i ed indeed indeed you do. the moment you sponsor a job on indeed you get a shortlist of quality candidates from a resume data base claim your seventy-five-dollar credit when you post your first job at indeed.com/promo hi to every one. it's 4:00 in the east. happy friday. president biden is cruising to the 100-day mark of his presidency. far out pace his predecessor and illustrate the political power of fighting the coronavirus with science. by confronting the doctors and

scientist, president joe biden has secured himself an approval rating that gives him running from from a legislative and policy perspective. 59% of all american ace prove of the job president biden is doing. that's a number that's up 5 points from last month. a whooping 67% of all americans approve of the package. the front paj of today's new york mounting that the economy has turned a corner with more growth on the horizon. a promising turn around in global supply chains and retail sales which have blown past expectations. beyond the numbers and the data, americans are also signaling

they are finally seeing signs of the return to decency that mark the center piece of president biden'splurlty of americans, sa say biden has changed the tone and nature of political discourse for the better. 29 take the opposite view. gallup said the jump comes from republicans leaving the party at tend of president donald trump's tenure. only 25% of u.s. adults firmly identify with the americans. that's down from 29% last year. the swell of support for president biden across the u.s. comes at a moment he has chosen to seize as commander in chief for the u.s. armed forces. dominant on the world stage. throughout the week, national front pages plastered about the president's assertive and decisive actions from withdrawal

of troops from afghanistan to issuing punishing sanctions to russia to bold leadership on climate change boldly. it's against that backdrop that biden is poised to close out his first 100 days just two weeks from today. the reverend al sharpton is here host of politics nation and president of the national action network. al joining us, ben rhodes. it was before basement television had figured out way around the lags.

also pay dividends politically. the plurality of republicans supporting the turn out, it's impossible to explain how big ta number is in the polarizing country. you have 70% of americans supporting the coronavirus package that zero republicans voted for. how does the white house feel now? >> very good. the white house and biden, as you point out, has believed from the start that of anything he's going to be judged on how he handles the krors. there was a moment in the campaign where everything sort of pivoted to that as a critical issue. it's poured their energy into and the numbers are good any which way you look at them. the coronavirus package that he

pasted with two-thirds approving of that and him getting credit for the roll out of vaccine manufacturing and distribution. i think the question now for the white house is how they build upon these early numbers that are quite good and how they take that into the next sort of congressional package that they are trying to push. it's also indicative of congressional numbers and the congressional approval ratings in the new polls are quite good for democrats which gives into the argument that the biden white house has been making to democrats to keep the party united. the white house will continue to push the message with democrats on capitol hill as they turn toward this next pack of legislation. >> i want to put up some of the

then candidate, after he became president, for you ben. >> it will be based on science and not political pressure from me or anyone else. we know what we need to do to beat there virus. tell the truth, follow the science, work together. put trust and faith in our government to fulfill its most important function which is protecting the american people. no function more important. if we keep our guard up, stick together and stick with the science, we can look forward to a fourth of july that feels more normal. >> you had a communications job in the white house. i feel like we can have this

conversation. to make sure it's about the country. i don't know if someone has to do that kind of checking for the president. he has not given a speech about himself since he's been there. everything he said about the virus has been about beating the virus so people can get back to their lives. >> where do you judge the messaging? >> i think they have done an extraordinary job in their messaging. you and i worked in kwhous in communication functions for two very different presidents. i think there's three attributes that come across in the biden team's messaging. he's connecting with what people

are thinking about. the second is he's doing exactly a he said he would do. he said he would prioritize the virus. he did that. he said he could get shots in arms and checks in americans. he did that. he said h listened to the science. when you have this somewhat controversial decision to take a hold on johnson & johnson, people now that was the approach he would take. third thing he's done so well is he's defined for the public, what success is going to be for him. they were relentless in hitting the points. this presidency will be about covid, the economy.

>> well, to be perfectly plunts about it, the heat and the energy and the excitement on the other side of the aisle is around the lunacy of the insurrection and voter suppression. here is where all the heat is. ted cruz raised 5.3 million dollar in the first quarter. josh raisd fist hawley raised 3 million. whack a do qanon lady raised 3.2 million. here is john boehner pulling no punches on how loathsome one of them is. >> not going to beat anybody up. it's not really my still, x september that jerk. perfect symbol of getting elected, make a lot of noise, draw a lot of attention to yourself, raise a lot of money which means you'll make more noise and raise more money. >> i do multiple choice and let

you decide which one of the ones i'll named. it's ted cruz. that's where the energy and excitement is on the right. >> the thing you need to put into perspective, all of you said and our colleagues have said just now are correct, but let us remember this is all being done while over a half million americans have died. you have more than half a million people dead. millions infected and how do they think american families, all of whom either someone in

family or someone they know are infected or even dead feel when they hear all of this nonsense that they are running compared to a president who has gotten the vaccines out, who said what he would do in the 100 day, the first 100 days. he beat his own deadline and he's not out there talking about himself, as you said or talking nonsense. he is dealing with something that is immediate in front of everybody every day is how am i going to survive be this what about my cousin that's infected. what about my neighbor that died. he's dealing directly to where people on the ground are being impacted while they are are you positiving around saying the most provocative out rageous thing they could say to raise money like they are in an alternative universe and are tone deaf to what american people of all communities are feeling right now and that is that we are trying to survive and ride out this pandemic.

>> this white house may not always be close to 60% public approval rating and it's a country in a lot of crisis and the country has responded overwhelmingly positive to their choices but there isn't an alternative approach to the crises. the republicans aren't going state to state championing a plan to rebuild bridges and roads and airports. there aren't challenging conservative rooted problems. i think 561,000 americans have died in a year. there isn't a counter approach to the other side. how are they taking advantage of that?

>> they did offer a counter proposal of sorts. it was kind of immediately discounted by the white house because it was about a third of the cost of what biden thought needed to be done. he went forward and sort of stuck to his guns on the 1.9 trillion package despite no republican support and raising questions about his kplitment to bipartisanship within congress. his bet has paid off. republicans does not vote for that at all. even the congressional approval ratings are up for democrats. about half of americans support the job that congressional democrats are doing compared with about 32% who support the job that republicans in congress

are doing. biden feels like he's on a role. they have a strong counter proposal at the moment on much of the agenda. >> they refuse to condemn child sex trafficker max gaetz. they didn't do much to stand by liz chaney who came under assault. i think it's a lack of a message.

he does so with the vast majority of the public on the right and the left. >> first of all, it didn't surprise me. i sat in the situation room in 2009 with joe biden when he was the one person arguing strongly against the surge of troops in afghanistan. he's been very consistent. he said he would sanction russia. when i look at that decision, you make an important point here. in many ways it was a tough foreign policy call.

you know the military will put up resistance. it's very easy political decision in the sense that joe biden's argument from a national security standpoint is look, we have been there 20 years. there's not much we can do there milltarially anymore. the same risks that are there with us leaving now would be there if we left in up with year or two years or five years. at some point you have to leave. 20 years after 9/11 is the time for us to do that. that's an argument the public will respond to even if it creates division in the national community. it's an argument that fits completely into what he's trying to do at home which is say, we spent trillions of dollars in afghanistan and iraq, i'm the guy who is now proposing that we spend trillions of dollars rebuilding our roads and bridges and expanding this idea of infrastructure to the care that americans need and the innovation we can do here. it's a powerful message that taps into the desire that americans have to be enlisted in

something big. a big endevour. that's building this country rather than the open ended wars we have been fighting for the last two decades. >> also asserting american dominance with putin. i want to get your thoughts on what we learned in text of the treasury department sanctions that the loop has opinion closed around collusion. we know that donald trump's campaign, paul manafort gave sensitive polling data and information to konstantin. that those were handed off to russian intelligence and the russian government. what do you make of one of those enduring mysteries being solved ta from the highest levels of the trump campaign through russian spies the russian camp had the same strategy

information ha the trump campaign had? >> i mean it's quite literally like the definition of collusion. you're passing internal campaign information to a foreign adversary who you know is trying to assist your campaign. if that doesn't open and shut the case then nothing does. what it tells me, when i read that sentence what i was struck by is how much information was in the intelligence community for the last few years that was sat on and distorted. i think this is only the beginning of the amount of information we'll learn about a lot of things that have been buried in that intelligence community. you had a president in trump and enough people you went along with what trump wanted to do there to keep a lid on some things and put out disinformation in other cases here. i thought what was so interesting is that did it in stride. they didn't come out looking like they are seeking to punish the political predecessor.

they said we're taking action in response to what russia did and by the way, part of the rationale for that action is what happened in 2016 here. >> yeah. rev, ambassador described it yesterday as really trying to move forward, trying to put a period on the end of the ugliness around that relationship of the trump era. >> and did it in way that was the appropriate way and not making it a partisan attack on the predecessor but doing it in fact and doing it where they are projecting they are protecting the interest of the american people. i think one of the reasons that the polling on president biden has been positive in terms of the tone that he set is they are not taken even the eay shots to attack the predecessor. they have stayed above that even when they could score. you have to remember, you're

dealing with a predecessor that attacked members of his family, that went as low as they could go and biden has not responded in any petty way even if it was available to him. he's kept and returned the white house to a higher bar and i think americans appreciate that, particularly when we're living under the conditions that we are living now. we do not want to hear bickering. if you're in your house and you're suffering, you don't want your parents fighting. you want somebody to deal with the suffering. we are in pandemic. we have racial strife all over the country. we don't need a president taking pot shots at a guy we already voted out. we need them to lead and so far that's what biden has shown he's doing. >> thank you both so much for starting us off today. the rev is sticking around. we are waiting and watching for the joint news conference in the rose garden. president biden expected to take

a few questions during this very busy news week. we'll bring that live when it starts. in the meantime another tragic mass shooting last night. the president and democrats on the hill turning up the heat today urging lawmakers to do something about this country's epidemic. surprising voice coming out for police reform. all those stories and more when deadline white house continues after a quick break. don't go anywhere. ere.

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overnight another horrific and tragic mass shooting in this country. police say eight people are dead and several others wounded after

a gunman opened fire with a rifle at a fedex facility. he then killed himself. he's identified add 19-year-old brandon scott hold. moments ago fedex announing he was a former employee at that facility. they say his reason for leaving and motive last night are unknown to them. the tragedy is just the latest in a startling string and surge of mass shootings. 147 so far this year. it's april. 53 in the last month. that's according to the gun violence ar kooif. president biden called it an epidemic we should not accept and urge congress to hear the call of the american people. congressional democrats up the pressure with each tragedy on senate republicans to help them, to join them in taking action starting with house approved bills that would tighten background checks and review processes. joining democratic congressman eric swalwell.

as a presidential candidate, you made gun violence the center piece of your candidacy. what should we do right now, today? >> we pass backgrounds checks in the house. we pass the loophole put forward by congressman clyburn. my background check bill. the senate needs to act. if the senate does not have the vote, i hope they can strike a deal. if they can't do that, they need to ask themselves should they allow a minority to stop 90% of americans who want background checks from having that to keep them safer in their communities. i would suggest they should not allow that to happen and that could be worth breaking the filibuster open. >> you know, there's two sort of schools of thought among the

activists community. one is if the slaughter of babies four or five and six-year-olds didn't crack open this debate and soften their harden resistance that nothing would but the other side is that there's something about the daily nature of the massacres. we have had 147 mass shootings so far this year. it's the beginning of april, middle of april. where do you see gop resistance and obstruction to doing something today. >> we had republicans vote with us on the background check bills. credit to people like adam kisninger who joined. in the last two elections more money has been spent by moms demand action, every town brady to have gun safety laws and by the nra. these groups reflect the will of the american people and they're

going to have your back and protect you from the unfair attacks by the nra. i'm optimistic in 2018 we saw 19 nra endorsed members of congress defeated. the parkland generation has come of age. now the senate needs to reflect where the american people are. >> the trump campaign managed to convince their own base that the entire investigation, they use the word hoax. they were determined to undermine the entire predicate for the investigation. it turns out collusion was proven by the united states government. the public learned about it in treasury department sanctions yesterday. let me read you what the new york times writes. it's the strongest evidence that russian spies pen tratsed the

inner workings op the trump campaign. having the polling data would have allowed russia to better understand the trump campaign strategy including where the campaign was focusing resources when the russian government was undermining donald trump's opponents. that is by every definition, collusion proven. where do you think this intelligence was hiding before yesterday? >> probably with a lot of the evidence that the trump team buried whether it related to russia, whether it related to turkey, saudi. we want to see the interpreter notes that the president had destroyed in helsinki when he spoke with vladmir putin. my fear was not that we did too much but rather that we did not do enough and his presidency would not age like wine but it would age like milk and only look worse as time went on.

how vulnerable is our national security. who has been compromised because they chose to put russia's interest over america's. that's a pursuit worth undergoing. >> what do you do just practically speaking? do you want to have closed door sessions with the new leaders of the intelligence community to found out what they knew when they got there. how do you get answers about wa was given away or shared with russia or where we might have vulnerabilities that we don't know about? >> we don't sweep it under the rug. i think it's continuing to ask intelligence leaders just how much of the shop was russia able to get, whether it was our

national security secrets that we know donald trump was given to the russians in the oval office. that's been widely reported. how much did we lose and only to make sure that it never happens again. we have to be vigorous. we don't sweep this under the rug. they are not worthy of us turning our heads and saying for the sake we'll move forward and look the other way. >> congressman, today is the 100 day anniversary of the tragic insurrection at the united states capitol. the republicans, 12 of them opposed legislation to award medals to the capitol police officers who protected all of you. there's no progress outward facing toward establishing a commission to investigate. as you think of what happened after the 100 days after anything else, the patriot act passed, the tsa set up. i think we were screened in

different way for strikes. can you just take what you heard at yesterday's worldwide threat assessment about domestic violent extremism being at the top of the list and the lack of action in congress and make sense of it for us. >> see our leaders come together an fight it. we see republicans in denial that the insurrection happened. we saw yesterday that two a t almost every republican on the intelligence committee said that the intelligence committee should not be investigating domestic threats. it was almost suggested that's because you're going after their supporters or their friends. that's exactly what the intelligence community should be doing and to do everything to keep all of us safe as we go forward, if we're not going find that unity, i do hope americans recognize that when you have people in congress that just today we learn there's an america first kau issues that is

call for anglo-saxon values and have european type architecture in america. that's white supreme si. when those leaders are propagating that and in a culture where as you referred to earlier, we have a proliferation of guns, that intersection is very dangerous when people don't trust their government, don't believe joe biden is the legitimate president and by the way have access and it's much easier to buy a gun than it is to vote in this country. that's very dangerous. i feel like we're in this era of fragiity for our democracy. >> will you work with anyone in the house that doesn't recognize the results as free of fraud and joe biden is the legitimate president? >> i try not to. they have shown courage and leadership to work with to find

a majority on these issues. right now i don't have time for those who voted for the insurrection. >> congressman, thank you so much for spending some time with us today. we are still waiting for president biden's joint news conference with the prime minister of japan. he'll be taking questions and we'll bring it to you when it starts. up next, communities across america are raeltzing their flaws and calls for change are growing including calls from some of the unlikeliest of people. we'll show you, next. unlikeliesf people we'll show you, next [music: “you're the best” by joe esposito] [music: “you're the best” by joe esposito] [triumphantly yells] [ding] don't get mad.

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our own property where i pay taxes to pay for these police officers in order for them to harass me, have to worry about whether i'm going to come home at night and be on edge every time i step out my house. that's not just the type of reality i want to live and it's unacceptable. >> brooklyn center resident qu wilson telling us why he's taking the to streets in the wake of the death of daunte wright. protesters gathered for a fifth straight night in that city just hours after the former officer who shot wright made her first appearance in court on manslaughter charges. people also took to the streets in chicago after officials there

released video of an officer shooting and killing a 13-year-old boy, adam toledo. in minneapolis the murder trial of derek chauvin is coming to an end. each side is set to make their closing arguments monday. in virginia the police department is investigating two of its members. a wave of headlines highlighting a nationwide epidemic of police change. the conservative televangelist pat roberterson. >> i am pro-police. i think we need the police. we need their service and they do a good job but if they don't stop this onslaught, they cannot do this. the police in virginia picked up a lieutenant in the army and began to give him trouble. our state police are highly

trained. why they don't stop this and this thing is going on in minnesota about the derek chauvin. they ought to put him under the jail. he is caused so much trouble leaning on george floyd neck. it's terrible what's happening. why don't the police open their eyes to what the policing are and they have got to stop this stuff. >> joining our conversation, chuck rosenburg, former u.s. attorney and senior fbi official now a msnbc contributor. the rev is back. pat robertson is interesting not because of anything he says but because who he is. we think of the far right as being so hostage to sorts of the trumpian right. you have him acknowledging plain truth. >> it was something that i absolutely never thought i'd hear pat robertson say.

he and i don't agree on much. it shows you the level of concern around this country that we're having every week, sometimes even more than one a week. when you look at the fact that you have a 13-year-old kid with his hands up, shot by police in chicago and the tape released just in the same week, we saw what happened to the wright young man, 20-year-old brother wright in brooklyn center, minnesota. next week nicole, we're going to have a verdict, probably, certainly we'll have closing arguments on monday in the trial and we're going to a couple of days later see the funeral of this young man wright in the same time in minneapolis. i'll do the eulogy on thursday.

we don't know if we'll have a verdict. all of this compounded in matter of days while we're still dealing with pandemic. even a pat robertson has to say enough is enough. i believe that's why the senate must deal with the george floyd bill. there must be federal legislation. when you can get people from the right and left saying enough is enough then time for change is really pregnant with possibilities. >> chuck, the rev and i had a lot of conversations between election day and the appointment of merrick garland about how instrumental the justice department can be ahead of legislation being passed. i want to ask you with the practical impact is of garland's move today to roll back, to rescind the trump era memo con tailing the use of con sent decrees. can you explain to that. >> sure, consent decrees that are not used often enough are a mek mechanism by which under

performing police departments are held by account to federal government. the civil rights division is instrumental there. the use of consent decrees was rolled back under the trump administration. that said the police department accountable and there are enough that police departments ought to be held accountable. there are 18,000 law enforcement agencies in the united states from really, really good ones, thoughtful, sophisticated and progressive to really, really bad ones. while some of the solution will come from federal leadership and the department of justice and consent decrees and the word that comes out the mouth of the attorney general of the united states. most of this work, much of this work had the be done at the state and local level. 18,000 different law enforcement agencies. some quite good, some quite

awful. the consequences of being quite awful are quite awful. >> you know, rev, you just said you're going to be giving the eulogy on thursday. can you just talk about what your message will be? i still seered in my mind your eulogy from george floyd. i wonder what you'll pull from personally and what your message will be. >> we must really stop having to come and try to explain to families why the people that they pay as the young man from brooklyn center said in the interview that you played, why they are paying their taxes for people to serve and protect them and you end up with situations where you have an officer on the force 26 years, telling us she didn't know the difference between the weight and the makeup of a gun and a taser. at the same time we have a

policeman defending the right to put a knee on the man's neck for 9 minutes and 29 seconds saying the crowd distracted me. all of this, we must black, white, everybody, come together and say, wait a minute. we can't have this. we should not answer it with violence. we should answer it by getting legislation. we should answer it by aggressive protesting and really changing the laws. that's what they did against jim crow. that's what we have to do against bad policing. the good news and i'm going to stress this, is we saw policeman take the stand in this trial of derek chauvin. for the first time we're seeing the blue wall of silence broken. when i live love enough and fought this civil rights movement long enough to see chiefs of police get on the stand against a policeman and pat robertson come out for police reform, i know that there

is a possibility that we can turn this country around if we don't get weary in well doing. >> chuck, i want to ask you about some news that the new york times has written about today. the mother of tamir rice is the 12-year-old shot by police. he had a nerf gun. not real gun. he have shot by police. former attorney general william barr officially closed that case in december after officials concluded the video footage of the shooting was too grainy to be conclusive. what will the justice department do with the mother of 12-year-old tamir rice's request? >> hard to know because, nicole, in order to make a federal case, you usually have to tie it to a civil rights violation showing he was killed or targeted based on race, in his case. i don't know precisely why the barr justice department closed the case but i know you know

this from having worked in one presidential administration. so many of these decisions are made at the career level by career prosecutors and career federal agents. i don't know the particulars because i'm on the outside trying to look in. i'm not on the inside. these are hard cases for the feds to make. there is no sort of all encompassing, over arching federal murder statute. murder statutes are the province of the states. i don't blame the grieving mother to ask the justice department the look at something anew but these are very difficult cases to make. >> rev, you're aware the family is hoping the new administration

and new justice department with the process is. >> i do know this. , i support her asking for this case to be reopened. tamir rice has a 12-year-old playing in the playground was his civil right. there's the argument she could raise there's been a litany of cases. there was case of a plan and a woman shot at over 100 times in their own vehicle by the cleveland police. there's a case of this being reopened by this present attorney general. he spoke virtually at our national action network convention. you see the decent decrees spoke out, there's a pattern and practice of bad policing in cleveland and tamir rice was a

victim of that and his mother has been singularly vocal in trying to raise the issues for her son in an issue he was not an isolated case but he was a case that we should expect this new administration to look into. i think she is right. i'm not talked to her about it but i support it 100%. >> we'll stay on it. thank you both so much for spending some time with us. up next, reporting from the capitol hill complex. 100 days since the attack on it. what we have since learned about what happened that day and what's changed and what hasn't. that's next. what's changed and what hasn't that's next.

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here over the course of the next minutes to try to push these individuals out of this area here. >> that was our friend nbc's vaughn hillyard on january 6th as a deadly mob laid siege to the people's house right in front of him. all in the name of the big lie by donald trump that the election was stolen from him. today marks 100 days since that happened. since that report from vaughn. and questions still remain about how best to secure the nation's center of government which was just, again, attacked two weeks ago, taking the life of capitol police officer billy evans. an internal report by the capitol police showed a series of missteps that led to that day and the danger that those on the hill still face. let's bring into our conversation, nbc news political reporter vaughn hillyard, live from the very spot from which he reported for us 100 days ago. vaughn, i was just trying to remember how many hours we were on the air together. i think i was on for four or five hours that day with brian williams and rachel maddow and you were right there.

does it -- has it started to fade from memory? how does it feel to be there now, a hundred days after? >> reporter: you're right, and i think the part is that you asked that question that afternoon is the question we're still trying to answer a hundred days later because i remember standing right here on this west front of the lawn and there was no nine-foot fence at the time there and looking out, and you could not see law enforcement personnel within eyesight, and you asked the question, why? we were out there for hours, and that footage there as we looked up at those steps on that inaugural platform up at the capitol there, and remembering not knowing exactly what was going on up there and it was only in the days and weeks later that we saw that footage in which there was one capitol police officer who was literally beaten and dragged down the steps. we were standing literally 75 yards away from where that man was laying there, and we had no idea. and law enforcement didn't even have any idea except for that man there. you know, this was -- you know,

you asked me the question, and if i could, talking about the literal, physical apparatus here and what needs to be done. there's a nine-foot fence, still 2,000 national guardsmen that are still here on site. but the question, though, that we have still not wholly answered was what fbi director wray alluded to last month when he said that extremism has metastasized across this country and it is the fact that those elements that we saw come to the doorstep of the american democracy are still spread out across this country, nicole. >> do you think that what it looks like now, is there consensus that at least that much security is there to stay in is? >> reporter: you know, there's the national guard, the capitol police are back at the post here, but the reality is, when we heard from iag michael bolton of the capitol police right now is the fact that there are structural deficiencies within the capitol police force. we're 100 days removed from january 6th but that doesn't mean the plos is up and ready.

they had police shields that shattered because of age and the way they were stored. they had leadership issues in which there are capitol police officers that were put on the front lines as thousands stormed and attacked them in which they didn't even have heavy munition. they didn't have stun grenades that they could use as literally hundreds of individuals came and slashed at them. they used metal poles on them. they used hockey sticks. and i think we can't underscore the fact enough here, nicole, is that this fence, it doesn't stop the reality that there were folks that -- who fed off of lies and fed off of hate and we heard those at campaign events and cafes across the country and on january 6th, they came not only to the doorstep but they entered it here. >> well, on the other side of the fence are a lot of people who amplified those lies. nbc's vaughn hillyard, thank you so much, my friend. the next hour of "deadline white house" starts after a quick break. don't go anywhere. we're just getting started. eak. don't go anywhere. we're just getting started you need to hire. i need indeed indeed you do.

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i left the senate chamber where i encountered officer goodman, who suggested i return to the chamber because that would be the safest place. not terribly long after that, a official came into the chamber and said, you need to evacuate. and that's when i was most frustrated and angry. angry at those who had gone along with the big lie and told the american people that the election had been stolen. i pointed to a couple of people who had participated in that ruse and said, you have caused this. >> hi again, everyone. it's 5:00 in the east. as we continue to wait for president biden's news conference in the rose garden, with the prime minister of japan. today marks 100 days since the deadly assault on the u.s. capitol. a day forever marked as an attack on our democracy when trump supporters stormed the people's house with the goal of

stopping the counting of the electoral college votes and overturning the election result. today, a breakthrough in the investigation of the events of that day, which has resulted in charges against more than 300 people so far. from the "washington post," a founding member of the oath keepers has agreed to plead guilty and cooperate against others in the case. the first defendant to potentially flip in the sprawling domestic terrorism investigation. john shaffer has agreed to plead guilty to two of the six charges against him. unlawfully entering congress and obstruction of an official proceeding. what fueled shaffer and others that day was the big lie, the one they'd been fed by donald trump and his allies, that the election was rife with fraud and had been stolen. we can't say it enough. all lies. even in the moments right before and after the capitol siege, trump's biggest enablers admitted as much. >> nothing before us proves illegality anywhere near the

massive scale, the massive scale it would have tipped the entire election. >> when it's over, it is over. it is over. the final thing. joe biden, now, i've traveled the world with joe. i hoped he lost. i prayed he would lose. he won. he's the legitimate president of the united states. >> but their comments that day were too little, too late. they did nothing to stop the momentum or consequences of the lies. and when those lies turned to violence, turned to chants of hang mike pence, to grizzly attacks on capitol police officers, republicans did nothing to stop it. in fact, in the hundred days since the insurrection, members of the gop have continued to spread misinformation, casting doubt on the election results still and downplaying the events of that day. the big lie now is being used as a weapon at state capitols all across the country as

justification for new legislation designed to make it harder for people, mostly minorities, to cast their ballots in future elections. and new reporting from nbc news shines a light on how dangerous the threat of extremism stoke bid trump's disinformation really is. quote, they're the most elite, lethally trained members of the u.s. military. widely considered the best of the best. and yet, in secret facebook groups, exclusively for special operations forces, that were accessed by nbc news, they shared misinformation about a stolen 2020 election. disparaging and racist comments about america's political leadership and even qanon conspiracy theories. the story of radicalization in special operations is a story that needs to be told, said jack murphy, a former army ranger, and green beret, who has written extensively about the special operations forces community. quote, it has shocked and horrified me to see what's happened to these guys in the last five or six years. the very few in the gop willing

to stand up to conspiracies and lies are finding it's a very lonely path. from the "new york times," quote, mr. riggleman, former republican congressman of virginia, is a living example of the political price of falling out of lock step with the hard right. he lost a gop primary race last june after he officiated at the wedding of a gay couple and once he started calling out qanon, whose followers believe that to satanic network of child molesters runs the democratic party, he received death threats and was attacked as a traitor, including my members of his own family. we're now within two minutes of president biden's news conference at the white house but i want to introduce our friends watching with us, nbc news correspondent, carol lee. here's president biden. let's listen. >> to come to the white house. yoshi, thank you for making the long trip to washington. we've already met several times virtually at a g7 meeting and a

quad leader summit, but i greatly appreciate the chance to spend time with you in-person and to make our exchange our ideas face-to-face. there's no substitute for face-to-face discussions. we are still taking covid precautions, being careful, but our commitment to meet in-person is indicative of the importance, the value we both place on this relationship between japan and the united states. this partnership. we had a very productive discussion today when nations as close as ours get together, we always look for operations and opportunities to do more. and today was no exception. so, yoshi, you'll probably be seeing a lot more of me in the future. today, prime minister suga and i affirmed our ironclad support for u.s.-japanese alliance and for our shared security. we committed to working together to take on the challenges from

china and on issues like the east china sea, the south china sea, as well as north korea to ensure a future of a free and open indo-pacific. japan and the united states are two strong democracies in the region. and we're committed. we're committed to defending and advancing our shared values, including human rights and the rule of law. we're going to work together to prove that democracies can still compete and win in the 21st century. we can deliver for our people and the face of a rapidly changing world. so, today, we're announcing a new competitive and reliance partnership, c.o.r.e., between japan and the united states that will enhance our ability, enhance our ability to "meet the press"ing challenges of our time, together meet those challenges. top of our agenda is, of course, getting the pandemic under control and helping our friends

and neighbors throughout the indo-pacific region to recover. earlier this year, we, together with india and australia, launched a landmark quad vaccine partnership to expand the manufacturing of covid-19 vaccines and assist countries throughout the region with vaccination efforts. and we agreed to enhance our support for global vaccination efforts through the act accelerator and covid facility. we're also going to do more beyond this pandemic to advance longer-term goals for health security, reform of the world health organization, and establishing a new partnership, a new partnership on health security to build better preparedness for the next pandemic because there will be others. secondly, japan and the united states are both deeply invested in innovation and looking to the future. that includes making sure we

invest in and protect the technologies that will maintain and sharpen our competitive edge. and those technologies are governed by shared democratic norms that we both share. norms set by democracies, not by autocracies. so, we're going to work together across a range of fields from promoting secure and reliable 5g networks to increasing our cooperation on supply chains for critical sectors like semiconductors to driving joint research in areas like a.i., genomics, quantum computing and much more. thirdly, our nations are committed to taking aggressive action to meet the threats of climate change. next week, i'll be hosting the climate leaders summit, which prime minister suga also plans to attend, thankfully, to rally key nations of the world to making ambitious climate

commitments in the lead-up to glasgow's summit later this year. japan and the united states are both committed to achieving net zero emissions by 2050 and we know to do that will require setting and meeting our 2030 goals. and we'll work together to advance clean energy technologies and help nations throughout the indo-pacific region, especially developing countries, develop renewable energies and decarbonize their economies. and finally, both prime minister suga and i value the incredible partnership that exists not just between our governments but between the japanese people and the american people. last month, we jointly marked the tenth anniversary of the earthquake, tsunami, and nuclear disaster that cost so many lives in japan. i visited that area shortly after it happened. and our private lunch, the vice president -- the prime minister

and i talked about when i was vice president visiting the families in the region to show support of the united states. we continue to mourn the loss of all those folks and to honor the extraordinary joint effort between japan and the american people in the wake of that tragedy to recover and to rebuild. and those personal bonds of friendship and connection, they're the ones that are going to keep this alliance strong and vibrant for decades to come. and i'm especially proud that today, we agreed to resume what we call -- what is called the mansfield fellowship program to promote people to people connections between our countries. before mike mansfield, who was a beloved ambassador to japan, became ambassador, he was a mentor of mine when i came to the senate after my wife and daughter were killed.

and he helped me along in ways i can't even explain. in the united states senate. and i am proud. i'm proud that this legacy continues to be honored as part of the close enduring partnership between our nations. and yoshi, i know how proud you are of the people of japan are and you've got a japanese boy coming over here and guess what? he won the masters. he won the masters. he won the green jacket. and matsuyama was the first japanese player to take home that green jacket at the masters tournament this week, so let me say congratulations, japan, as well on that feat. mr. prime minister, thank you for making the trip. i look forward to all that japan and the united states will accomplish together in the coming years. it was a great honor having you as the first head of state in my administration. the floor is yours.

>> translator: it is truly a pleasure to be here in-person visiting washington, d.c. i would like to thank president biden and vice president harris who have welcomed me so warmly. i also wish to extend my gratitude to the u.s. government who have worked to prepare for this occasion. the united states is japan's best friend. japan and the u.s. are allies that share universal values such as freedom, democracy, and human rights. our alliance has served its role as the foundation of peace and stability for the indo-pacific region and the world.

in light of the current regional situation and the severe security environment, the importance of our alliance has reached new heights. based on such common recognition at today's senate who engaged in far-reaching and candid exchange of views on each other's political principles, challenges faced in each of our nations, our common vision and other matters. president biden and i reaffirmed the recognitions, confirmed at the japan-u.s. two plus two held last month and agreed to engage in initiatives for the region based upon such recognitions. we also discussed the free and

open indo-pacific. we agreed that while japan and the u.s. will take the lead to promote the vision through concrete efforts, we will also cooperate with other countries and regions, including the asean, australia, and india. we also had serious talks on china's influence over the peace and prosperity of the indo-pacific and the world at large. we agreed to oppose any attempts to change the status quo by force or coercion in the east and south china seas and intimidation of others in the region. at the same time, we agreed on the necessity for each of us to engage in frank dialogue with

china and in so doing to pursue stability of international relations while upholding universal values. on north korea, we confirmed our commitment to the cvid of all weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles of all ranges and agreed to demand north korea to fulfill its obligations under security council resolutions. on the issue of abduction, we reaffirmed that it is a grave human rights issue and that our two countries will work together to seek immediate resolution by north korea. encountering north korea and for the peace and prosperity of the

indo-pacific, both of us recognize that trilateral cooperation, including the r.o.k., has never been as important as today and agreed to promote such collaboration. noting that the regional security environment has become increasingly severe, the deterrence and response capabilities of our alliance must be strengthened. i conveyed my resolve to reinforce japan's defense capabilities while president biden again demonstrated america's commitment to the defense of japan, including the application of article v of the japan-u.s. treaty of mutual cooperation and security for the senkaku islands. we also agreed to accelerate the review under way between our two countries on the specific means to strengthen our alliance.

at the same time, from the perspective of mitigating the impact on local communities, including, first and foremost, okinawa, we agreed to promote the realignment of the u.s. forces in japan, including the relocation of air stations which is the only solution to avoid its permanent use. in responding to the unprecedented crisis faced by the international community, such as covid-19 and climate change, japan and the u.s. are mutually indispensable partners. president biden and i share the recognition that our two nations bear significant responsibilities to lead multilateral initiatives toward the resolution of such issues. in this context, we agree to

respect international order based upon multilateralism and the rule of law while exercising joint leadership to build back better our global community. based on such outcome of our meeting today, we are releasing the japan-u.s. joint leaders statement global partnership for a new era which will serve as the guiding post for our alliance in the times ahead, which strongly demonstrates our solidarity towards the realization of a free and open indo-pacific. from the perspective of our two nations leading efforts to build back better, president biden and i agreed on the japan-u.s.

c.o.r.e. partnership and confirmed to promote cooperation in common priority areas including promotion of competitiveness and innovation in digital science and technology, covid-19 countermeasures, green growth, and climate change. from innovation under the recognition that digital economy and new technologies in particular will bring about social transformation and huge economic opportunities, we have agreed that japan and the u.s. will work together on the promotion of various areas, including digital areas and others. regarding response to covid-19, from short-term responses to the longer-term efforts, including the preparations for future similar incidents, we will work on the promotion of multilayered

cooperations regarding the overall supply of vaccines and the reinforcement of japan-u.s. public and private cooperation in the area of global health. we confirmed that cooperations between our governments will continue. in order to ensure equitable access to vaccines, including access by developing countries, multilateral and regional cooperations will be promoted. on the matter of climate change, at the upcoming climate summit to be hosted by the u.s. next week and beyond, we confirmed that the japan and the u.s. will lead the global decarbonization in order to further strengthen cooperation in areas such as the implementation of paris agreement, clean energy technologies or decarbonization transition of developing

countries i agreed with president biden to launch climate partnership on ambitious, decarbonization, and clean energy. under these initiatives, i wish to give impetus to concrete and comprehensive japan-u.s. cooperations. i discussed the increase of discriminations or violence against asian people across the u.s. with president biden and agreed that discrimination by race cannot be permitted in any society. we agreed on this regard. president biden commented that discrimination and violence cannot be allowed and that he firmly opposes was extremely encouraging for me and i have

renewed my confidence in american democracy once again. i told the president about my determination to realize the tokyo olympic and paralympic games this summer as a symbol of the global unity. president biden once again expressed his support for this determination. japan is listening to and learning from w.h.o., and experts are doing everything possible to contain infection and to realize safe and secure games from scientific and objective perspectives, we will do our utmost in our preparation. freedom, democracy, human rights, rule of law as we firmly defend and uphold these universal values that japan and

the u.s. share, i look forward to the actual implementation of the outcomes of today's significant meeting and to realize a free and open indo-pacific by further collaboration and deeper cooperation with joe. i once again express my heartfelt gratitude for the kind invitation. thank you. >> now we'll each take a few questions, and i'll begin by recognizing the associated press. emir, you have the first question. there you are. >> thank you, mr. president. and thank you, mr. prime minister. mr. president, in your last press conference, you said successful presidents prioritize, and you were focusing your agenda on one thing at a time. i'd like to just ask you, what would you say to many of

americans who voted for you about the legislative progress on gun control and police reform having to wait while you pursue infrastructure? given that we continue to see these incidents with mass shootings and also police-involved shootings, including the incident that a lot of us saw in chicago most recently. do you feel any need to reprioritize your agenda? >> i've never not prioritized this. no one has worked harder to deal with the violence used by individuals using weapons than i have. i'm the only one ever to have passed an assault weapons ban. i'm the only one that ever got a ten-year ban on assault weapons and clips of more than ten bullets. immediately upon us becoming in office, having an attorney general, i asked him to put together the things i could do by executive order, including dealing with new guns that can be made -- you can buy in pieces and put together. and other initiatives. i strongly support the universal

background checks, which i continue to push. the congress has to step up and act. the senate has to act. and i strongly support and continue and never stopped supporting the ban on assault weapons and magazines that hold more than ten bullets. it doesn't mean that i can't also be working at the same time on the economy and on covid, but it's not a question of my being able to set the agenda in the senate as to what they will move to first. and so, i continue and i strongly, strongly urge my republican friends in the congress who even refuse to bring up the house-passed bill to bring it up now. this has to end. it's a national embarrassment. it is a national embarrassment, what's going on. and it's not only these mass shootings that are occurring. every single day, every single day, there's a mass shooting in the united states if you count all those who are killed out on

the streets of our cities and our rural areas. it's a national embarrassment and must come to an end. and one last thing. the folks who own weapons, the folks who own guns, they support universal background checks. the majority of them think we should not be selling assault weapons. who in god's name needs a weapon that can hold a hundred rounds? or 40 rounds? or 20 rounds? it's just wrong. and i'm not going to give up until it's done. do you have a question you want to offer? not a question. recognize someone, mr. prime minister? >> translator: sake newspaper. >> translator: thank you very much. the senate, i believe, china policy was one of the central agenda items, so my question is on china policy.

both governments consider that peace and stability of taiwan is of great importance and that had been the agreement between the two countries. what kind of exchange of views were conducted on this matter at today's meeting? in order to deter contingency in the streets, what can japan do, and what can japan do when actually contingency occurs in the taiwan straits? did the prime minister explain to president biden what japan can do under such circumstances? and also, were there discussions on the uyghur autonomous region, human rights issue. japan is the only g7 country that has not imposed sanctions on china. were you able to gain president biden's understanding towards such position? >> translator: as we engaged in exchange of views over the

regional situation, we also discussed the circumstances in taiwan and xianjang uyghur autonomous region as well. i refrain from details but there is already an agreed recognition over the importance of peace and stability of the taiwan straits between japan and the united states. which was reaffirmed on this occasion. i also explained japan's position and initiatives regarding the situation in xinjiang uyghur autonomous region to the president who i think understood my points. >> next question goes to trevor, reuters. >> thank you. mr. president, it's been a while

since we've heard an update from you on how the talks are going with iran. how are they going, and do you regard their decision to enrich to 60% as a step backwards as a sign that they aren't serious about those negotiations? and for the prime minister, just a question on whether it's irresponsible to move forward with the olympics when you have public health experts telling you that japan is not ready to do so. thank you. >> let me respond to the question. we do not support and do not think it's at all helpful that iran is saying it's going to move to enrich to 60%. it is contrary to the agreement. we are, though, nonetheless, pleased that iran has continued to agree to engage in discussions, in direct discussions with us and with our partners on how we move forward

and what is needed to allow us to move back into the jopca so that we're part of it again, that we should have never gotten out of it, in my view. without us making concessions that we're just not willing to make. and so, the discussions are under way. i think it's premature to make a judgment as to what the outcome will be, but we're still talking. >> translator: if i may invite kyoto news. >> translator: yes, i have a question to prime minister issuing regarding the tokyo olympics and paralympics. you had garnered support from president biden. did the president mention about the concrete promise to send american athletes or any positive comments if you can tell us about the exchanges and

the conversations during the meeting about the covid-19 vaccines or about climate change that you have discussed these aspects about the schedule of providing the vaccines or by 2030, the reduction target of the gases in a numerical target or actions were discussed, please. >> translator: as was mentioned at the beginning, i expressed my determination to realize the tokyo olympics and the paralympic games as a symbol of global unity this summer. and president biden once again expressed his support. japan will continue careful and full preparation in order to realize the tokyo games this summer in order to ensure equitable access to vaccines for

covid-19, though we also affirmed that japan and the u.s. will continue. our cooperation. regarding the climate change, this is a matter that both president biden and i emphasized, so during the talk today, we have confirmed to strengthen bilateral cooperation and collaboration in the area of climate change and have agreed to launch the japan-u.s. climate partnership, which is extremely meaningful and significant. >> well, thank you all very much. thank you, mr. prime minister. i look forward to having you back. thank you again, everyone. >> we have been listening to president biden hosting his first foreign leader, the prime minister of japan. this was the first of what is a tradition, two and two,

bilateral. we're watching alongside nbc news white house correspondent carol lee. carol, i took down some headlines there. the president got a first question about gun safety and made clear that i think his message can be summed up as, yes, i can walk and chew gum. i can push infrastructure and gun safety. he pointed to the same thing that a lot of democrats are pointing to, that even law-abiding gun owners are behind background checks. he described the situation as a national embarrassment that every day there's a mass shooting in america. he said i'm not going to give up until it's done. >> reporter: that's right, nicole. and he also -- he was really forceful in those remarks, the most sort of animated that he got throughout this news conference, and he said, when it was questioned whether or not this was a priority for him because he's putting so much emphasis, legislatively, at least, on passing, first, the covid relief bill and now his jobs package, he said, quote, i've never not prioritized this.

and then went through his background as a senator and various legislation that he worked on and also that he's put through some executive orders since taking office, but then, to your point, he also tried to kind of redefine a little bit how we think about mass shootings, saying that this is not something that just happens in various spots across the country that get a lot of attention. this is something that's happening in communities every single day. and he called, again, on the senate to act, although said he doesn't set that agenda. however, you know, he could put a lot of pressure on democrats. they have control there to take this up. and we haven't really seen that from the president. so, we're hearing him really emphasize that this is something that he has made a priority or at least wants to, but the reality is, when it comes to legislation, his emphasis really has been on other priorities up until this point. >> he weighed in, carol, on foreign policy as well, saying on iran's decision to enrich up

to 60% that it's contrary to the agreement, but tried to sort of strike a middle ground there, expressing his -- said emphasis pleased that they're engaged with our partners, emphasizing that we're still talking. >> yeah. and he said that, you know, there's -- it's too soon to tell how this is going to end and whether or not they'll be able to get to some sort of agreement to extend or reimagine the jcpoa. but that they're just not there yet. and it sounds like they still have a lot of talking to do. the two sides are obviously extremely far apart, and there are things that the biden administration is saying that it won't do, notably give sanctions or relief to iran on the front end, and the iranians are saying, that's what's going -- it's going to take to get them to come back to get into some sort of deal with the u.s. and meanwhile, they're off saying that they're going to be enriching uranium at 60%, which the president said is not

something that's acceptable to the u.s. so, he really didn't seem to want to prejudge anything at this stage and it sounds like based on what he's saying that things are very much still up in the air and in flux there. >> and the story bound to be on the front page of newspapers across japan, the prime minister there saying that the president had thrown his weight behind the olympics this summer. turning back to carol's other extraordinary reporting and bringing our friends into the conversation, as we mentioned at the top of the hour, today marks the 100 days since the insurrection at the u.s. capitol. joining carol and myself, frank figliuzzi, former fbi assistant director for counterintelligence and lucky for an msnbc national security analyst and we're very pleased to welcome to our conversation, denver riggleman of virginia. he's the subject of that "new york times" piece of reporting that we quoted from and someone i've wanted to talk to for a very long time. what are your thoughts today? i mean, you were a canary in the mine, warning about the price of disinformation, the danger of

disinformation. we read from the reaction you got to those warnings. i also read from carol's stunning new reporting about how far the disinformation has penetrated the elite forces of our military. where do we go from here? >> you know, that's -- i've been asked that again for hundred days on the anniversary, what scares me here in virginia, nicole, is that every single candidate here is running on some type of election integrity platform and some of the candidates specifically on stop the steal. and it's something that i have been screaming about, as you know, for almost a year now, about how conspiracy theories have sort of taken over. and there was a poll, i think, that i saw where it said about 50% still believe the election's been stolen. i actually think it's much higher. you know, i've had individuals here in my district who believe in stop the steal say they won't even answer questions like that because they think they're being tracked, that the media's trying to call them and say, hey, did you actually support this? are you qanon? they won't answer the questions.

i think the poll undersamples the number of people that believe in this and i'm not saying that anecdotally. i'm saying that with statistics and what scares me is committees around the country are doing this. they're pushing for stolen censorships and when you see marjorie taylor greene raising $2.3 million, the follow the money aspect of this is huge and again, how do we stop it? i want to use blunt force facts. i think we need some kind of center for disinformation defense but i wish i had the answer. i've been in intelligence for 20 years and it seems like facts just don't matter right now as this cult, this messianic belief system metastasizes among those in the republican base. >> well, it would be one thing if it was just, you know, the people who wear hats and wait for the balloon drop at the republican conventions every four years but as carol lee reports, congressman, it's at the highest levels and the most important sort of elements of our military. what do you do about extremism isn't the military? >> you have to be very vigilant and i was a veteran. obviously, you know, air force

intelligence, before that enlisted, i was a mustang and to say that problem's not in the military would simply be to be putting your head in the sand. and it's everywhere. and you know, i didn't even realize, and i tell you, i was a little bit naive. even with my background, the amount of people who automatically come to me in the street and say, denver, we liked you but you know the election was stolen. or individuals that are law enforcement or in the military that i know, and guys i know them, and they will call me and say, we love you, you're great, but you're full of crap. you know this thing was actually stolen. and i got to -- and you know, it's my own family too. so when you're fighting your family, your friends, i've probably lost significant amount of my friends. family members that are very close to me. and i say very close, i'm not going to say who they are but you can guess, as close as can be, when they say i'm a traitor, gone against the country, when the first conspiracy theories were that i was being funded by george soros to change the sexual orientation of children after i officiated that gay marriage. these conspiracy theories wrap

hate, bigotry, ridiculousness, and insanity all in one sort of lump. i would say lump ideology. and that's just scares the hell out of people. >> you know, i have some of these experiences too in my own family, and i wonder if you can just articulate how fact immune this sort of belief system is. because we watched this testimony from the chiefs of our intelligence services who say the greatest homeland security threat now as opposed to 20 years ago and the years after 9/11, is domestic violent extremism. it seems like the time for talking about a fact-immune conspiracy theory adherent group that's just off believing a lie is now moved into the need to address the threat that they may pose. >> well, the good against evil is exciting, nicole. i mean, why wouldn't you want to be engaged in fighting this deep

state cabal, this global cabal that's trying to take over our country. we talk about facts immune people, i'm a facts based brie yeah. we're radicals in the republican party if we say stop the steal was ridiculous. trump is the new establishment and i have been -- nicole, i have nothing left to give on the words. i don't know if i have the words effectively for everyone to say, this is nuts. and when you look at what's happening here in virginia, and you have every gubernatorial candidate on the republican side running on this, every single one of them, and you see -- you see record fund-raising totals across the country, people that know the gop is here to stay with this element. it's not going anywhere. i'm here. i'm seeing it. i'm in it. i get inundated with it. i still get facebook messages of people doing stop the steal videos and biblical prophecies that are saying, denver, you've got to help us because satan's taking over the world. that is a difficult thing to fight and i wish, nicole, i had the answer for you. i think we can drag these

disinformation peddlers into the sunlight, you know, identify who they are through sort of social network analysis. we can do that type of stuff. but at some point, at the grassroots, there has to be people that are brave enough to effectively say, listen, i love you guys, we're compassionate about this but i don't want to say something that's awful, but i want to say, listen, you have been absolutely grifted by people to the highest levels of government that have reached right into your pockets to take your money because they would rather win than give you the truth and run with integrity and if we don't have people who are willing to run with integrity ask willing to tell the truth, we're going to have a tough time in this two-party system. and i don't know if i can be any more blunt. >> yeah. carol lee, your reporting is perhaps the most disturbing thing on this front that i've seen in a while. take us through it. >> reporter: sure, well, nicole, we sifted through hundreds of posts in private facebook groups that are for solely for special forces, meaning those are who

the members are. it's current and a lot of former special forces, but they're vetted by the administrators and have to be recommended in some instance, and what we found were posts not only about january 6th and buying into the idea that this election was somehow stolen and there's a number of posts that say that, including that there were not trump supporters who stormed the capitol and that now that that happened, they would never get to the bottom of the, quote, obvious election fraud. there was one image of the -- you'll recall the law enforcement barricaded inside the house chamber with their guns drawn and the comment on that was, too bad they didn't bother to defend the constitution. so, a lot of things like that. there were racist posts directed at the secretary of defense for his efforts to try to root out extremism in the military, and then a lot of multiple posts about qanon supporting that the

idea that qanon is a real thing. at one point, somebody commented on some officials who worked for the former vice president, mike pence, saying, you know, that these people should be taken out in the back of the courthouse and shot because of what they're doing and that -- and there were images of a noose in terms of talking about black lives matter, so a lot of this stuff that's kind of this underbelly of this very elite group of military officials who, you know, are widely revered in america and some of the most lethally trained. now it's not a huge number, but even as the secretary of defense has said, just a few extremists in the military can be a real problem. >> frank, if you take traditional counterextremism strategies and lay them over the group carol just described, what does that even look like? >> this is a monumental task, because of the size and scope of the military, its mission and

then add to that the law enforcement community, which is a very similar, insular, closed culture that because of that, because of the notion of, hey, you don't understand what i do for a living, hey, i'm part of a team that no one will ever break into and i follow the chain of command, i don't question what my chief is telling me to do, they are particularly different to work counterextremism against. there's two great ironies. those who rely the most on accurate, timely intelligence, these special forces troops, have fallen for a lie. they've fallen for bad intel. they've been duped. and some of that, the second irony, is coming from the enemy. by that, i mean, literally, foreign intelligence services are part of this propaganda and falsehood machine and the folks who protect us against those enemies are falling for that. that propaganda. they've taken an oath to protect us against enemies, foreign and

domestic, and we've got domestic threats now, people who commit violence against our democracy, and they can't see that. why is that? they've been cultivated and manipulated by former president trump himself. you'll remember navy chief gallagher of the navy s.e.a.l.s special forces where he was accused by his own team of essentially war crimes and president trump did what? exonerate him. come to his defense. we saw, of course, hundreds of cops for trump rallies across the united states. this was not happenstance. this was a careful, cultivation of what trump calls the tough guys. you'll remember him publicly stating, i've got the tough guys with me. they were cultivated for their badge, their gun, their power. >> so, i mean, i'm familiar with sort of counterextremism measures for threats abroad and you go about and you try to win over the hearts and minds of he and she who are winnable.

i mean, how do you do that -- and i guess i'm asking for tactics here, frank, because the strategy is clear, but you know, as the congressman and i are talking about, as carol reports, i mean, these are people who are confident, it would appear, in what they think they know. but they've been served up disinformation that's been reinforced by their media echo chambers and their friends and family on facebook. how do you begin introducing the facts back into their information ecosystem? >> yeah, first, constant exposure to truth and sunshine, and that's hard to do when as carol has exposed, they're off in these rabbit holes behind the curtain of closed facebook groups and encrypted platforms that increasingly people are migrating to. so here's what has to happen in both the military and law enforcement. leadership has to just constantly reinforce, this is the fact. and this is falsehood. this will not be accepted. but this is what we will embrace. and the dynamic needs to change

from adherence to one person, namely former president trump, to a new kind of dynamic, which is adherence to patriotism and what you are doing, following these falsehoods, is unpatriotic and un-american. that will take months, if not years, to reinforce with vigilance throughout our military and law enforcement organizations. >> that's a really smart point, the disinformation is unpatriotic. this is to be continued with all three of you. thank you so much for spending some time with us today. carol lee, frank figliuzzi, and congressman riggleman, thank you so much for being part of this. when we return, actor martin sheen, who plays j. edgar hoover in the oscar nominated film "judas and the black messiah" will be here to talk about how today's fight against police brutality and systematic racism has many of its roots, including one unbelievable true story that you won't want to miss in the subject of his film. "deadline white house" continues after a quick break. don't go anywhere. ontinues after a quk icbreak.

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it's not a question of violence or non-violence. it is a question of resistance to facism or existence with facism. you could run a revolutionary but you can't run a revolution. you can run a freedom fighter, but you can't run a freedom. >> it's a small piece of what is a masterful performance, one of many in the new oscar nominated film "judas and the black messiah." it is a look at the chairman of the chicago black panther party. he was killed by police in a predawn raid in his home in december of 1969. police executing a search warrant initially said there was

a gun battle. after investigation the truth came out. only one of the dozens and dozens and dozens of shots was fired by a black panther and it was into the ceiling, a reflection after one of them had been shot. here's a clip from the beginning of the film. >> the black panthers are the single greatest threat to our national security. even more than the russians. our counter intelligence program must prevent the rise of a black mee sigh yeah from their midst, one with a potential to unite the communist, the anti-war and the new left movement. >> you don't fight racism with racism. we ain't gonna fight capitalism with capitalism. we're going to fight it with socialism. >> martin sheen, one of the stars in the oscar nominated film. thank you so much for being with

us. it is nice to see you. >> thank you, nicole. i'm elated to you. my entire family is big fans of yours. i've been asked to ask you a question. your decision to remain a republican is the biggest act of optimism in the human race. >> i have described myself as a non-practicing self-loathing republican. i'm part of this new block. i'm a biden republican. you remember there were reagan democrats? i'm a biden republican. trying to get something started there. there is so much about this moment that is an emotional tie to the film, and i started taking notes. i watched it last night, and there is a scene in the very, very beginning when the fbi is flipping the informant who is the central character here where he says why did you bring a badge to this robbery? and he says, why not a knife or

a gun like a normal thief? and he says a badge is scarier than a gun. and the fbi agent says, would you mind explaining that for me. he says on the street anyone can get a gun, sir. but a badge? it's like you got the whole damn army behind you. that for me is what pulled me into this movie as a piece of our history that so many people feel like they're still experiencing. >> very much so. and it's reflective of so much of what's going on today in our daily news. unfortunately not much has changed. the film is powerful because it is uncompromising, which is what the black panthers were themselves, they were uncompromising on all levels of the community. they served the community, and they informed the community and they took responsibility for their part in helping the community. and, so, hoover was equally uncompromising on his side. in fact, he considered all

protests an affront to him personally and even the non-violent protests. he considered them un-american, and he did not have much of a sense of humor, which, unfortunately, he took with him when he departed. >> so in the movie, it looks like the part where hoover becomes even more obsessed with the black panthers is when their coalition broadened. it's clear that's when they gained real political power in chicago and probably national when they were able to bring in the puerto ricans and white americans. that's when hoover seems to go nuts. can you talk about that part of the story? >> that was hoover's greatest fear, that someone would arise from the black panthers or from the black community who would unite the peaceful, non-violent

side of martin luther king and the activist side of malcolm x, and this was the focus of the fbi on fred hampton. he had both of those qualities in hand, and even though he was 21 years old when he was murdered, he was their greatest fear. i mean, as hoover said in the opening sequence, it was true. he was a greater threat to the united states than china or the soviet union. >> was it weird? just describe for us what it was like to play him. >> well, he was -- he was such a -- you know, i had a friend who was his boss, a dear friend, ramsey clark, who incidentally passed away just past friday, april 9th. not many people are aware of that yet. but i did a documentary called

"a life of principal" about ramsey clark, which is available on www. lifeofprincipal.com. he was hoover's boss. when nixon was elected, mitchell took over the justice department, and ramsey went about defending the people that he had prosecuted when he was attorney general. and one of the most famous trials with the trial of the harrisburg 7 in 1972 where they were charged with conspiracy to the federal government and hoover had compromised one of phil barigan's cell mates, the long and the short was the trial ended in a hung jury in april 1972. and ramsey clark subpoenaed hoover to appear in a post-trial

hearing to dismiss charges against him on may the 2nd, 1972. but god intervened with his own subpoena that morning and herbert was found dead in his sleep. after that all ended -- yeah. are we getting close to the end. >> no. go ahead. go ahead. finish. >> this was the non-violent so-called left, all those great activists in the '60s against the war. and when they were informed of hoover's passing, dan was asked did he have any comment. and he said, i pray god we'll grant mr. hoover the mercy that mr. hoover withheld from so many. >> it's such an important piece of history, such an important film. your performance