood clots. they want to get a message out to physicians across the country that with this particular blood clot, it is not business as usual. it has to have special types of treatments or it can make things worse. they are pausing it to make sure they understand the connection. also, again, get that message out that it needs to be treated differently and that's one way to do that. >> if you had one been one of those 6.8 million, what symptoms should you look for? is it only women and not men in that age group? >> i understand people are concerned about this if they have gotten the vaccine. between 6 and 13 days after the vaccine they started getting the

symptoms. you look at yourself, a woman, man, whoever got the vaccine, look at yourself in that three-week time period. if you start getting headaches or abdominal pain or shortness of breath, contact the doctor because those are the symptoms you are concerned with. as more and more weeks go on, it's exceedingly unlikely it will happen. you have to concentrate on that three-week period. >> how will this affect the vaccine rollout? the white house says they will continue. they were doing 5 million saturday, which is a record. is that a reliable indicator they can keep it up. they don't need j&j if it turns out this is more serious? >> i don't think it will affect the rollout that much. it will affect certain areas, but some of those centers have said if you have an appointment we will get you a pfizer or

moderna vaccine while we wait on the johnson & johnson. out of 190 million administered, a very small number have been johnson & johnson. although they expect 190 million by the end of may, we have enough with the other vaccines. this would help with areas that don't have the infrastructure to take the others on. this will add to it. this will get more people concerned about it. that's why they are putting the message out there. we are looking into it. my guess is they will look forward to it with labeling, who should get it and who shouldn't get it. >> one of the reasons why there is so much concern about keeping the vaccines going out, is the surge getting ahead of the variants or keeping pace with the variants. in michigan, the doctor is calling for a shutdown in

response to the surge. i have done a lot of reports on this because there is tension between governor widmer, and the white house. she doesn't have that much running room. her hands are tied in michigan because the republican legislature has stopped her from having emergency authorization over shutdowns. they have, in fact, in michigan, less restaurants opening, 30%, not 50% as in some surrounding states, east coast states. they have been secure about that. she is facing courts over her shutdown. what can she do about the surge if she can't cut back? she is urging people to, but she

doesn't have the authority. >> that is tough knot to untie. if you don't have authority, getting information across about how important wearing masks and social distancing. things may be shut down for a little bit in michigan to get cases under control. if you don't have the authority to do that, you have to rely on people. we have found that doesn't happen. and when that doesn't happen, cases go higher. people around the world who are handling it are those who can do what they need to do to keep it under control. >> dr. torres, you have set the stage perfectly. because here comes jen psaki. we are monitoring the chauvin trial. we will be back if there is any

breaking news there. stay with us. >> out of an abundance of caution it recommended a pause in the use of johnson & johnson vaccine as they reviewed data involves six reported cases of a rare and severe blood clot in individuals after receiving the johnson & johnson vaccine. let me start by saying this announcement will not have a significant impact on our vaccination program. the j & j vaccine makes up less than 5% of vaccinations in arms to date. the president has always said this is a wartime effort. we are at war against the virus. as such we have mobilized a

wartime effort, said we are prepared for a wide range of scenarios. that's why the president took action earlier this year before the j&j vaccine was authorized to secure enough pfizer and moderna vaccines for 300 million americans by the end of july. this week we will make available 28 million doses of these two vaccines. as we have done since we took office, we will continue to get the supply out the door as soon as it's available. so we have more than enough supply of pfizer and moderna vaccines to continue the current pace of about 3 million shots

per day. and that puts us well on pace to meet the president's goal of 200 million shots by his 100th day in office and continue to reach every adult who wants to get we state and federal partners to get anyone scheduled for a j&j vaccine quickly. j&j appointments are being adjusted that were for today to actually get moderna and pfizer today. that's happening many places across the country. the president has committed to the american people that his administration will always lead with science, tell the truth,

and give americans the facts as we know them. the conor mcgregor and fda will -- cdc will continue to do just that and provide updates as we know them and continue to do our investigation. with that we will hand it over to dr. fauci and then take questions. >> thank you very much. let me follow up on a couple of points jeff said and what our colleagues in the fda and cdc said earlier this morning at the press conference. a couple of issues come up of the importance of calling this pause, because people say what does a pause mean? it really allows both the fda

and cdc to further investigate these cases to try to understand some of the mechanisms of what it is, some more details about the history of the individuals who are involved that might shed in light on looking forward what will happen and what we will do. that's the first thing. the other thing is to milwaukee physicians out there aware of this. and there are some clinical implications of that, that i believe are important. for example, if someone comes in with this really rather rare syndrome of thrombotic thrombo site owe pina where you get thrombosis, and when you get thrombosis, the most common way to treat that is heparin and that would be a mistake in this situation because it would be dangerous and make the situation much worse. so there's a clinically relevant reason why you want to make this known to people. also, when viz, particularly younger women who might come into a physician with a

particular thrombotic phenomenon, which are things that happen for other reasons all the time that we want to alert physicians to take a history of a recent vaccination. that would be important. so the pause not only allowed us to take a look at the cases and learn more but it is also a signal out there to help the physicians. a common question, and i'm sure we'll have a number of questions which jeff and i will be happy to answer for you, but one of the questions that comes up already rather frequently, does this have anything to do with the efficacy of the vaccine? so we know there have been 6.85 million doses of j&j distributed in the united states thus far, so someone who maybe had it a month or two ago would say, what does this mean for me? it really doesn't mean anything. you're okay. because if you look at the time frame when this occurs, it's pretty tight from a few days, 6

to 13 days from the time of the vaccination. the next question is one that we're all obviously aware of, what impact is this going to have about people's attitudes about vaccines in general? so you might know there have been now 120 million people that have received at least one dose of a vaccine. most of that, subtract 6. 5 million are from pfizer and moderna. there are no red-flag signals from those. so there are tens of millions with no adverse effect. this is a rare event if you look at what we know so far. there are 6 out of 6.85 million

doses, which is less than 1 in a million. remember, this is something we always out of abundance of caution, as jeff said, give us a time to take a good look at it and see if we can get further information. i will stop there, and we can obviously take some questions. >> you described this as a very rare event but this seems like a drastic step. do you weigh the risk this could have on the vaccine effort? >> dr. fauci, maybe you want to go after me, but we want to say we have plenty of supply. so we for the last several weeks have been sending 25 million doses out and while we're averaging 3 million shots in arms per day, the 25 million supports actually that level and even accelerating and we just sent out 28 million doses

today -- or announced 28 million doses will be sent this week. the states, tribes and territories and through our federal channels. we have plenty of vaccine supply to hit our goals. over to you, dr. fauci. >> i believe your question is did we pull the trigger too soon on this because it was such a rare event. our fda is internationally known for their capability of making sure we have the safest products out there. and that's what i meant when i said an abundance of caution. you want to make sure that safety is the important issue here. we are totally aware this is a very rare event. we want to get this worked out as quickly as we possibly can. and that's why you see the word pause. nrz, hold off for a bit and very well may go back to that and some conditions or maybe not but we want to leave it to the fda

and cdc to investigate it thoroughly. i don't believe it was pulling the trigger too quickly. >> i know the vaccine committee is meeting tomorrow to discuss this. why not meet today, isn't it a moment to drop everything and focus on this? >> i think you have to get people pulled together. i think tomorrow is not such a long wait. i'm sure they want to get everybody -- there may be people who are not available, they want the full component of it. >> can you talk a little bit about the process in both deciding for this pause and what comes next? first off, did the white house have any advance notice of the issues with the j&j vaccine, and was there involvement from the white house in deciding this? how do you evaluate when to pause vaccines? are we going to see more of these pause in the future if these pop up? >> why don't you do the first part and i'll do the second. >> this decision was made by the cdc and fda. that's one of the things i think is such a good thing about our

system here, we're ruled by the science, not by any other consideration. so the decision was really thoroughly made by the cdc and fda. >> and following the science, we were notified last night that there would be an announcement this morning, and, therefore, had no other involvement other than knowing last night there was would be an announcement from the fda and cdc. >> in this review, what's going to happen? what are they looking for, evaluating? when can we expect a conclusion? >> they want to see were there any clues of noir things going on? for example, hypothetical, if they're going to make a decision to go forward and say we looked at this, if they find some common denominators among the women who were involved that might be sinner guising and essentially enabling this type of adverse event, they may know that for those who don't have that, it may be much safer.

there may be clues when you go down and really get granular about every single case. in addition they want to look at what some of the mechanisms are. the mechanisms may give some insight as to what is going on. >> can we expect further pauses in the future? which this keep happening with vaccines because they're so new? >> if you look at the history -- take a look at what's gone on with the moderna and pfizer, where you have literally tens and tens of millions. just watch this carefully, there have been no red flags. when you have a red flag of something that is as serious as thrombosis, particularly when you have an individual who died, you take that seriously. so i don't think that minimal things that very likely have nothing at all to do with the vaccine that we're going to pull the trigger so quickly to keep stopping and stopping and

stopping. i think this is an unusual occurrence of a serious adverse event you want to make sure before you go forward, you investigate it thoroughly. that's exactly what they're doing. they're pausing so they can look at it more carefully. >> thank you. a couple for dr. fauci first. given the impact of patients were all women between 18 and 48, should women under 50 be excluded from getting the j&j vaccine? >> the question you're asking gets back to several of the questions here. that's the reason why the cdc and fda want to take a look at this and say, are there some categories now where people outside of that category don't have any other factors so it will be okay to go on? it is entirely conceivable, making no predictions, that there may be some restriction in an age group or not. we don't know that now. that's