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walking away from congresswoman marjorie taylor greene. and a u.s. senate confronted on air today after his suggestion that president biden isn't really running the country. plus, some good news appears to show an economy ready to take off a year after the pandemic started, but is there room for everybody? we'll get into that. more ahead. but first, we do want to begin with what's become a virtual stampede away from the idea of forming an america first caucus led by some of capitol hill's most extreme figures and with the goal of honoring anglo-saxon traditions. john boehner summed up the reaction clearly. watch this. >> i can tell you that this so-called america first caucus is one of the nuttiest things i've ever seen. listen, america is a land of immigration. we've been the world's giant melting pot for 250 years.
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it's the silliest i've ever seen, and republicans need to denounce it. >> nothing to lose this, boehner, in speaking his mind. let's bring in ali vitali who's on the hill with us. great to see you. so there's a question now after 72 hours of backlash, who is in and who is out of this hypothetical, shall we call it, caucus? what's happening here? >> reporter: yeah, it's a fair question, yasmin, because this story has moved really fast in the 72 hours since that first draft organizing document was first leaked and reported on. and now sitting here on sunday, it's unclear that this caucus is even going to go forward because as we've heard condemnations from democrats and republicans alike, some of the key figures here who would have been involved in this right-wing movement to form this caucus are now seeming to back away. chief among them congresswoman marjorie taylor greene saying through a spokesperson that doubling down that this was a draft proposal and she hadn't
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seen it. but her spokesperson goes on to say that just because this was an early planning proposal and that nothing was agreed to or approved, it doesn't mean, he says, that anything was scrapped. instead he says that greene plans on driving the america first agenda with her congressional colleagues and isn't going to let the media dictate her plans. that leaves things pretty vague and it does stand in stark contrast to a statement that he gave just a few days ago on friday where he said that while this organizing document was not the final or public approved draft, he did say that the caucus' proposal of values and statements was going to be coming very soon. now it doesn't seem like that's going to be the timeline at all, if ever. and while greene herself is backing away from it, so is right-wing congressman paul gosar, another republican, this one from arizona, saying he's not going to be involved in this. that he did not in fact author that draft document and that he's going to continue pushing
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for the america first agenda from the house freedom caucus, which does already exist. >> seems like marjorie taylor greene's office has got to get their message straight. while i have you, ali, i want to touch on senator john cornyn who is in the spotlight this afternoon i could say for a tweet that he sent out criticizing the president and then was confronted on air this morning about it. what's the latest with that? >> reporter: yeah, you can keep those tweets up right there, yasmin. these were tweets sent over the week where he talks about a politico story that delved into the biden white house's media strategy of less being more. you can see in those tweets he notes that biden's tweets are few and when they do come they are conventional. he also says that biden has opted for fewer sitdowns with mainstream reporters and media outlets. that's all true, but the commentary that he adds at the end here where he asks if biden
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is really in charge, he was pressed on that today on one of the sunday shows. listen. >> do you have questions as to whether joe biden is really in charge and whether, frankly, he's up to the job? >> that tweet was not meant to suggest anything about the president's competency or physical or mental. i know some people have suggested that, it certainly wasn't my intention. it's simply to try to reconcile the rhetoric with the reality. we need the reality to match the rhetoric and it's not matching. >> reporter: so you can see there he's trying to back away from any idea that he was stoking conspiracy theories or anything about biden not being in charge. but i will say just on the point of the media strategy from the white house here as someone who covered the biden campaign both during the transition and back when he was a candidate, it's really not surprising to see the way that they have acted now as an acting white house. he comes out and biden gives speeches on big moments like
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vaccinations or pulling troops out of afghanistan, but at the same time he is not consistently stoking the news cycle tweeting. and of course there's going to feel like that's a jarring change, especially given the president we had before this where almost every tweet and every interview was jaw dropping. at the same time, though, this was the biden pitch during the campaign that americans voted for, a return to normal. normal is conventional tweets or not very many tweets at all. >> certainly is a jarring change compared to the last four years. ali vitali, capitol hill, thank you, great to see you. let's goat city of minneapolis they are on edge right now. by this time tomorrow the jury could be deliberating in the trial of derek chauvin. i want to bring in meagan fitzgerald who's in minneapolis for us covering all of this. good to see you. where are we on this case as it is nearing the end, closing arguments beginning tomorrow
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morning, and how is the city bracing for the verdict? >> yasmin, i can tell you tension is certainly rising here in the city. windows are boarded up all throughout town. thousands of national guards members have been called in and are visible omgt on the streets because the jury will get this case tomorrow and start deliberations. frustration spilling out into the streets. demonstrators protesting two more police-involved shootings. anger and unrest as the murder trial against ex-officer derek chauvin nears a close. >> your honor, the state of minnesota rests. >> reporter: the three-week-long trial coming to an end monday with closing arguments. >> the state needs to put it altogether this show that it was chauvin's actions that were the substantial cause of death. >> reporter: the case rested after calling an expert witness.
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>> in your opinion was this a use of deadly force? >> it was not. >> reporter: and a former medical examiner testifying that george floyd didn't die from the 9:29 that chauvin's knee was on his neck. >> how did the heart and drugs contributing to the cause of death. >> they were significant. they contributed to mr. floyd having a sudden cardiac arrest. >> reporter: the prosecution pushing back. >> do you feel that mr. floyd should have been given immediate emergency attention to try to avoid the cardiac arrest. >> as a physician i would agree. >> reporter: and chauvin confirming he won't testify. >> i will invoke my fifth amendment privilege today. >> reporter: his fate will be in the hands of a sequestered jury as deliberations get under way. and they have to stay together until they come back with a verdict or say they're hopelessly deadlocked. it can get extremely tense in
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the jury room especially with sequestration. so i think it does make a difference in terms of the timing in which we can expect a verdict. >> reporter: a verdict an already anxious nation will be watching. now cities across the country are preparing for widespread protests. in fact in new york city, officers there were told they can't take the day off starting tomorrow as we await this verdict, yasmin. >> meagan fitzgerald for us in minneapolis. thank you. and by the way, coming up in our next hour, we've got a power panel of analysts joining me live to preview what we could expect in closing arguments, plus possible verdicts. and of course the potential aftermath. you don't want to miss that conversation. also breaking news out of the city of chicago where more demonstrations are under way over the police shooting of adam toledo. right now people are gathering in douglas park for a peaceful vigil. it is one of many being held across the city. that is where we find maura
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barrett. good to see you. we have now gotten confirmation from the cook county state attorney's office that a prosecutor involved in the toledo case has been put on administrative leave. what do we know about that, and of course the investigation into the 13-year-old's shooting? >> reporter: good afternoon. at this vigil here in douglas park, i'll get to that in a minute. but in terms of the situation with the state prosecutor, this was something that had occurred before the body cam video was released this week. basically at a bond hearing for the 21-year-old that had been adam toledo at the time of the shooting. the prosecutor had said that adam had a gun in his hand at the time that he was shot and killed. obviously since then the body cam video has come out and we saw that is not the case. initially the spokesperson at the cook county attorney's office said the prosecutor had misspoke. now they said that he had failed to fully inform himself before speaking about the situation and there was a lot of confusion
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about that as we obviously then saw the video where that wasn't the case. he's been placed on administrative duty. there's an internal investigation on that front. on the other hand there's two investigations, independent ones, towards the officer involved in the shooting of adam toledo. i want to hear a little more about those two independent investigations from mayor lori lightfoot. she was on our air with al sharpton just yesterday. >> there's an independent investigation that started the minute that those shots or fired. we have to respect that independent civilian investigation. in addition to that, the state's attorney, our district attorney is also investigating this case. it's important that we provide space for those two simultaneous independent investigations to happen. the officers involved are as a matter of course put on desk duty. they are not on the street. we've got to let these investigations play themselves out. they need to be thorough, they
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need to be complete, but they also need to be expeditious. >> reporter: now, this was in response to a question about why the officers are still on the force and haven't been dismissed yet. mayor lightfoot saying these investigations need to take their time. we don't have a set timeline on how long those will take. in the meantime a lot of sadness, frustration and tension in the community. we're just north of where adam toledo was shot. there will be a vigil starting in the next half hour and then we'll be moving on back down to little village where there is expected to be a peaceful march for the teenager. his parents pushing for respect, nonviolence and peace as they push for overall reform. we'll bring that live this afternoon and this evening on msnbc. yasmin. >> all right, maura barrett, thank you. i want to turn to the battle against coronavirus. the johnson & johnson vaccine will likely remain paused for at least another week. doctors and health officials examining the link between the vaccine and life-threatening
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blood clots. but dr. anthony fauci, the nation's top infectious disease expert, remains confident that the vaccine will in fact return to use in some form, as he puts it. >> my estimate is that we will continue to use it in some form. i doubt very seriously if they just cancel it. i don't think that's going to happen. i do think that there will likely be some sort of warning or restriction or risk assessment. i don't think it's just going to go back and say, okay, everything is fine, go right back. i think it will likely say okay, we're going to use it but be careful under these certain circumstances. >> a cdc vaccine advisory panel will meet this friday to discuss the j&j pause. dr. fauci said he expects a decision over whether to end the pause boy that date. still ahead, refugee walkback. the biden administration under fire over its back and forth on
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americans, 63%, support term or age limits for supreme court justices, while only 22% were opposed. but only 38% of americans support expanding the court by four justices. 42% are opposed, and 20% were unsure. so the biden administration is spending the weekend on damage control, after the president was criticized for his announcement that he would keep president trump's cap on refugees at 15,000 this year, the lowest it's been in history. here's biden walking that back this weekend. >> the problem was that the refugee part was working on the crisis that ended up going on the border with young people. >> all right. so while he didn't reveal many details there, administration officials attempted to explain it this morning.
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>> the president wanted to go with this in two steps. the first step was to change the allocation so that people in africa could literally get on planes this week. and the second would be to raise the cap as we were fixing the system and its processing. he took the first step this past week. he will take the second step in the weeks ahead. >> so this is coming after democrats slammed biden. congressman ilhan omar said this, as a refugee i know finding a home is a matter of life or death. it is shameful that the president is reneging on a key promise. so the key question remains, how many refugees will biden allow this year if in fact he increases the cap? the international rescue committee says biden is on track to accept the fewest refugees this year of any modern president, including trump. i want to take a look at that in this data from the migration policy institute. way back in 1980 the cap for resettlements was 230,000 plus.
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then as you see it gets lower and lower to trump's cap for his final year at 18,000. biden's current cap for 2021, 15,000. in february biden said he would increase it to 62,500 which would be the lowest cap for any president except trump. biden has said next year the cap would increase to 125,000. so what will the number actually be? where will he land? >> it's going to be very hard to meet the 62,000 this fiscal year. we're going to revisit it -- >> 125,000 next year, is that your goal? >> look, the president has been clear about where he wants to go, but we have to be focused on what we're able to do when we're able to do it. >> i want to bring in the vice president at the international rescue committee. great to see you once again. an incredibly important topic to talk about so let's get to it. i first want to address where
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refugees were at during the trump era, pre-pandemic. october 1st, 2019, trump lowered the cap to 18,000 refugees from 30,000. how did the trump policy affect refugees trying to come to this country? >> yasmin, thank you so much for having me and thanks so much for your focus on this issue. the trump administration's attacks on the refugee admissions program had an extraordinary impact on individual refugees' lives and their safety and it had an extraordinary impact on global cooperation for refugees. you know, the trump administration led a global race to the bottom where ultimately over the course of the trump administration global resettlement slots not only to the united states but to other wealthy nations dropped by over 50%. as your data shows, the trump administration was really -- took a very anomalous approach to refugee admissions. this is a program with a 40-year
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bipartisan history. refugee admissions set under ronald reagan were 140,000. admissions under president obama were set at 110,000. it's the trump administration that departed from this bipartisan average, lowering refugee admissions by 85% compared to its 40-year bipartisan average. >> so what was your initial reaction when you heard that the biden administration would not be raising the cap from 15,000? >> well, refugee advocates and organizations like the irc were very surprised to see that decision, and the refugee populations that we work with were concerned and confused. this is -- the biden administration made an inspiring and early commitment to rebuild the refugee admissions program consistent with its bipartisan history. president biden made this
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commitment part of his first foreign policy speech to the nation. following that speech, the president signed executive orders strengthening the refugee admissions program, committing to actions that would improve its efficiency and effectiveness. the administration then sent an emergency report to congress justifying their intention to raise the refugee admissions level on an emergency basis in the middle of this fiscal year from the historically low 15,000 set by the trump administration to 62,500. so we anticipated and prepared for an immediate increase in the refugee admissions cap and we were surprised to see the administration's decision to leave the trump era cap in place on friday. >> so if biden does commit to raising this cap come may, does this country even have the infrastructure to support the resettlement of these refugees
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after having had the trump administration in place over the last four years? >> it's going to take time to rebuild the whole of the u.s. government's immigration system after the persistent attacks in four years of the trump administration. at the same time, the refugee admissions program is low-hanging fruit. it's a unique public/private partnership between the u.s. government and community and faith-based organizations across the country. there are over 300 community and faith-based organizations across 49 states that support the arrival and successful integration of refugees as part of the u.s. refugee admissions programs. you have state and local elected leaders of both parties who have been calling on the administration to admit more refugees. so definitely the capacity is there and we're eager to partner with the biden administration to
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welcome back, everybody. we got some breaking news from austin, texas. a manhunt is currently under way for a shooter who's killed three people. it happened a short time ago in an apartment complex in the northwest part of the city. the scene was first reported as an active shooter situation, but police now say it appears to be isolated with no further danger to the public. we'll continue to follow this and bring you information as we get it. we also are getting new
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details in the shooting that left eight people dead and the shooter at a fedex facility in indianapolis. police saying last year the shooter legally purchased the two assault rifles used in the attack despite red flag laws designed to prevent just that. nbc's kathy park is in indianapolis with the very latest on this investigation. >> reporter: yasmin, there are still so many questions today, especially after the suspect was able to obtain two assault rifles legally that were linked to thursday's shooting. in fact his own mother flagged authorities last march and that set off a chain of events. he was investigated by the fbi. they found no sort of criminal violation and his shotgun was also seized and not returned. here in indiana, there is a red flag law that is in effect. essentially it allows the courts and law enforcement agencies to seize handguns from anyone who shows warning signs for
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violence. it's unclear at this time if the suspect stood before a judge specifically for that ruling. meanwhile here in the community they are grieving. as we continue to move forward and as this community processes everything that took place just a couple of days ag we had a chance to talk to first responders who rushed to the scene thursday night to save lives. take a listen. >> i think as a group we pulled in a little tighter, got closer, talk to each other a little bit more. firehouse life is a little different. we rely on each other and we can rely on each other. so we talk it out -- if we have a problem, we talk it out with each other. it's a brotherhood and sisterhood. >> it is like a family. >> reporter: vigils were held yesterday and they will continue today. the eight victims range in age from 19 to 74. four of the victims were members of the local sikh community. since this is such a heavy and dark time counseling services
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are being provided by fedex and the sikh community for those affected by this tragedy. >> kathy park for us, thank you, kathy. even as the nation accelerates vaccinations, some states like mississippi are struggling to get shots in arms. at one point mississippi was ahead of the curve, the second state to open vaccination eligibility to all adults 16 and over. now they actually have one of the lowest coronavirus vaccination rates among adults in this country. nbc's gary grumbach is in jackson, mississippi, for us. gary, great to see you. i was actually in mississippi earlier this week reporting on vaccine hesitancy, especially in the delta area, but what are you finding about kind of this change that i explained as i was coming to you? >> yeah, i think the change is not much and i think that is part of the problem. i know you were down here earlier this week and you talked about those issues facing people here in mississippi but it's not just starting with this
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pandemic. these issues were here well before that. we're talking about rural access. sometimes people just live far away from things, sichl lysimpl. it takes 20 to 30 minutes to get to the nearest pharmacy or church or school to be able to get your vaccine. it's also an issue of politics as much as everything is about politics these days. right now there's a poll out this week that 45% of conservatives aren't going to get the coronavirus vaccine according to quinnipiac. that's a problem here in mississippi where it's a very deeply red state. it just goes to the general trust of vaccine hesitancy as you were mentioning. people do not trust the vaccine, some people, that was created in less than a year. that is a problem when you're trying to get the entire state to a herd immunity level. i spoke to some people heading into church this morning about the people in their lives who may be vaccine hesitant. >> it's a personal choice, it's a personal choice. >> for the most part, no. it's -- i think they're being affected by a lot of political
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rhetoric and all these conspiracy theories. >> i think they're probably listening to the wrong voices. i think it's important to do your own research and to make your own decision, but to look at the facts. >> my message is shame on you. you need to save your life and save the life of your community. >> reporter: now, to be clear, those people i talked to all said they were vaccinated, that's why they were going into church in the first place in person. but they all said they all knew people in their lives that were vaccine hesitant. yasmin. >> all right, gary grumbach for us in mississippi. coming up in our 4:00 p.m. hour we'll take a deep dive into vaccine hesitancy and one of the groups leading the way on that, republican men. we're also taking a look at jobless numbers. they're dropping. some good news, retail sales are surging and the dow is on its fourth straight week of gains as signs point to an economic recovery. some employers are faced with a
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new problem, though, finding people to fill the job demand. nbc news's ben popkin has more on this. >> reporter: so with over 9 million unemployed, why aren't people taking these jobs? well, experts say it's probably a combination of a few factors. workers are still afraid of the virus and variants. right now only about a quarter of the u.s. is fully vaccinated. and many of the jobs hire rg in frontline roles. truckers, nurses, warehouse workers, sales associates, jobs that can't be done from home. nearly half of job seekers say they want a remote job, even after the pandemic, according to a ziprecruiter survey. but those who value that most are underrepresented in some of the industries more likely to allow remote work, like finance and technology. while some of these jobs with openings can pay up to $45 an
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hour, others pay as little as $12. that might not be enough to coax workers back into the fray, especially if they can't arrange or afford child care. >> i want to bring in cnbc senior analyst ron insana. this time last year we were not having this conversation but good news to be having it now and good to talk to you about it. so we have these new great jobless claims, right? now down to 576,000 just last week, the lowest since this pandemic began. that is some fantastic news, but there is this quandary that employers are not able to fill some of their positions as was just mentioned in the piece i just played. can we count on kind of that fear dissipating, or is that going to hunter our economic growth going forward? >> well, there is fear among employers that it will hinder employment going forward because of not only the fear factor but
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also you still have 2 million women in the united states who left the workforce primarily because their children were in the situation where hybrid learning became the norm during the pandemic. and so if you are in a two-income house or a single mom, you were forced to make a choice about whether to stay home with your kids and help supervise their education or go into the office. so the fear of the vaccine, also the fear of catching the illness, all of those issues previously discussed remain on the table. there is a risk that the economy may grow so quickly over the next several quarters that it will be hard to fill those jobs until we find some sort of eequilibrium for people to get back to customer-facing positions. >> we are on track to have a 68% economic growth over the next year which is some incredible numbers, to say the least. let's talk about some of those small businesses that had to shut down over the last year. estimated 200,000 u.s. businesses had to completely
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shut down. i mean what about them? they closed their doors. they were not able to survive. >> yeah, that's a really big question. i believe the number overall is closer to 400,000 with 20 or fewer employees. so this is something that's been bothering me and on my mind quite some time. they not only lost their wages, they've lost their family wealth. they haven't been necessarily able to hold their doors open with the hopes of passing the business on to their children or at some juncture selling it and monetizing, if you will, their lifetime investment. so that's going to be a drag on economic growth going forward. it will make it harder for those people to find employment unless they can find inexpensive capital, whether from the government or elsewhere, to rebuild their businesses. but there's also a chance that somebody else steps into that void and takes the space they used to occupy. so this will b an uneven economic recovery even as we grow the fastest since about 1983. >> the question is are people confident enough to be doling
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out capital right about now, investors. do they feel good about doling out capital not necessarily knowing where we're going. do you think they have that confidence? >> i think investors by and large, when you talk about them as a group, yes. we see that reflected in the stock market that you just described where for four straight weeks the dow has been up. we closed at record highs for the dow and s&p 500 on friday. the markets got nothing really in the way of going forward because we have the federal reserve holding interest rates at zero. we have $1.9 trillion relief plan that passed but maybe as much as $2.3 trillion more coming infrastructure spending. so there are a lot of tailwinds behind these markets. the key question here is really one that involves small businesses and customer-facing employees who are going to have maybe a tougher time adjusting than those in much bigger businesses that are firing on all cylinders right now. >> ron insana, it seems like
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>> -- this round. let me set the table by saying i think it's clear that he murdered george floyd, i think there's no doubt about that. what i'm reminded just looking at the data in so many cases that we've seen is how the presence of just like one juror who is some right-wing ideologue who no matter what information they're presented with will never second guess or vote to hold an officer accountable for murder. >> you are absolutely right. it takes one juror or whatever to make this thing go the wrong way and i'm especially worried that what's going to happen in the aftermath, if this man is not convicted. >> certainly not alone with that worry. let's bring in the host of podcast civil activist and founder of campaign zero, deray mckesson. thanks for joining us ahead of a huge day in the chauvin trial. i was shocked as i was listening to your podcast and you are
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fairly convinced that chauvin is going to get convicted. why? >> part of me feels like the police sort of understand that they need some sort of sacrificial lamb in this moment in an attempt to take the heat off of them. i feel like that's what this feels like. with the police chief testifying against chauvin and all of the evidence being so clear. obviously we know that he's wrong but it feels like the police are trying to do anything to get the heat off of them. the defense just needs one out of 12. they don't need me or you, just one person on that jury. the numbers are not in our favor. that the highest number of convictions ever in a given year. police kill 1100 people a year on average. the highest number of convictions ever is 11. so the numbers aren't in our favor. but this one, there's something about this one that feels like even the police are like please convict him because they want the heat to be off of policing. >> you know, i think the worry
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that was mentioned in that sound i just played from your podcast is a worry so many folks are having right now, just thinking about the verdict and what it will be. what's going to happen if he's not convicted. how worried are you about this, and what do you expect to happen? >> you know, i'm not worried in the sense that this feels like deja vu. the police have already killed 270 people in 2021 and this is one of the only cases that people know is the new killing of daunte in brooklyn center. in 2020 the police killed more people in 2020 than every year except for 2018. if he's not convicted, it will increase the pressure on legislators, elected officials, to do something transformational right now to reduce the scope and power of the police today. >> it doesn't necessarily seem like things are going to happen on a federal level at this point
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but you actually mentioned this podcast and it was such a good explainer on it about what's happened recently in maryland, something that you worked specifically on with state legislatures to change a lot of the police, to make police reforms to that state. can you explain to us some of the changes that took place and why you think this could actually be a turning point or an indication of a turning point? >> i think the people argue -- remember all police departments are mostly all local an state. border patrol, about 20,000 people, i.c.e. is big, atf but most of policing is local. the federal government could tomorrow, biden doesn't need congress or a task force to tighten up those policies. they could do that just by the sheer power of the president and they have not done that, so that should be the pressure on biden. but the local agencies, maryland really is a leader in this. there are 21 states that have
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had a police officer bill of rights. maryland was the first state to have an officer bill of rights and maryland just repealed it. there's a whole new way to discipline officers that are citizen led and community led in maryland, and maryland is the most regressive appeal or ban on no-knock raids in the united states. they did it. they did not bow to the pressure of the police unions. the speaker of the house, adrian jones and the president of the senate, bill ferguson, led and they were really strong in this moment. more legislatures need to do that. new jersey is the leader in use of force. the new jersey changes to the use of force policy is the model and standard across the country. >> deray mckesson, your podcast is so good, i listen to it all the time. keep doing what you do. thank you so much. pod save the people wherever you get your podcasts, you can kind it. take a listen. new episodes drop every single tuesday. and we're doing this every single week so let me know what podcast you love to listen to and we will feature them. coming up, everybody, the
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news that jailed putin critic alexei navalny could die within days has launched protests planned across russia. i want to bring in sara harman who's in london for us following this story. give us an update on navalny's condition from what you know. >> reporter: hey, yasmin. his supporters are calling this a slow-motion assassination attempt. the situation, as you say, is incredibly serious. his doctors say he could die at any moment. his potassium levels are dangerously high. they say that could lead to kidney failure or to a heart attack. his daughter, dasha, is a student at stanford university. she's on twitter pleading for her father to receive the medical care that he needs. yasmin, remember, this is a man who survived poisoning with a chemical agent novacek.
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he was in a coma last year. he's now in a hunger strike. there will be consequences if navalny dies in prison. >> we have communicated to the russian government that what happens to mr. navalny in their custody is their responsibility and they will be held accountable by the international community. in terms of the specific measures that we would undertake, we are looking at a variety of different costs that we would impose. i'm not going to telegraph that publicly, but we have communicated that there will be consequences if mr. navalny dies. >> reporter: now, it's worth pointing out that he was poisoned with novacek last year. he's now being held on charges considered to be trumped up by many people so it's unclear what those consequences will be that the national security advisor
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mentioned and whether that's a deterrent to vladimir putin, alexei navalny is his most outspoken critic. he has thousands and thousands of supporters in russia and they are planning a massive, massive protest on wednesday. they are saying it could be the biggest in modern russian history. the question tonight is whether navalny will be alive to see it on wednesday. back to you. >> nbc's sarah harman for us. thank you, sarah, good to see you. coming up in our next hour, everybody, we're going to continue this conversation with an amazing panel of legal experts and law enforcement. plus america first. fallout from gop leaders scrambling to distance themselves from documents outlining a far right caucus. what this latest controversy says about the future of the republican party. we'll be right back. an party we'll be right back.
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welcome back to hour two, everybody, i'm yasmin vossoughian. we are covering several major stories in the hour ahead. we are 18 hours away from closing arguments in the chauvin trial and then a jury will decide if what he did to george floyd makes him guilty of murder. i've got a panel of guests ready to go as we look at the final case each side will make to those 12 jurors. plus controversial republican congresswoman marjorie taylor greene appearing to be standing virtually alone
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now on her idea for an america first caucus, the details of which were met with attacks from the left and the right. >> the members who start this america caucus first caucus, it's the silliest thing i've ever seen and republicans need to denounce it. later this hour we'll look at the group that appears to pose the biggest roadblock to herd immunity, republican men. what their hesitancy to vaccine means for this country. we do want to begin with the trial of derek chauvin and a city on edge as closing arguments are set to begin tomorrow morning. lawyers will be presenting their final arguments as to what actually transpired in minneapolis on may 25th, 2020, the day that george floyd died. they will have to decide if derek chauvin is guilty of any of the charges laid out against him. the defense

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