tips, we appreciate the public's support on that, but definitely it doesn't appear to be the number of tips we have on the pipe bomb matter. >> chris, a $100,000 reward from the fbi in this case. >> scott, thanks so much. ayman will be back here tomorrow. "deadline: white house" with nicolle wallace starts right now. >> hi there, everyone. it's 4:00 in the east, breaking news in the cascading aftermath of the killing of 20-year-old daunte wright by police on sunday. kim potter has resigned. she fired her handgun at wright. she has a 2646 year veteran of the force. police maintain the shooting was accidental, and say that potter meant to deploy her taser, not her gun. brooklyn center police chief tim

gannon has also stepped down. mayor elliott, who last night was granted control of the police department in a vote by the city council, also addressed a swell of protest, overnight hundreds of protesters filled the streets. please confronted them in riot gear. the city of minneapolis has become a tinderbox with the latest tragedy colliding with the murder trial of derek chauvin, charged with the death of george floyd. today in minneapolis, the floyd farm gathered together with the wright family mourning the loss of another black man at the hands of police of the another family tragically sharing in the pain of so many others who have now become advocating against police violence. today the grief, the anguish and the outrage of daunte wright's family spilling into public

view. >> my nephew was a loveable young man my nephew's blood is on your hands. i've never seen my brother hurt like this before. never! to hear my brother and see my sister's pain. hold her accountable? holder higher than accountable. you train people on this stuff. you train people on this stuff. 26 years. 26 years p. >> a veteran.

>> say whatever you want to say. >> you all took him. they need to pay. she needs to pay. another family, another community in anguish, as calls mount for action over systemic racism in policing. these where we start today with some of our favorite reporters and friends. carmen best is here and former and jason johns johnss is here, and a contributor to msnbc. carmen, if you can just take me through today's events. tragically we have norms, we have other inns accidents like this to compare this to, and in that tragic context, i want to

ask you about the resignation not just of the police officer offend, but the police chief. does that signal some knowledge of catastrophic failures? >> absolutely. they recognize the severity and the tragedy of what has happened. i don't know if it would signal to the officer ahead of time that she was either going to resign our her employment terminated. i'm not sure about the under pinnings of that, but certainly in light of what has occurred, what has been purported to be accidental shooting and home side, them steps down does sing any fit, and there may be others before we know it that may move on as well. this is truttruly, truly tragic

seeing the raw pain of his aunt is very, very hard to see. it's so very disheartening, and we absolutely know there's going to be -- justice hopefully will be served, but also some good outcomes on how to move forward in policing. >> what is, in your mind, the plausibility of mistaking your gun for your taser. >> i could put a number on it. it just feels inexplicable, you know, when so many people -- so many officers carry tasers, and i've talked with my own, because i can't understand how the taser is designed to be very different than the sidearm or firearm. it's much lighter in wait. many have green or yellow, gold,

a different color. officers usually don't carry them on the same side as their weapon. that's a recommended practice of training. so it just -- it's really inexplicable as to what happened, if there was just a mental breakdown or what was going on there. so we don't have the answer to that, but it is highly, highly rare and unusual for that type of mistake to be made. >> donna, jason, we have all tragically been on the air together for too many of these conversations, and so i just want to ask you, first, donna, what are your thoughts today on this story, achingly similar, with all structural problems really in place we talk about every single time a family has to publicly grieve like daunte's

family had to do today. >> you know, nicolle, as i was listening and feeling the pain of this mom and aunt, and, you know, hearing their pain that we've heard so many times before, and you know, a friend of mine wrote me last night that, how dare she have the audacity to be a black woman giving birth to black male children? in this world? i feel that same audacity and vanity, given what we all see too many times in america, and wondering how and when it's going to change. i don't know that i have an answer for that. even as we're in the midst of the derek chauvin trial, just miles away from brooklyn center.

so it is that pain that takes away something from each one of us, not to mention the pain of that one grieving family. >> jason, i read your twitter feed, but let me put out there a statement from the president and mrs. obama -- our hearts are heavy over yet another shooting of a black man, daunte wright, the fact this could happen, reliving the heart-wrenching murder of george floyd indicates not just how important it is to conduct a full and transparent investigation, but also just how badly we knee to reimagine policing and public safety in this country. jason? >> i've been saying we need to abolish american policing as it currently exists. it doesn't work.

we don't seem to have this difficulty when we're talking about any other eight. nicolle, we were having this discussion in my alaska and i pointed out, what is the graduation rate for high school kids in baltimore? it's only about 80%. people are always screaming, my gosh, baltimore public schools are terrible. they need to be taken over by the government. only 80% of these kids graduate. you know the average homicides that are solved by police departments? only 35%. you know the number of rapes and sexual assaults solved by police departments? less than 60%. you know the percentage likelihood of being shot unarmed as a black person is five times more than a white person? policing doesn't work. if we had that level of endemic failure in any other government agency, every politician in america would say we need to tear this down to the studs and

rebuild it. anything less than that is gaslighting. i am tired of people saying, this is a tragedy. we've known it was a tragedy, and no one is doing anything about it. whether it's a mass shooting in a public school or another black man or another black rom, and i promise you, nicolle, before this trial is over -- i said this when the trial began. i was like we'll have another shooting before this trial is over, and we have one. if the trial goes another two weeks, we'll have another shooting. we need to start thinking of a different way to approach policing. if we don't have that conversation, then no one cares about it, anything else is window dressing. >> carmen, to jason's point, we do have the same conversation every time this trajts did i

erupts. and sadly, that's the variable. i'm sure there are nor incidents that simply aren't propelled to the public consciousness by video. i'm old enough to remember one of the solutions was body cam video. here we are, and it's still happening. >> i agree we need to start over. i just think everything has to have some structure to it. i don't believe in tearing anything down without a game plan, without a real remedy to make it better. in fact, when george floyd was murdered, one of the things that i thought was going to be the most difficult was we have rallies and riots and, you know, gatherings, conversations, and yet there would be another incident where we haven't moved the needle, you notice, at all

in policing. so i think we do need to move the needle. we do need to change things. i do think there's a need for a structure, some sort of public safety, simply because, you know, i've been around enough to see enough people victimized by other people that i know that there is a need for something in place to keep society safe and moving and functioning in a fair and effective manner. if what we have now isn't working, fine, let's look at other things. but let's have a real answer, a solution. because the risks are too high if you don't get it right, and the risks are too high if we maintain the status quo. i think there's an opportunity to get strong voices and then strong action behind those voices. i think you would find a lot of police officers would love to see a system where they could feel consistently proud of the work they're doing and not have the bad incidents tear the whole

thing down. >> there was a new incident brought to our attention by newly released video on sunday, donna. i saw it and sent it around to my team. there was a reporting in "new york times" that happened in windsor, virginia. the actual encounter with police and another black man, this one an army lieutenant, happened december 5th. there's a lawsuit that sort of precip tailed the video being released. windsor's town manager, the city where it happened, said in a statement that an internal investigation found that the officers who pulled over lieutenant caron caserio, the officers did for the follow department policies, according

to the police department they've been disciplined and ordered to take additional training, but only after this happened. let's watch. >> get out of the car. >> you received an order. obey it. >> i'm -- i'm honestly afraid to get. yeah, you should be. get out. >> hold on. what's going -- hold on. >> get out of the car. >> what's going on? >> get out of the car now. >> what's going on? what's going on is you're fixing to ride the lightning, son. you received an order, obey it. >> i'm honestly afraid to get out. >> yeah, you should be. get oat. >> hold on, what's going -- hold on. >> 804, deployed. >> get out of the car and get on the ground now, or you're going to get it. >> i don't want to.

>> take your seat belt off and get out of the car. >> for our viewers, just to note, this gets worse from here. carmen, if you could put this into context, what in the ever-loving universe is any of that conduct in line with the way you treat anyone? two hands out the wind. obviously someone that represents no threat to the police officers. >> i really wish i could add anything. it's ridiculous. a man in military uniform, you know, clearly is explaining in very clear terms why he's nervous, and obviously so. the officer says something to the effect of you should an you're being to ride the lightning, son. anybody would be afraid with people pointing handguns, yelling those things. when he asked what the problems was it's your tags on your vehicle. we would like to talk with you about it. it's such a minor nothing.

it's just hard to believe all of this transpired out this incident. it's complete le reprehensible. i believe both officers' employment have been terminated, if i'm correct. this is why we have the problems we have today, you know, because these incidents occur. i, of course, believe the vast majority of incidents don't result in there, but it's appeal. >> my point in bringing this into the conversation is thank got lt. nazario didn't pay with his life, but the escalation is the universal i think distinguishes sort of trait in everything we talked about. that's where they thence seem to diverge between, dare i say, maybe how i would get treated and how a black man gets

treated. my question is, what can the federal government do? what can the biden administration do now so that doesn't happen tomorrow and the next day? i hear what jason is saying about starting over, but this is a problem now. we're playing whack-a-mole every single day. >> nicolle, these are the ones we see. think about how many incidents in this country we don't see. it's precisely the opposite of the deescalation that we've all been talking about over the last couple years. there is now an investigation coming out of both the state police and the attorney general's office in virginia, but also, i think that the department of justice has to get really reengaged again about looking at pattern and practice, investigations of police departments across the country.

as we can see, windsor, virginia, a very small police department, minneapolis larger, brooklyn center in between. it doesn't matter the size of the department. it apparently doesn't even matter the training, because the training is violated so much. so, i mean, i point to maryland, my home state, which over this last week passed very sweeping reforms in criminal justice and in policing, and it's the first state to really do so at that level, and we still have a lot of work to do to make sure that these incidents don't happen again. but to jason's point, it's so widespread that it is inevitable until we get control over it. >> jason, i'll give you the last word. >> there is a process that the federal government can engage in right now. they can collect some of the

data which was started in the obama administration and trump administration, use of force. departments have too much use of force. you will lose all of your federal funding if these people are not fired. these a breakdown as to what this police department does. you're only dealing with violent crime 125% of the time, so you only neat 15 percent prepared for that. the revenue is traffic stuff. they don't necessarily have to have guns. increase the amount of social workers so you don't have cops negotiating domestic violence instances. there are things the federal government can do. this is a lack of will on the part of an administration. not a lack of ideas and not a lack of resources. carmen best, thank you for being part of this conversation. we're grateful for you. donna and jason are sticking around. when we come back, a sudden

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today a potential setback. there's a pause out of an abundance of caution. experts will now examine safety issues after six women developed an extremely rare blood clots. one of them died, another hospitalized. vaccine has been since been used to protect nearly 7 million u.s. adults from covid. the biden administration says this will not have a significant impact on the vac vaccination

efforts. >> the bottom line is the vaccines, moderna and pfizer, that are now being administered, are clearly safe and are saving lives, and every american should good vaccinated when it's their turn. >> there have been no red flags. when you have a red flag, you take that seriously. joining our conversation is dr. kavita patel. i spoke to a white house official who said they were prepared for some challenge in this rush to vaccinate americans and to beat these variants. that is why they purchased so much supply of all of them, frankly, but especially of

pfizer and moderna. how do you evaluate this news today on j.j.? j&j? >> hopefully i can give people some solace in what you said. it's extremely rare. i can talk about all the other type of adverse effects, things we see in other vaccines. i'm not dismissing the person that died, the families that are dealing with it. they are incredibly affected by it, but you can't vaccinate billions of people and have zero side effects, adverse events or risks, and while many are criticiing that they are overly aggressive, the fda is doing what they need to do. i hope by tomorrow afternoon when the advisory committee is scheduled to discuss and vote on what this means, we will get clarity, but as you heard, i think this was the right thing to do. i would ask the question with

the alternative, how many cases of the clots would we wait for? either way, nicolle, it feeds into the vaccine kind of myths and misinformation. i think our job today going forward is to fight it and to reinforce to people these are safe, these are effective, we still have people dying from covid and these vaccines prevent death. >> you got there ahead of me. it seems that to people listening to dr. faui and yourself, we're going to hear it in context, but to the disinformation echo chamber that's doing a lot of harms with communities that are reluctant or hesitant, do you fear this fuels that anxiety among those populations? >> oh, absolutely. i describe this and i feel this. it's been a long time since i felt depressed.

today, listening, watching the press conferences, i was depressed. it's a gut blow to the world's vaccination effort. these are really good vaccines. i would say that about astrazeneca, too. the benefits outweigh the risks. i'm watching countries, entire countries, family members who have died in india, pakistan. they would give anything to have a chance at one of these shots. nicolle, i was just on the phone with our clinics, we are looking at possibly throwing out doses if people don't want this vaccine, and at the same time i've got 20-year-olds in the hospital. so i think this is a gut blow. i think it reinforces something we talked about, that we have had so much misinformation, such a lack of credibility in science, anybody who is concerned or curious will be watching tomorrow as the cdc is covering this, and we want to bring those conversations transparently to light, and that's the most important thing we can do.

if anything we have learned through january 6th, we need more of these conversations to be public and look at the facts. that's what we're going to do. that means if you are not vaccinated you are that much more likely to being susceptible. >> and donna, it is such a -- you know, i don't know anymore if we're wired for nuanced medical information. i worry that some of those receptors were bludgeoned over the last four years, especially the last year of the trump administration, but the setback is between the last guy and the current president is most clear -- can you just pick up on dr. patel's comments about -- and offer your insights how the biden administration handle this news today?

>> well, first of all, i thought the level of transparency was really revealing to me and reassures. i have had a family member who just got the j&j vaccine, so we all as family, as lay people, really listening. it was helpful to hear the medical information that information can get out to doctors so they will know how to recognize and treat the conditions. information about what patients should look for, i thought dr. fauci did an amazing job explaining that in the press conference today. so what i can contrast that with is the level of transparency that's been offered by the biden administration so that as lay consumers, as medical professionals, we understand what's going on right now and we

are preparing ourselves for it. unlike dr. patel, i was actually really comforted by what i heard today, because it gave our family some level of confuse et after the initial storm. >> jason, i have not a lot, but a couple -- not antishove vaxors, but vaccine-frightened people in my life. i know this news lands differently. if you're vaccinated and you sort of have been relieved from the anxiety, you become almost evangelical, but if you're in the category that's not antti, but simply frightened, this news was hard today. >> yeah, nicolle.

i have a lot of people in that category in my life, the people who are like, i don't know if i want to go, i don't know which one i want to take and there's anecdotal. it will be interesting to see public trust versus pfizer and moderna. i've had conversations with people who their fear is that they can't choose, because they somehow have it in their head that one vaccine is significantly better than another. i would like to explain if you go to mcdonald's there's coke projects, at carl's, jr., it's pepsi. it's still soda. but we already know the white conservative, republican men are least likely to take the vaccine even when it's available, but the bigger issue is the squishy middle who think there's a radical difference from one vaccine to another. that's, i think the real public

policy issue going forward. >> dr. patel, i'm going to let you speak to that. i wasn't given a choice. i don't know a lot of people that were. can you speak to the efficacy of all three of the vaccines in america? >> yeah, all three prevent death. it's incredibly amazing when you think about the fact that i can say that, given the death we are seeing with covid, and all three prevent severe hospitalization or dramatically reduce the risk of ending up being severely hospitalized. now we're getting data that there's probably an incredibly low risk of giving the virus to someone else. because we're talking about variants in misch a good, new york, florida, all three so far are effective against the variants we are recognizing. in different degrees, but effective enough to overcome

them today. i can't -- this is a time when all four of us agree, but the messages will be mixed. i'm very worried. i have a lot of young women of color who have been hesitant because of all these concerns of what this could do to their pregnancy, their fertility, and explaining this is hard. i expect we might see some advisories to avoid it with certain age groups, but we're getting into the stage where people will have choices. the united states is going to be in a luxurious position to have a choice. the rest of the world is not in that position. we can't end this pandemic without taking a global responsibility. that's where i'm a little worried. >> well, that's something we

should spent more time on here. if we just can remember what happened a year ago, ifs whole world isn't safer, none of us are safe. this happened because we live in a world where people are free to come and go. dr. patel, jason johnson, thank you. donna is sticking around a little longer. the defense team for derek chauvin attempting to puts george floyd's history and past drug use on the stand today. our legal experts weigh in on that strategy, just ahead. rts w that strategy, just ahead. yeah...uh... doug? sorry about that. umm... what...its...um... you alright? [sigh] [ding] never settle with power e*trade. it has powerful, easy-to-use tools to help you find opportunities, 24/7 support when you need answers plus some of the lowest options and futures contract prices around. don't get mad. get e*trade and start trading today.

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after 11 days of testimony from the prosecution, the defense is now making its case to the jury to try and convention them beyond a reasonable doubt that derek chauvin was not the reason why george floyd died last may. defense attorney eric nelson presenting evidence and witnesses from george floyd's past, including his history with drugs and an earlier arrest. also after seeing the prosecution call several use of force experts, the defense called its own today. barry broad, an expert in police practices testified chauvin was justified in his use of force. >> there's been many instances where handcuffs were replayoff from a drug-influenced suspect. as soon as they were removed or some type of first aid measures started to be applied, the

person is right back to fighting you and you're in a fight for your life. so i have trained and i've been trained that when you're dealing with drug influenced persons, they stay handcuffed until they're taken to a medical facility. >> during cross-examination he was reluctant to -- >> at some point the defendant is on top of him. is that right? >> i think he had his knee on him. i don't know that i would describe that as being on top im-. the knee is in the upper back -- >> is it on the top or bottom of his back. >> top of the head? >> where is his need? >> i see his knee on the upper spine and neck area. >> is the upper spine then on the top? >> okay.

we can use top. >> you would agree with me then? >> yes. let's bring in megan fitzgerald, live for us in minneapolis and chuck rosenberg. what does a jury think a person who doesn't call the top a top? >>. >> not much, nicolle. you don't need an expert to tell the jury what the top is. so mr. broad's failure to concede something obvious undermines his credibility. experts witnesses senior chosen because they have a point of view that agrees with that side of the case. you can lose your credibility if you refuse to concede obvious points. i don't think mr. broad helped

himself or the defense's case by refusing to tell the jury that the top is the top. once you do that, it's a slippery slope. if i were a juror in that case, i'm not sure i would be inclined to listen to much else of what he had to say. moreover, in closing argument, the prosecution can show a bit of incredulity. this is a guy who didn't agree that officer chauvin was on top of mr. floyd. ignore him, look at the video and trust your common sense. >> megan, maybe i'm scarred from the politics i've covered for the last four years, but it seems a sign the desperation when the jury is being asked not to trust their eyes and their ears and their senses and what they see before them. >> nicolle, absolutely. it was interesting.

there was a part of the back and forth with the prosecution where they're actually showing the video, and then they circled in on the moments when his toe licht off the ground. the question was posed if that was a moment when more pressure was put on george floyd's neck. he disagreed. he didn't say that that was a moment more pressure was shown. and they showed the video again. it certainly does suggests they were trying to tell the jury not to believe what is before their eyes, nicolle. >> chuck, what do you make in terms of the choices before the defense? there's a bit of a parlor game going on about whether or not they have ex-officer chauvin testify. where do you see their deliberations at this point in their case?

>> well, those deliberations are competingly difficult. they have to be formed by mock cross-examinations. you don't just decide on a whim to put the man on the stand. i would expect they're calling in former prosecutors or defense lawyers to do mock or moot cross-examinations of chauvin to see how he stands up. will they apologize for some of his conduct? only if we are flies on that wall would we know if it's viable. does the jury want to hear from him? of course. are they entitled to hold against him his refusal not to testify? absolutely not. and the judge will instruct them. this comes down to things we can't know right now, which is how is he doing when they put

him through mock or moot cross-examinations. this is the most difficult a defendant and defense counsel have to make. i don't envy them, but would i want to hear from him? you bet i would. >> do you have any sense of how this has landed? they have obviously seen a lot of mr. chauvin's attorney and the cross-examinations, but any color from inside the courtroom today? >> reporter: so what we're learning from the pool reporter inside, there's a difference with regard to the jury from the morning to the afternoon. in the morning, maybe not as attentive. in the afternoon, leaning in, everyone seemingly taking notes. very attentive. but i think what is interesting here is the pace at which the defense is calling their witnesses is quite swift, quite fast. this is the first day they are

presenting their case. they have already called six witnesses. the judge is telling us the defense could rest their case as early as thursday, nicolle. meagan fitzgerald, thank you. vice president kamala harris paying her respects a few moments ago. more, just ahead. respects a fe moments ago. more, just ahead ♪ (ac/dc: back in black) ♪

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♪ amazing grace ♪ ♪ how sweet the sound ♪ ♪ saved a retch like me ♪ >> today, another emotional day in washington. fallen capitol police officer william "billy" evans is lying in honor in the rotunda of the u.s. capitol today, the very grounds he spent almost two decades of his life protecting. it's also where he lost his life. evans died on april 2nd when someone drove their car into a barrier at the capitol complex and struck him. he leaves behind two children, their mom, and his mom, and the capitol police force that had already lost three colleagues stemming from the january insurrection. a few hundred of its members saluted evans outside the capitol today, and president biden reflected on the moment,

collective mourning amid an exhausting year of unmatched sacrifice and fatigue for capitol police. >> i've been here since 1972 as a u.s. senator, '73. so much strain and responsibility had been placed on the shoulders of the capitol police, and you hear it, you see it, you watch them, and you watch them do their duty with pure courage, not complain. >> joining our conversation, nbc news capitol hill correspondent garrett haake and donna edwards is back with us. garrett, it's happened again, this police force that has been literally battered has lost another one of its own. >> yeah, i mean, twice this year, we've had capitol police

officers lie in honor. only six americans have lied in honor in the history of this building, and so the gravity of what i think we all experienced today isn't lost on anyone who was there, who covered it, or who watched that ceremony. it's a different experience from january 6th and officer sicknick lying in honor, really a different experience altogether. after the 6th, we kind of had all gone through that together and i think there was more of this collective catharsis around this. this felt, today, tailored so much more to, appropriately so, the family of officer evans, both his biological family, his incredibly adorable children who i think soon to be the only people in the room who could kind of keep it together. at one point, his daughter, you know, comforting her mother when she was crying. and also, his family wearing the badge, the capitol police officers who have been through more than any of the rest of us in the capitol hill community over the last couple of months. they are overworked. they are understaffed.

and they were remind add few weeks ago when officer evans was killed that their workplace is still, from time to time, going to be a dangerous place to come to work every day. so, i think this was a really important moment, particularly for that slice of the community and for all of us to kind of say thank you, in a way, to capitol police, who this was their tragedy in a way that january 6th was sort of part of all of this. this was their moment, and i'm glad they had it. >> donna, to garrett's point, today is about paying tribute, and that's about all you can do. this family cannot get their father back or their husband back. but there is a crisis in the capitol police. they have been working, and this is garrett's great reporting and all of our capitol hill team has reported on this crisis among this force. there are younger officers looking to transfer to other law enforcement agencies.

there are many officers who are nearing retirement who plan to do so, and there's still a shortage of people willing to join that force. how do you fix that? >> well, i mean, you know, the recommendations have been made, and i think congress is going to have to come up with both the money and the pathway to make sure that the capitol hill police are stood up in the way that they need to be. they're understaffed by, i think, about 250 or so police officers in addition to the hundreds more that are recommended in order to provide the kind of protection force that they need for the capitol, and keep in mind that they also are working every day at the scene of the crime and that that burden that they share, which is both mourning their fellow police officers who have lost

their lives but also the ongoing responsibility to show up every day and protect and defend the capitol, and i'm glad today was an opportunity both to honor officer evans but also to salute and honor all of his law enforcement family as they mourn but show up every day still to do their jobs. it's an amazing strain that they are bearing right now, and congress needs to step forward and make sure that they have all of the tools and resources they need to be able to be effective in doing their jobs. >> garrett, the chairman of the u.s. capitol police labor committee said last week we're struggling to meet existing mission requirements, even with the officers working massive amounts of forced overtime. in the next three to five years, we have another 500 officers who

will be eligible to retire. many of these officers could put in their retirement papers tomorrow and many younger officers confide they're looking at other agencies and departments right now. do they feel supported? i mean, do they have a feeling that members of both parties have their back right now? >> reporter: i think there's a difference between feeling supported in terms of knowing that you are valued by this community and knowing that your value is going to be supported in terms of hours you can continue to work and not lose your family in terms of making sure you are appropriately compensated. and those are the ways to show the value to these officers that i think is going to have to get handled in the next few weeks, and we know they're working -- the house in particular is working on a supplementary spending bill to boost money for the capitol police department but they could give them millions of dollars tomorrow. it's going to take time to hire the officers they need. that's the best way these officers can see and feel support from this community is to be able to take a day off.

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i never had to tell my daughter if she's pulled over, make sure she puts -- for a traffic stop, put both hands on top of the wheel and don't reach for the glove box because someone may shoot you. but a black parent, no matter how wealthy or how poor they are, has to teach their child when you're walking down the street, don't have a hoodie on when you go across the street, making sure that you, in fact,

if you get pulled over, just yes, sir, no, sir, hands on top of the wheel. the fact of the matter is, there is institutional racism in america. >> hi again, everyone. it's 5:00 in the east. then-candidate joe biden acknowledging the deeply-rooted issues of race and policing in this country. when asked about a common occurrence among black families. having the talk with their children. now, as president, in the wake of yet another black man killed at the hands of law enforcement, president biden is demonstrating the fight against systemic racism is an issue front and center for him and his administration. here's the president today during a meeting with members of the congressional black caucus. >> but we're in the business, all of us, meeting today to deliver some real change. when we took office, having talked with jim at length about this, every single aspect of -- i signed an executive order, every single aspect of our

government, including every agency, has as a primary focus dealing with equity. not a joke. we talked at length about it, jim. and not only -- but we also have an awful lot of things we have to do not only when it comes to police, when it comes to advancing equality, economic opportunity. i think we can make significant, significant changes. in the last little bit of legislation you helped me pass, we reduced child poverty, and we reduced poverty in black communities significantly, just by that act alone. one of my objectives there -- overall objective is to make those changes permanent. >> as the nation's open wounds around racial inequities reveal themselves once again and with aching frequency, the response from the top is the only notable variable here. vice president kamala harris echoing president biden's calls for change and openness, tweeting this last night about

the death of daunte wright, the 20-year-old killed on sunday by police during a traffic stop. quote, prayers are not enough. daunte wright should still be with us. while an investigation is under way, our nation needs justice and healing, and daunte's family needs to know why their child is dead. they deserve answers. brooklyn center, minnesota, is also searching answers. last night, the city saw its second night of protests, and while the president had called for calm and peaceful protests, hundreds of demonstrators violated that city's 7:00 p.m. curfew, clashing with police officers. 40 were arrested. the county prosecutor says he hopes to make a decision tomorrow on whether or not to charge officer kim potter. she's the officer who shot daunte wright. this time, what's different from the protests we saw last summer is that this city and the whole nation, angered by the lack of action on police reform, will be met with a new administration that has said it will tackle these issues head-on.

tomorrow, president biden's nominee, kristen clark, will appear before the senate for her confirmation hearing to lead the civil rights division at the justice department. the announcement of her nomination, she previewed what her focus would be. >> we are at a crossroads. i am -- if i am fortunate enough to be confirmed, we will turn the page on hate and close the door on discrimination by enforcing our federal civil rights laws. >> a new approach to race and policing from the top as the violence is ongoing is where we start this hour with some of our favorite reporters and friends. ashley parker, "washington post" white house bureau chief and an msnbc political analyst is here. also joining us, eddie glaude, chair of the department of african-american studies at princeton university and an msnbc contributor is back. and the reverend al sharpton is here, host of nbc's "politics nation" and the president of the national action network.

rev, there's so much new information coming in, just in the last hour. i want to get your thoughts on all of it, but let me start, first, you're in the center of so many of these tragedies because the families reach out to you. can you talk about this latest incident and daunte wright's family? >> i talked today with daunte wright's girlfriend, who they have a child, and i've talked to the father, and they're devastated, and they're devastated because you're talking about a 20-year-old young man losing his life over some tags of a car. and a stop to ask him about tags. and then they come up with a misdemeanor warrant. it makes absolutely no sense to them, but this is, again, a question of how we tolerate policing in certain communities. there's no doubt in many minds

that had this been a 20-year-old kid, another community, particularly in a pandemic when there's a backlog of trying to get your tags upgraded or updated, that they would have been told, make sure you get your tags straight. if there was a misdemeanor warrant, you need to go get this straight, or they would have said, we can follow him home if he got in the car to pull off. but to shoot him and your excuse is, it was an accident, a 26-year veteran that doesn't know the difference between the weight and size of a gun and the weight and size of a taser, and you put one in your side that is dominant, if you're right-handed, your right side, if you're left, the opposite, and the other one on the other. this just does not wash to the family, to the community, and in the middle of the george floyd trial, just a mile down the road. so, what it is saying is the continuation of a double

standard in terms of our communities when it comes to policing. >> rev, because the community listens to you, and we'll let you work out whatever broadband issue you were having there, there have been obviously just raw emotion, grief, anger, rage, despair, people spilling into the streets. what is your message to folks taking to the streets? >> anger and rage is understandable. the question is whether we do anything, are we going to get results? i think the answer is that we must, as you started this show, say to this administration, and this u.s. senate, that we voted in disproportionate numbers and this congress, that we need to see laws. all of this about healing without dealing with the affliction. the affliction is that police are permitted by law to get away

with this because there's no strong federal laws. this george floyd justice in policing act would give a real criminal act that these police could be measured and prosecuted by and remove qualified immunity where they are civilly responsible and at risk. until police know they will pay -- just today in kenosha, wisconsin, they said we're not going to penalize the police in the department for what they did when they shot a young man that we saw the video on that. until there is enforcement of law, there are laws and then the enforcement, why would bad cops not act bad when they know they can get away with it? how do we straighten out people in the community that go to jail? they lose something. there's a penalty. there is no penalty for bad policing in this country. that is the problem. and until we deal with that, you're going to keep having

various expressions of rage, whether it is those of us that do it peaceful or those that don't. i don't condone violence. i don't tell people that they're right to take property. but how do we keep telling them that when you don't hear from us that a peaceful or not, the people that are inciting the violence are the people that keep excusing bad policing with bad laws and no enforcement. that's the people inciting this. >> rev, susan rice, now president biden's head of domestic policy, said this. based on close, respectful consultation with partners in the civil rights community, the administration made the considered judgment that a police commission at this time would not be the most effective way to deliver on our top priority in this area, which is to sign the george floyd justice in policing act into law. what has to happen for this to pass and for the president to be able to sign it into law? >> we need to put this before

the senate. it has gone before the house. it has passed. we start our action network convention in new york tomorrow morning. it's a virtual convention, just attorney general garland and many people in the president's cabinet are going to speak virtually. we've invited the president. we need the law passed, and if we cannot get enough republicans and we need to get rid of the filibuster. it's already passed the house. schumer needs to bring it to the senate, and if they will not pass it with 60 votes, then we need to kill the filibuster or find a way to go around it, but we need to make law. how did we deal with jim crow, nicole? how did we go from the back of the bus? it wasn't the riots. it wasn't even just the marches. it was the marches and all led to the '64 civil rights act and it became against federal law to tell us we had to sit in back of the bus. it didn't matter what the state of alabama said. it was federal law. if it was federal law that we could check in hotels. how do we deal with policing?

we need federal laws. this is not hard. this is what we've done before with any civil rights abuse. this is what we need to do now and let's stop acting like we don't know how to do it. it's the state, and every state would have to abide by federal law. it's right there in the front of the senate. we have a majority in the senate if we just do a majority vote, 50/50, with vice president harris breaking the tie. this doesn't take rocket science. it takes some courage to seize the time. >> eddie glaude, let's also not pretend like we don't understand what is standing between the biden agenda getting passed and not. what do you think should happen immediately to let the federal legislation that would represent just monumental change in the legislative structure around police conduct? >> well, pressure has to be brought on joe manchin, kirs

kyrsten sinema, those within the democratic party who hold a particular conception of policing that we think is problematic. we need to bring pressure to bear so that the rules of the senate can be, you know, adjusted with regards to the filibuster in this instance, nicole, if i understand the question correctly so we can do exactly what reverend sharpton has said. think about the very framework of 20th century policing in this country. when we think about how black communities have been policed in the early part of the 20th century, defined by a society that actually viewed black folk as second class citizens, our communities were supposed to be surveilled and contained. think about how that then transitioned into a discourse of law and order where even if you read the commission report, nicole, there's a sense in which we are policed and surveilled and contained. then that leads into the war on drugs and how that then devastates our community. in each instance, a form of

policing isn't to serve and protect. it's to police. it's to surveil. it's to contain. it's to incarcerate. it's to view black communities as threat. there's the political and legislative piece that reverend al is talking about, that you're asking the right questions but if we don't change the framing of policing, we're going to have to bury another daunte wright. parents are going to have to worry about their babies. see, this is the thing. we have to honestly confront who we are. policing in this country is rooted deeply in racist presuppositions about the criminality of black and brown folk. and until we honestly admit that, we can't make moves in these other ways. now, let's just say that at the end of the day, and i'm talking too much here, but at the end of the day, it will require adjusting the filibuster and

pushing manchin and sinema and others into a corner and asking them to make a choice with regards to this issue, nicole. >> i need you to talk more. i mean, why is that where we are? why are we satisfied to say one of the two major political parties is so racist that they're not even available to us, we need to pressure joe manchin to change the filibuster. is that where we are, eddie? >> i think so. i think so. look, we have to tell the -- i've been saying this for a long time. we have to be honest with ourselves. there's a political party in our country that's beholden to a certain set of insidious views about who belongs and who do not belong. we need to be clear about that. and then there are those of us who are kind of trying to be moderates, who think we can work with those who hold that view. there is no compromise, nicole. if the polity will be saved, there's no compromise with those who believe that america belongs only to white people.

if they believe that, they seal the fate of the country. we have to finally admit that, i think. >> ashley parker, i wasn't going to share this or bring him into this, but to eddie's point, the last guy's response was, quote, when the looting starts, the shooting starts. what does this white house feel is the priority when we have this aching sameness of another tragic death of a young black man, a father, who died at the hands of a police officer who the news accounts and the reporting so far, she's resigned, so has the police chief there, is that she reached for her gun instead of her taser. what does the biden white house want to feel different and look different today than when this happened on the former guy's watch? >> well, you see just the sheer

difference in tone and what the president and the vice president have said. they have not sort of come out blindly on side of the police as former president trump generally did. they both said that this latest death was senseless and unacceptable and i would also note that president biden in general when he came into office, he identified four major crises in racial inequity was one of them. and that includes what we're discussing right now and so much more. that said, when you look at the four crises he's identified, some of them have very clear metrics and benchmarks. on covid, the president can say, we wanted to do 100 million shots in arms in the first 100 days and we did that. we have this benchmark to reopen schools. when it comes to this racial inequity component, the benchmarks are a lot less clear, and there's a lot less tangible successes for this president to point to.

so, it's certainly something his administration cares about, that he is passionate about. he has used the same phrases the reverend used to describe jim crow, to describe the georgia voting law that's restrictive. but again, he hasn't been able to stand up there yet and point to these really specific, tangible changes which we can see just this week as we are bearing witness to yet another crisis and another tragedy in our nation. >> ashley, what he has, though, is a record now of showing his capacity to garner broad swaths of support among not just democratic americans but republicans, and let me just read for our viewers what is in the george floyd justice in policing act. it prohibits law enforcement from racial, religious, and discriminatory profiling. it bans chokeholds at the federal level. it bans no-knock warrants. it requires federal uniformed officers to wear body cameras. it creates a nationwide police

misconduct registry, and it ends qualified immunity. there is nothing radical in there. there's nothing far left in there. these are, dare i say, and i hope you don't think -- these are sort of consensus measures. do you think, they'll use what is a proven track record of garnering broad swaths of public support around the covid relief form to garner broad public support around those fixes? >> he certainly hopes to, and the advantage he has is that in addition to caring passionately about this issue and sort of being well positioned in it, he is an empathizer in chief as we saw today at the funeral or the memorial in the capitol. there's something almost pastoral about him. his other advantage in talking to some people in his orbit is that he is a white male. he is, you know, an almost 80-year-old white guy from a working class background, and if

there is anyone who can bring the country together and not be sort of portrayed or villainized as radical or out of touch, it is someone like joe biden. and that will be another one of the strengths he will be pulling on to make some real changes, try to make some real changes. >> and another thing, rev, that he did was he -- i know you were very involved in his picks at the justice department. let me show you what the new attorney general, merrick garland, said about the mission of the department's civil rights division. >> that mission on the website of the department's civil rights division remains urgent because we do not yet have equal justice. communities of color and other minorities still face discrimination in housing, education, employment, and in the criminal justice system. and they bear the brunt of the harm caused by pandemic,

pollution, and climate change. >> so, rev, i guess i want to come back to you on how you -- i mean, the pieces are in place to have a real difference from the last four years, but i wonder if today you feel optimistic or not. >> i feel today that we are at a place that we need to make a move. and i think joe biden is the person that can do it. he has the ability. the fact that he's a while meat, the fact he has a sensitivity. i was in the room when he met with george floyd's family when he was running for president, and some said, don't go do that. he went the day before the funeral. he has a sensitivity, and he has the knowledge, and he has people like judge garland, like those that are bringing -- being brought into the justice department, like gupta and like kristen clark. they need to be able to use all

their wherewithal. when i was a kid, lyndon johnson was at this same place, and he had the same set-up. and lyndon johnson was able to pass the civil rights act and voting rights act because people pushed the administration. we're going to push, and i think we're pushing people that will get it, but we've got to do our side. martin luther king said there are two types of leaders. there are thermometers. and they are thermostats. thermometers judge the jump, thermostats change the temperature. i'm going to stand with these families until we get the temperature to this country where everybody understand we need justice equally, not favors, just justice. >> ashley parker, eddie glaude, the reverend al sharpton, i thank all three of you so much for starting us off this hour and having that conversation. thank you. when we return, the shocking but hardly surprising hypocrisy

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i watched the months leading up to the election when the

president continued to tell the american people that the election was going to be stolen. and then we got to election day, and frankly, it was closer than most anybody thought, but the president then went on to say the election was being stolen, and -- but never put any evidence out there. and it went on for months. and frankly, i think the president abused the loyalty and trust of the people who voted for him by spewing that nonsense without ever putting any facts out there. >> that was former house speaker john boehner blasting, really going after donald trump's push to overturn the election results. a campaign that as boehner notes began way before election day, like, months before the election. with trump telling all of his supporters without any basis in fact that the election would be stolen from him if he lost. but despite that shameless and baseless attempt to undermine our democracy, guess who boehner voted for? donald trump.

he told "time" magazine, quote, i thought his policies by and large mirrored the policies that i believed in. i thought the choices for the supreme court were topnotch. another trump critic who can't seem to quit donald trump. nikki haley, who now says she'll stand down on a presidential bid and support trump if he runs in 2024. here's what she told politico back in february in the wake of the capitol insurrection. quote, we need to acknowledge helet us down. he went down a path he shouldn't have, and we shouldn't have followed him, and we shouldn't have listened to him and we can't ever let that happen again. joining our conversation, former rnc chairman and msnbc contributor, michael steele, nick confosri is here. msnbc political analyst. i used to watch "dexter" and it was like, he would be such a good boyfriend if he wasn't a killer. this is the sickness of the republican party. the sickness isn't actually anyone with the last name trump. the sickness is john boehner, who's, like, well, yeah, i liked

his positions on regulation so i voted for an insurrectionist liar, corrupt guy who was suspiciously cozy with vladimir putin. the republican party cannot be fixed with people like john boehner voting for donald trump in 2020. >> yeah, that -- yeah. that's the reality and the truth of it. how do you say, you know, i like the policy but, you know, the character of the man, the quality of his leadership, how he's helped us or not helped us through these tough times with covid, that's secondary to the policy. and john boehner went on to say, i voted for the party and not the man. well, the party is the man. he made that very clear. nikki haley, same thing. i mean, you can't sit there and say, he let us down, but if he runs again, i'll just stand down. well, okay, so, what does that say about your leadership? and that's the new frontier for a lot of these republicans is how do you express your leadership in the face of donald

trump? is it still putting forward the face of trump, or do you put forth your own and ask the party and the country to trust your judgment as opposed to trusting your judgment in trump. >> how does the party lay any claim to the mantle of strong leadership when they're so pathetically weak? they're hostages to the guy who incited an insurrection. in the words of liz cheney. >> well, they're not only hostages to the guy who incited the riot. they're hostile to the folks who are standing up and saying, dude, that's not what you want to do. that's not where you want to go. you don't want to follow him, you know? danger, will robinson, danger. you know? you just -- you don't want to do that. so, they shut down that narrative as quickly as they can because they don't want to confront that truth about themselves, nicole. that they have capitulated, that they have given in. it's one thing to rail against

trump after the fact. we still remember what you said at the moment. we still remember what you did in the moment. we understand what you said and did in the face of january 6th. it's like mcconnell, you know, giving that great speech after he voted to acquit the guy. well, you don't acquit the guy and then go, yeah, he actually did it. >> yeah. yeah. i mean, and nick confosori, it's also a warning shot to all of us in the media who cover republicans willing to say one, you know, critical thing of he who incited an insurrection and his supporters to, quote, hang mike pence. boehner is on a publicity tour to sell a book. he said some critical things about jim jordan and ted cruz, but pretty revealing in that "morning joe" interview that he -- or actually "time" magazine reported, i'm sorry, that he did indeed vote for donald trump, and that was after months and months of

perpetuating a big lie that if he were to lose, it would be because there was fraud or because joe biden cheated. >> look, i think speaker boehner is being painfully honest here. he's saying, you know, i'm not a huge fan of insurrection but i love supreme court picks and that's essentially the deal that most republicans have made with former president trump, that they got what they wanted out of him, what they needed. they got control of the federal courts for a generation. they got some deregulation. they got a huge corporate tax cut and i think in their minds, it was worth it. and as you point out, it was clear on election day when speaker boehner cast his ballot what was happening with president trump. he had spent months sowing destabilizing lies and conspiracy theories about the election. he judged it was worth it, we should have more of this man in the white house. that's the deal. and i think, look, president trump is holding his party hostage, basically, and they can't win with him, and they

can't win without him. he's their best fund-raiser. he's their most revered elder statesman. he is raising a huge amount of money to his pac and he wants a role in picking their senate candidates and he's going to be the king maker as long as they allow him to be. >> you know, michael steele, i never like turning this back on to democrats because they are the only party interested in governing from a place of principle and public service. president biden is trying to cure covid for everybody. he's not asking party registration before he jabs anybody. but is there something about the transactional nature of republicans that they could sort of jiujitsu and use to their own advantages? is there something to be taken of just how shallow and transactional gop's support is in the modern age? >> well, no, i think that's a very good point. and a lot of that is baked into the calculation that nick just laid out in terms of how the party looks at this and they figure, look, here's the bottom

line. what are the consequences? what are the consequences? all right, so, yeah, we lost the presidency, but what did we hear after they lost the presidency? well, it was donald trump, it wasn't us. right? they voted against trump, not against us, because we picked up seats in the house. we kept the senate close. and yeah, we lost it, but we really do still have some control, and the thinking going into next cycle is, we'll get them both back. and it is based on that calculation, how the voters receive this and perceive that at the end of the day, they still believe that there are more people who are going to align themselves with what they're saying in the trump orbit than what they see in the biden orbit, which is why they continue with the socialism narrative, which is why they continue with, we're not going to cooperate and work with him because they don't want to see that ground. and this is the sticking point that i think becomes more difficult in the next cycle.

biden has established success on covid. he's lining up the narrative on infrastructure and voters are liking that. they like what they hear. so, then, how do you reconcile that if people have their shots, the economy's back open, and guess what? my construction company is now back doing, you know, shovel ready jobs to help rebuild the economy. oh, and the republicans' message is, well, that's socialism, vote for us. i think that becomes a hard thing to sell, but that's the calculation right now. >> yeah, i mean, but nick, to turn it back on to the shallowness of the republican argument, i mean, a shot in the arm and your business being back open with people in your restaurant, eating indoors and outdoors, as a result of a vaccinated population, socialism is abstract. it's an attack line that people can't attach much to. but you're -- your restaurant being open, your day care full of kids whose parents are back going to offices and community work.

there are tangible sort of real results in people's lives, regardless of their party affiliation. i mean, the biden administration couldn't target their policies for the people that voted for them if they wanted to. so, it makes the way the former president governed seem ludicrous, where he didn't want to do anything for anyone who didn't vote for him. >> i mean, it's amazing when you think about it. you know, if president trump had done an absolute infrastructure bill like he said he was going to do over and over again, i think he might still be president. he had these moments. and what you see with president biden is his first two big things out of the box are pretty straightforward. they have some things republicans don't like in the congress, but they're broadly supported by the public. he's not doing, you know, edgy things so far, right? it's covid response and infrastructure, however you define it, and that, look, i think that is good policy and good politics from their perspective. and as you point out, we're

going to be entering, hopefully, a new phase in american life after a really tortured and terrible year and joe biden is going to be at the front of that train if so. >> nick confessore, thank you so much. michael steele is sticking around a little longer. when we return, the pressure campaign against republican efforts to restrict voting around the country is growing. hollywood, sports, big business, and now top law firms all coming together to push back against the gop assault on voting and democracy. that story, next. y. that story, next

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the grassroots coalition to protect voting rights in this country is growing stronger and bigger, seemingly by the day. the latest institution to join the fight, the american legal community. more than a dozen of the country's top firms so far, at least, have agreed to essentially join forces. the leader of the group says there are 16 firms committed to mobilizing manpower. one organizer described it as a, quote, s.w.a.t. team for legal action, an army of election law experts ready to dispatch at a moment's notice. they are just the latest addition to an effort that has exploded well beyond georgia into states considering similar voter restriction laws. in michigan today, for instance, 38 of that state's most prominent business leaders, including the ceos of both ford and gm, signed a letter

addressed to state lawmakers urging them not to pass legislation that would restrict access to casting ballots. it is more proof that this has become a united national effort. it includes major corporations along with black business leaders, voices from hollywood and sports, particularly major league baseball. and on that note, actually, proponents of stricter voting measures today are taking out their frustrations on mlb. senators cruz, hawley, and lee, three supporters of donald trump's big lie, as it were, announced a bill that would end the league's antitrust exemption. it's clear punishment for baseball's decision to move the summer's all-star game out of atlanta. joining our conversation is marketing and branding expert donny deutsch. michael steele, still here. donny deutsch, you proved to be right. i was skeptical that the business community had sort of the steel in the spine for a fight with republicans, but it appears as of today that they

do. >> hey, guys. great to see you, nicole. professor steele. always great to be here. if you're looking at a five-year business plan, here's what they're looking at in their businesses. they're looking by the year 2021, do i look foggy? something wrong or is it just my -- >> a little bit. do you want to wipe your -- you look a little foggy. give a little wipe. >> all right, just a little wipe here, okay? >> live tv in the time of zoom. >> okay, yeah. >> all right. >> you know, they're looking at five-year business plan. >> it's better. >> nicole, i'm sorry. you have such a great show and i always come on and it goes off the rails a little bit, you know? you got serious people like professor steele on, and i -- i just -- >> trying to figure out how he looks. >> love it. we're all trying to -- we're all trying to wipe our zoom screen, donny. you're all of us today.

>> we're looking at five-year plans and they see in their plans that by the year 2027, half of this country, half of the voting populace is going to be gen z or millennials and only 3 out of 10 voters are going to be born before the year 1964 so they understand this is the world, and nicole, i talked about this last week, and this is where it is. this is where the -- what i can't figure out the republicans is, they lose on the numbers. it's not even right or wrong anymore. and i believe most ceos hearts are in the right places. these law firms that came aboard, these are not some left-wing -- this is paul weiss, the most traditional, conservative, white shoe law firms. this is not the '70s. this is -- these are establishment as you can be. so when i see those three stooges, when i see lee, hawley, cruz, standing up there, they literally are stooges. they could not be more tone deaf

to the reality, the reality of where the voting populace is. one final fact. one out of three millennials will say they would take a pay cut to work for a company that shares their values. think about that. that's where the world is going. >> that's incredible. well, and i guess, michael steele, i'll come at it with you from another perspective. no, you were not foggy. we'll give everyone a screen test here. how do republicans live without -- go to war with every corporation that's against a voter suppression law? >> well, yeah. if that's tactically what they think will gain them opportunities with the base and perpetuate the cultural war narrative to some extent. that's what you saw displayed today. you know, ask yourselves, where were you a year ago? what's the difference between a year ago and now? what's the difference in the

2018 cycle when you had allegations in the georgia governor's race of fraud and corruption? you weren't jumping on the bandwagon of looking into what was going on in georgia there and responding at that point. because, oh, the republican governor won. that's right. that's right. okay, i get it. so, that's -- that's the reality here. this is no more than a display of noise, and you know, two of those three gentlemen have ambitions to become the next president of the united states. but they got to go through donald trump first, and of course this helps navigate them through that space to perpetuate the big lie in the face of what the supreme court, 60 federal courts, the attorney general -- former attorney general of the united states, oh, and the secretary of state in the state in which you're trying to bring this action said there was no fraud. there was no corruption. there was no illegality. so, what is the purpose of this? oh, you're going after business that's standing up on the side

of voters as opposed to standing with you and perpetuating the big lie. >> well, i take your point about them wanting to run for president, but they're going to have to become overnight advocates of public financing of campaigns because no one's going to give them any money. i'm going to ask both of you to stick around. we have to take a quick break. more donny deutsch and michael steele on the other side. don't do anywhere. ichael steele on the other side don't do anywhere. for members like martin. an air force veteran made of doing what's right, not what's easy. so when a hailstorm hit, usaa reached out before he could even inspect the damage. that's how you do it right. usaa insurance is made just the way martin's family needs it with hassle-free claims, he got paid before his neighbor even got started. because doing right by our members, that's what's right. usaa. what you're made of, we're made for. ♪ usaa ♪

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[sizzling] i may not be able to tell time, but i know what time it is. [whispering] it's grilled cheese o'clock. we're back with michael steele and donny deutsch. donny, my question for you about sort of the corporate america's appetite for a real political fight is about the field on which this is being waged, and if i retain one sort of piece of muscle memory from my time working in republican politics, it's that they don't fight on defense. they'll try to get themselves back on offense. is corporate america ready to be part of the offense here? because the best way to fight voter suppression laws isn't to fight the voter suppression

legislation two days before it becomes law. it's to get behind voter access laws to try to make absentee voting available in more states, to try to make early voting -- i mean, are they ready to get on offense around voting rights? >> depends voting. are they ready to get on offense around voting rights? >> depends on companies. certain companies like levi strauss. where the offense will come from. you have hp, tesla. we're opening up new facilities in texas. pull them out. only so much of saying is going to do it. the offense to them is making statements like major league baseball, you don't get our business. it's over and done. that offense is playing in your own world. they can go to any cities they want, just like the all star game, go anywhere they want. what will make it work is the dollars, and those are the brave ones. right now last year out of 500

s&p companies, 370 put out statements about racial equality. it's going to take more than statements at this point. they're going to have to do it with their pocketbook, period. >> and michael steele, i think my question for you is i think the good news here, because the conversation is about the lack of principles and core even from speaker baner that can be lovable is there is no core on the right. if you have a power coalition that goes on offense, not just against the suppression laws but to create offense, you can really change the equation. >> yeah. i think that's right. and i think he has put it in the right box in terms of how that activism will materialize itself as we're beginning to see it form is by saying, look, you just don't get our business. you know, we are corporate citizens. that's been defined by the supreme court.

and, so, your supreme court, by the way, conservatives. and, so, you love us -- you love us when, you know, you got the full reigns under the law to take our money. but then you want us to be silent on the things that matter to our employees and our customers because at the ejd of the day there are more of them than there are of you. some of our customers and employees are republicans too. to engage on these big issues because at the end of the day, all the rnc wants and mcconnell and holley and others is stroke us the check but keep your mouth shut. that's a different space. it is amazing. and i would never have predicted we'd be covering the gop as hostile to businesses in 2021.

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