welcome back, everybody, i'm yasmin vossoughian. america has witnessed 30 days of carnage from the atlanta shooting in march to this week's mass murder in indianapolis. the numbers of what happened in the month between are simply staggering.

we're going to look at why this country appears to be helpless in the face of this level of violence and hear more from the victim's family in the latest mass shooting. >> how can a 19-year-old kid have access to the gun and we are most strong country in this world? we call united states of america, and we call ourselves that we're the most safest country, but we're not. i have two guests coming up to talk about what's not getting done in congress and what could be done outside of washington, d.c. we're also keeping an eye on what's shaping up as another night of protests against police in two cities where tensions are running very high after two more young black men died at the end of an officer's gun. but we do want to begin with a fire storm on capitol hill that has one of the hill's most controversial members firing back. congresswoman marjorie taylor greene lashing out after media reports on her plans for an america first congressional caucus. just a couple of hours ago, the republican from georgia released a statement saying this.

and i quote, sick and evil p.o.s. in the media attacked me with phrases i never said or wrote. they released a staff level draft proposal from an outside group that i had not read. this all started when a platform for this proposed caucus was published by punchbowl. lawmakers on both sides of the aisle immediately condemned the policies that call for such things as the preservation of america's anglo-saxon traditions. i want to go right to our panel on this. republican strategist susan dell percent yo, cabinet secretary during the obama administration, chris, and ann. ann, i want to start with you and i want to highlight some of the criticism that this caucus has gotten pretty swiftly so far, especially from the republican party. kevin mccarthy, america is built on the idea that we are all created equal and success is earned through honest hard work. it isn't built on identity, race, or religion. adam kinzinger, i believe anyone

that joins this caucus should have their committees stripped. and the republican conference should expel them from conference participation. while we can't prevent someone from calling themselves republican, we can loudly say they don't belong to us. and then ted lieu said, as an immigrant, i served on active duty in the u.s. military to defend your right to say stupid stuff. what makes america great is we look at your character so take your nativist crap and shove it. can more be done at this point, ann, and do you expect more to be done, aside from the swift criticism we've heard so far? >> well, yes, and i think when kevin mccarthy calls this a nativist dog whistle, he's getting right at the heart of the problem that the republican party has. i mean, there's a -- whether this caucus ever really comes into being, and now we have marjorie taylor greene today denouncing it, you know, there is clearly still a renegade

faction within the republican caucus writ large that kevin mccarthy and liz cheney and lots of other people who would like a, you know, a successful midterm election are having a great deal of time -- or having a great deal of difficulty controlling, and it's taking a great deal of their time and energy. i do think, though, that when marjorie taylor greene issued this statement today that -- condemning the -- a leak and sort of distancing herself from the idea of this caucus, you know, i was struck. you get these statements in your inbox that look like they were written by a pr firm and sent before a focus group and so forth. this was not that statement. this sounded like it came right from her. >> no. yeah, yeah, certainly was not sent through any channels aside from literally coming right from her fingers into her computer out to the world. that is for sure.

susan delpercio, take a closer look at the topics that were covered in this document. requiring voter i.d., i guess they gained some success in that in the state of georgia and gaining some ground in texas and arizona. federalism, exposing deep state actors, stripping federal powers. when it comes to immigration, and this is astounding, promote uniquely anglo-saxon traditions, honor americans who immigrated pre-1965. i looked up the word, anglo-saxon because i wanted to refresh my memory to make sure. encyclopedia britannica, the definition of anglo-saxon. term used historically to describe any of the germanic peoples who from the 5th century ce to the time of the norman conquest inhabited and ruled territories that are today part of england and wales.

some of the things outlined in this document, susan, are astounding. >> i'll go one step further, yasmin. they're racist. this sounds like a purity test for a caucus. that is inexcusable. i would just like to add one other thing that came back earlier this week and it was the announcement of the american first policy institute. now, that sounds kind of familiar, and guess what? it's supported by a lot of former trump cabinet members and supporters. and a lot of things in this document from marjorie taylor greene shows up in a gentler form in this policy institute, which you might as well call the trump policy institute because that's really what it is. marjorie taylor greene is a danger to our nation when it comes to just about everything that we stand for. anybody who stands with her is standing against america. they are not putting america

first. and she really -- i mean, she doesn't even have a committee assignment. they already stripped her of those things, and at this -- so this is what she's been doing with her free time. anyone that stands with her must be stripped of their committee assignments as well. >> so, chris, i'm trying to drill down on this. what do you -- what do you think is the motive here for a caucus like this? the establishment of a caucus like this. >> well, i'm not sure what the motive is but i will say this, which is while she's attacking the media today, what's striking is that some of the strongest condemnation is coming from her own house republican colleagues, but she does say one very true thing in her statement today, where she says that millions of americans back her. you know, i was stunned to see that in the last quarter of fund-raising, she raised $3.2 million from 100,000 donors. this is a member of congress without a committee assignment. she raised more money than either kevin mccarthy or steven

scalise, the leading house republicans so as offensive as what she's doing is, it's very clear that -- that people are buying what she's selling and i do think it calls -- forces all of us to think more about why so many people are hung up on this idea of anglo-saxon traditions, whatever that means, without recognizing the important contributions of women and people of color and other disadvantaged communities to our country's great history. >> yeah, i mean, it goes a step further, anne, which is in a way, celebrating the january 6th insurrectionists, right? celebrating what the january 6th insurrectionists stood for. so i'll pose to you the same question that i just posed earlier, which is, what do you think is the motive here in establishing this caucus? >> well, i mean, again, i can't speak for, certainly, for the membership or potential membership of this caucus, but

marjorie taylor greene and the other founders -- i mean, marjorie taylor greene and matt gaetz, like, what could go wrong, right? they -- they need to do something that distinguishes themselves at this point from trump while also rolling behind trump to a considerable degree. and so, there's an architecture and a structure here contained in this document that, while a lot of it sounds pretty loony and, you know, as i said before, i think, you know, kevin mccarthy nailed it in calling it what it is, you know, at least it's some kind of a -- gives them some kind of guide posts going forward for the kinds of legislation that adherents to this philosophy might want to back, and it, you know, it also clearly is also going to be a fund-raising document, and a fund-raising structure. she's already, as chris said, been quite successful in that vein, and certainly intends to try to continue that, and they

need some kind of vehicle, some kind of structure for that going forward. i suspect that's largely what's going on here. >> so, susan, anne says also to separate herself from trump, right, to a certain extent, but if you look at the statement that i read a little bit earlier from marjorie taylor greene that we received, it is straight out of a trump playbook. every other word is attacking the media. >> it is, and if you read that document, they're talking about now, it says they want to follow in president trump's footsteps. they want to be a caucus of trump. that's what they're setting them up -- themselves up for, and anne makes a very good point. this is going to be a very important fund-raising document for them. it's also the only place where trump is put out so prominently. i mean, if you look at the problems at the rnc, he's not even on their website. so i think that this is an -- this is meant to appeal to donald trump and appeal to his donors. >> susan del percio, chris lu,

anne, thank you all. since eight people were killed in atlanta, there have been 50 in 31 days with no sign that we as a country have the will to do anything about it. nevada representative dina titus will join me next to talk about why advancing common sense gun laws in congress is so difficult, even though it is overwhelmingly supported by americans. we'll be right back. mingly supp americans. we'll be right back. forget what your smoking-hot moms and teachers say, just remember my motto. if you ain't first... you're last! woo-hoo! ♪ limu emu & doug ♪ liberty mutual customizes your car insurance

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welcome back, everybody. this is what president biden had to say after this week's deadly shooting in indianapolis and if it sounds familiar, it should. >> this has to end. it's a national embarrassment. it is a national embarrassment, what's going on, and it's not only these mass shootings that are occurring. every single day, every single day, there's a mass shooting in this -- in the united states if you count all those who were killed -- >> just how bad is this national embarrassment? you've seen our recent coverage of several mass shootings this that's month, colorado, indiana, chicago, texas, six or more people dead in each of these incidence but in the single months since the atlanta spa shootings, they were 53 mass shootings across the country where four or more people were shot. 79 died and 215 more were hurt. that is according to an nbc news

analysis of numbers from the gun violence archive. but that's not the entire picture. if we look at shootings as a whole, there were more than 3,400 just in the past month. 3,400. killing 1,488 people. beyond those numbers is knowing who those people are. 363 of them were kids. 106 of them have died. one of the youngest victims is ziana, a 7-year-old, who was shot while playing outside in charlotte, north carolina, two weeks ago. fortunately, this brave little girl survived, and now, she's speaking out against gun violence. >> i think they should stop doing this because kids are going to get hurt somehow. they need to stop doing this. like how they hurt me. they need to stop doing this and hurting other kids and people.

>> so, despite those numbers, it is always groundhog day in congress when it comes to guns. democrats demand action. republicans block anything from happening. joining me now is democratic congresswoman dina titus from nevada. she recently filed legislation that would ban high-capacity magazines. congresswoman, thanks for joining us. really appreciate it. hearing that little girl's voice after being shot and recovering, it is just heartbreaking that that is her reality and the reality of so many americans across this country, all of us. all of our realities. why can't things get done? >> that's so true. sometimes the smallest voices can make the loudest noise, so i'm glad she's speaking up. you know, i've talked to families like that. i had the october 1 shooting in my district at the country music concert, 60 people killed, hundreds wounded, and you talk to families and you know, they appreciate prayers and thoughts, but what they really want is

action, and yet, since then, some two and a half, three and a half years ago, nothing's happened. >> let me show you what our current president was doing eight years ago to the day. let's play it. >> a few months ago, in response to too many tragedies, including the shootings of a united states congresswoman, gabby gifford, who's here today and the murder of 20 innocent school children and their teachers, this country took up the cause of protecting more of our people from gun violence. a few minutes ago, a minority in the united states senate decided it wasn't worth it. they blocked common sense gun reforms even while these families looked on from the senate gallery. >> it's a cycle. he was standing there behind the president at the time,

disappointed that they would not pass legislation for background checks after so many shootings, shootings of young children in connecticut. and again, i ask you, why things cannot get done in washington? when it comes to gun reform, when it comes to gun legislation, when it comes to gun control. >> well, remember, the democrats in the house have passed two bills already, and we've introduced others. one was to have background checks, which is supported by some 90% of the public, even if the republicans in office are not supporting it. i can't explain their reasons. maybe they're worried about being primaried. but we've passed those out of the house. we've introduced bump stocks, high-capacity magazines, assault weapon bans. we are working. i'm in my office here on the weekend ready to do something, and they just block it every single time. i don't know if they're not

hearing the voices of people in their district who suffer from these traumas and lose loved ones. it boggles the mind, and it's something we could do because it's shown that background checks do save lives. >> it's interesting, right, because oftentimes we point to the nra as to the influence they have over the republican party. we know the legislation that you just talked about that passed the house is not going to get anywhere in the senate. i mean, we full well know that. we know bump stocks were used in the shooting that you just mentioned in your state, in nevada, in vegas. we talked a heck of a lot about bump stocks at the time. nothing was done. here's what they're saying about the nra from the "daily beast." the nra is now hardly the empty shell of its former self. they have lost massive amounts of money amid internal corruption scandals and a barrage of lawsuits that have shaken the faith of even its most devout members. in january, the embattled organization filed for

bankruptcy. so, if it's not the nra anymore, if we can't point to the nra as a lobby for the republican party, then what is it? >> well, you were just talking in the previous section about some of the members of congress who are extremists. i guess they're worried about the -- being primaried and it's in the culture in their districts. but i'm not this pessimistic as you are. you've seen recently senator murphy talking about maybe bringing on about ten members of the senate, and we've got a president now who led the fight against assault weapons who has already signed several executive agreements, putting in place provisions against ghost guns and also setting up some standard legislation for states to enact for those extreme risk situations. >> how confident, congresswoman, before i let you go, are you in getting your high capacity magazine ban passed?

>> well, we are going to work very hard. it's like i said, we get letters from people. we hear stories. you saw those folks staying in the hotel just wanting to know what happened to their loved ones. public sentiment is on our side, and so we won't stop until we get this done, and we'll move it out of the house and then put pressure on the senate and hopefully we'll find some allies there. >> congresswoman dina titus of nevada, thank you for joining me on this saturday. i appreciate it. it is clear congress is not the answer when it comes to guns, so how about the state and local level? one recent mass shooting in boulder, colorado, left ten people dead after the gunman used a ar-15 style weapon. just ten days before this tragedy, the measure was blocked in court by an nra-backed lawsuit. as the "l.a. times" reports, while there are signs that the influence of nra, which has filed for bankruptcy, is

declining nationally, pro-gun rights forces remain strong. i want to bring in the president of the brady campaign, a nonprofit that advocates for gun control. chris, thanks for joining us on this. let's talk about the nra because i did mention that, yeah, absolutely. i mentioned that to the congresswoman a little bit earlier. it seems like on a national level, the nra doesn't have the influence that they once had, but on the local level, do they still have pull? >> they have some pull. i do want to just commend representative titus as a great champion. i met with her in her office after vegas, after the horrific shooting there. and the string that we have had since then, 140 mass shootings just this year. it means we must act to change the current situation we find ourselves in, which is we have a public health epidemic. the nra, as you note, is in bankruptcy. it was morally bankrupt before this. but there are a lot of state groups that have cropped up that

are fueled by the nra, and even in bankruptcy, they still provide talking points. they still provide some support for what they do, and what they're trying to do is reframe our current understanding of the second amendment from one in which we can have reasonable gun laws and ensure responsible gun ownership to guns in everybody's hands everywhere all the time. and that's really the bottom line problem that we have, yasmin, across this country. the nra is trying to push a radical agenda. a lot of what we saw on 1/6, let's be clear, these were militia kinds of groups with nra flags committing insurrection at our capitol. the stakes are hugely high, and that's why it's so important not only at the state level but i agree with congresswoman titus, we certainly aren't giving up in pushing this senate and ensuring

this president that we elected, joe biden, really take action legislatively to fix loopholes in the background check system. 94% of americans want a stronger background check system. so, we're not giving up at federal changes, and we've done a lot in the states over the last several years to advance our cause. >> so, you talk about having met with congresswoman titus, and we know that she supports your cause. do you ever have the opportunity to meet with, especially republican members of congress who have been outspoken in their support for the nra or have an a-rating, shall we say, when it comes to the nra? and if so, what do they say to you? >> we do that, actually. and so, obviously, i'm the head of our brady united against gun violence, our c 3 and c4. we have a sister organization, brady pac, and we sit down and

have made a real effort to ensure that we're consistent with our roots. of course, we were founded by jim brady, shot in the line of duty serving president ronald reagan. jim and sara were republicans, gun owners their whole lives. when the brady law passed, yasmin, we had unanimous consent in the senate. every member of congress, republican and democrat, supported that law, so we still have hope. when we sit down and meet with members today, some of them will quietly tell us, we're with you. we're still concerned about the ramifications for us financially, which i think we have been able to dispel, meaning, they get nra money and they're afraid of that going away. they're also afraid of some of the local groups that they consider fairly radical. some of these folks, when they don't do the right thing, meaning, oppose every common sense measure, have told us,

quietly, we get threatened, and we fear for our lives. these are the kinds of stakes that we're under. but let me just tell you, as a mom, i feel the same way when i send my kids to school today. we elect folks to take hard choices and to represent american people, and it's not partisan. in the end, 94% of americans want these changes, so we're not letting up, and we are not giving up, and this year, the time is now for this change. our movement has never been stronger, and we will continue to push. >> yeah, public support certainly when it comes to polling is on your side, 89% of americans support background checks. 74%, red flag laws. 52%, a nationwide ban on the sale of assault weapons. kris brown, thank you. great to talk to you this afternoon. we are possibly just days away from a verdict in the murder trial of derek chauvin. rallies today for george floyd

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welcome back, everybody. we're following some breaking news. the family of the shooter identified from the fedex plant in indianapolis thursday night has just released a statement after the attack that killed eight people. the gunman then killed himself. the family of brandon says, we are devastated at the loss of life caused as a result of brandon's actions through the love of his family, we tried to get him the help that he needed. our sincerest and most heartfelt apologies go out to the victims of this senseless tragedy. we're also following breaking news from denver. aerial video a short time ago of dozens of people protesting on the steps of the state capitol. it is a solidarity gathering after the deadly police shooting of daunte wright in brooklyn center, minnesota.

it's just one of a lot of protests being seen across this country over the past week. and then to minnesota, the town of brooklyn center preparing for yet another night of protests over the shooting death of daunte wright. nbc's cal perry is in brooklyn center for us. good to see you once again. take us through what you're hearing on the ground about the next round of protests we expect to be happening later today. what are folks saying? >> reporter: yeah, people are angry. they're angry about what happened last night. there's some folks screaming right now at the police behind me. you can see those very large barricades. they've been adding layers of security around what is a very small police station behind me, basically trying to, quote, unquote, defend that position, but police have been coming out of that compound at about 10:00 at night. we saw this last night, moving very quickly and very hard into the street, and basically detaining everybody and then trying to sort out who are the journalists and who are the protesters. there's a lot of, quote, unquote, independent media here. that is adding to the confusion about who is who. it's very dark here at night and again, police are saying they were worried about weapons in the crowd and that the fence had

been breached. from our vantage point, it didn't look like the crowd was out of control and, again, 100 arrests is the highest number that we have seen. all of this is happening all across the city of minneapolis with the trial going on, the jury is going to get that tomorrow. the security is very tight and unfortunately, it's not making people feel here safe at all. take a listen to what one resident said yesterday. >> i don't feel safe. i don't. i don't. i really don't. i'm being honest with you. if that can happen, that could happen to me. that could happen to my son. my kids know i don't feel safe. i'm just being honest. i don't feel safe because they're over there. if they were doing the right thing, we wouldn't be here. you wouldn't be here. nobody would be here. >> reporter: you know, this street that i am on that i have been reporting from, from the past week every night, turns into a rock-throwing, bottle-throwing, tear gas return flash bang grenade scene and you

have families that live on this street. you saw that woman with her young child. it is a concern for the people who live here and it should be a concern for the officials as well, yasmin. >> all right, cal perry for us. thank you, cal. good to see you once again this afternoon and stay safe, my friend. all right, i want to bring in my panel now. cedric alexander, former president of the national organization of black law enforcement executives and former member of president obama's task force on 21st century policing. also janelle ross, senior correspondent for "time" and an msnbc contributor. welcome to you both. cedric, i want to read for folks from your op-ed in the "washington post." it was so, so good, and i think it's important for people to hear. the walls we built obscure our vision of what is at the root of the protest. when police officers take on the roles of judge, jury, and executioner, especially where people of color are involved, the healing response is indeed the just and democratic response is not. for americans to build walls, to

thwart protesters, but to stand up in the open and address the systemic racism and implicit bias that infects law enforcement and other aspects of our society. can you expand on this for us, cedric? >> yeah, absolutely, i can. we're currently in a place, a space in this country right at this very moment where people don't feel safe. they feel that they can't trust the police. they're afraid to call the police in communities of color. they feel that something horrible is going to happen to them. we've seen too many incidents that have been too frequent, too close apart that why would people not feel or believe otherwise and this has certainly been historic, but it certainly has even been more apparent here in recent days and weeks and months. so, if you think about, at this very moment, minneapolis, where they're building fences, where they're building walls, where

they're building where people can't get in or people can't get out, that is really a slap in the face to our democracy. do we understand why it's done? yes, we do. but there's a deeper, growing issue that has to go beyond just what we're physically putting up. we have to deal with the social issues in this country that have put us in this place where we have to put up fences and barbed wire and build brick walls to keep people away from courthouses, from office buildings. we're in a real horrible place, in my opinion, at this very moment in this country, and we're going to have to find and it's going to take all of us to find a way out of this and american policing in this country, and particularly or more specifically, is really challenged at this moment in terms of people trusting and in terms of its own legitimacy. >> cedric, i was speaking to lieutenant orange earlier on in

my 3:00 p.m. hour, and i asked her and talked to her about accountability because that is her thing, rights, accountability, that these police unions, these departments, they need to understand, recognize, acknowledge that systemic racism actually exists within their ranks. why are they so scared to do so, to stand up and say, that was wrong? >> well, i don't think it's so much that they're afraid to do so. here again, yasmin, you've got to go back through the history of policing in this country. this is the construct in which it was built on, and we have to acknowledge also what it was built on. was it built on a racist system? as many other institutions in this country. it doesn't mean that we're a horrible nation. it just means we can be a better nation and we're working toward that every day. but when you have organizations, whether they're police unions or whatever, who appears to be pulling in the other direction, you also have to be mindful of

the fact that there are chiefs in cities and elected officials across the country who truly are trying to do something different, but our unions and other police organizations, many of them do get on board, but there are many that's got to get on board and help us with this, because if we can't bring those communities and police together, where people feel that when police come in their community, they feel safe and not frightened, then it makes it very dangerous for police, and it makes it very dangerous for people who live in those communities. and no one wins in that regard. >> no one wins. no one wins. janelle, who's to blame for the lack of progress? when you take a look at some of the numbers since chauvin trial began, "the new york times" is reporting more than three people a day have died at the hands of law enforcement and you combine that with a harvard study that found black americans are three times as likely as white

americans to be fatally shot by a police officer. where does the blame lie or lack of progress? >> well, i'm not sure that i would quite frame it that way, but realistically, people are not shooting themselves, so it's not possible to place the blame on the people who are being shot. i think, as was just being discussed, there are some structures in the world of policing that make reforms in many cities difficult to darn near impossible. the content of many police union contracts make reforms almost impossible. they make it almost impossible to get rid of officers who have a record of problematic arrests or shootings or uses of force. and then once one officer has gotten away with that, it creates a precedent so ifs more difficult to get rid of problem officers going forward. you also, to be frank, have a

political power structure that seems in almost every city in america that seems somewhat ambivalent to whether or not it is possible to maintain public safety without a type of policing that turns out to be frequently brutal and deadly for black americans. the question of whether or not that is a price that people are willing to pay is one that they have to answer individually, but what we can see from the numbers that you just mentioned and certainly from the shape of police forces and police unions across the country is apparently not. i would just say that in brooklyn center, it's a great example of how complicated the situation is. they have a young african-american immigrant mayor who certainly, in press conferences, has expressed grave concern about the things that are going on there. but they also have a police force that does not have a single member that lives in brooklyn center. there are certainly arguments to be made about whether or not

that matters, but you cannot argue that it does not matter at all. that no one on that police force chooses to live in the town that they police. and where they have extreme power. and i just don't know that it's reasonable to ask if it's somehow someone else's fault. the people who have the power to reform police unions and police officers themselves have to look at themselves and ask themselves if this is sufficient. >> and yasmin, can i add one thing? >> i wish we could continue this conversation. yes, please. go ahead. >> you know, one thing i want to mention, all the blame just really don't go on the unions either. union goes into a negotiation with city leaders, and what they negotiate is what they end up with. unions are there to protect their constituents. that's what they do, whether we like it or not, that's what they do. but we also got to hold accountable our elected officials who negotiate whether

up and down, because the unions don't get there by themselves. that has to be negotiated with city and county and state officials as well. so, that's just something i think we need to keep in mind. the blame goes in a lot of places, not just with unions itself. >> i just want to identify the fact that janell ross wrote a piece in "time" about the legacy of george floyd. cedric alexander, janell ross, thank you both. up next, in the run, everybody, a look at an nbc news special report focusing on how members of congress and staffers are handling the trauma spawned by the january 6th riot at the capitol. stay with us. by the january 6th riot at the capitol. stay with us with 20 grams of protein for muscle health. versus 16 grams in ensure high protein. boost® high protein also has key nutrients for immune support. boost® high protein.

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more from an extraordinary nbc news special. today marks 101 days from the riot on capitol hill but the trauma continues every single day. nbc news congressional producer frank thorpe spoke to some of those, including staff members from members of congress. >> what sticks with me the most is a combination of fear and anger. the anger arises from the audacity, the unmitigated gall these people had to lay siege to the seat of our democracy and put us in this precarious position. i saw them in statuary hall, walking through this hallowed place of democracy, and just seeing these sycophants here, armed and dangerous, and i think that that moment truly, for lack of a better term, brought it home. it just -- it just terrified me. >> i thought this place was so much safer than it was.

i don't know that i'll ever be able to walk through those halls and just be, like, oh, you know, whatever. you're very conscious. i'm latina and i grew up seeing venezuela's government just fall apart, and then to see that here, horrible. i mean, just -- that's how fragile our democracy is. and so, i hope that through these pieces that just kind of humanize what happened, it gives people perspective as to how important it is to be mindful of the leaders you elect. >> you can see "after the riot" in its entirety on nbcnews.com. and despite widespread triumphs of the vaccine, many across this country are still hesitant to get it. >> i don't know. i think i'm afraid. i don't know if i'm going to get it. >> i'm still not sure about that, you know? it's still -- it could still

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as health care workers face a tough hurdle, the city of roanoke is holding its vaccine drive this weekend as concerns

are growing over the harder-to-reach regions surrounding it after a study found that compared to the 15% national average, 27% of the surrounding appalachia region is extremely unlikely to get the covid shot. we're outside the vaccine site for us in roanoke. good to see you. a major issue playing into these high levels of hesitancy is a tendency to trust health care providers over health care influencers. what else have those on the ground been telling you? >> reporter: yasmin, hello. we're outside a huge arena in roanoke, virginia, where they held their last weekend mass vaccine clinic today. it was just wrapping up right before i started speaking with you. you're right. when we talk about these health care influencers, it's kind of a funny term, you think tiktok stars, instagram profiles. but in reality, what health care

workers and what these researchers are finding is that among this issue of vaccine hesitancy, health care influencers really primarily across age and gender and even political affiliation, yasmin, people overwhelming trust their primary care provider, even for those 27% of people who say they're very unlikely to take the vaccine and that appalachia region. they will want to get it from their own doctor. so what people here on the ground are seeing and hearing and studying trying to get this information in order to vaccinate as many people as possible is trying to figure out the root causes and root concerns to try and get these shots in arms as we try to reach herd immunity across entire communities. i spoke with a man earlier today who did get the vaccine. he said his wife was the one who ultimately convince him to get i am the -- get it.

he didn't feel he had enough information and he wanted to have a conversation with his primary doctor. >> i think if the doctors were more involved, yeah, because they have the medical expertise. you tend to follow suit with someone who has expertise. but the difficulty of this is the medical personnel are, you know, who's out there like dr. fauci and these other ones, they're the main street immediately. it would be easy if i had a chance to talk with my primary care physician. he or she may have been able to put me at ease. >> dr. fauci who's obviously working with these organizations and medical professionals a lot, in that study you were mentioning, he was seen as a polarizing figure for some of these folks. like i said, they're really looking to try and figure out how to get the primary care

providers as the number one person kind of in communication with folks who are hesitant to get this vaccine. yasmin? >> in roanoke, virginia, thank you. coming up, we'll look more into vaccine hesitancy, specifically among southern republican men and stopping them from protecting themselves. to break it down, i'll be joined by the former editor of "the new york times." i'm yasmin vossoughian. i'll be back tomorrow at 3:00 p.m. eastern. at the top of the hour, the reverend al sharpton is joined by chicago mayor lori lightfoot following the release of body cam video of an officer fatally shooting 13-year-old adam toledo. "politicsnation" begins next. spraying flonase daily stops your body from overreacting to allergens all season long. psst! psst! all good

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good evening and welcome to "politicsnation." tonight's lead, a national embarrassment. right now there's no place deep enough for americans to bury their heads in because the nation is drowning in images of black and brown death from disproportionate police violence. and tonight, protesters are in their seventh continuous night over the police shooting death of daunte wright